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There’s also town-based sources for that in this game, though. For all I know you cop checked soneji (don’t confirm or deny that). But TMI is often seen as wolfy, because wolves can have difficulty faking lack of knowledge.
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Fair enough. I think it killed town because soneji id town not because we built consensus.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:31 amI am 99.8% sure I said it was gonna kill a town yes
Interesting. If this isn’t angry, I fear for what she sounds like agitated,Kate wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:24 amI felt rox was playing her civ game. She's angrier or "rougher" when she's mafia and there was enough ammo listed in her thread to make her mad. Based on that, I trusted her read of splints, who is her BFF.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:22 amlolKate wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:34 pmOk so if we give some credence to Rox showing up and posting, we temporarily remove rox and splints. I'm not crazy about voting Neon. And I know Mata has been very sick so I'm not comfortable going there today.
That leaves:
Scotty
Soneji and
Falcon.
What do you think of that list?
Well here’s where things went wrong:
Why did you remove Roxy and splints from contention just for showing up?
So TMI is like, leaking info other people aren't supposed yo know you have? Because I totally get how people see that. The only argument I have is that Soneji seemed good, Wild Dennis took over and went defensive mode, and that's what came out. Yes I was strong with my defense, I didn't want Soneji gone.
Falcon coming in to today voting splints because he smelled some potent smell of vanilla on her or whatever reason he has to vote her makes me feel like those 2 are not w/w. Leaning that way anyway, though voting for your partner at start of day for cred isn’t out of ordinary. Splints might not gain traction and he could just slip off if so.
My little mind doesn't see anyway we are looking at bad svs. You agree with me don't you?
Well actually I won't amend it cause they are in the new thing already but that should've been included in the section of never been on maj wagon until d3Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:32 amFor the same reason Soneji wasn't until it was pointed out to me.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:57 amWhy was splints not even included in your data collection? Like, she was never in any of your cluster groups. Why is that?Neon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:15 pmGoing back to this again I do note that Soneji didn't vote day 1 and was on Lucy day 2 so they should be added to Neon, Bea, Falcon, Roxy, SonejiNeon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:07 pmgolden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy of these I think the most likely hit is SeanNeon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:15 pmTo go further into what I personally think we can get out of this and what I'm looking at personally when I analyze the raw dataKate wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:15 amI really like this post. What can we do with it? Neon I'm so glad you're here. Don't worry @S~V~S and @Golden I still fangirl you two topsies but neon has entered the chat...Neon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:28 am D1:
Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy
Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty
Splints (1): Bea
Golden (1): Falcon
Roxy (1): Roxy
D2:
Sabi (7): Sean, Kate, Scotty, Golden, Mata, Lucy, SVS
Lucy (3): Splints, Dennis, Soneji
Golden (1): Sabi
Seanzie (1): Neon
Someji (1): Falcon
Never been wagoned at EoD (8): Bea, Dennis, Falcon, Neon, Kate, Mata, SVS, Scotty
People on both Maj wagons (4): Golden, Sean, SVS, Lucy
People only on Wilgz (1): Dennis
People only on Sabi (3): Kate, Scotty, Mata
People never on the Maj wagon (4): Neon, Bea, Falcon, Roxy
I think there's never more than 1 wolf that votes on both maj wagons so at most there's one in Golden, Sean, SVS, Lucy
I TR SVS and Lucy so I think at most one in Sean and Golden and would you look at that this last page solidified that for me lol. It's possible it's none though.
I think there's 1 on Wilgz at least but probably exactly one unless Sean is wolf. Which is one in golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy. Which continues that same trend.
Regardless of Sean's alignment I think there's no more than one in Kate Myself and Scotty and probably exactly one in all scenarios.
I think there's a wolf in the 8 who have never has a vote at EoD which is just duh Level analysis but whatever at least one in Bea, Dennis, Falcon, Neon, Kate, Mata, SVS, Scotty
At most one in the group who have never made a stand Neon, Bea, Falcon, Roxy.
I think there's only ever one in Kate, Scotty, Mata
And i think Dennis might be the deep wolf and if Sean flips Red I'm going all in on Dennis.
