Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]

[Vivax]

Seems odd to me the whole look at Wilgy/Michelle/Quin flew right over Golden's head, but I can only handle so much tinfoil a day.

It didn’t fly over my head. That’s why I specifically pinged you. I wanted a reaction in the moment but you weren’t around.

I’m just impatient.

I liked how you pinged Quin on D1, not so much how you talked about literally anything else before you gave up.

[Sloonei]

Based upon my sloonei tinfoil breakdown, I think I’m just psyching myself up too much. I feel like there’s so many logical hoops I have to jump through to start reading Sloonei as wolf. Like, the only sticking point (and one that SVS brought up) is that the GMan elimination vote wagonomics were bizarre if Sloonei is a civ. But that can be explained away with weird mafia motivations that don’t have anything to do with sloonei

LoRab elimination wagonomics were also wacky if DH/SVS was civ, and here we are.

I appreciate that I have stopped being widely suspected since slinking away from the game, tho. I am glad that the game seems to be in good hands and it makes my lack of participation these last few phases easier to live with. I apologize (to everyone) again for being a non-entity.

[Scotty]

For the record, when I have been mafia in the past my top priority has been distancing and so-called “anti-spew”, since my old Hyper Aggressive playstyle never lent itself to staying alive for very long.

Since I saw a mention or two of my mafia meta.

Do you think there’s another reason mafia would have killed SVS and not me last night?

What is your suggested reason for the mafia killing svs rather than you?

Well as I said in a previous post when Michelle asked, it could be that SVs was closed down a path than I was. The biggest divergence being her suspicious of Sloonei, and, to a lesser extent, you.

But the more I think about it, a more likely reason is to avoid Kate Break. I was probably the most obvious NK target. And I would expect Kate Break, if still in the game, to go for me last night.

I don’t expect to survive another night.

So it could literally be just a doc dodge of another high profile civ voice.
Or one of you and Sloonei needs more scrutiny.

I can’t imagine Sloonei thinking ‘I’m safe with Scotty’… if I’d been asked who was pursuing Sloonei most in the thread I would have said you long before saying SVS.

I also really think the tinfoil is noise getting in the way at this point. Towncore doesn’t need blind trust but I really think at this point ‘scotty surviving because Sloonei is bad’ is the least likely of about six reasons for the kill I can think of (Kate break being a prominent one).

Given the risk remains that you die tonight, I think your efforts being focused eksewgere would be much more productive.

I don’t think working through legitimate possibilities is noise and I’m sorry you disagree.

[Vivax]

Quin was voting Golden too before late-switching to Michelle.

Maybe revenge for very early bussing.
Stubborn bussing too but finding a single explanation from Golden on what made Quin mafia is hard to find if at all during his ‚early ISO‘

[Golden]

@Michelle Let’s say you’re town- who is in your POE? Like I get you have to defend yourself, but so far I’m mostly seeing nitpicking defending to 2 people that have already voted you.

You know I’m town. Do you think Wilgy is slandering you as a wolf? What is your read on the rest of the players?

Bea didn't post, so everyone said she is in antispew. Obviously, everyone was wrong.
I answered at posts adressed at me with the limited time I had until now and I started the Quin Iso. You say I am nitpicking.
Town violence against town cannot be stopped by logic, I know that much.

I reset my reads. All of them.
Reasons:
I had Wilgy as town but he is pushing me without a reason. What he said that day 1 was not a real suspicion, has little value for me and despite he saying few times that he didn't notice Sloonei's vote, I don't trust that to be true. Wilgy looks like he needs a mischop.
You are the only player I am sure is town.
Golden's vote is lazy.
Sloonei voted Vivax, I belive he didn't know the vote is locked regardless alignament.
Vivax posted that idea about me shading you, it was probably a honest mistake and NAI. At least he had an attempt at solving.
Sig, Elo and DF are utr.

I am looking at the hour, is 23:24.
I want to try to solve though, that's the best part of the game for me

My vote is lazy? I literally went and did associative reads for you and DF.

