Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[MacDougall]

this site is wonderful

come on man why insult the entire community because wolf alison is flailing and trolling you? miss me wit dat

[MacDougall]

I also don't think I'll necessarily sus Mac as hard as other slots immediately just cause town getting tunnelled hard on something and confbiasing themselves out the wazoo is things I will see in every mafia game ever and Mac is not immune from this.

til debating with your wolfread and calling out when they are making fallacious arguments is tunneling hard

At what point did you miss the "If Alison flips green" part of this pretext?

i don't see how alison's alignment changes the past, I'm not tunneling lol

"Aggressively pushing a wolfread with spice and hitting town" happens to town all the time.

There I fixed it for you.

thank you!

[Alison]

Flipping Porscha is a win win because she has the most entertaining reactions when she is wrongfully killed for no reason so even if she is town we get some value out of it.

OTOH we should vote the guy that is actually mafia if we want to win.

This is a lowkey shield on Porscha fwiw

I expect Porscha to catch at least 2 wolves by D3 if we let her live.

Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Okay I am turning a new leaf

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

this should solidify town santy tbh he went from alison lock town to alison lock wolf in like 16 hours and had genuine progression

@Alison

This was before, Lily said she'd vote you if I flipped V after I left my legacy on you.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm going back to being right.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

[Alison]

if alison flips villager i will vote santy

This is what someone who thinks Santy has good arguments looks like.

[Millium]

You would also sussing me for no reason before I voted you. Like legit I was hard shielding you and you were like 'yeh they can die' .

And my point is that you should look at my push on you and see tha its fsir in its basis, because it was mostly based on your D1 play but you are choosing to not engage on that and misrepresent me or create lies

1) Nothing about your push makes any logical sense. It is made up. Everyone who isn't mafia or honorary mafia thinks it's made up.

2) The fact that I was pushing you even before you started voting me is evidence against your claim that I am simply OMGUSing btw.

Other people think Santy's argument on you was bad? I'd like to discuss this with these people. Who are they?

What about all the people who have said that they will treat Santy as a suspect if I flip V?

Off the top of my head, Nanook, Lily and dya have said something along those lines. Ender is voting Santy right now.

I mean that's what u do, or at least the correct play, to re-evaluate them
still wouldn't think his case on you was wolfy

So you agree that it is correct to re-evaluate and seriously consider Santy as a suspect if I flip green?

I'll recant on you wolfsiding if you say yes.

lmao i dont care about ur read on me, but I will always re-evaluate based on "some" dead players reads
you being one of them

[MacDougall]

You would also sussing me for no reason before I voted you. Like legit I was hard shielding you and you were like 'yeh they can die' .

And my point is that you should look at my push on you and see tha its fsir in its basis, because it was mostly based on your D1 play but you are choosing to not engage on that and misrepresent me or create lies

1) Nothing about your push makes any logical sense. It is made up. Everyone who isn't mafia or honorary mafia thinks it's made up.

2) The fact that I was pushing you even before you started voting me is evidence against your claim that I am simply OMGUSing btw.

Other people think Santy's argument on you was bad? I'd like to discuss this with these people. Who are they?

What about all the people who have said that they will treat Santy as a suspect if I flip V?

Off the top of my head, Nanook, Lily and dya have said something along those lines. Ender is voting Santy right now.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Lilypetal @dyachei can we chat about this please? I'd like to know what about Santy's Alison case making was illogical as per Alison's statement that you said that it was.

[santygrass]

Flipping Porscha is a win win because she has the most entertaining reactions when she is wrongfully killed for no reason so even if she is town we get some value out of it.

OTOH we should vote the guy that is actually mafia if we want to win.

This is a lowkey shield on Porscha fwiw

I expect Porscha to catch at least 2 wolves by D3 if we let her live.

Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Okay I am turning a new leaf

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

this should solidify town santy tbh he went from alison lock town to alison lock wolf in like 16 hours and had genuine progression

@Alison

This was before, Lily said she'd vote you if I flipped V after I left my legacy on you.

I am refering to your point of

'everyone who isnt mafia or honorary mafia knows that santy push was scummy' or whatev you said.

There isnt a single person who said that besides you.
So, everyone is mafia?

[Alison]

I'm going back to being right.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

I'm not voting anyone else today except Santy I think. If Santy flips red I am vindicated and all is good. If anyone but Santy flips, either red or green, it will be the Santy vs Alison show again tomorrow and shit up the thread with nonsense arguing instead of actual solving. Miss me with that. Flip Santy, or flip me and flip Santy. Either way is fine.