Is that analysis enough for you Sean?
Kate Myself and Scotty of these I think the most likely hit is Scotty
Bea, Dennis, Falcon, Neon, Kate, Mata, SVS, Scotty of these I think the most likely hit is Mata followed by Scotty
Neon, Bea, Falcon, Roxy of these I think the most likely hit is a toss up of Roxy/Falcon but honestly I think none
Kate, Scotty, Mata of these I think the most likely hit is Scotty
So logic should dictate that I choose to hit in Sean/ Scotty/Mata
In this instance I think the most likely hit is Soneji and that they are far more likely than anyone else in this list so my PoE today is looking
Sean/ Scotty/Mata/Soneji.
I won't vote outside this.
People who didn't vote on one of the days didn't get moved into groups because I didn't see their name twice.
And i didn't notice.
So i will amend that
Take yesterday for instance, presumably a bunch of civs guessed/analyzed that soneji was most likely bad. Suddenly, one player refuses to wagon and defends, and ultimately votes elsewhere. When soneji flipped civ, the assumption would or could be that said defender has TMI, or in other words, is bad and there KNOWS soneji is civ.Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:38 amSo TMI is like, leaking info other people aren't supposed yo know you have? Because I totally get how people see that. The only argument I have is that Soneji seemed good, Wild Dennis took over and went defensive mode, and that's what came out. Yes I was strong with my defense, I didn't want Soneji gone.
Context is important. But point taken, I think both aren’t exactly town-positive moves. I’m more suspicious of off voters from the wagon too.
It's not our last chance to get a wolf thoughDennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:59 amI can't really argue with this but I'll try my darndest. I don't think my doc praise was necessarily 'overhype' but I think it's a little wild that doc saved someone twice in a row and wanted to express that.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:48 amI'm not good at words so let me try my best.
Your opening feels like a wolf trying to cover themself with the over hype doc praise followed by more cover for yourself because you immediately push suspicion onto looking only on the top wagon for scum a wagon you were firmly against.
That cover protects you the deep wolf and your team because the chances we hit correct in a 7 person pool are well 1 in 7 but if we focused off wagon that pool becomes 1 in 5 and it's almost certain all wolfs didn't stack on Soneji.
Oh and your firm anti Soneji position also reeks of TMI but also makes me think the other wagons that were close when Soneji started to take off also were town. I know I'm town and I was one of them.
I immediately pushed suspicion cuz this day feels pretty important, like this is our second or last chance to get a wolf, and I want to make the most of it by saying 'hey, these 6 people like almost definitely have a wolf' and others have said that point too. Do we not have more leads on the people in Soneji wagon than out?
I need someone to give me an explanation of TMI because my context clue skills are clearly not cutting it. It means too much information, I know that, but I don't understand the context it's meant to be used in. What do you mean 'close when Soneji started to take off'? Like wagons who has 2 votes?
its not you’re fault. Take it from me, a stranger, that stuff happens and you might be blamed for it. Just don’t absorb that, and know that it’s not the end of the world.lucy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:13 am i don’t have enough spoons for this game right now, brother broke his hand and grandma fell and hit her forehead on the floor. now my parents are being stupidly biased against me for stupid fucking events that are out of my control and my finals are next week and i’m just super stressed out, i’m super surprised i’m not having a panic attack right now, it’s actually strange that i’m thinking logically
@Neon I think this is what you wanted?Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:35 pmWhy would Soneji defend Neon with a after she got called out for adding herself in her towncore? Especially bringing into the equation of different site cultures doesn't make any sense if Soneji is wolf and Neon is town, when it seemed like (to me) that Golden was suspicious of Neon.Soneji wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:16 am The logical assumption is that someone includes themselves among their towncore by default so it's unnecessary and potentially performative to list themselves, because either they know they're town from their rolecard, or they know they need to fake being town from their rolecard. One doesn't normally include themselves in readslist as they cannot make a read on their own alignment which is a known factor to them, and either they know they're town or need to fake it. The need for anti-town to fake being town is what subconsciously can cause them to want to project "I AM TOWN" at every opportunity, hence listing themselves in towncores/townreads lists. It is common enough for actual townies, especially from certain site cultures, to list themselves in such things so it's not a hard wolf tell, but it can be a soft tell when alongside other performative town projection examples.
