Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[Alison]

I'm not going to respond to Mac since it's not gonna change his mind and he's not gonna convince me I'm scum

Just know that everything he says is a lie

[MacDougall]

no but it's abnormal for Alison to make blatantly fallacious arguments and purse them vigorously as though they are facts and when called out on them being fallacious and having it shown to them to double down and omgus instead of see that they were clearly wrong and immediately reevalaute.

it's almost like Alison is trying to spew Santy town.

so regardless of alisons flip i need to re-evaluate santy it seems..

if i were to pre-flip alison wolf would you do you think she could be trying to spew seanzie town as well? if i imagine a w!alison t!seanzie world im not really sure if hes someone she would try to pocket by signal boosting his towniness? seanzie seems like someone whose kinda immune to that kinda stuff and plays by his own accord is the vvibe i get

If Alison is w I am not reading into any of her intentional spew at all. I would encourage ignoring all of it and pushing into the same POE that had her in it.

[ilario]

ilario are you gonna try to catch up?

i feel like im going crazy and you're my top town

im trying to but also im trying to understand whats happening rn. i have a feeling mac will be nkd tonight so i probably have atleast one more day to try and get a grasp on things and also figure out whats going between you and sean. i kinda dont wanna rush it but yeah i hope to have a better view of things eventually

[MacDougall]

I'm not going to respond to Mac since it's not gonna change his mind and he's not gonna convince me I'm scum

Just know that everything he says is a lie

"I'm not going to explain where the lie is, but he's lying."

Quote a single thing I've lied about. One single thing.

[ilario]

Is Sean a good wolf by the way?

[Millium]

Wisp, Alison, and Nanook probably paired

!

Choppers *doctoring* in one piece

ignoring me, u brought this up before
I couldn't see the point of it, but its doubtful that Alison was ever gunna get lynched day 1, and they never pushed it hard
whats the gameplan here though

[Alison]

I'm not going to respond to Mac since it's not gonna change his mind and he's not gonna convince me I'm scum

Just know that everything he says is a lie

"I'm not going to explain where the lie is, but he's lying."

Quote a single thing I've lied about. One single thing.

You lied about me lying when I didn't lie.

[Alison]

Oh shit he baited me into responding to him. rip

[ilario]

Tonally his posts felt towny to me on d1, but I don’t really know his ranges tbh

[Alison]

ilario are you gonna try to catch up?

i feel like im going crazy and you're my top town

im trying to but also im trying to understand whats happening rn. i have a feeling mac will be nkd tonight so i probably have atleast one more day to try and get a grasp on things and also figure out whats going between you and sean. i kinda dont wanna rush it but yeah i hope to have a better view of things eventually

He's green checked so he probably is, I hope so anyway since we agreed to make fun of each other in DVC based on what Santy's alignment is

[Alison]

no but it's abnormal for Alison to make blatantly fallacious arguments and purse them vigorously as though they are facts and when called out on them being fallacious and having it shown to them to double down and omgus instead of see that they were clearly wrong and immediately reevalaute.

it's almost like Alison is trying to spew Santy town.

so regardless of alisons flip i need to re-evaluate santy it seems..

if i were to pre-flip alison wolf would you do you think she could be trying to spew seanzie town as well? if i imagine a w!alison t!seanzie world im not really sure if hes someone she would try to pocket by signal boosting his towniness? seanzie seems like someone whose kinda immune to that kinda stuff and plays by his own accord is the vvibe i get

If Alison is w I am not reading into any of her intentional spew at all. I would encourage ignoring all of it and pushing into the same POE that had her in it.

You should not read into anything you believe is spew if I am a wolf and just solve the game like I'm not there yeah

[Chamomile]

How many mafs in a game this size?

! Monkey d Luffy can’t swim in one piece

[Alison]

Is Sean a good wolf by the way?

He is but he's also easy to read if you know his play, which I do

[MacDougall]

I'm not going to respond to Mac since it's not gonna change his mind and he's not gonna convince me I'm scum

Just know that everything he says is a lie

"I'm not going to explain where the lie is, but he's lying."

