Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Thanks for your help

[Elohcin]

Sorry I've been MIA. Yesterday I worked and then took Ephraim to hang with friends and didn't want to be rude by being on my phone. Today, we are taking a day trip. I'll do what I can to catch up when I get home and make an informative vote.

[Scotty]

I’m going to repeat this paragraph from my GMan deep dive, because I think it’s still accurate to my feelings:

“From my GMan observations:
-Sloonei, Golden, NAA/Vivax2.0 look great, Elo
-Michelle looks fine
-SVS/DH and sig are firmly compatible, and at least one of them is most likely bad
-2 of: DF, Quin and/or Wilgy are probably bad.

Just from these interactions alone, I could see a legit individual pairing of DF/Quin/Wilgy/DH or mix and match Quin/Wilgy with sig/SVS without yet looking into these player’s interactive ISOs with each other.”

[S~V~S]

I just did some searches within Michelles posts. Here is Quin. She never interacted with him or typed out his name.

There are a total of 12 posts with "Quin" in them, and ALL of them are other peoples mentions of him. The one time he appears as a quote is nested inside someone elses post she quotes, and it's a remark about English as a school subject.

Otherwise, all the other mentions are either becasue he is listed as a player in one of the poll snaps she posts, or someone else is talking about him in a post she quotes.

search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sr=posts&t=24 ... d=659&ch=0

I also searched her for Golden, she has more connection with him. She quotes him directly, she interacts with him. Most of her discussion with him is asking that he clarify points, and defend herself from light suspicion on his end, like when he told me he agreed with me regarding my suspicion of her. The only time she typed out "Golden" was when she was asking about other players read on Golden in reply to one of Vivax' posts. That was last Monday, the 24th.

It all still looks like distancing somewhat, but but but

When I searched Quin for Michelle, there were only *7* hits, no direct mentions, he has not directly quoted her, or mentioned her in any context.

search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sr=posts&t=24 ... d=474&ch=0

I could vote for Quin. I will, actually. [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

[Scotty]

Sorry I've been MIA. Yesterday I worked and then took Ephraim to hang with friends and didn't want to be rude by being on my phone. Today, we are taking a day trip. I'll do what I can to catch up when I get home and make an informative vote.

Um also you forgot to mention it was your birthday

Happy birthday!!! Enjoy your day- Im sorry you have to do mafia on your birthday lol

[S~V~S]

TBH, I could still vote for any of the three.

[Quin]

Read them

Do it again.

I've made my reads clear. I have zero interest in entertaining you because you obviously don't like them.

[Vivax]

I liked Goldens reply. The analysis of LoraB vs Quin day with G-Man tipping the scales in favour of Quin is a strong point.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Will be impressed if mafia Quin puts up this level of sass in response to pressure

[Vivax]

Free townread for the first person to build a case on Scotty

[Scotty]

Free townread for the first person to build a case on Scotty

Here’s something I was thinking about that I’m surprised no one even theorized:
What if I had my mafia team kill me with the (pretty good) idea that I would be rezzed again? Wouldn’t that be far out?

[Vivax]

Free townread for the first person to build a case on Scotty

Here’s something I was thinking about that I’m surprised no one even theorized:
What if I had my mafia team kill me with the (pretty good) idea that I would be rezzed again? Wouldn’t that be far out?

Sure, if you‘re living in a Rube Goldberg machine

[Scotty]

I liked Goldens reply. The analysis of LoraB vs Quin day with G-Man tipping the scales in favour of Quin is a strong point.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Will be impressed if mafia Quin puts up this level of sass in response to pressure

I don’t remember the meta of mafia Quin if he has any, but I am of an open mind and all of his responses to me and others today has been prickly and unhelpful.

@Quin You last voted for Elo because of the way she handled bea. I have seen no mention of her today. Do you still think she is bad?

[Scotty]

Vote count as of 8 hours until end of day 5:

Quin (4): Vivax2.0, Golden, SVS, Scotty
Golden (2): Matahari, Quin
Michelle (1): DrWilgy
Quin (1): Golden

Not voting: DF, Elo, sig, Sloonei

[S~V~S]

Free townread for the first person to build a case on Scotty

Here’s something I was thinking about that I’m surprised no one even theorized:
What if I had my mafia team kill me with the (pretty good) idea that I would be rezzed again? Wouldn’t that be far out?

I've seen it done, more than once iirc, but not via thread vote. In our OG forums like the Piano, games with multiple rezzes, recruitments, etc. were the norm.

But you came back with somewhat different reads from when you left. As a civ, after I am NK I almost ALWAYS see the thread in a new light. Baddies usually don't. That's why I specifically asked why you thought they killed you, I was hoping you might have had an epiphany while in the afterlife.