[Millium]

or we can take the boring way out and just lynch Porscha, which probably is always a hit

[MacDougall]

I dunno what it is about you Alison but I love having these debates with you haha. Anyone else pisses me off but your approach to it always entertains me. I think I'm the only one cuz you seem to offend everyone else.

[Alison]

I am refering to your point of

'everyone who isnt mafia or honorary mafia knows that santy push was scummy' or whatev you said.

There isnt a single person who said that besides you.
So, everyone is mafia?

Yeah, all these people are going to vote you because they agree with your case and think it was good after I flip V.

[santygrass]

if alison flips villager i will vote santy

This is what someone who thinks Santy has good arguments looks like.

I am pretty sure that Lily was just entertaining you there and wont actually do it because she stated repeatedly that I was their most confident townread.

[Millium]

where is this case in his iso, so I can take a look again now that I am home

[Alison]

I dunno what it is about you Alison but I love having these debates with you haha. Anyone else pisses me off but your approach to it always entertains me. I think I'm the only one cuz you seem to offend everyone else.

Probably because you aren't overly sensitive to people telling you that you're wrong.

[Alison]

if alison flips villager i will vote santy

This is what someone who thinks Santy has good arguments looks like.

I am pretty sure that Lily was just entertaining you there and wont actually do it because she stated repeatedly that I was their most confident townread.

peak copium

[Millium]

if alison flips villager i will vote santy

This is what someone who thinks Santy has good arguments looks like.

I am pretty sure that Lily was just entertaining you there and wont actually do it because she stated repeatedly that I was their most confident townread.

ya I do recall that, so was a bit confused with that statement

[santygrass]

I summarized it in one post I'll look for it give me a second Sisp it was truly Goated

[Millium]

if alison flips villager i will vote santy

This is what someone who thinks Santy has good arguments looks like.

I am pretty sure that Lily was just entertaining you there and wont actually do it because she stated repeatedly that I was their most confident townread.

post ur alison case again, im trying to stay in the little real time I have actual time for

[Alison]

Mac is just too wrong this game. I don't even mean about reads. He is too wrong about my meta. Being surprised that I want to punish people for killing townies is on another level.

He is just bending the truth about me to fit a narrative/agenda. This guy is mafia.

[santygrass]

Spoiler: show

I think that if Alison is town almost always one in Ender/nook should be mafia tbh.

So like, if you want to be more fair and without bias from my own read.
Nanook/ender/alison doesnt feel like a pure group so solving in there might be good

Spoiler: show

My role gives me a bonus if I have no vote at EOD. Therefore I will not be voting in the poll. I will not be claiming exact details or flavor in order to avoid a soupkill. I will still use the vote tags to indicate my strongest suspicion.

Anyway Rondo is mafia.

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Milium town Seanzie town.

Why am I town?

You are out of your scum range.

Milium town Seanzie town.

I think ur probably town but can you explain these two reads ?

See above for Seanzie.

Milium is town because they are a completely fresh face in the middle of an extremely insular playerlist that all know each other and have lots of experience with each other and still come off as the most relaxed and comfortable person in the thread.

I rescind my townread on Seanzie because he didn't get offended enough when I said he was out of his scum range.

Rondo is being reasonable and townie and solvey which means he is lock mafia.

Just to be clear I have a bonus if I don't vote but I can still vote if I want so if voting is more important than getting the bonus (eg. tie between me and my scumread and I need to self pres) I will.

Wisp is town clearing me for claiming my role in post 1?

Okay well that's weird and suspicious because I don't think Wisp's knowledge of me should lead him to do that.

@Millium Haven't you seen me do bold fakeclaims before?

Alison SoD I think was the towniest by far in regards to how they were giving reads and that sort of stuff. Even if alison is a wolf their SoD was the more pro-villa one with how they were just putting their reads out there imo
Also I think likely unpaired with Wisp

Currently at the Neon post.

Aro
Wisp
Seanzie
Neon
Rondo

My scumreads

Mac shielding Aro and Rondo

I trust Mac so take the other three as my immediate POE

There are good odds that this is all town fwiw.
Is alison a power-wolfy type of player?
Like, I only see from there rondo or Seanzie being Wolves. And if Porscha is a wolf f.e, then I think Rondo is less likely. Same stuff in W!dya V!seanzie scenarios .

Or maybe Rondo is mafia there and they are using Mac shield too tbh

Btw the power-wolfy type of player I need answered by people who know Alison because if not I think usually a list with various names as PoE without any wolf I usually indicate it more towards lack of TMI tbh

SPF progression on Illario was decent

Tilgarial feels like they're working alone.

Townleans for both.

@Alison is this your first time playing with Tilg btw? Have you read champs sf2 or finale?

Millium, Porscha, Santy, Lily, Aro.