Quote a single thing I've lied about. One single thing.

You lied about me lying when I didn't lie.

The only thing I've accused you of being wrong about is

a) Santy pushing you all game in bad faith
b) Ilario scumreading Neon

Santy shielded you day 1 and part of day 2 and his argument is good (and you have refused to refute a single line of it despite me asking several times)
Ilario is townreading Neon

How am I lying? Where is the lie?

[dyachei]

How many mafs in a game this size?

! Monkey d Luffy can’t swim in one piece

prob 4 maf +1 3p

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Is Sean a good wolf by the way?

Not particularly in recent times, on an individual basis at least

In the past yes hes been very solid at times

[Alison]

How many mafs in a game this size?

! Monkey d Luffy can’t swim in one piece

18 players, would guess no more than 5 wolves and 1 3P. But it really depends on what kind of roles/powers/mechanics are floating around.

[ilario]

How many mafs in a game this size?

! Monkey d Luffy can’t swim in one piece

bruhhh answer my tag

[Millium]

Tonally his posts felt towny to me on d1, but I don’t really know his ranges tbh

Agreed that tonally he feels solo and townie
its not necessarily easy to constantly pretend u dont care as a wolf
his vote on me doesn;t really make sense either

Alison thinks they are town core, so depending on Alison's flip, I'd either take a look, or probably not bother, maybe

[Lilypetal]

You would also sussing me for no reason before I voted you. Like legit I was hard shielding you and you were like 'yeh they can die' .

And my point is that you should look at my push on you and see tha its fsir in its basis, because it was mostly based on your D1 play but you are choosing to not engage on that and misrepresent me or create lies

1) Nothing about your push makes any logical sense. It is made up. Everyone who isn't mafia or honorary mafia thinks it's made up.

2) The fact that I was pushing you even before you started voting me is evidence against your claim that I am simply OMGUSing btw.

Other people think Santy's argument on you was bad? I'd like to discuss this with these people. Who are they?

What about all the people who have said that they will treat Santy as a suspect if I flip V?

Off the top of my head, Nanook, Lily and dya have said something along those lines. Ender is voting Santy right now.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Lilypetal @dyachei can we chat about this please? I'd like to know what about Santy's Alison case making was illogical as per Alison's statement that you said that it was.

i don't really trust or agree with alison rn but I agreed that if I'm wrong I'll sheep her because then i'd obviously be wrong on my initial doubt

nothing more

[Alison]

I'm not going to respond to Mac since it's not gonna change his mind and he's not gonna convince me I'm scum

Just know that everything he says is a lie

"I'm not going to explain where the lie is, but he's lying."

Quote a single thing I've lied about. One single thing.

You lied about me lying when I didn't lie.

The only thing I've accused you of being wrong about is

a) Santy pushing you all game in bad faith
b) Ilario scumreading Neon

Santy shielded you day 1 and part of day 2 and his argument is good (and you have refused to refute a single line of it despite me asking several times)
Ilario is townreading Neon

How am I lying? Where is the lie?

Not gonna respond. Not an insult to you, I just don't see the point. I won't convince you and you won't convince me. If you want to convince other people I am mafia... direct these posts to them.

[Alison]

I think there is a chance I could be snowed by Seanzie but I am willing to accept that possibility in exchange for figuring out his meta more accurately

[Lilypetal]

Given that I'm a big chance of dying tonight anyway I'll just out the fact that Belzy hooded me n1 with a claim that their action was "once per game can target a player, if they are mafia you die, if they are town you get a hood" and I think they are lying about the actual role cuz earlier in the hood I thought it was an every night sort of desperado cop and was making plans for who they might target tonight but then later in the chat they revised their claim to be the former so they let me believe they could target every night til I forced them to confirm their claim.

Sorry if you're town Belzy but you ain't been towny out here, or in there and the fumbling of your role claim mixed with the fact that I'm probs getting a night 2 anyway means that outing this information for the town is optimal.

@Belzy claim the contents of your role asap please i have reason to suspect you

[Alison]

Hey Mac if I am a wolf I must have partners right? Why don't you go talk about those? Everyone and their mother has heard your case on me already.

