Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[staypositivefriend]

my revised reads atm are probs something like

alison neon mac santy sean as villa

rondo wisp betsy as villa leans

ill probs have to go over tilgs wolf game at some point to see if my townlean there was justified but ngl their read on me felt pretty thoughtful and i cant recall if they matched anything like that last game

/vote ender

what changed ur mind about ender? iirc i thought u had him as a mild townlean last time u mentioned him

His pop in felt wolfy, mostly his vote on santy pinged me. Ender I feel is pretty thorough and has a solid process as a villager, I rate his villa game highly partly due to these things. He tends to work his way up to scumreads more slowly however the vote on santy felt pretty abrupt and oppurtunistic. I think others have also gotten more towny so that mild tr I had on him earlier doesn’t hold up as much anymore. I also think he could be your partner because of how weirded out you got when I outed that mild tr on him when again you know as villa I tend to throw out a bunch of random reads early, sometimes for weak reasons

lol i think it's funny that youre still fixated on me being weirded out by you townreading ender. the reason why i didnt engage with ur suspicion about that earlier is because i already explained that it was not about the individual reads themselves but about the amount of reads that i perceived as potentially ~pockety~ in quick succession (ie: you townreading me then ender then saying u dont sr aro anymore, etc) that made me think ur mindset was more focused on getting on good terms with ppl than pursuing suspicions like you usually do

but it seems like you either didnt read it or dont believe it so i dunno if it's worth discussing further. beyond that, i agree with you that his pop-in was wolfy and i also think the way that he backed off his townread on you once you accused him of townreading you too easily was possibly wolf-indicative too

LOL yeah i am very fixated on that still. the ironic thing is if we are v/v then we have truly fallen into our old time song and dance for d1. 1.we find each other quickly. 2. you get paranoid of me finding you 3. i get paranoid of you being paranoid of me and find something that bugs me about it and park on you for d1

it's tradition at this point tbh, it would be wrong if we broke the cycle. im pretty sure that ur town now but i imagine it will proly take u another dayphase or two to get there on me

[RondoDimBuckle]

Lol. Cry more. What are we 12 year olds.

You seem awfully angry that I gave a town read to someone and backed up after being asked about it.

I mean people town read bad play, it's not all that uncommon. You backed it up with they are vibing, hoe hard is it to note vibe as a wolf, unlike you I don't have the meta, but I also don't think they are a wolf, so I really don't care honestly

I want rondo dead

It's not bad play to chill in thread vibe and fuck around in a game. People take this game way to seriously. Porscha can win games but like I am just telling you your sus on her right now is predicated on a read that is bad from my pov.

I'm giving you meta which you don't have. Porscha can be wolf but this isn't why and is more likely town indicative in my world view.

ya except I'm not sussing her, and fine

True your sussing Rondo. Another person who does weird things as town lol.

Lmao, this is exactly what I mean
You defend bad play

I've watched Rondo single handedly solve a game that town was going to lose

So. No.

I've also watched Rondo post only in Hot Fuzz gifs.

Is someone who can single handedly solve a game that town is going to lose a bad player because they do weird things?

I am still low key mad I got night killed while posting only gifs

[VOTE: ilario ] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

I also slightly agree with ur tinfoil on Mac, and I would prefer more votes on Rondo

There are no votes on them, and they aren't townie, just not wolfy, and I would be against people voting them. This isn't about them, cry more

Lol. Cry more. What are we 12 year olds.

You seem awfully angry that I gave a town read to someone and backed up after being asked about it.

I mean people town read bad play, it's not all that uncommon. You backed it up with they are vibing, hoe hard is it to note vibe as a wolf, unlike you I don't have the meta, but I also don't think they are a wolf, so I really don't care honestly

I want rondo dead

You seem to really want Rondo dead. How confident are you Rondo's scum and why are you so confident?

Why dont you want me dead?

[Lilypetal]

hm hm hm i kinda TR spf but im too scared to say it because then i'll be wrong

[RondoDimBuckle]

Also this is my 4444th post.

Because of that I will not be posting again... ever.

Good luck everyone.

This lasted 5 minutes.

Also, hello Seanzie! How have you been?

Good to see you!

I've been good! How are you?

I am good too. Our last two games together I've asked you about Dizzy (your read on him). I guess we have to talk about other reads this time.

I mean, we can talk about Dizzy. Pretty sure they're lock!scum though.