Of those with votes, these are the wagons I can tolerate.

Aro and Millium are both a step above in preference (ie. I want them dead more).

Here are minimum 4 Town too btw.

I think Porscha likely a wolf there but Idrc them pushing Porscha or going there ? We'll see later in the ISO i guess.

But anyways Alison is super off irt to reads and its worrying

I think that if Alison is town almost always one in Ender/nook should be mafia tbh.

So like, if you want to be more fair and without bias from my own read.
Nanook/ender/alison doesnt feel like a pure group so solving in there might be good

Why?

Because doesnt feel like town violenece onto Alison at all imo. I dont vibed much with the way Alison was pushed maybe.

But now I am rereading and vibing less with alison as a whole so on hold

And also like, the way alison reacted to the push maybe add onto my feeling that it isnt full of Villa's there?

Porscha is an ok exe. Would prefer Wisp or Aro but this is fine.

Wowee post if Porscha is mafia

I feel apathetic because I am set in my reads and short of someone towning it up super hard or outing themselves I doubt I'll change them. Everything I am reading has made me more and more certain in those reads. I know it is confbias but I love being confbiased so that's fine.

I'm not gonna vote unless it's a really dire situation. So there's not much point in me sitting around here arguing with people for the next 7 hours especially since the current wagons are very okay with me anyway. I'm just going to do what Nook does and post my reads and then chill. Ping me if someone towns it up super hard or outs themselves. I will probably check in in the last few minutes just in case I need to self pres or if the wagons are tied between Mac and Aro or something silly.

Lower POE (more scummy): arogame, Millium
Upper POE: Lilypetal, EnderWiggin, Porscha, santygrass
I scumread but Mac is shielding and I trust him: Rondo, Neon
Shrug: dyachei, Chamomile, Nanook
Town: Belzy, SPF, Seanzie
Confident town: Illario, MacDougall, Tilgarial

If you're not on here it means you're meh.

And like .. if Porscha/Tilg are indeed W/W , this amount of wolfsiding of Alison is crazy LOL

There is about an 80% chance that I will be mechanically locked town by D2. It's not deterministic since there's potential stuff that could mess with it (esp in a closed setup) but it exists. So if there's a doctor or similar they should be on me.

Displeased that nook voted Alison still smh

Actually I'm going to drop some respect to Lily and trust her Santy shield.

Lower POE (more scummy): arogame, Millium
Upper POE: EnderWiggin, Porscha, Rondo
I scumread but Mac is shielding and I trust him: Neon
I scumread by Lily is shielding and I trust her: Santygrass
Shrug: dyachei, Nanook
Town: Belzy, SPF, Seanzie, Lilypetal, Chamomile
Confident town: Illario, MacDougall, Tilgarial

This is a bit better cuz they moved a kinda PoE slot to town and trusted a shield on another town player, that goes a bit against the PowerWolf Alison Perspective I was making ik my head while thinking of how W!Alison approached this game

SPF could you explain your votes on me and then Tilg? Do you genuinely think those are the most likely to flip mafia?

Standing Emoji

Flipping Porscha is a win win because she has the most entertaining reactions when she is wrongfully killed for no reason so even if she is town we get some value out of it.

OTOH we should vote the guy that is actually mafia if we want to win.

This is a lowkey shield on Porscha fwiw

I expect Porscha to catch at least 2 wolves by D3 if we let her live.

Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Okay I am turning a new leaf

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

I just got a clarification for my role, it's not that I get a bonus if I don't vote, I get a bonus if nobody votes for me

jeez

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Nobody is allowed to vote me now or town loses a PR

I still kinda townread the derp. But looking at Alison reads and people stating that Alison tends to fakeclaims I am not going to weigh that much fwiw. At least not so much looking at the Tilg confident townread or the lowkey shield on Porscha. Or how they talked to spf with why they voted her / Tilg.
Like, that post explains quite a bit why spf was killed and perfectly makes sense in a world where Alison is worried about the spf godreads tbh

I just got a clarification for my role, it's not that I get a bonus if I don't vote, I get a bonus if nobody votes for me

jeez

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Intresting. Well my mech town read is gone now lol

Don't worry if everything goes right you'll have me as mech town by tomorrow anyway.

@Alison are you 3p? Like ffs you should be more salty at nook for their vote. Specially considering that you said your role was clearing, and you are okay with being a wagon?
Like I expect you to say 'get off me stop throwing I can clear myself easily' but you not boosting that or using it as much makes me think it isnt clearing and you were being performative.
So I would like for you to expand on what is your approach to your wagon and what do you think of your role

Wisp has just moved from "top scumread" to "policy exe".

This read didnt hold up.

Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

If we think Dya/Seanzie is a diff check. I think the wolf is most likely Seanzie in a W!alison world . My thoughts just looking at the ISO tbh.

Personally I would vote Wisp even if he's town because he's a liability.

And if he flips town, how does that change your perspective?

Chamomile moves into my lock towns, and I have a long talk with you. Then I start hunting for who I miscleared on the Wisp wagon.

I think the approach alison was stating near EoD like... Didnt hold up at all today? And makes me lean more into it being fake.
Like, I dont remember alison pressuring much Wisp at all and its just keeping them in sidelines tbh

What reason do you have to suspect Tilg?

Tilg has treated me in an incredibly townie way.

Standing Emoji. The amount of confidence in the Tilg read is lynch worthy.
Because they either
A)Havent played with Tilg before so they shouldn't have this confidence
B)Have played/spectated Tilg before and should know that their reasons for clearing Tilg are bad ones IMO

According to you voting out a town Wisp would immediately out half the mafia team when people aren't willing to follow you on them... why are you reluctant about it?

Bruh, I don’t vote my tr to prove a point.

It’s a win/win because either wisp dies due other people voting him and then whoever is town on the wagon will realize or, Porscha dies and likely flips mafia which will change a lot of people’s minds as well lol.

Like a Porscha flip also helps people realize that wisp is likely town based on gamestate thread with voting movemengs

hahahaha no

if porscha flips mafia I am gonna shoot wisp in the night regardless. He is a liability and must be killed

Alison felt SO strongly about Wisp and I feel like Alison didnt tackle or pushed Wisp today and I think that is kinda outing ngl.
In a sense that the perspective Alison puts in the thread doesnt holds up + wolfsiding

@Millium give someone a gift to not vote you and vote Alison unless she unvotes you

Actually vote Alison unless she votes Porscha.

I have hard claimed that I have a powerful townsided PR that is unlocked through me not getting any votes.

Anyone who votes me is essentially outing as scum... so if Millium votes me I'm going to vote him 10x as much and see it as a last ditch effort for scum to try to take away a town PR while going down.

Alison not slapping nanook for their actions, or signal boosting this irt to their wagon today, just makes its far more likely that it was indeed a fake claim.

Nook was right all along and I had the skill issue !?!?
Stop this I want to leave

also alison the only reason i wasnt burying aro with you and mac earlier is because i wasn't here. i was pinged by his posts in the last few pages the moment that i actually read him

Ok i trust u

I will be shot tonight so if spf is mafia this is just me giving her the usual d1 pass and u are all bad for not listening to my warnings to make her do stuff

If she is town i was right to trust her

I think these type of posts + them kinda bothering spf for not being there and 'burying wolves' just speaks to me as Alison clearly being wary of spf this game LOL

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

Porscha, Santy also good exes. I'll give Nook a day.

Also. Seeing this I would say that Alison had their vote on Porscha most of the day. And its a point against tha PowerWolfy Alison with Tilg/Porscha as partners.

But like, I dont recall them doing much to push Porscha? Idk I'll keep reading onto this day.

And also, good odds of Nook/Cham being a difference check too in a W!Alison world just because they treated them like night and day Lol .
Cham> Outed scum you should die
Nook> Weh nook thing. I'll give him a pass today

why is cham very likely town btw al?

I don't know if they're very likely town but I am very open to the possibility that they are.

Reasons would include:

1) I think Porscha is likely to be mafia and Cham wanted us to kill Porscha.
2) Wisp is more likely to be town (shielded hard by Aro + a significant reason to scumread Wisp, ie. the tag teaming with Aro and other assorted partnery interactions, is gone), and Cham wanted to shield Wisp.
3) Aro thought Cham was town (iirc, correct me if wrong).

This progression on Wisp doesnt feel right /shrug.
Or at least it rubs me as not expected from alison reading how strongly they felt about Wisp D1 lol.

I have a townread on dya because I thought their EOD treatment of Aro isn't as likely to come from a mafia.

Idk I think I missed the quote, but later Alison said that they didnt had a strong read on dya when Mac asked. Thats prob a non w/w treatment lf dya fwiw , because Alison could easily try to slide this specific read to throw light onto a partner .

[VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

In hindsight bolded feels like an... Obtuse question? Like, the reason is obvious that a wolf would feel threatened by a player voting them . And I reached to sus both of you in the end so you were kinda right in the end alison hmmyes

Tilg being on both SPF and Aro scum lists is a bad look for them.

Bye bye the confident townread. Never talked about it again when thread started suspecting Tilg. Their read on tilg was FAKE

I do agree that you should be permitted to attempt to mech self resolve yourself and that you were disallowed that on day 1 was a misplay.