[MacDougall]

Hey Mac if I am a wolf I must have partners right? Why don't you go talk about those? Everyone and their mother has heard your case on me already.

My POE is

Dyachei/Seanzie
Tilgarial/Lily
Porscha
Belzy

[dyachei]

Hey Mac if I am a wolf I must have partners right? Why don't you go talk about those? Everyone and their mother has heard your case on me already.

he's talked about how I'm partnered with you a lot today

[ilario]

@MacDougall do u have any doubt u could be wrong on alison here? alison, in a world where ur town do i ever question mac or nook for being this wrong on you?

[ilario]

Hey Mac if I am a wolf I must have partners right? Why don't you go talk about those? Everyone and their mother has heard your case on me already.

My POE is

Dyachei/Seanzie
Tilgarial/Lily
Porscha
Belzy

belzy????

bruh this game is wild...like okay i can see that based on spfs kill cos i think she was sus there...but when did this happen

[Millium]

Given that I'm a big chance of dying tonight anyway I'll just out the fact that Belzy hooded me n1 with a claim that their action was "once per game can target a player, if they are mafia you die, if they are town you get a hood" and I think they are lying about the actual role cuz earlier in the hood I thought it was an every night sort of desperado cop and was making plans for who they might target tonight but then later in the chat they revised their claim to be the former so they let me believe they could target every night til I forced them to confirm their claim.

Sorry if you're town Belzy but you ain't been towny out here, or in there and the fumbling of your role claim mixed with the fact that I'm probs getting a night 2 anyway means that outing this information for the town is optimal.

@Belzy claim the contents of your role asap please i have reason to suspect you

more spice

@MacDougall
if Santy was shielding why won't Alison just accept that her point isn't correct
I really dont get it

[Alison]

Hey Mac if I am a wolf I must have partners right? Why don't you go talk about those? Everyone and their mother has heard your case on me already.

My POE is

Dyachei/Seanzie
Tilgarial/Lily
Porscha
Belzy

Why is Tilg and Lily a dichotomy?

I like Porscha and Belzy here. I would pick Tilg if you have a good reason for that dichotomy. I don't necessarily think either Dya or Seanzie are guaranteed scum and would plop someone else there instead... let's see... you've heard all about my Santy scumread so I'll say Ender.

[Millium]

Hey Mac if I am a wolf I must have partners right? Why don't you go talk about those? Everyone and their mother has heard your case on me already.

My POE is

Dyachei/Seanzie
Tilgarial/Lily
Porscha
Belzy

belzy????

bruh this game is wild...like okay i can see that based on spfs kill cos i think she was sus there...but when did this happen

have u gotten to the claim yet? probably should read up if u havent

[MacDougall]

All you had to do this entire time was say

"Okay Santy was not scumreading me the entire game. Yes he was shielding me for the entirety of day 1. I didn't like his turnaround on me here and mis-spoke. I still think he is mafia."

and

"Oh I did not know Ilario had changed his read."

Like... if you are town and didn't bother to just self correct or admit the aforementioned you've forced me to confbias for no reason.

[Alison]

Given that I'm a big chance of dying tonight anyway I'll just out the fact that Belzy hooded me n1 with a claim that their action was "once per game can target a player, if they are mafia you die, if they are town you get a hood" and I think they are lying about the actual role cuz earlier in the hood I thought it was an every night sort of desperado cop and was making plans for who they might target tonight but then later in the chat they revised their claim to be the former so they let me believe they could target every night til I forced them to confirm their claim.

Sorry if you're town Belzy but you ain't been towny out here, or in there and the fumbling of your role claim mixed with the fact that I'm probs getting a night 2 anyway means that outing this information for the town is optimal.

@Belzy claim the contents of your role asap please i have reason to suspect you

more spice

@MacDougall
if Santy was shielding why won't Alison just accept that her point isn't correct
I really dont get it

Because my point was always that Santy was pushing me for obscenely awful reasons and I hyperbolically said "all game" instead of "D2" one time and he's fixated on it because he thinks nitpicking is the way to catch me as mafia.