What are your reads on each other?

[Lilypetal]

i am going to vig rondo tonight btw

[staypositivefriend]

hm hm hm i kinda TR spf but im too scared to say it because then i'll be wrong

i am mafia

[Lilypetal]

hm hm hm i kinda TR spf but im too scared to say it because then i'll be wrong

i am mafia

and so it begins anew

[Millium]

tbf I like the fact that SPF called out Belzy's progression on me, even if I'm a bit conf biased on the matter
and they kinda poof out of existence since last night

and Ender was definitely more thoughtful in their progression in baby mafia than what I see here

arogame123
Belzy
Cham
dyachei
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
santygrass
Seanzie
Tilgarial

Cham and day both feel up in the air at this point
Porscha has also done nothing, but I feel inclined to ask what should I expect from them lol
I think Neon's interactions with were good, and they really popped off with their last burst of posting (still kinda shrugging at the fact they twisted my words into wanting to kill a townie though, and from my POV Porshca still doesn't deserve a town lean.

arogame123
Belzy
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
santygrass
Seanzie
Tilgarial

while I can see the argument that Santy feels to confident, this to me still feels more like their finals than semi's

arogame123
Belzy
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
Seanzie
Tilgarial

this is the PoE I really want to shift through, and try to downsize it

[Millium]

someone remind me who dizzy is again, I feel like this was a question I asked in another time line

[RondoDimBuckle]

i am going to vig rondo tonight btw

ty

[RondoDimBuckle]

I domt understand how people are so sure that Mac is town at this point tbh. Like, Im not sussing there and I think that if they are town thy will indeed obvtown later or be killed, but to say it with the post they had until that point... Idk.

Not saying names cuz I only remember spf putting them as strongest town and Im townreading spf, but I saw more people confident in Mac being town and Im just shaking my head smh

What are your thoughts on ilario?

[RondoDimBuckle]

think mac is town. his attitude feels more free flowing than his recent wolf games

What do you think of Neon?

[VOTE: Santy ] aubergine

[Porscha]

@santygrass why you voting arogame?

You said you ISO'd me right? Then you should know lol.

I wasnt vibing with their takes at all (Mostly pinged by the wisp super early townread that seemed scummy to me) . The Lilypetal vote screams scum too. Like, I explained those things too.
Most of their long posts I skimmed tho, felt like overexplaining stuff and Im not going to put that much effort into reading stuff (? .

But yeah , the fact that aro was almost top poster, interacts with people and stuff, and their vote was only a sheep onto a 3 poster in which he didnt try to interact at all is super wolfy imo

isn't this like pretty level 1 to assume of aro though

Why? Its based on my experience with how V!aro plays. And this doesnt add up

idk aro is a really hard read for me and that's also because I think he's a good wolf
I'm not particularly inclined to believe wolf aro would get caught on something that simple...
he's been interactive with a lot of other slots and lily wasn't around for a good while so it's not like he could discuss with her anyway

did I agree that the vote was good or useful as a means to apply pressure to lily? no, she's gonna come back to thread eventually regardless
do I think it's AI for aro? also no

[Porscha]

a hot take that i have is that i actually lightly scumread Belzy. i think that he sounds okay on a tonal level but the actual content of his posts is generally disjointed and the way that he handled his suspicion of the wisp slot in particular didnt really feel like it came from the perspective of someone who cared about wisp's alignment

thank you for saying it b/c I was afraid I was the idiot in the room

[RondoDimBuckle]

also wolfy pop in from seanzie

i think this is the first game i've seen where seanzie has not overwhelmed me with his towniness

This is our third game together I think, both other games you were a wolf?

I might me misrecalling, but is this a real thought? It doesn't feel real.

I think we've played 4 because in at least 1 i was a villager

you'r erather subdued this game so far

why no vote?

[VOTE: LEnder ] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

i think this is the first game i've seen where seanzie has not overwhelmed me with his towniness

This is our third game together I think, both other games you were a wolf?

I might me misrecalling, but is this a real thought? It doesn't feel real.

I think we've played 4 because in at least 1 i was a villager

you'r erather subdued this game so far

I have about twice as many townreads right now as I usually do all game, so I feel quite supdued, thank you very much.

Who dont you town read? AKA, Scum reads

Spoiler: show

2x0=0

[RondoDimBuckle]

And I want you to actually take a look at Rondo and stop besting around the bush, since 4 confident town leans and a lazy vote on Mac isn't really doing it for me

then vote me if you want.