There's a random element to my role which means I only self resolve 80%ish of the time (plus minus some % in case there's role shenanigans at play) but 80% is a pretty big number so if you want to policy me if the 20% hits I don't mind. Since that would be a pretty unlucky scenario and I'd have to play as someone who failed to self resolve for the rest of the game... I don't mind a policy in that case.

Alison is... So quiet about this. Like ffs if I were in their shoes I would be screaming at town for misplaying and not just let me resolve? Like wtf Mac even signals it too and she just 'agrees' and even says its okay to be policied or something?
Feels less and less genuine lol

Porscha is probably volume tell outed

This is the most aggro post irt to Porscha. Compare how Alison is treating Porscha/Tilg to how they were pushing Wisp and aro yesterday and its kind of night and day tbh .

@Alison if you had 3 dayvigs who do you flip for max mafia death potential?

Tilg Porscha Santy

Be surprised if that doesn't yield a ripe harvest of pelts

I agree with this tbh. But Alison even tho it seems to be on the correct read of Tilg/Porscha isnt pushing much for it at all and only seems like a standby vote on Porscha.
Also smh killing me you bish die

My logic is that Cham is committing suicide if they were mafia but not if they were playing to an alt win con. Like look at how they have played. D1 they went all in defending Wisp. D2 they went all in attacking me. They are playing to an agenda that does not seem dictated by the natural desires and boundaries that a mafia operates by and they clearly don't give a shit about self pres.

I have bigger fish to fry than them. You think I am more of an OMGUSer than I actually am.

I think this most often than not is a read that comes from a scum mindset tbh.
And like, I am not even sure its clearing for Cham and could be easily be W/W theater lol. But I'll think about that later

Putting my posts about Alison ISO in one post, for easy referencing purposes. And pelt purpose ofc .

@Tilgarial lmk your thoughts on it when you have time

@Millium

[MacDougall]

Given that I'm a big chance of dying tonight anyway I'll just out the fact that Belzy hooded me n1 with a claim that their action was "once per game can target a player, if they are mafia you die, if they are town you get a hood" and I think they are lying about the actual role cuz earlier in the hood I thought it was an every night sort of desperado cop and was making plans for who they might target tonight but then later in the chat they revised their claim to be the former so they let me believe they could target every night til I forced them to confirm their claim.

Sorry if you're town Belzy but you ain't been towny out here, or in there and the fumbling of your role claim mixed with the fact that I'm probs getting a night 2 anyway means that outing this information for the town is optimal.

[Alison]

Mac is just too wrong this game. I don't even mean about reads. He is too wrong about my meta. Being surprised that I want to punish people for killing townies is on another level.

He is just bending the truth about me to fit a narrative/agenda. This guy is mafia.

I think Mac is in the top 10 mafia players in the entire world for understanding my meta. There are people who know it better but I could count them on my fingers. It's hard to believe that he simultaneously wolfsides while also getting my meta that wrong... the simplest answer is that he is just mafia. I really want him to be town but I can't see it atp.

[santygrass]

There was more stuff afterwards, but that is wha mostly made me turn in Alison fwiw

[Alison]

Given that I'm a big chance of dying tonight anyway I'll just out the fact that Belzy hooded me n1 with a claim that their action was "once per game can target a player, if they are mafia you die, if they are town you get a hood" and I think they are lying about the actual role cuz earlier in the hood I thought it was an every night sort of desperado cop and was making plans for who they might target tonight but then later in the chat they revised their claim to be the former so they let me believe they could target every night til I forced them to confirm their claim.

Sorry if you're town Belzy but you ain't been towny out here, or in there and the fumbling of your role claim mixed with the fact that I'm probs getting a night 2 anyway means that outing this information for the town is optimal.

@Belzy Is this true? Are you claiming a green check on Mac?

[Alison]

I will hard claim that my role involves a % chance of getting a Vigilante shot.

You guys figure out if it's possible for there to be two sources of town KP in a game this size.

[Alison]

Oh wait no, Belzy isn't claiming KP, they die if they target mafia not the other way around.

[MacDougall]

Mac is just too wrong this game. I don't even mean about reads. He is too wrong about my meta. Being surprised that I want to punish people for killing townies is on another level.

He is just bending the truth about me to fit a narrative/agenda. This guy is mafia.

I think Mac is in the top 10 mafia players in the entire world for understanding my meta. There are people who know it better but I could count them on my fingers. It's hard to believe that he simultaneously wolfsides while also getting my meta that wrong... the simplest answer is that he is just mafia. I really want him to be town but I can't see it atp.

I never said I was surprised that you want to punish people for killing townies.

And if you really wanted to punish people for killing townies why aren't you burying dyachei?