[ilario]

Hey Mac if I am a wolf I must have partners right? Why don't you go talk about those? Everyone and their mother has heard your case on me already.

My POE is

Dyachei/Seanzie
Tilgarial/Lily
Porscha
Belzy

Why is Tilg and Lily a dichotomy?

I like Porscha and Belzy here. I would pick Tilg if you have a good reason for that dichotomy. I don't necessarily think either Dya or Seanzie are guaranteed scum and would plop someone else there instead... let's see... you've heard all about my Santy scumread so I'll say Ender.

alisons pov makes sense fwiw atp

i would say porcha and lily are more likely to be a dichotomy imo just based on lilys read there at sod and i think even on d1 felt kinda like tmi if porcha is town

[MacDougall]

Hey Mac if I am a wolf I must have partners right? Why don't you go talk about those? Everyone and their mother has heard your case on me already.

My POE is

Dyachei/Seanzie
Tilgarial/Lily
Porscha
Belzy

Why is Tilg and Lily a dichotomy?

I like Porscha and Belzy here. I would pick Tilg if you have a good reason for that dichotomy. I don't necessarily think either Dya or Seanzie are guaranteed scum and would plop someone else there instead... let's see... you've heard all about my Santy scumread so I'll say Ender.

Middle of day 1 SPF/Arogame/Tilgarial were all sus on and voting Lilypetal. That's two dead s-tier town and Tilg. If Tilg is town too I consider Lily outed.

[Alison]

Hey Mac if I am a wolf I must have partners right? Why don't you go talk about those? Everyone and their mother has heard your case on me already.

My POE is

Dyachei/Seanzie
Tilgarial/Lily
Porscha
Belzy

belzy????

bruh this game is wild...like okay i can see that based on spfs kill cos i think she was sus there...but when did this happen

Mac claims that he's in the hood with Belzy and Belzy changed her claim in hood chat in a sus way

So now we are all waiting for Belzy to get back and clarify

[ilario]

Hey Mac if I am a wolf I must have partners right? Why don't you go talk about those? Everyone and their mother has heard your case on me already.

My POE is

Dyachei/Seanzie
Tilgarial/Lily
Porscha
Belzy

belzy????

bruh this game is wild...like okay i can see that based on spfs kill cos i think she was sus there...but when did this happen

have u gotten to the claim yet? probably should read up if u havent

nahhh i havent even seens lilys claim originally when she tried to clear porcha tn LOL

[MacDougall]

Especially because the wagon grew no further. Town Lilypetal with s-tier SPF and s-tier Aro and Tilg voting on them would have lured wolf votes.

[Alison]

The good news is that one of me and Mac is going to be embarassingly wrong about Santy but the other members of the POE seem to be pretty consensus so despite all the arguing we still have a pretty solid solve that people can go on

Good work team

[Millium]

Given that I'm a big chance of dying tonight anyway I'll just out the fact that Belzy hooded me n1 with a claim that their action was "once per game can target a player, if they are mafia you die, if they are town you get a hood" and I think they are lying about the actual role cuz earlier in the hood I thought it was an every night sort of desperado cop and was making plans for who they might target tonight but then later in the chat they revised their claim to be the former so they let me believe they could target every night til I forced them to confirm their claim.

Sorry if you're town Belzy but you ain't been towny out here, or in there and the fumbling of your role claim mixed with the fact that I'm probs getting a night 2 anyway means that outing this information for the town is optimal.

@Belzy claim the contents of your role asap please i have reason to suspect you

more spice

@MacDougall
if Santy was shielding why won't Alison just accept that her point isn't correct
I really dont get it

Because my point was always that Santy was pushing me for obscenely awful reasons and I hyperbolically said "all game" instead of "D2" one time and he's fixated on it because he thinks nitpicking is the way to catch me as mafia.

fair point, I can accept this response if u even care about my thoughts at this point

[MacDougall]

Especially because the wagon grew no further. Town Lilypetal with s-tier SPF and s-tier Aro and Tilg voting on them would have lured wolf votes.