Hahahahahah

[VOTE: Porscha ] aubergine

@arogame123
Can you post a wolf game for me? I don't necessarily agree with their read based on the reaction test, but personally I'm not a fan of the Lily vote. And if u can play like this regardless of your alignment it becomes a bit harder for me to sit on looking somewhat decent right now

What's ur opinion of rondo, and yes I'm probably gunna keep asking people this question.

Also demanding a game link when they wont even provide me a game link :think:

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

i do kinda read that ate as towny

Lily how do you still have 5 posts this late in the game? Are you cosplaying John Cena?

I was busy almost the entire day so that's not very conductive to posting in mafia.

How dare!!

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

like you are still meme voting lol, and its apparently so common that people can be like, "ya Rondo is just weird", so where exactly do I draw the line
this even goes back to Neon and their read on porsche lmao, its pretty mind blowing

Am I supposed to assume you just dont take games seriously at any point?
if you are town I dont believe it

Thats the secret cap, every stage is random vote stage

Its true, I never take any game serious ever

This is why you and me are gonna get along so well lol

[Porscha]

k i read thread here are my very expensive thoughts

hello lily sweet princess how has your day been

mac town likelay

uuuuuuuh yeah sean is doing like the opposite of his towntell atm so that's pain

nobody else important enough for first post not sorry

wow

die mad

HAHAHA Legit laughed out loud so hard my house mate came to check if I was ok

aight it was funny but it wasn't that funny jesus christ lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

@EnderWiggin there are girls here, come pick me up

[MacDougall]

so lily is town. her explanations and play atm is just very inno.

so tilg/spf/aro always contains mafia.

i reject this difference check and if one of aro/tilg is mafia then i dont really think this reason is why

do you think lily is town?

i think her posting right now is fine but havent seen enough to decide if she's town yet

do you think arogame's reason for voting lily was reasonable?

arogame's reasoning was basically just: "i agree with SPF", and tilg's reasoning was more or less exactly the same

i dont think that both of them are mafia (most likely), so choosing to vote for lily based on my push on her is not inherently unreasonable, if that makes sense. i think the reason why the chances of there being a wolf in aro/tilg increase if lily is town is because i think lily was an easy target for a wolf trying to get integrated into the game to park their vote on, but i dont think the reasoning itself is much of a problem

my reasoning is no different if not even less contextual so I don't know why you felt the need to dramatically reject it

[RondoDimBuckle]

My rondo townread is heavily based on personal meta.

Rondo considers me a rubiks cube in a mafia game when he's town. He considers me a chew toy when he's mafia. If he's treat me like a rubik's cube he's town, if he's treating me like a chew toy he is mafia.

This meta read has now expired because I've had to explain it lol.

Hahahahah that Meta Expired as soon as I snowed you in HR

Ender has worded it best. I dont adjust my play I nuke it and build it up again from the ground up.

So if I think someone has a read on me I dont just try to figure out what it is to use it on them I just change everything and make the read null and void.

So yeah, I get where you are coming from but also, no just for the interest of openness

[VOTE: SPF ] aubergine

[staypositivefriend]

so lily is town. her explanations and play atm is just very inno.

so tilg/spf/aro always contains mafia.

i reject this difference check and if one of aro/tilg is mafia then i dont really think this reason is why

do you think lily is town?

i think her posting right now is fine but havent seen enough to decide if she's town yet

do you think arogame's reason for voting lily was reasonable?

arogame's reasoning was basically just: "i agree with SPF", and tilg's reasoning was more or less exactly the same

i dont think that both of them are mafia (most likely), so choosing to vote for lily based on my push on her is not inherently unreasonable, if that makes sense. i think the reason why the chances of there being a wolf in aro/tilg increase if lily is town is because i think lily was an easy target for a wolf trying to get integrated into the game to park their vote on, but i dont think the reasoning itself is much of a problem

my reasoning is no different if not even less contextual so I don't know why you felt the need to dramatically reject it

i rejected the existence of the dichotomy (or trichotomy) but not the read itself

[Porscha]

lily locktown never rescind btw

[RondoDimBuckle]

Also, to expand on why I feel better about Wisp being town.