This is just shutting down conversations that were off topic.
This is analysis and I like it.Soneji wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:00 am The first group is rightly calling for accountability from the Wilgy voters, while the second has every reason to not want to rock the boat. Dennis is a newbie, what narrative is he going to try and control? Plus several players rushed to proclaim him townie for his EoD. Seanzie just narrowly escaped the noose, of course they'd avoid a thunder dome. SVS does look good from how they explained their vote, and how they wanted a tie.
I don't think a wolf would bring this up, because why explain your strategy to the entire thread?Soneji wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:31 am I'm still reading through parts of the thread but I want to bring forth a thought on the set-up that could certainly have an effect on wolves mindset in this game. I didn't see wolves win condition listed anywhere but assuming it's to reach vote parity, or even just killing all town, then so long as all three members are alive then they win as soon as there are only five town members left due to being able to vote silence two townies each night. At that point town can only tie elim votes, so has no path to winning. So more than normal wolves will want to ensure all members make it to endgame, and keeping the Lawyer alive is top priority as even with just one other wolf they lower the number needed for vote parity. Bussing is very unlikely, and hard defenses of packmates very likely.
I dunno, it's just all of their posts in general I agree with but these were a few examples. Maybe in the 3rd one I'm being convinced by them explaining I don't know what I'm doing still but other than that it's just everything. Now please answer my question.
But that's not considering the mafia's ability to candle votes.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:53 amIt's not our last chance to get a wolf thoughDennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:59 amI can't really argue with this but I'll try my darndest. I don't think my doc praise was necessarily 'overhype' but I think it's a little wild that doc saved someone twice in a row and wanted to express that.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:48 amI'm not good at words so let me try my best.
Your opening feels like a wolf trying to cover themself with the over hype doc praise followed by more cover for yourself because you immediately push suspicion onto looking only on the top wagon for scum a wagon you were firmly against.
That cover protects you the deep wolf and your team because the chances we hit correct in a 7 person pool are well 1 in 7 but if we focused off wagon that pool becomes 1 in 5 and it's almost certain all wolfs didn't stack on Soneji.
Oh and your firm anti Soneji position also reeks of TMI but also makes me think the other wagons that were close when Soneji started to take off also were town. I know I'm town and I was one of them.
I immediately pushed suspicion cuz this day feels pretty important, like this is our second or last chance to get a wolf, and I want to make the most of it by saying 'hey, these 6 people like almost definitely have a wolf' and others have said that point too. Do we not have more leads on the people in Soneji wagon than out?
I need someone to give me an explanation of TMI because my context clue skills are clearly not cutting it. It means too much information, I know that, but I don't understand the context it's meant to be used in. What do you mean 'close when Soneji started to take off'? Like wagons who has 2 votes?
It's 10 v 3 I think
So on the worst case d5 is 8 v 3 d6 is 6 v 3 d7 is 4 v 3
At worst we have at least 4 days left.
Outside of that TMI basically means you have more info than a town should have. A wolf often slips tmi because a wolf obviously knows everyone's alignment where as a town doesn't.
I asked you to explain your vote on Falcon and you never really could give me a solid reason why other than your very high level of confidence that Soneji was town but you also never expressed any Soneji was town. Can you show me posts that made you think Soneji was most certainly town?
Really? His answers today made me go from hitting tennis balls to hitting golf balls with my tennis racket.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:16 amI’m gonna give you an answer that assumes you’re town.
Because it’s easy for a wolf to know a wagon is town and feel confident they shouldn’t get on it.
Your answers today relieve my anxiety somewhat but my very first thought when soneji flipped town was ‘oh no, is it Dennis?’
We both know you wouldn't do that, I'm the favorite.Kate wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:58 amWhat if I keep jack and neon?
I was under the impression keeping people guessing was a good thing.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:57 amReally? His answers today made me go from hitting tennis balls to hitting golf balls with my tennis racket.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:16 amI’m gonna give you an answer that assumes you’re town.