If you are bad, you have my vote for Best Baddie Socky for sure.

@bea I'm still looking for it. If I can't find it, my brother has a copy and he said he'd email it to me when he gets home tomorrow.

[Scotty]

Free townread for the first person to build a case on Scotty

Here’s something I was thinking about that I’m surprised no one even theorized:
What if I had my mafia team kill me with the (pretty good) idea that I would be rezzed again? Wouldn’t that be far out?

I've seen it done, more than once iirc, but not via thread vote. In our OG forums like the Piano, games with multiple rezzes, recruitments, etc. were the norm.

But you came back with somewhat different reads from when you left. As a civ, after I am NK I almost ALWAYS see the thread in a new light. Baddies usually don't. That's why I specifically asked why you thought they killed you, I was hoping you might have had an epiphany while in the afterlife.

If you are bad, you have my vote for Best Baddie Socky for sure.

@bea I'm still looking for it. If I can't find it, my brother has a copy and he said he'd email it to me when he gets home tomorrow.

My reads did change slightly. I can say for sure that I would have still gone after bea because her play seemed like a baddie knowing she was cornered, when in reality I guess she just didn’t have the time to defend. So it’s hard as an outsider who would have gone down that route to look objectively at who was pushing her when I also thought it was a good case.

I did find it interesting looking at the counterwagons for that day- the main one homed in on Vivax, one of my top town reads in my legacy rainbow. This was pushed by Wilgy and Sloonei if I recall. Quin decided to vote Sloonei because ??? and settled on Elo. You (SVS) thought about moving your vote but seemed to get cold feet. Sig is also someone that seemed to throw doubts about bea being a stale civ wagon. I would think those gunning for bea in this scenario are more civ inclined.

[Golden]

Free townread for the first person to build a case on Scotty

Here’s something I was thinking about that I’m surprised no one even theorized:
What if I had my mafia team kill me with the (pretty good) idea that I would be rezzed again? Wouldn’t that be far out?

Scotty, I would legit love it if this is true.

[Vivax]

Any idea in whose stead Mata Hari is voting for ?

[Scotty]

Free townread for the first person to build a case on Scotty

Here’s something I was thinking about that I’m surprised no one even theorized:
What if I had my mafia team kill me with the (pretty good) idea that I would be rezzed again? Wouldn’t that be far out?

Scotty, I would legit love it if this is true.

[Scotty]

Any idea in whose stead Mata Hari is voting for ?

I would guess not me, since I probably wasn’t targetable. I think my vote is legit.

I’d guess Sloonei or Golden, tbh.

Still don’t know if the player knows their vote has the caloric content of celery, but I have a theory that DH may have surmised one way or another, which might have explained his bizarre “I-don’t-care” lack of voting on D2.

[Golden]

If we can get down 2 more mafia…I think bad golden will reveal himself to be the male peacock disguising himself as the more colorful female peacock

Gender reveal parties are bad for the environment.

[Golden]

Given who is not voting yet, and also my PoE, I wouldn't be surprised to see a concerted effort to lynch me in the last few hours of today.

[Vivax]

I’m torn right now.

Some of these rouge votes aren’t great especially not liking Scotty vote on Lorab given that she said she’d be less around.

I also don’t like the two votes on Eloh I definitely think she’s a civ right now and was the easiest band wagon vote

Lots of vote switching going on without people posting about it. Very suspicious.

Tastes like crime

Sounds better than pasta water.

I'm ok with these wagons save that I don't fully understand the Golden one.

Lots of vote switching going on without people posting about it. Very suspicious.

Tastes like crime

Sounds better than pasta water.

I'm ok with these wagons save that I don't fully understand the Golden one.

I don’t think there’s anything to understand.

I moved back to Sloonei.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Anyone else thinking that all the baddies are among the off wagon voters, currently ?

Voting for Golden the Coward for poopooing on my attempts to sort out game mechanics to the civvies’ advantage. He’s also high post-count, which gives us lots to chew on, right or wrong. His tone is pretty level, but that (along with his posting volume) could be a ploy to place him right at radar level. He’s present, posting, and engaged. At this early stage it’s easy enough to give someone like him a pass for a few days just on those qualities alone.

[VOTE: Golden the Coward] aubergine


I have a meeting tonight that may push right up to eod. I’ll hang around up to the start of the meeting, but I can’t promise that I’ll make it back before the flip.

I don't really understand this reason to vote Golden. Rest of this post seems more to aim at expressing that Golden can do this as mafia. But G-Man comes off townie to me, at glance.

Last post was the first, for chronological order.
On phone.