[MacDougall]

If you were to ask me which of dyachei/santygrass is more likely to be mafia for killing a town wrongly, I take dyachei. I think anyone with experience with both would attest to that.

[MacDougall]

Given that I'm a big chance of dying tonight anyway I'll just out the fact that Belzy hooded me n1 with a claim that their action was "once per game can target a player, if they are mafia you die, if they are town you get a hood" and I think they are lying about the actual role cuz earlier in the hood I thought it was an every night sort of desperado cop and was making plans for who they might target tonight but then later in the chat they revised their claim to be the former so they let me believe they could target every night til I forced them to confirm their claim.

Sorry if you're town Belzy but you ain't been towny out here, or in there and the fumbling of your role claim mixed with the fact that I'm probs getting a night 2 anyway means that outing this information for the town is optimal.

@Belzy Is this true? Are you claiming a green check on Mac?

Cmon Alison you really think I'd make up a claim like this that could just be hand waved away by Belzy? Haha miss me.

[Alison]

Ok, with this new info, I think Mac shouldn't be top priority. If Belzy is town then Mac has to be town because of Belzy's claimed role (assuming Belzy doesn't dispute this). If Belzy is mafia then I don't really understand why a wolf partner Mac would expose her like this.

I don't know how town Mac screwed up my meta so badly but here we are. Bad game I guess. I'll let Belzy explain herself, in a vacuum I'd go Santy next assuming Belzy's claim isn't outing or anything.

[MacDougall]

At any rate according to their claim their role function serves no purpose anymore aside from me and them having a hood and me being a green check so yeah there's like no use not outing it at this point cuz Belzy is actually a sussy baka and I'm a risk of dying at any given moment so outing this at least might encourage protection onto me.

[Millium]

Given that I'm a big chance of dying tonight anyway I'll just out the fact that Belzy hooded me n1 with a claim that their action was "once per game can target a player, if they are mafia you die, if they are town you get a hood" and I think they are lying about the actual role cuz earlier in the hood I thought it was an every night sort of desperado cop and was making plans for who they might target tonight but then later in the chat they revised their claim to be the former so they let me believe they could target every night til I forced them to confirm their claim.

Sorry if you're town Belzy but you ain't been towny out here, or in there and the fumbling of your role claim mixed with the fact that I'm probs getting a night 2 anyway means that outing this information for the town is optimal.

ok so this explains your previous post
so they didn't open up with the "Once per game" bit?
I mean if u talking to your top town u certainly dont bait them into thinking you have extra shots, also that ability would be insane otherwise

[Alison]

Given that I'm a big chance of dying tonight anyway I'll just out the fact that Belzy hooded me n1 with a claim that their action was "once per game can target a player, if they are mafia you die, if they are town you get a hood" and I think they are lying about the actual role cuz earlier in the hood I thought it was an every night sort of desperado cop and was making plans for who they might target tonight but then later in the chat they revised their claim to be the former so they let me believe they could target every night til I forced them to confirm their claim.

Sorry if you're town Belzy but you ain't been towny out here, or in there and the fumbling of your role claim mixed with the fact that I'm probs getting a night 2 anyway means that outing this information for the town is optimal.

@Belzy Is this true? Are you claiming a green check on Mac?

Cmon Alison you really think I'd make up a claim like this that could just be hand waved away by Belzy? Haha miss me.

I ask this every time someone makes a secondhand claim. Just good habit/practice.

[Millium]

Ok, with this new info, I think Mac shouldn't be top priority. If Belzy is town then Mac has to be town because of Belzy's claimed role (assuming Belzy doesn't dispute this). If Belzy is mafia then I don't really understand why a wolf partner Mac would expose her like this.

I don't know how town Mac screwed up my meta so badly but here we are. Bad game I guess. I'll let Belzy explain herself, in a vacuum I'd go Santy next assuming Belzy's claim isn't outing or anything.

we can agree on this
I would love a wolf game from you so I can try to skim it

[MacDougall]

Given that I'm a big chance of dying tonight anyway I'll just out the fact that Belzy hooded me n1 with a claim that their action was "once per game can target a player, if they are mafia you die, if they are town you get a hood" and I think they are lying about the actual role cuz earlier in the hood I thought it was an every night sort of desperado cop and was making plans for who they might target tonight but then later in the chat they revised their claim to be the former so they let me believe they could target every night til I forced them to confirm their claim.