[Michelle]

I am very tired, probably can't resist until Eod

I reread how Wilgy started his push on me, and now I see the progression he made, with little explanation who doesn't hold water. I see he isn't really inrerested in solving, pushing me today again, even if it's obvious that my yday wagon had 2 votes coming from scum agenda.

He distanced himself from Quin, but pushed Bea for the reason she was in antispew and now he voted for another mischop

[sig]

Is the vote count still

2 Michelle
1 vivax

[Vivax]

[quote=Golden post_id=966868 time=1666912147 user_id=382]
Has @G-Man posted today?

@Elohcin did being close to lynch give you any insight

@Quin - no questions. But you do one major Scotty/eloh thing and it feels like you’ve been coasting ever since. I remember there was a game where I was mafia and I was false reading you as mafia, and you were far more reactive and defensive, feels like your approach to suspicion is to go quiet and hope I start looking elsewhere (don’t remember what game it was though) [vote]Quin[/vote]
[/quote]

This one maybe. Bit of a lukewarm accusation.
Really need to reread that entire day LoraB got zonked

[Golden]

Why is no one here?

'Michelle you didn't interact with Quin. '
I don't remember to see Quin posting.

In this day, every single time when I posted i was alone itt.
So mafia is happy with a new mischop and town don't want to know anything about the game.

So Golden wasn‘t trusting Quin on D1 but backed off from expanding on it saying ‚shrug, nobody thinks the same as I do‘, Sloonei claimed hard townread

Wilgy on the other hand seemed content with having you as the sorta obvious option, which you mentioned.

Would that make sense to you? Or do you have other players as suspects.

I think you are misunderstanding my post significantly.

I did not suspect Quin less because others didn’t see it the same way as me. Yes I backed off - I have a history of trying to lead the thread and tunnelling. Me doing stuff like *listening* instead is something I’m deliberately trying to ge better at in this new mafia life. But backing off and listening is not the same as changing my read.

My read of Quin changed the period of time when sloonei reiterated a hard clear of Quin for about the fourth time and when Sloonei backed off on the read.

And if you’ve been following the role I think Sloonei has, you’d understand why.

Once it was cleared up for me that Sloonei wasn’t hard defending Quin, I was quite focused on him again.

[sig]

Lastly, claiming I'm not hunting is just malarkey.

Okay Joe calm down and like idk use the CIA to spy and figure this game out

[Golden]

Also it’s not true that I backed off from expanding on it. I explained what I didn’t like about Quin.

[sig]

I tend to think the only world where Michelle isn’t bad is one where sig and df are trying to utr this.

What’s utr?

[sig]

Based upon my sloonei tinfoil breakdown, I think I’m just psyching myself up too much. I feel like there’s so many logical hoops I have to jump through to start reading Sloonei as wolf. Like, the only sticking point (and one that SVS brought up) is that the GMan elimination vote wagonomics were bizarre if Sloonei is a civ. But that can be explained away with weird mafia motivations that don’t have anything to do with sloonei

I can’t recall the pushing for Quin early on I seem to recall Sloonie voters heir then dipped.


If Michelle isn’t mafia that makes sloonie look worse imo but not as bad as vivax

If she is mafia I’m at a bit of a loss for teammate four. I guess that’s when we deal with DF.


But, overall I’ll say I could se Sloonie being bad but it’s also a tin foil theory

[Vivax]

Also it’s not true that I backed off from expanding on it. I explained what I didn’t like about Quin.

You swaggered how many games you solved off D1s.
Please give some solving ?

[Golden]

Seems odd to me the whole look at Wilgy/Michelle/Quin flew right over Golden's head, but I can only handle so much tinfoil a day.

It didn’t fly over my head. That’s why I specifically pinged you. I wanted a reaction in the moment but you weren’t around.

I’m just impatient.

I liked how you pinged Quin on D1, not so much how you talked about literally anything else before you gave up.

I don’t understand this comment

[Golden]

Also it’s not true that I backed off from expanding on it. I explained what I didn’t like about Quin.

You swaggered how many games you solved off D1s.
Please give some solving ?