Can you guess which my three guesses would be based on these if Quin flips Town ?

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Have been out of it this phase. Sorry. Michelle is simply the player I feel the least compelled to town read. I don’t know if she’s done anything noteworthy today.

[Michelle]

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Have been out of it this phase. Sorry. Michelle is simply the player I feel the least compelled to town read. I don’t know if she’s done anything noteworthy today.

I am here reading and trying to find clues.
Why do you feel the need to say sorry?

[Vivax]

Guessing sig or eloh had their vote snatched away

[Scotty]

Guessing sig or eloh had their vote snatched away

Elo’s a good guess. I don’t think sig is a likely candidate tho. Id guess it would be more of a consensus town read

[Michelle]

Day 1 vote tally

Spoiler: show

Who is getting a nine iron to the face?

Poll ended at Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:00 pm

bea
1
3%


Voters: LoRab

DFaraday
0
No votes


Voters: None

DharmaHelper
0
No votes


Voters: None

DrWilgy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Elohcin
4
13%


Voters: Sloonei, Quin, NotAnAxehole, Michelle

fingersplints
0
No votes


Voters: None

G-Man
1
3%


Voters: DharmaHelper

Golden
2
6%


Voters: G-Man, DrWilgy

Kate
0
No votes


Voters: None

thellama73
0
No votes


Voters: None

Lorab
0
No votes


Voters: None

Michelle
0
No votes


Voters: None

NotAnAxehole
0
No votes


Voters: None

Quin
2
6%


Voters: Scotty, Golden

Scotty
1
3%


Voters: Kate

sig
1
3%


Voters: sig

Sloonei
4
13%


Voters: Elohcin, fingersplints, Vivax, thellama73

Vivax
0
No votes


Voters: None

Atlas (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
15
48%


Voters: juliets, Matahari, S~V~S, RondoDimBuckle, JaggedJimmyJay, Dyslexicon, NateTheLesser, nutella, MacDougall, lucy, Gira, Sabiplz, hollowkatt, Spacedaisy, Epignosis


Total votes: 31

Eod 1
Bea 1 Lorab
Eloh 4 Sloo Quin NAA/Vivax2. 0 Mich
Gman 1 DH/Svs
Golden 2 Gman Wilgy
Scotty 1 Kate
Sig 1 Sig
Sloo 4 Eloh Fingers Vivax1.0 Llama

Day 2 Poll

Spoiler: show

Who called the Toon Patrol?

Poll ended at Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:00 pm

bea
0
No votes


Voters: None

DFaraday
0
No votes


Voters: None

DharmaHelper
4
15%


Voters: LoRab, Kate, DharmaHelper, Golden

DrWilgy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Elohcin
0
No votes


Voters: None

G-Man
0
No votes


Voters: None

Golden
0
No votes


Voters: None

Kate
0
No votes


Voters: None

thellama73
0
No votes


Voters: None

Lorab
6
23%


Voters: Sloonei, DFaraday, Elohcin, Scotty, Quin, G-Man

Michelle
0
No votes


Voters: None

NotAnAxehole
1
4%


Voters: bea

Quin
4
15%


Voters: thellama73, JaggedJimmyJay, Vivax, DrWilgy

sig
0
No votes


Voters: None

Sloonei
0
No votes


Voters: None

Eddie Valiant (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
11
42%


Voters: MacDougall, Sabiplz, Neon, nutella, fingersplints, juliets, Marmot, Matahari, S~V~S, Spacedaisy, Epignosis


Total votes: 26

Eod 2
DH/Svs 4 Lorab Kate DH Golden
Lorab 6 Sloo DF Elo, Scotty Quin Gman
NAA/Vivax 2.0 - Bea
Quin 4 Llama Jay Vivax2.0 Wilgy



Posting now, conclusions in the next post

[Vivax]

Michelle‘s going nuclear

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Have been out of it this phase. Sorry. Michelle is simply the player I feel the least compelled to town read. I don’t know if she’s done anything noteworthy today.

I am here reading and trying to find clues.
Why do you feel the need to say sorry?

The apology was for my inactivity today, not the vote itself.

[DrWilgy]

Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

OK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.

So, first:

The blatant no u by Quin on me, plus the matahari vote in proximate time frames (from my perspective), feel quite compatible with an attempted start of a save. I do admit that this is a self-centred approach... I've been a mislynch target of baddies often in my career, and Quin also was trying to pretzel me last night - whether genuine or not.

The idea of 'Michelle as save' hadn't yet crossed my mind when you brought it up. It would have eventually, but in the context of me trying to participate on a Sunday morning, I wasn't in deep analysis mode.