Something I noticed in both Wisp's mafia games in both semis and finals is that Wisp demonstrates a high amount of pride about his mafia games and tends to dismiss certain "town points" that get thrown his way. For example, in this game, I discussed about some Wisp meta and "how he is more narrow focused" and here, Wisp seemed to just say that his "mafia game isn't good" which is way different than his approach in his mafia games. In his mafia games, Wisp would respond in a way where he'd be upset about how people would talk about his mafia game and would mention how "I can do this as either alignment" or "I didn't play all these games as mafia to have my wolf game get stepped on." So Wisp's reaction to some of my meta reads/pings on him seem unlike how he was across his mafia games. Where here, he is more down playing his game and jokingly going along with it. He also does not seem to dismiss certain aspects of what could be considered from his mafia play here that he did when he was mafia.

I know it may seem like a bunch of word salad, but basically, my read on Wisp is he is likely town because he is not demonstrating a "pride in his mafia game" in his responses to posts when discussed about his mafia meta.

You're right, its mostly word salad. But I understand that you are saying you have meta on Milium? Are they always so... <gestures around at everything>

[VOTE: Tilgarial ] aubergine

[Lilypetal]

lily locktown never rescind btw

why

owo

[Millium]

what in the world is Rondo

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

hello i didn't read anything

Hello. Play overwatch with me UwU

yes ma'am

Fuck yeah! Really any time as long as it's not when I'm working which is graves lol.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

why do i have three votes? are yall that lazy to find a wolf in the people who have played?

@staypositivefriend @arogame123 @Tilgarial

Well at least one of these is a woofer

[Porscha]

lily locktown never rescind btw

why

owo

I held off evaluating you until you came back but your responses were A1 I simply do not think you can fake it the same way as wolf, you're extremely comfortable

not like i've been wrong yet anyway lmfao

[Lilypetal]

hello i didn't read anything

Hello. Play overwatch with me UwU

yes ma'am

Fuck yeah! Really any time as long as it's not when I'm working which is graves lol.

u know where to find me >w<

[Porscha]

lily locktown never rescind btw

why

owo

I held off evaluating you until you came back but your responses were A1 I simply do not think you can fake it the same way as wolf, you're extremely comfortable

not like i've been wrong yet anyway lmfao

[Lilypetal]

lily locktown never rescind btw

why

owo

I held off evaluating you until you came back but your responses were A1 I simply do not think you can fake it the same way as wolf, you're extremely comfortable

not like i've been wrong yet anyway lmfao

yeah id be pretty darn awkward wolfing in a player list like this lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

what in the world is Rondo

Ill do you one better, how is Rondo?

[MacDougall]

i reject this difference check and if one of aro/tilg is mafia then i dont really think this reason is why

do you think lily is town?

i think her posting right now is fine but havent seen enough to decide if she's town yet

do you think arogame's reason for voting lily was reasonable?

arogame's reasoning was basically just: "i agree with SPF", and tilg's reasoning was more or less exactly the same

i dont think that both of them are mafia (most likely), so choosing to vote for lily based on my push on her is not inherently unreasonable, if that makes sense. i think the reason why the chances of there being a wolf in aro/tilg increase if lily is town is because i think lily was an easy target for a wolf trying to get integrated into the game to park their vote on, but i dont think the reasoning itself is much of a problem

my reasoning is no different if not even less contextual so I don't know why you felt the need to dramatically reject it

i rejected the existence of the dichotomy (or trichotomy) but not the read itself

very disappointing decision making if you are town

[RondoDimBuckle]

k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

so why aren't you obvtowning this game?

Why arent you?

[VOTE: Chamomile ] aubergine

[ilario]

what kind of 3ps does dizzy tend to make? are they usually townsided roles? neutral? killing? rondo is probs a 3p

[Lilypetal]

what kind of 3ps does dizzy tend to make? are they usually townsided roles? neutral? killing? rondo is probs a 3p

why would rondo be a 3p? personality does not equal 3p behavior imo

[staypositivefriend]

do you think lily is town?

i think her posting right now is fine but havent seen enough to decide if she's town yet

do you think arogame's reason for voting lily was reasonable?