I have no idea what you are getting at or what you want from me.

I’ve done plenty of solving this game including today.

[Golden]

I tend to think the only world where Michelle isn’t bad is one where sig and df are trying to utr this.

What’s utr?

Under the radar

[Golden]

Vivax, I’m neurodiverse. I don’t always deal with implication we’ll. If there’s something about my behaviour that you want a particular response to, I might need you to spell it out more. Sorry!

[Vivax]

And here’s the truth, just not doing much was kinda successsful because my brain got bored and started looking at other people. Which I need to do as well, but I can see how I would fall away from voting you through entropy rather than actually suspecting you less, and that’s the problem.

Entropy!

Successsful typo in post suggests Golden could be one of our reptilian liar overlords

[Golden]

Quin was voting Golden too before late-switching to Michelle.

Maybe revenge for very early bussing.
Stubborn bussing too but finding a single explanation from Golden on what made Quin mafia is hard to find if at all during his ‚early ISO‘

I can’t iso myself on phone but happy to deal with this, from my day one iso, and also in more depth if requested, if we’re both in the next day phase.

[Golden]

Has @G-Man posted today?

@Elohcin did being close to lynch give you any insight

@Quin - no questions. But you do one major Scotty/eloh thing and it feels like you’ve been coasting ever since. I remember there was a game where I was mafia and I was false reading you as mafia, and you were far more reactive and defensive, feels like your approach to suspicion is to go quiet and hope I start looking elsewhere (don’t remember what game it was though) [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

This one maybe. Bit of a lukewarm accusation.
Really need to reread that entire day LoraB got zonked

No, I was all over him like a rash,

He was calling stuff ‘substantial’ that just wasn’t and absolutely wouldn’t elaborate on his reads.

He pushed into scotty/eloh to look busy at the exclusion of anything else.

There was plenty problematic on day one.

[Vivax]

If Quin had a gold allergy, why‘d he go on a Llama hunting safari ?

[Golden]

And here’s the truth, just not doing much was kinda successsful because my brain got bored and started looking at other people. Which I need to do as well, but I can see how I would fall away from voting you through entropy rather than actually suspecting you less, and that’s the problem.

Entropy!

Successsful typo in post suggests Golden could be one of our reptilian liar overlords

I’m dyslexic

[Golden]

You have no idea how much hard work I was putting in to not make typos because I don’t see my own typos easily and I transpose letters often.

[Vivax]

You have no idea how much hard work I was putting in to not make typos because I don’t see my own typos easily and I transpose letters often.

Your writing is good enough that you don‘t look dyslexic.
Either way, I don‘t plan to make fun of that.

You sure you don‘t have a rare case of the shining over there?

[Scotty]

Has @G-Man posted today?

@Elohcin did being close to lynch give you any insight

@Quin - no questions. But you do one major Scotty/eloh thing and it feels like you’ve been coasting ever since. I remember there was a game where I was mafia and I was false reading you as mafia, and you were far more reactive and defensive, feels like your approach to suspicion is to go quiet and hope I start looking elsewhere (don’t remember what game it was though) [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

This one maybe. Bit of a lukewarm accusation.
Really need to reread that entire day LoraB got zonked

No, I was all over him like a rash,

He was calling stuff ‘substantial’ that just wasn’t and absolutely wouldn’t elaborate on his reads.

He pushed into scotty/eloh to look busy at the exclusion of anything else.

There was plenty problematic on day one.

I will attest to this narrative and, after knowing the superior role utility that Quin had, I can see mafia trying to do the opposite of what Golden did D1.

[Scotty]

You have no idea how much hard work I was putting in to not make typos because I don’t see my own typos easily and I transpose letters often.

Your writing is good enough that you don‘t look dyslexic.
Either way, I don‘t plan to make fun of that.

You sure you don‘t have a rare case of the shining over there?

Too much work and no play and all that

[Golden]

You have no idea how much hard work I was putting in to not make typos because I don’t see my own typos easily and I transpose letters often.