Because it’s easy for a wolf to know a wagon is town and feel confident they shouldn’t get on it.
Your answers today relieve my anxiety somewhat but my very first thought when soneji flipped town was ‘oh no, is it Dennis?’
I think it killed a town because it's excessively easy to manipulate town into a consensus on a town and consensus wagons are anti town.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:36 amFair enough. I think it killed town because soneji id town not because we built consensus.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:31 amI am 99.8% sure I said it was gonna kill a town yes
am under the impression*. I still believe that.Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:59 amI was under the impression keeping people guessing was a good thing.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:57 amReally? His answers today made me go from hitting tennis balls to hitting golf balls with my tennis racket.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:16 amI’m gonna give you an answer that assumes you’re town.
Because it’s easy for a wolf to know a wagon is town and feel confident they shouldn’t get on it.
Your answers today relieve my anxiety somewhat but my very first thought when soneji flipped town was ‘oh no, is it Dennis?’
Yes…I had hoped that as well. She took her bag and bounced lol. I just don’t think forum mafia is for her. She can sure kick my ass in hidden traitor games in RL tho.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:19 amI always hoped OptOutside would return one dayScotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:17 am@Roxy Can I see a link to your survivor game?? I had no idea anyone had done one before I did it like 6 years ago.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:49 pmRabbits lost game had 50 people! All kinds of different threads and location based chats. That was a lot of fun and very innovative, like your Survivor game. All those trivia challenges, they were hard.
Yes thanks I'll look at it ^^Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:56 am@Neon I think this is what you wanted?Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:35 pmWhy would Soneji defend Neon with a after she got called out for adding herself in her towncore? Especially bringing into the equation of different site cultures doesn't make any sense if Soneji is wolf and Neon is town, when it seemed like (to me) that Golden was suspicious of Neon.Soneji wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:16 am The logical assumption is that someone includes themselves among their towncore by default so it's unnecessary and potentially performative to list themselves, because either they know they're town from their rolecard, or they know they need to fake being town from their rolecard. One doesn't normally include themselves in readslist as they cannot make a read on their own alignment which is a known factor to them, and either they know they're town or need to fake it. The need for anti-town to fake being town is what subconsciously can cause them to want to project "I AM TOWN" at every opportunity, hence listing themselves in towncores/townreads lists. It is common enough for actual townies, especially from certain site cultures, to list themselves in such things so it's not a hard wolf tell, but it can be a soft tell when alongside other performative town projection examples.
This is just shutting down conversations that were off topic.
This is analysis and I like it.Soneji wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:00 am The first group is rightly calling for accountability from the Wilgy voters, while the second has every reason to not want to rock the boat. Dennis is a newbie, what narrative is he going to try and control? Plus several players rushed to proclaim him townie for his EoD. Seanzie just narrowly escaped the noose, of course they'd avoid a thunder dome. SVS does look good from how they explained their vote, and how they wanted a tie.
I don't think a wolf would bring this up, because why explain your strategy to the entire thread?Soneji wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:31 am I'm still reading through parts of the thread but I want to bring forth a thought on the set-up that could certainly have an effect on wolves mindset in this game. I didn't see wolves win condition listed anywhere but assuming it's to reach vote parity, or even just killing all town, then so long as all three members are alive then they win as soon as there are only five town members left due to being able to vote silence two townies each night. At that point town can only tie elim votes, so has no path to winning. So more than normal wolves will want to ensure all members make it to endgame, and keeping the Lawyer alive is top priority as even with just one other wolf they lower the number needed for vote parity. Bussing is very unlikely, and hard defenses of packmates very likely.
I dunno, it's just all of their posts in general I agree with but these were a few examples. Maybe in the 3rd one I'm being convinced by them explaining I don't know what I'm doing still but other than that it's just everything. Now please answer my question.
If anything I get the feeling you’re very self aware of how you appear,
Sure.