SVS didn't appeal to me as a Quin teammate. She was skeeved enough by him echoing me in the thread during the bea lynch that she called him my attorney. My sense of SVS is that she's been fairly consistently suspicious of Quin.

So I went and did a (skim) iso of SVS looking for her mentions of Quin, and I still don't really have reason to feel bad about SVS. Early on she said Quin was a null read, she needed to get on top of that. Then she starting focusing on me, Sloonei & Quin (a focus I think she's never really lost, on any of the three of us). She called us the 'triumverate of content', something which blatantly snubbed scotty. But she explained she was talking about the three she was at best null on. If she's Quin's teammate, she's been distancing for a while. Undoing that with an instant save after a single vote on Quin feels incorrect to me.

Wilgy, rather than isoing him, I focused on his voting patterns. After all, he did do the 'perfect' timing on the G-Man vote. If Wilgy is bad, he's a baddie who is quite comfortable bussing his teammate at the perfect time for cred.

On day one he was one of two votes on me. There were also two votes on Quin, along with the four on each of eloh and sloonei, at the end of the day. I do feel like some analysis of vote order could be valuable.

Wilgy was one of four voters for Quin on a day where LoRab was lynched with 6, and G-Man did play quite a decisive role there in ensuring LoRab went. I had completely forgotten Quin had taken four votes that day, in my head it was DH vs LoRab. If Quin flips wolf, this vote is as well placed for Wilgy as his vote on G-Man is the next day, in terms of town cred.

Then there's the G-Man vote.

Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.

So actually, in the vote analysis... I'd say a wilgy/quin w/w stacks up as a fair possibility and I really didn't expect to see that going in. It's enough for Wilgy to get put back in the mix.

If I'm wrong about Wilgy and he's a wolf with Quin there's a specific reason why that's going to be very ironic and I'll be kind of annoyed/frustrated with myself again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

However, I'd also note another possibility.

As of now, 5/11 of players in the game are voting.

That means six are not. I do not think it unlikely that there are wolves in that group, and I continue to feel bothered by the fact that I can't get three of them out of the PoE, even when I feel good about them.

Those three are DF, Michelle and sig.

I would not be at all surprised if both of quin's teammates are in that group, and if so far the only save on me has been from Quin itself.

I think it's worth noting that every one out of G-Man, Quin, DF and sig have voted for me in this game in ways that I would categorise as a 'no u'. That sticks out to me because they've all played with civ me before and they know I'm messy and mislynchable but that I am also perceptive. I didn't think G-Man's no u stood up and to be honest I don't think any of their no u's really stand up (if any one of them does stand up, it's sig's because taking sus while cursed does suck).

I’m glad you pointed this out RE Wilgy:
“Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.”

Because today we have this:

Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

I think Wilgy should put his money where his tongue is

I would if allowed to. Quins been a W vibe for awhile now.

[Scotty]

Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

OK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.

So, first:

The blatant no u by Quin on me, plus the matahari vote in proximate time frames (from my perspective), feel quite compatible with an attempted start of a save. I do admit that this is a self-centred approach... I've been a mislynch target of baddies often in my career, and Quin also was trying to pretzel me last night - whether genuine or not.

The idea of 'Michelle as save' hadn't yet crossed my mind when you brought it up. It would have eventually, but in the context of me trying to participate on a Sunday morning, I wasn't in deep analysis mode.

SVS didn't appeal to me as a Quin teammate. She was skeeved enough by him echoing me in the thread during the bea lynch that she called him my attorney. My sense of SVS is that she's been fairly consistently suspicious of Quin.

So I went and did a (skim) iso of SVS looking for her mentions of Quin, and I still don't really have reason to feel bad about SVS. Early on she said Quin was a null read, she needed to get on top of that. Then she starting focusing on me, Sloonei & Quin (a focus I think she's never really lost, on any of the three of us). She called us the 'triumverate of content', something which blatantly snubbed scotty. But she explained she was talking about the three she was at best null on. If she's Quin's teammate, she's been distancing for a while. Undoing that with an instant save after a single vote on Quin feels incorrect to me.

Wilgy, rather than isoing him, I focused on his voting patterns. After all, he did do the 'perfect' timing on the G-Man vote. If Wilgy is bad, he's a baddie who is quite comfortable bussing his teammate at the perfect time for cred.

On day one he was one of two votes on me. There were also two votes on Quin, along with the four on each of eloh and sloonei, at the end of the day. I do feel like some analysis of vote order could be valuable.

Wilgy was one of four voters for Quin on a day where LoRab was lynched with 6, and G-Man did play quite a decisive role there in ensuring LoRab went. I had completely forgotten Quin had taken four votes that day, in my head it was DH vs LoRab. If Quin flips wolf, this vote is as well placed for Wilgy as his vote on G-Man is the next day, in terms of town cred.