Your writing is good enough that you don‘t look dyslexic.
Either way, I don‘t plan to make fun of that.

You sure you don‘t have a rare case of the shining over there?

I want to be really clear about this.

More than half your posts in the last couple of hours (including this one) I literally don’t understand.

I don’t know what you’re asking. I need more directness.

As for ‘not looking dyslexic’. I try not to look dyslexic. It’s easier when I write on a computer than in handwriting, for sure… and autocorrect can help but sometimes hinder.

I probably made the post you quoted on pc not phone so I didn’t get the autocorrect assistance.

I guess what I’m telling you is that typos for me are NAI but in this particular game, that it took me so long to make one is actually a thing. You don’t have to believe that.

[Vivax]

The typo one was a joke. An extra S doesn‘t make anyone sscum

[Scotty]

This page has been enlightening.

Golden is my deep deep wolf, but it’s so deep that I’d have to be smacked in the face with a fish repeatedly at f3 to want to push him over.

He says all the right things, and his suspicions don’t make for a lot of happy mafia teammates. If he is wolf, he distinctly plays his own game and takes off his gloves. I just…I don’t wanna see it

POE is getting smaller

[Golden]

This is IRL stuff and I’m not asking for it to be a crutch or change your read, just please note that regardless of alignment it affects how I engage. I’m not offended/bothered by being suspected for things that are within the range of things that can be explained by my neurodiversity - it’s an explanation, not a defence, so please don’t feel like you have to treat me too differently.

But some accomodations are useful in terms of your actual ability to hunt out my alignment.

[Golden]

The typo one was a joke. An extra S doesn‘t make anyone sscum

Oh lol.

Yeah see this stuff can fly over my head. I was just confused at the read.

[Michelle]

Before going to sleep I will vote

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

The case is in my posts, but to say it again I see he is pushing and voting now for a new mischop after Bea, and his game behaviour changed after the second wolf flip because the wolves need now their full voice, also he pretend he didn't notice the locked votes today even if Sloonei's post is on the same page, less than 10 posts above.
Of course he will show how he pushed Quin, but i can see that as a well done distancing performance.

[sig]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

[Scotty]

Before going to sleep I will vote

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

The case is in my posts, but to say it again I see he is pushing and voting now for a new mischop after Bea, and his game behaviour changed after the second wolf flip because the wolves need now their full voice, also he pretend he didn't notice the locked votes today even if Sloonei's post is on the same page, less than 10 posts above.
Of course he will show how he pushed Quin, but i can see that as a well done distancing performance.

Quick- before you go to bed- how do you feel about sig?
Spark notes version

[sig]

I tend to think the only world where Michelle isn’t bad is one where sig and df are trying to utr this.

What’s utr?

Under the radar

I don’t think I’m really playing an under the radar game. But, I can see that for DF. More inclined to think he just doesn’t have the time though.

[sig]

Before going to sleep I will vote

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

The case is in my posts, but to say it again I see he is pushing and voting now for a new mischop after Bea, and his game behaviour changed after the second wolf flip because the wolves need now their full voice, also he pretend he didn't notice the locked votes today even if Sloonei's post is on the same page, less than 10 posts above.
Of course he will show how he pushed Quin, but i can see that as a well done distancing performance.

Quick- before you go to bed- how do you feel about sig?
Spark notes version

I think he’s probably the best most important player in the game. 100% a civ 100% the hero and 100% right on everything

[sig]

In fact I’d put my mafia life on the line and say if Sig isn’t town vote for me

[Scotty]

Updated vote count with 1 hour 40 min left in day 6:

Sloonei -> Vivax
Wilgy -> Michelle
Scotty -> Michelle
Golden -> Michelle
Michelle -> Wilgy
sig -> Michelle

Michelle (4)
Vivax (1)
Wilgy (1)

[Scotty]

In fact I’d put my mafia life on the line and say if Sig isn’t town vote for me

sounds legit

[Vivax]

Because silent nights:

It‘s important to have Wilgy explain why not Golden and for Golden the why not Wilgy or why Michelle.