You did, I just backread that an hour agoNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:31 amI am 99.8% sure I said it was gonna kill a town yes
maybe she can come play the mole when Daisy and I do itScotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:00 amYes…I had hoped that as well. She took her bag and bounced lol. I just don’t think forum mafia is for her. She can sure kick my ass in hidden traitor games in RL tho.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:19 amI always hoped OptOutside would return one dayScotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:17 am@Roxy Can I see a link to your survivor game?? I had no idea anyone had done one before I did it like 6 years ago.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:49 pmRabbits lost game had 50 people! All kinds of different threads and location based chats. That was a lot of fun and very innovative, like your Survivor game. All those trivia challenges, they were hard.
Well now like 4 people have explained it to me but I appreciate it nonetheless. But wouldn't the wolves want to blend in with the crowd naturally? Taking a stand like I did against like half of the game practically puts a spotlight on them. Is TMI like a newbie thing then (generally) and by coincidence is why I'm being accused of it?Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:07 amSure.
Scenario; you are wolf. You know Soneji is town, so you preemptively state in thread that you really feel Soneji is a bad choice for lynch.
That is Too Much Information.
It’s a buzzword that can be thrown around too to describe situations like that, when in reality you could jus be a town expressing your opinion. But to a wolf, it’s not an opinion.
I should point out that worst case with both deleters in play could actually be a loss in N6 if we don’t catch any wolves before then.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:53 amIt's not our last chance to get a wolf thoughDennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:59 amI can't really argue with this but I'll try my darndest. I don't think my doc praise was necessarily 'overhype' but I think it's a little wild that doc saved someone twice in a row and wanted to express that.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:48 amI'm not good at words so let me try my best.
Your opening feels like a wolf trying to cover themself with the over hype doc praise followed by more cover for yourself because you immediately push suspicion onto looking only on the top wagon for scum a wagon you were firmly against.
That cover protects you the deep wolf and your team because the chances we hit correct in a 7 person pool are well 1 in 7 but if we focused off wagon that pool becomes 1 in 5 and it's almost certain all wolfs didn't stack on Soneji.
Oh and your firm anti Soneji position also reeks of TMI but also makes me think the other wagons that were close when Soneji started to take off also were town. I know I'm town and I was one of them.
I immediately pushed suspicion cuz this day feels pretty important, like this is our second or last chance to get a wolf, and I want to make the most of it by saying 'hey, these 6 people like almost definitely have a wolf' and others have said that point too. Do we not have more leads on the people in Soneji wagon than out?
I need someone to give me an explanation of TMI because my context clue skills are clearly not cutting it. It means too much information, I know that, but I don't understand the context it's meant to be used in. What do you mean 'close when Soneji started to take off'? Like wagons who has 2 votes?
It's 10 v 3 I think
So on the worst case d5 is 8 v 3 d6 is 6 v 3 d7 is 4 v 3
At worst we have at least 4 days left.
Outside of that TMI basically means you have more info than a town should have. A wolf often slips tmi because a wolf obviously knows everyone's alignment where as a town doesn't.
I asked you to explain your vote on Falcon and you never really could give me a solid reason why other than your very high level of confidence that Soneji was town but you also never expressed any Soneji was town. Can you show me posts that made you think Soneji was most certainly town?
Y’all flirtin with potential ER bills and I’m not here for it
I only promised to bite it.
lol I tried to get her to watch The Mole on…Netflix I think? Supposed to be a remake of the original awesome show. Nah. It was awful and filled with wannabe actors and terrible acting.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:10 ammaybe she can come play the mole when Daisy and I do itScotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:00 amYes…I had hoped that as well. She took her bag and bounced lol. I just don’t think forum mafia is for her. She can sure kick my ass in hidden traitor games in RL tho.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:19 amI always hoped OptOutside would return one dayScotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:17 am@Roxy Can I see a link to your survivor game?? I had no idea anyone had done one before I did it like 6 years ago.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:49 pmRabbits lost game had 50 people! All kinds of different threads and location based chats. That was a lot of fun and very innovative, like your Survivor game. All those trivia challenges, they were hard.