Then there's the G-Man vote.

Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.

So actually, in the vote analysis... I'd say a wilgy/quin w/w stacks up as a fair possibility and I really didn't expect to see that going in. It's enough for Wilgy to get put back in the mix.

If I'm wrong about Wilgy and he's a wolf with Quin there's a specific reason why that's going to be very ironic and I'll be kind of annoyed/frustrated with myself again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

However, I'd also note another possibility.

As of now, 5/11 of players in the game are voting.

That means six are not. I do not think it unlikely that there are wolves in that group, and I continue to feel bothered by the fact that I can't get three of them out of the PoE, even when I feel good about them.

Those three are DF, Michelle and sig.

I would not be at all surprised if both of quin's teammates are in that group, and if so far the only save on me has been from Quin itself.

I think it's worth noting that every one out of G-Man, Quin, DF and sig have voted for me in this game in ways that I would categorise as a 'no u'. That sticks out to me because they've all played with civ me before and they know I'm messy and mislynchable but that I am also perceptive. I didn't think G-Man's no u stood up and to be honest I don't think any of their no u's really stand up (if any one of them does stand up, it's sig's because taking sus while cursed does suck).

I’m glad you pointed this out RE Wilgy:
“Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.”

Because today we have this:

Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

I think Wilgy should put his money where his tongue is

I would if allowed to. Quins been a W vibe for awhile now.

lol what? When have you not been allowed to?

[S~V~S]

New snapshot, Matahari and Wilgy moved votes. @3:15

Spoiler: show

You may select 1 option


DFaraday
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Elohcin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Golden
1
6%
Voters: Quin
Michelle
2
13%
Voters: Matahari, Sloonei
Quin
5
31%
Voters: Vivax, Golden, S~V~S, Scotty, DrWilgy
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Vivax
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lucy, naturally (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
8
50%
Voters: Kate, bea, G-Man, nutella, Spacedaisy, Epignosis, JaggedJimmyJay, Marmot
Total votes: 16

[DrWilgy]

Quin wagon has been too smol

[Vivax]

Maybe Quin is a poisonous tropical frog

[Golden]

Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

OK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.

So, first:

The blatant no u by Quin on me, plus the matahari vote in proximate time frames (from my perspective), feel quite compatible with an attempted start of a save. I do admit that this is a self-centred approach... I've been a mislynch target of baddies often in my career, and Quin also was trying to pretzel me last night - whether genuine or not.

The idea of 'Michelle as save' hadn't yet crossed my mind when you brought it up. It would have eventually, but in the context of me trying to participate on a Sunday morning, I wasn't in deep analysis mode.

SVS didn't appeal to me as a Quin teammate. She was skeeved enough by him echoing me in the thread during the bea lynch that she called him my attorney. My sense of SVS is that she's been fairly consistently suspicious of Quin.

So I went and did a (skim) iso of SVS looking for her mentions of Quin, and I still don't really have reason to feel bad about SVS. Early on she said Quin was a null read, she needed to get on top of that. Then she starting focusing on me, Sloonei & Quin (a focus I think she's never really lost, on any of the three of us). She called us the 'triumverate of content', something which blatantly snubbed scotty. But she explained she was talking about the three she was at best null on. If she's Quin's teammate, she's been distancing for a while. Undoing that with an instant save after a single vote on Quin feels incorrect to me.

Wilgy, rather than isoing him, I focused on his voting patterns. After all, he did do the 'perfect' timing on the G-Man vote. If Wilgy is bad, he's a baddie who is quite comfortable bussing his teammate at the perfect time for cred.

On day one he was one of two votes on me. There were also two votes on Quin, along with the four on each of eloh and sloonei, at the end of the day. I do feel like some analysis of vote order could be valuable.

Wilgy was one of four voters for Quin on a day where LoRab was lynched with 6, and G-Man did play quite a decisive role there in ensuring LoRab went. I had completely forgotten Quin had taken four votes that day, in my head it was DH vs LoRab. If Quin flips wolf, this vote is as well placed for Wilgy as his vote on G-Man is the next day, in terms of town cred.

Then there's the G-Man vote.

Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.

So actually, in the vote analysis... I'd say a wilgy/quin w/w stacks up as a fair possibility and I really didn't expect to see that going in. It's enough for Wilgy to get put back in the mix.

If I'm wrong about Wilgy and he's a wolf with Quin there's a specific reason why that's going to be very ironic and I'll be kind of annoyed/frustrated with myself again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

However, I'd also note another possibility.

As of now, 5/11 of players in the game are voting.