Sorry if you're town Belzy but you ain't been towny out here, or in there and the fumbling of your role claim mixed with the fact that I'm probs getting a night 2 anyway means that outing this information for the town is optimal.

ok so this explains your previous post
so they didn't open up with the "Once per game" bit?
I mean if u talking to your top town u certainly dont bait them into thinking you have extra shots, also that ability would be insane otherwise

yeah like I was making plans about whether they should hard claim so the town could know who they were targeting tonight in case they die and they were just like oh yeah seems okay etc. and then claimed the role as one shot later lol

[Alison]

If you were to ask me which of dyachei/santygrass is more likely to be mafia for killing a town wrongly, I take dyachei. I think anyone with experience with both would attest to that.

Do you suspect dyachei?

[Alison]

Ok, with this new info, I think Mac shouldn't be top priority. If Belzy is town then Mac has to be town because of Belzy's claimed role (assuming Belzy doesn't dispute this). If Belzy is mafia then I don't really understand why a wolf partner Mac would expose her like this.

I don't know how town Mac screwed up my meta so badly but here we are. Bad game I guess. I'll let Belzy explain herself, in a vacuum I'd go Santy next assuming Belzy's claim isn't outing or anything.

we can agree on this
I would love a wolf game from you so I can try to skim it

King of the Hill. Mountainous archives on The Syndicate.

[MacDougall]

Mac screwing up your meta = Mac surprised that you want to kill Santy?

Your entire scumread on me is predicated on the idea that you think I am surprised that you want to kill Santy for scumreading you?

That is such an egregious misrep it's laughable.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You would also sussing me for no reason before I voted you. Like legit I was hard shielding you and you were like 'yeh they can die' .

And my point is that you should look at my push on you and see tha its fsir in its basis, because it was mostly based on your D1 play but you are choosing to not engage on that and misrepresent me or create lies

1) Nothing about your push makes any logical sense. It is made up. Everyone who isn't mafia or honorary mafia thinks it's made up.

2) The fact that I was pushing you even before you started voting me is evidence against your claim that I am simply OMGUSing btw.

Other people think Santy's argument on you was bad? I'd like to discuss this with these people. Who are they?

What about all the people who have said that they will treat Santy as a suspect if I flip V?

Off the top of my head, Nanook, Lily and dya have said something along those lines. Ender is voting Santy right now.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Lilypetal @dyachei can we chat about this please? I'd like to know what about Santy's Alison case making was illogical as per Alison's statement that you said that it was.

Idc about that

I said I'd look at santy if Alison flips green cause if she does santy mightve tmied her town imo

[MacDougall]

If you were to ask me which of dyachei/santygrass is more likely to be mafia for killing a town wrongly, I take dyachei. I think anyone with experience with both would attest to that.

Do you suspect dyachei?

Bruhhhhhhhh Dya been in like every single solve I've made.

[MacDougall]

You would also sussing me for no reason before I voted you. Like legit I was hard shielding you and you were like 'yeh they can die' .

And my point is that you should look at my push on you and see tha its fsir in its basis, because it was mostly based on your D1 play but you are choosing to not engage on that and misrepresent me or create lies

1) Nothing about your push makes any logical sense. It is made up. Everyone who isn't mafia or honorary mafia thinks it's made up.

2) The fact that I was pushing you even before you started voting me is evidence against your claim that I am simply OMGUSing btw.

Other people think Santy's argument on you was bad? I'd like to discuss this with these people. Who are they?

What about all the people who have said that they will treat Santy as a suspect if I flip V?

Off the top of my head, Nanook, Lily and dya have said something along those lines. Ender is voting Santy right now.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Lilypetal @dyachei can we chat about this please? I'd like to know what about Santy's Alison case making was illogical as per Alison's statement that you said that it was.

Idc about that

I said I'd look at santy if Alison flips green cause if she does santy mightve tmied her town imo

Yeah but you never said that Santy's case on Alison was bad or even commented on it right?

[Seanzie]

Yeah kinda think Belzy needs to fullclaim in the thread.

[Alison]

Neither roles or characters are linked to alignment, but randomly distributed among factions.

So this means that if the dice roll went a different way, the desperado cop could have gone to a mafia. Who essentially has a one shot neighborizor since they'd never target another mafia member.

Hmm. How likely is that to be in the setup.

[MacDougall]

Given that I'm a big chance of dying tonight anyway I'll just out the fact that Belzy hooded me n1 with a claim that their action was "once per game can target a player, if they are mafia you die, if they are town you get a hood" and I think they are lying about the actual role cuz earlier in the hood I thought it was an every night sort of desperado cop and was making plans for who they might target tonight but then later in the chat they revised their claim to be the former so they let me believe they could target every night til I forced them to confirm their claim.