Nah, TMI can happen to any wolf. Some are perhaps more skilled at concealing it. It goes hand in hand with perspective slip too. But we start going into mafia game theory which is way over my head.Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:11 amWell now like 4 people have explained it to me but I appreciate it nonetheless. But wouldn't the wolves want to blend in with the crowd naturally? Taking a stand like I did against like half of the game practically puts a spotlight on them. Is TMI like a newbie thing then (generally) and by coincidence is why I'm being accused of it?Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:07 amSure.
Scenario; you are wolf. You know Soneji is town, so you preemptively state in thread that you really feel Soneji is a bad choice for lynch.
That is Too Much Information.
It’s a buzzword that can be thrown around too to describe situations like that, when in reality you could jus be a town expressing your opinion. But to a wolf, it’s not an opinion.
Yeah this is the correct math.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:16 amI should point out that worst case with both deleters in play could actually be a loss in N6 if we don’t catch any wolves before then.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:53 amIt's not our last chance to get a wolf thoughDennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:59 amI can't really argue with this but I'll try my darndest. I don't think my doc praise was necessarily 'overhype' but I think it's a little wild that doc saved someone twice in a row and wanted to express that.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:48 amI'm not good at words so let me try my best.
Your opening feels like a wolf trying to cover themself with the over hype doc praise followed by more cover for yourself because you immediately push suspicion onto looking only on the top wagon for scum a wagon you were firmly against.
That cover protects you the deep wolf and your team because the chances we hit correct in a 7 person pool are well 1 in 7 but if we focused off wagon that pool becomes 1 in 5 and it's almost certain all wolfs didn't stack on Soneji.
Oh and your firm anti Soneji position also reeks of TMI but also makes me think the other wagons that were close when Soneji started to take off also were town. I know I'm town and I was one of them.
I immediately pushed suspicion cuz this day feels pretty important, like this is our second or last chance to get a wolf, and I want to make the most of it by saying 'hey, these 6 people like almost definitely have a wolf' and others have said that point too. Do we not have more leads on the people in Soneji wagon than out?
I need someone to give me an explanation of TMI because my context clue skills are clearly not cutting it. It means too much information, I know that, but I don't understand the context it's meant to be used in. What do you mean 'close when Soneji started to take off'? Like wagons who has 2 votes?
It's 10 v 3 I think
So on the worst case d5 is 8 v 3 d6 is 6 v 3 d7 is 4 v 3
At worst we have at least 4 days left.
Outside of that TMI basically means you have more info than a town should have. A wolf often slips tmi because a wolf obviously knows everyone's alignment where as a town doesn't.
I asked you to explain your vote on Falcon and you never really could give me a solid reason why other than your very high level of confidence that Soneji was town but you also never expressed any Soneji was town. Can you show me posts that made you think Soneji was most certainly town?
Which gives us 3 days to catch at least 1 wolf.
Just gotta assume until we actually catch a wolf:
D5 is 6v3, d6 is limlo at 4v3
The reasoning is there but I just don't see how this leads you to alignment certainty.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:02 amYes thanks I'll look at it ^^Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:56 am@Neon I think this is what you wanted?Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:35 pmWhy would Soneji defend Neon with a after she got called out for adding herself in her towncore? Especially bringing into the equation of different site cultures doesn't make any sense if Soneji is wolf and Neon is town, when it seemed like (to me) that Golden was suspicious of Neon.Soneji wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:16 am The logical assumption is that someone includes themselves among their towncore by default so it's unnecessary and potentially performative to list themselves, because either they know they're town from their rolecard, or they know they need to fake being town from their rolecard. One doesn't normally include themselves in readslist as they cannot make a read on their own alignment which is a known factor to them, and either they know they're town or need to fake it. The need for anti-town to fake being town is what subconsciously can cause them to want to project "I AM TOWN" at every opportunity, hence listing themselves in towncores/townreads lists. It is common enough for actual townies, especially from certain site cultures, to list themselves in such things so it's not a hard wolf tell, but it can be a soft tell when alongside other performative town projection examples.
This is just shutting down conversations that were off topic.
This is analysis and I like it.Soneji wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:00 am The first group is rightly calling for accountability from the Wilgy voters, while the second has every reason to not want to rock the boat. Dennis is a newbie, what narrative is he going to try and control? Plus several players rushed to proclaim him townie for his EoD. Seanzie just narrowly escaped the noose, of course they'd avoid a thunder dome. SVS does look good from how they explained their vote, and how they wanted a tie.