That means six are not. I do not think it unlikely that there are wolves in that group, and I continue to feel bothered by the fact that I can't get three of them out of the PoE, even when I feel good about them.

Those three are DF, Michelle and sig.

I would not be at all surprised if both of quin's teammates are in that group, and if so far the only save on me has been from Quin itself.

I think it's worth noting that every one out of G-Man, Quin, DF and sig have voted for me in this game in ways that I would categorise as a 'no u'. That sticks out to me because they've all played with civ me before and they know I'm messy and mislynchable but that I am also perceptive. I didn't think G-Man's no u stood up and to be honest I don't think any of their no u's really stand up (if any one of them does stand up, it's sig's because taking sus while cursed does suck).

I’m glad you pointed this out RE Wilgy:
“Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.”

Because today we have this:

Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

I think Wilgy should put his money where his tongue is

I would if allowed to. Quins been a W vibe for awhile now.

You say ‘if allowed to’ but also you are voting there now. I’m conscious we might be on the very edge of infodumping here but… question… are you suggesting that your vote will not end on Quin today?

[DrWilgy]

If everyone voting quin bails to vote Michelle or Vivax and Quin Is no longer a good option, most likely.

If Quin is actually up to be yeeted, then let's yeet.

If the argument is "Wilgy keeps mentioning quin, but doesn't vote there" then give me something that wouldn't result in my vote being vanity.

[Michelle]

Looking at the wagons, day 1 had a tie but the lynch was switched to Vivax1.0, 3rd party. I don't think speculations about how that happened are useful.

I remember Sloonei had as single scum read in Vivax who flipped 3rd. If I have to tinfoil him this is a strong reason because mafia is always pushing the 3rds because this gives the impression they are scum hunting but I don't want to do that because Sloonei was very important in catching Gman.

Gman was off wagons, that would show t/t wagons most probably. Also he is voting for Golden who is looking villagery, but it may be a bus.
The vanity wagon on Gman from DH is another alarm bell.
I think I didn't notice the self vote from Sig, what was the reason of it@sig ?

The VC is longer than the phone screen, I forgot a wagon
Quin 2 Scotty Golden
If Quin flips mafia this is a good look probably for Scotty and Golden imo.

This is day 1, going further in day 2

[Vivax]

Who was on bea but isn‘t on Quin ?

[DrWilgy]

The gold one has spoken

@Sloonei @Kate @Vivax (who's temporarily off the hook) vote Quin for shits and giggles with me.

Like, this shit last cycle.

While I didn't disagree with Bea voters, my alternatives of Quin/Vivax weren't even considered yesterday when I stated the above.

Think Kate even was like "nah tastes o'poo"

[Michelle]

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Have been out of it this phase. Sorry. Michelle is simply the player I feel the least compelled to town read. I don’t know if she’s done anything noteworthy today.

I am here reading and trying to find clues.
Why do you feel the need to say sorry?

The apology was for my inactivity today, not the vote itself.

I guess it was weekend for everyone
Also I am slow posting even if i am here because i am talking on phone from time to time.

[Michelle]

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Have been out of it this phase. Sorry. Michelle is simply the player I feel the least compelled to town read. I don’t know if she’s done anything noteworthy today.

I am here reading and trying to find clues.
Why do you feel the need to say sorry?

The apology was for my inactivity today, not the vote itself.

I guess it was weekend for everyone
Also I am slow posting even if i am here because i am talking on phone from time to time.

[Michelle]

Who was on bea but isn‘t on Quin ?

I didn't vote yet

[Michelle]

Day 2 has another self vote, DH voted himself.
This was the Eod where I couldn't vote, I understood that was probably the reason for the curse to post in that odd way in D3. Sig had the same fate.

How these wagons formed?
Was the wagon on Lorab made to save someone?
I hoped i can find the answer at this

[Scotty]

Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

OK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.

So, first:

The blatant no u by Quin on me, plus the matahari vote in proximate time frames (from my perspective), feel quite compatible with an attempted start of a save. I do admit that this is a self-centred approach... I've been a mislynch target of baddies often in my career, and Quin also was trying to pretzel me last night - whether genuine or not.

The idea of 'Michelle as save' hadn't yet crossed my mind when you brought it up. It would have eventually, but in the context of me trying to participate on a Sunday morning, I wasn't in deep analysis mode.

SVS didn't appeal to me as a Quin teammate. She was skeeved enough by him echoing me in the thread during the bea lynch that she called him my attorney. My sense of SVS is that she's been fairly consistently suspicious of Quin.