arogame's reasoning was basically just: "i agree with SPF", and tilg's reasoning was more or less exactly the same

i dont think that both of them are mafia (most likely), so choosing to vote for lily based on my push on her is not inherently unreasonable, if that makes sense. i think the reason why the chances of there being a wolf in aro/tilg increase if lily is town is because i think lily was an easy target for a wolf trying to get integrated into the game to park their vote on, but i dont think the reasoning itself is much of a problem

my reasoning is no different if not even less contextual so I don't know why you felt the need to dramatically reject it

i rejected the existence of the dichotomy (or trichotomy) but not the read itself

very disappointing decision making if you are town

i agree that being reluctant to accept that i am a "straight up difference check" with a player who i barely have a read on roughly halfway through d1 is a bad way to play mafia and not just common sense

[ilario]

they dont seem wolfy but they also dont seem like they care about winning for town

[RondoDimBuckle]

what kind of 3ps does dizzy tend to make? are they usually townsided roles? neutral? killing? rondo is probs a 3p

why would rondo be a 3p? personality does not equal 3p behavior imo

what kind of 3ps does dizzy tend to make? are they usually townsided roles? neutral? killing? rondo is probs a 3p

[Lilypetal]

they dont seem wolfy but they also dont seem like they care about winning for town

i think that's just how they play

[Lilypetal]

what kind of 3ps does dizzy tend to make? are they usually townsided roles? neutral? killing? rondo is probs a 3p

why would rondo be a 3p? personality does not equal 3p behavior imo

what kind of 3ps does dizzy tend to make? are they usually townsided roles? neutral? killing? rondo is probs a 3p

oh?

[MacDougall]

i think her posting right now is fine but havent seen enough to decide if she's town yet

do you think arogame's reason for voting lily was reasonable?

arogame's reasoning was basically just: "i agree with SPF", and tilg's reasoning was more or less exactly the same

i dont think that both of them are mafia (most likely), so choosing to vote for lily based on my push on her is not inherently unreasonable, if that makes sense. i think the reason why the chances of there being a wolf in aro/tilg increase if lily is town is because i think lily was an easy target for a wolf trying to get integrated into the game to park their vote on, but i dont think the reasoning itself is much of a problem

my reasoning is no different if not even less contextual so I don't know why you felt the need to dramatically reject it

i rejected the existence of the dichotomy (or trichotomy) but not the read itself

very disappointing decision making if you are town

i agree that being reluctant to accept that i am a "straight up difference check" with a player who i barely have a read on roughly halfway through d1 is a bad way to play mafia and not just common sense

if tilgarial is town and lily is town there is almost always 1 between you

instead of accepting this to made yet another dramatic grandstand against the way I make reads

[RondoDimBuckle]

what kind of 3ps does dizzy tend to make? are they usually townsided roles? neutral? killing? rondo is probs a 3p

why would rondo be a 3p? personality does not equal 3p behavior imo

what kind of 3ps does dizzy tend to make? are they usually townsided roles? neutral? killing? rondo is probs a 3p

oh?

You really think a 3p would play like a 3p? It was just a meme.

I just get accused of being 3p because of how I play.

Mighty ducks is an example, It just happened to be right for the wrong reasons

[MacDougall]

I might just not bother making any further reads here and just deal with spf the same way Alison does. Appealing to probability doesn't work nor does appealing to results.

[staypositivefriend]

do you think arogame's reason for voting lily was reasonable?

arogame's reasoning was basically just: "i agree with SPF", and tilg's reasoning was more or less exactly the same

i dont think that both of them are mafia (most likely), so choosing to vote for lily based on my push on her is not inherently unreasonable, if that makes sense. i think the reason why the chances of there being a wolf in aro/tilg increase if lily is town is because i think lily was an easy target for a wolf trying to get integrated into the game to park their vote on, but i dont think the reasoning itself is much of a problem

my reasoning is no different if not even less contextual so I don't know why you felt the need to dramatically reject it

i rejected the existence of the dichotomy (or trichotomy) but not the read itself

very disappointing decision making if you are town

i agree that being reluctant to accept that i am a "straight up difference check" with a player who i barely have a read on roughly halfway through d1 is a bad way to play mafia and not just common sense

if tilgarial is town and lily is town there is almost always 1 between you

instead of accepting this to made yet another dramatic grandstand against the way I make reads

i have said multiple times t hat i think aro has a mildly higher chance of being mafia in a world where lily is town, but that i reject the implication that a world where aro is town is a world where i'm always mafia. it is extremely simple and i don't know why youre making a thing of it

[RondoDimBuckle]

they dont seem wolfy but they also dont seem like they care about winning for town

You say this yet you havent answered the questions I have been asking you on my read through.