I don't think a wolf would bring this up, because why explain your strategy to the entire thread?Soneji wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:31 am I'm still reading through parts of the thread but I want to bring forth a thought on the set-up that could certainly have an effect on wolves mindset in this game. I didn't see wolves win condition listed anywhere but assuming it's to reach vote parity, or even just killing all town, then so long as all three members are alive then they win as soon as there are only five town members left due to being able to vote silence two townies each night. At that point town can only tie elim votes, so has no path to winning. So more than normal wolves will want to ensure all members make it to endgame, and keeping the Lawyer alive is top priority as even with just one other wolf they lower the number needed for vote parity. Bussing is very unlikely, and hard defenses of packmates very likely.
I dunno, it's just all of their posts in general I agree with but these were a few examples. Maybe in the 3rd one I'm being convinced by them explaining I don't know what I'm doing still but other than that it's just everything. Now please answer my question.
Thank youScotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:07 amYou did, I just backread that an hour agoNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:31 amI am 99.8% sure I said it was gonna kill a town yes
Golden having the exact opposite view that I have on everything is making it impossible for me to see them as town especially because Golden has been a heavy voice in getting the thread to its current state and its current state is dead town.
Remember that this was thrown together towards EoD. I also say in another post somewhere at EoD that I wasn't 100% sure but I was more certain than not that Soneji was town and I was willing to stand by that.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:25 amThe reasoning is there but I just don't see how this leads you to alignment certainty.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:02 amYes thanks I'll look at it ^^Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:56 am@Neon I think this is what you wanted?Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:35 pmWhy would Soneji defend Neon with a after she got called out for adding herself in her towncore? Especially bringing into the equation of different site cultures doesn't make any sense if Soneji is wolf and Neon is town, when it seemed like (to me) that Golden was suspicious of Neon.Soneji wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:16 am The logical assumption is that someone includes themselves among their towncore by default so it's unnecessary and potentially performative to list themselves, because either they know they're town from their rolecard, or they know they need to fake being town from their rolecard. One doesn't normally include themselves in readslist as they cannot make a read on their own alignment which is a known factor to them, and either they know they're town or need to fake it. The need for anti-town to fake being town is what subconsciously can cause them to want to project "I AM TOWN" at every opportunity, hence listing themselves in towncores/townreads lists. It is common enough for actual townies, especially from certain site cultures, to list themselves in such things so it's not a hard wolf tell, but it can be a soft tell when alongside other performative town projection examples.
This is just shutting down conversations that were off topic.
This is analysis and I like it.Soneji wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:00 am The first group is rightly calling for accountability from the Wilgy voters, while the second has every reason to not want to rock the boat. Dennis is a newbie, what narrative is he going to try and control? Plus several players rushed to proclaim him townie for his EoD. Seanzie just narrowly escaped the noose, of course they'd avoid a thunder dome. SVS does look good from how they explained their vote, and how they wanted a tie.
I don't think a wolf would bring this up, because why explain your strategy to the entire thread?Soneji wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:31 am I'm still reading through parts of the thread but I want to bring forth a thought on the set-up that could certainly have an effect on wolves mindset in this game. I didn't see wolves win condition listed anywhere but assuming it's to reach vote parity, or even just killing all town, then so long as all three members are alive then they win as soon as there are only five town members left due to being able to vote silence two townies each night. At that point town can only tie elim votes, so has no path to winning. So more than normal wolves will want to ensure all members make it to endgame, and keeping the Lawyer alive is top priority as even with just one other wolf they lower the number needed for vote parity. Bussing is very unlikely, and hard defenses of packmates very likely.
I dunno, it's just all of their posts in general I agree with but these were a few examples. Maybe in the 3rd one I'm being convinced by them explaining I don't know what I'm doing still but other than that it's just everything. Now please answer my question.
I'm looking forward to debriefing this game with you afterwards. Whichever of us is righter gets gloating rights, and I'm fine if that's you.