So I went and did a (skim) iso of SVS looking for her mentions of Quin, and I still don't really have reason to feel bad about SVS. Early on she said Quin was a null read, she needed to get on top of that. Then she starting focusing on me, Sloonei & Quin (a focus I think she's never really lost, on any of the three of us). She called us the 'triumverate of content', something which blatantly snubbed scotty. But she explained she was talking about the three she was at best null on. If she's Quin's teammate, she's been distancing for a while. Undoing that with an instant save after a single vote on Quin feels incorrect to me.

Wilgy, rather than isoing him, I focused on his voting patterns. After all, he did do the 'perfect' timing on the G-Man vote. If Wilgy is bad, he's a baddie who is quite comfortable bussing his teammate at the perfect time for cred.

On day one he was one of two votes on me. There were also two votes on Quin, along with the four on each of eloh and sloonei, at the end of the day. I do feel like some analysis of vote order could be valuable.

Wilgy was one of four voters for Quin on a day where LoRab was lynched with 6, and G-Man did play quite a decisive role there in ensuring LoRab went. I had completely forgotten Quin had taken four votes that day, in my head it was DH vs LoRab. If Quin flips wolf, this vote is as well placed for Wilgy as his vote on G-Man is the next day, in terms of town cred.

Then there's the G-Man vote.

Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.

So actually, in the vote analysis... I'd say a wilgy/quin w/w stacks up as a fair possibility and I really didn't expect to see that going in. It's enough for Wilgy to get put back in the mix.

If I'm wrong about Wilgy and he's a wolf with Quin there's a specific reason why that's going to be very ironic and I'll be kind of annoyed/frustrated with myself again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

However, I'd also note another possibility.

As of now, 5/11 of players in the game are voting.

That means six are not. I do not think it unlikely that there are wolves in that group, and I continue to feel bothered by the fact that I can't get three of them out of the PoE, even when I feel good about them.

Those three are DF, Michelle and sig.

I would not be at all surprised if both of quin's teammates are in that group, and if so far the only save on me has been from Quin itself.

I think it's worth noting that every one out of G-Man, Quin, DF and sig have voted for me in this game in ways that I would categorise as a 'no u'. That sticks out to me because they've all played with civ me before and they know I'm messy and mislynchable but that I am also perceptive. I didn't think G-Man's no u stood up and to be honest I don't think any of their no u's really stand up (if any one of them does stand up, it's sig's because taking sus while cursed does suck).

I’m glad you pointed this out RE Wilgy:
“Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.”

Because today we have this:

Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

I think Wilgy should put his money where his tongue is

I would if allowed to. Quins been a W vibe for awhile now.

You say ‘if allowed to’ but also you are voting there now. I’m conscious we might be on the very edge of infodumping here but… question… are you suggesting that your vote will not end on Quin today?

[Golden]

If everyone voting quin bails to vote Michelle or Vivax and Quin Is no longer a good option, most likely.

If Quin is actually up to be yeeted, then let's yeet.

If the argument is "Wilgy keeps mentioning quin, but doesn't vote there" then give me something that wouldn't result in my vote being vanity.

That’s not the discussion. You’ve voted there twice!

[Golden]

Looking at the wagons, day 1 had a tie but the lynch was switched to Vivax1.0, 3rd party. I don't think speculations about how that happened are useful.

I remember Sloonei had as single scum read in Vivax who flipped 3rd. If I have to tinfoil him this is a strong reason because mafia is always pushing the 3rds because this gives the impression they are scum hunting but I don't want to do that because Sloonei was very important in catching Gman.

Gman was off wagons, that would show t/t wagons most probably. Also he is voting for Golden who is looking villagery, but it may be a bus.
The vanity wagon on Gman from DH is another alarm bell.
I think I didn't notice the self vote from Sig, what was the reason of it@sig ?

The VC is longer than the phone screen, I forgot a wagon
Quin 2 Scotty Golden
If Quin flips mafia this is a good look probably for Scotty and Golden imo.

This is day 1, going further in day 2

Sure, it’s not a bad look for Scotty if Quin flips bad but have you considered that he rose from the dead.

[Golden]

Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

OK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.

So, first:

The blatant no u by Quin on me, plus the matahari vote in proximate time frames (from my perspective), feel quite compatible with an attempted start of a save. I do admit that this is a self-centred approach... I've been a mislynch target of baddies often in my career, and Quin also was trying to pretzel me last night - whether genuine or not.

The idea of 'Michelle as save' hadn't yet crossed my mind when you brought it up. It would have eventually, but in the context of me trying to participate on a Sunday morning, I wasn't in deep analysis mode.

SVS didn't appeal to me as a Quin teammate. She was skeeved enough by him echoing me in the thread during the bea lynch that she called him my attorney. My sense of SVS is that she's been fairly consistently suspicious of Quin.