Sorry if you're town Belzy but you ain't been towny out here, or in there and the fumbling of your role claim mixed with the fact that I'm probs getting a night 2 anyway means that outing this information for the town is optimal.

ok so this explains your previous post
so they didn't open up with the "Once per game" bit?
I mean if u talking to your top town u certainly dont bait them into thinking you have extra shots, also that ability would be insane otherwise

Also can we please take a second to note that Ilario literaly called out that I was in a hood with Belzy predicated on next to nothing like... it was an incredible read if Ilario is town lol.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You would also sussing me for no reason before I voted you. Like legit I was hard shielding you and you were like 'yeh they can die' .

And my point is that you should look at my push on you and see tha its fsir in its basis, because it was mostly based on your D1 play but you are choosing to not engage on that and misrepresent me or create lies

1) Nothing about your push makes any logical sense. It is made up. Everyone who isn't mafia or honorary mafia thinks it's made up.

2) The fact that I was pushing you even before you started voting me is evidence against your claim that I am simply OMGUSing btw.

Other people think Santy's argument on you was bad? I'd like to discuss this with these people. Who are they?

What about all the people who have said that they will treat Santy as a suspect if I flip V?

Off the top of my head, Nanook, Lily and dya have said something along those lines. Ender is voting Santy right now.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Lilypetal @dyachei can we chat about this please? I'd like to know what about Santy's Alison case making was illogical as per Alison's statement that you said that it was.

Idc about that

I said I'd look at santy if Alison flips green cause if she does santy mightve tmied her town imo

Yeah but you never said that Santy's case on Alison was bad or even commented on it right?

I don't think so? Idk, i just don't really care about it, tbh I'm not even sure I've read it

[Millium]

Given that I'm a big chance of dying tonight anyway I'll just out the fact that Belzy hooded me n1 with a claim that their action was "once per game can target a player, if they are mafia you die, if they are town you get a hood" and I think they are lying about the actual role cuz earlier in the hood I thought it was an every night sort of desperado cop and was making plans for who they might target tonight but then later in the chat they revised their claim to be the former so they let me believe they could target every night til I forced them to confirm their claim.

Sorry if you're town Belzy but you ain't been towny out here, or in there and the fumbling of your role claim mixed with the fact that I'm probs getting a night 2 anyway means that outing this information for the town is optimal.

ok so this explains your previous post
so they didn't open up with the "Once per game" bit?
I mean if u talking to your top town u certainly dont bait them into thinking you have extra shots, also that ability would be insane otherwise

yeah like I was making plans about whether they should hard claim so the town could know who they were targeting tonight in case they die and they were just like oh yeah seems okay etc. and then claimed the role as one shot later lol

lmao, Ill wait to see how they respond
curious what they were trying to accomplish going with that instead of just saying it from the start

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That said I think its reasonable for Alison to think that given our exchange so

[MacDougall]

1) Nothing about your push makes any logical sense. It is made up. Everyone who isn't mafia or honorary mafia thinks it's made up.

2) The fact that I was pushing you even before you started voting me is evidence against your claim that I am simply OMGUSing btw.

Other people think Santy's argument on you was bad? I'd like to discuss this with these people. Who are they?

What about all the people who have said that they will treat Santy as a suspect if I flip V?

Off the top of my head, Nanook, Lily and dya have said something along those lines. Ender is voting Santy right now.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Lilypetal @dyachei can we chat about this please? I'd like to know what about Santy's Alison case making was illogical as per Alison's statement that you said that it was.

Idc about that

I said I'd look at santy if Alison flips green cause if she does santy mightve tmied her town imo

Yeah but you never said that Santy's case on Alison was bad or even commented on it right?

I don't think so? Idk, i just don't really care about it, tbh I'm not even sure I've read it

Okay so that's one down. Just waiting for Lily and Dya now and then we have Alison caught in another complete lie.

[Millium]

Given that I'm a big chance of dying tonight anyway I'll just out the fact that Belzy hooded me n1 with a claim that their action was "once per game can target a player, if they are mafia you die, if they are town you get a hood" and I think they are lying about the actual role cuz earlier in the hood I thought it was an every night sort of desperado cop and was making plans for who they might target tonight but then later in the chat they revised their claim to be the former so they let me believe they could target every night til I forced them to confirm their claim.

Sorry if you're town Belzy but you ain't been towny out here, or in there and the fumbling of your role claim mixed with the fact that I'm probs getting a night 2 anyway means that outing this information for the town is optimal.

ok so this explains your previous post
so they didn't open up with the "Once per game" bit?
I mean if u talking to your top town u certainly dont bait them into thinking you have extra shots, also that ability would be insane otherwise

Also can we please take a second to note that Ilario literaly called out that I was in a hood with Belzy predicated on next to nothing like... it was an incredible read if Ilario is town lol.

where lol