[sig]

Actually though I just had a thought.

I’m now back to thinking DF is a civ and stay with me here got his vote stolen last phase.


There’s no way we ended in a Quin lynch unless that was the case correct?

It was 5 v 5

Quin 5 players

Michelle 4 player + 1 non player

Remove one vote from a Quin voter and suddenly it’s 4 to 5 remove one vote from Michelle and it’s the same way.

That means either a protection was in play or DF lost his vote and mafia wouldn’t take a mafia members vote even an inactive one.

[sig]

Actually though I just had a thought.

I’m now back to thinking DF is a civ and stay with me here got his vote stolen last phase.


There’s no way we ended in a Quin lynch unless that was the case correct?

It was 5 v 5

Quin 5 players

Michelle 4 player + 1 non player

Remove one vote from a Quin voter and suddenly it’s 4 to 5 remove one vote from Michelle and it’s the same way.

That means either a protection was in play or DF lost his vote and mafia wouldn’t take a mafia members vote even an inactive one.

Unless thered some a double voter but I didn’t see that in the role lists

[Scotty]

Updated vote count with 1 hour 40 min left in day 6:

Sloonei -> Vivax
Wilgy -> Michelle
Scotty -> Michelle
Golden -> Michelle
Michelle -> Wilgy
sig -> Michelle

Michelle (4)
Vivax (1)
Wilgy (1)

Unless DF and Elo show up to vote Wilgy and Vivax joins them, looks like Michelle is the one gone today.

I do hope Michelle is a hit and even if she is not, I don’t think we’re in a terrible place.

Though it would be nice for 2 potential civs to….be here.

@DFaraday @Elohcin

[Michelle]

It was nice to play with all of you, no hard feelings for mischopping me

[Golden]

Because silent nights:

It‘s important to have Wilgy explain why not Golden and for Golden the why not Wilgy or why Michelle.

It’s not important that I explain why *not* wilgy… I’m lynching who I think *is* mafia.

Michelle > wilgy for me. I read Scotty’s Michelle/Quin interactions and did my own Michelle/G-Man interactions. She looks compatible to me.

I’ve had good vibes on wilgy this game and his votes on g and Quin are good… not determinative. I also like the way he’s been sheeping sloonei. Seems like for some people, Sloonei is a good person to sheep.

[Scotty]

Actually though I just had a thought.

I’m now back to thinking DF is a civ and stay with me here got his vote stolen last phase.


There’s no way we ended in a Quin lynch unless that was the case correct?

It was 5 v 5

Quin 5 players

Michelle 4 player + 1 non player

Remove one vote from a Quin voter and suddenly it’s 4 to 5 remove one vote from Michelle and it’s the same way.

That means either a protection was in play or DF lost his vote and mafia wouldn’t take a mafia members vote even an inactive one.

Michelle (5)
Voters: Matahari, Quin, Vivax, S~V~S, Scotty

Quin (5)
Voters: Sloonei, Golden, Michelle, sig, DrWilgy

Or one of SVS, Vivax or myself had their vote stolen, and DF has nothing to do with it.

[Golden]

Wilgy could be bad and I’m open to the misread but I’m more convinced by Michelle than wilgy.

[Vivax]

Updated vote count with 1 hour 40 min left in day 6:

Sloonei -> Vivax
Wilgy -> Michelle
Scotty -> Michelle
Golden -> Michelle
Michelle -> Wilgy
sig -> Michelle

Michelle (4)
Vivax (1)
Wilgy (1)

Unless DF and Elo show up to vote Wilgy and Vivax joins them, looks like Michelle is the one gone today.

I do hope Michelle is a hit and even if she is not, I don’t think we’re in a terrible place.

Though it would be nice for 2 potential civs to….be here.

@DFaraday @Elohcin

The fine print is that Elo and Fara aren‘t really participating with their votes yet.

So I‘m not sure that it‘s such a good place.

[Scotty]

It was nice to play with all of you, no hard feelings for mischopping me

Sorry if you’re good Michelle.

Any last words on sig?