Imo that vote is either Tilgarial's vote themselves or there is not one ergo Lily is mafia.

[Alison]

I have come to the conclusion that Wisp is town.

[ilario]

Mac outside of the stuff you said about alison not changing her legacy and doubling down on you, do you find her posts to be scummy rn? I don’t see it but maybe I’m just very off this day phase

[Millium]

Especially because the wagon grew no further. Town Lilypetal with s-tier SPF and s-tier Aro and Tilg voting on them would have lured wolf votes.

Imo that vote is either Tilgarial's vote themselves or there is not one ergo Lily is mafia.

but why would lily's wagon grow, there was;t much of a reason to go there
they were like a 5 poster at that point in time weren't they, SPF had the one small case on them
and Aro and Tilg just kinda hopped on

[ilario]

I have come to the conclusion that Wisp is town.

How? And don’t u always wanna kill selfvoters? Why was wisp an exception this game?

[Alison]

Mostly because they are obstinate in a townie way (which demonstrates genuine conviction in your beliefs), they have a way of picking at points that make no sense to them in a townie way (because they are bothered by something they don't grasp/understand and need to find the truth), and they feel like they're trying to solve their own POV and questioning a bunch of people from both sides of the debate in a way that does not feel artificial.

Confidence on this read is moderate. I wouldn't lock town them based off it but I have them as a town read especially with the D1 flips stuff.

[Chamomile]

How many mafs in a game this size?

! Monkey d Luffy can’t swim in one piece

bruhhh answer my tag

I was on mobile and just posting my thoughts as I was walking home. I'm in think mode when walking. I'm on laptop now which isn't that much of an improvement. I don't know how you guys play on anything less than desktop computer. It's almost like I'm playing with a missing limb. Mobile-only players are on an even crazier plane.

! An L.A.D.Y Nami's not shy in one piece

[MacDougall]

Given that I'm a big chance of dying tonight anyway I'll just out the fact that Belzy hooded me n1 with a claim that their action was "once per game can target a player, if they are mafia you die, if they are town you get a hood" and I think they are lying about the actual role cuz earlier in the hood I thought it was an every night sort of desperado cop and was making plans for who they might target tonight but then later in the chat they revised their claim to be the former so they let me believe they could target every night til I forced them to confirm their claim.

Sorry if you're town Belzy but you ain't been towny out here, or in there and the fumbling of your role claim mixed with the fact that I'm probs getting a night 2 anyway means that outing this information for the town is optimal.

@Belzy claim the contents of your role asap please i have reason to suspect you

more spice

@MacDougall
if Santy was shielding why won't Alison just accept that her point isn't correct
I really dont get it

Because my point was always that Santy was pushing me for obscenely awful reasons and I hyperbolically said "all game" instead of "D2" one time and he's fixated on it because he thinks nitpicking is the way to catch me as mafia.

Thank you for reducing all of my salient points down to "nitpicking". That is definitely not misrepresentation.

You also tried to imply that other people thought Santy's case was bad, which was entirely refuted even though the players themselves were loathe to admit it.

You also tried to push me because of it instead of recognising that it's a valid point.

[Alison]

I have come to the conclusion that Wisp is town.

How? And don’t u always wanna kill selfvoters? Why was wisp an exception this game?

I didn't say you shouldn't kill Wisp.

I said Wisp is town.

I have been fine with shooting him at like any point in the game past page 5. A lot of the time I have bigger fish to fry but at one point I even mentioned that if I had 3 vig shots Wisp would be on the list.

[ilario]

How many mafs in a game this size?

! Monkey d Luffy can’t swim in one piece

bruhhh answer my tag

I was on mobile and just posting my thoughts as I was walking home. I'm in think mode when walking. I'm on laptop now which isn't that much of an improvement. I don't know how you guys play on anything less than desktop computer. It's almost like I'm playing with a missing limb. Mobile-only players are on an even crazier plane.

! An L.A.D.Y Nami's not shy in one piece

true true...all very true. but like why do you think alison wisp and nook are all paired?