So I went and did a (skim) iso of SVS looking for her mentions of Quin, and I still don't really have reason to feel bad about SVS. Early on she said Quin was a null read, she needed to get on top of that. Then she starting focusing on me, Sloonei & Quin (a focus I think she's never really lost, on any of the three of us). She called us the 'triumverate of content', something which blatantly snubbed scotty. But she explained she was talking about the three she was at best null on. If she's Quin's teammate, she's been distancing for a while. Undoing that with an instant save after a single vote on Quin feels incorrect to me.

Wilgy, rather than isoing him, I focused on his voting patterns. After all, he did do the 'perfect' timing on the G-Man vote. If Wilgy is bad, he's a baddie who is quite comfortable bussing his teammate at the perfect time for cred.

On day one he was one of two votes on me. There were also two votes on Quin, along with the four on each of eloh and sloonei, at the end of the day. I do feel like some analysis of vote order could be valuable.

Wilgy was one of four voters for Quin on a day where LoRab was lynched with 6, and G-Man did play quite a decisive role there in ensuring LoRab went. I had completely forgotten Quin had taken four votes that day, in my head it was DH vs LoRab. If Quin flips wolf, this vote is as well placed for Wilgy as his vote on G-Man is the next day, in terms of town cred.

Then there's the G-Man vote.

Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.

So actually, in the vote analysis... I'd say a wilgy/quin w/w stacks up as a fair possibility and I really didn't expect to see that going in. It's enough for Wilgy to get put back in the mix.

If I'm wrong about Wilgy and he's a wolf with Quin there's a specific reason why that's going to be very ironic and I'll be kind of annoyed/frustrated with myself again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

However, I'd also note another possibility.

As of now, 5/11 of players in the game are voting.

That means six are not. I do not think it unlikely that there are wolves in that group, and I continue to feel bothered by the fact that I can't get three of them out of the PoE, even when I feel good about them.

Those three are DF, Michelle and sig.

I would not be at all surprised if both of quin's teammates are in that group, and if so far the only save on me has been from Quin itself.

I think it's worth noting that every one out of G-Man, Quin, DF and sig have voted for me in this game in ways that I would categorise as a 'no u'. That sticks out to me because they've all played with civ me before and they know I'm messy and mislynchable but that I am also perceptive. I didn't think G-Man's no u stood up and to be honest I don't think any of their no u's really stand up (if any one of them does stand up, it's sig's because taking sus while cursed does suck).

I’m glad you pointed this out RE Wilgy:
“Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.”

Because today we have this:

Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

I think Wilgy should put his money where his tongue is

I would if allowed to. Quins been a W vibe for awhile now.

You say ‘if allowed to’ but also you are voting there now. I’m conscious we might be on the very edge of infodumping here but… question… are you suggesting that your vote will not end on today?

Do you need me to find you a brick wall?

[Scotty]

If everyone voting quin bails to vote Michelle or Vivax and Quin Is no longer a good option, most likely.

If Quin is actually up to be yeeted, then let's yeet.

If the argument is "Wilgy keeps mentioning quin, but doesn't vote there" then give me something that wouldn't result in my vote being vanity.

Spoiler: show

This is the worst reasoning you’ve given to anything all game, Wilgy. Here:

Vote count currently 30 hours left in day 5

Spoiler: show

DFaraday
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Elohcin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Golden
2
18%
Voters: Quin, Matahari
Michelle
1
9%
Voters: S~V~S
Quin
2
18%
Voters: Golden, Scotty
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Vivax
0
No votes
Voters: None

The benefit of posting these little vote counts is such that I can really see transitions. As you can see, Quin was the leading wagon before you came in. At some point, you voted for Michelle, though you never posted as such in thread, so I can’t exactly see when you did so. At some point after this poll, I switched to SVS. Which would still mean Quin and Michelle had 1 vote each.

Your claim here that your vote would be vanity is patently false.

[Scotty]

The gold one has spoken

@Sloonei @Kate @Vivax (who's temporarily off the hook) vote Quin for shits and giggles with me.

Like, this shit last cycle.

While I didn't disagree with Bea voters, my alternatives of Quin/Vivax weren't even considered yesterday when I stated the above.

Think Kate even was like "nah tastes o'poo"

no no no

No one but bea was going over yesterday. Don’t try and act like that was ever going to be a flash wagon.

[Scotty]

Day 2 has another self vote, DH voted himself.
This was the Eod where I couldn't vote, I understood that was probably the reason for the curse to post in that odd way in D3. Sig had the same fate.

How these wagons formed?
Was the wagon on Lorab made to save someone?
I hoped i can find the answer at this

The 2 wagons that day centered around Quin and DH.
If that means anything