The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:47 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:45 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:44 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:43 pm So no, I'm putting you right below dizzy because dizzy has sort of disappeared for a bit, and the longer they are away, the more it looks like they are hiding to avoid suspicions.

And it's easier to mislynch someone who can't defend themself.

you really think I'm bad?

Currently between you and Dunya.

Though I haven't eliminated Dizzy.

Which is why we need the no lynch, clearly.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:48 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:31 pm I could do a no lynch. I don't have much time tonight or tomorrow either. And if I'm lucky I get killed and then it's all your problem (no regrets)

Spoiler: show

I read dunya's case on Luna and that the idea of an overt bussing/cross vote could be a thing they would go for. But what doesn't really make sense to me is the way that Luna voted if that is the case. Cause it was so ok, I guess I'll vote Quin, and if it was bussing they had agreed to do, then I think it would make more sense to be a bit more forceful with it? At the same time I guess optimal outcome would be to not really have either of them lynched though. I don't know, it just seems like a weird way to vote if it's a planned bus. Does this make sense?

I'm going to reread Luna myself. I didn't pay enough attention to her when I started reading from the beginning yesterday. Rereading dunya's posts D1 they still irked me a lot and I like about none of them. That's probably actually not true, but a lot of them I don't like. Also how she avoided talking about me being around after Luna voted in her iso thing of me, when she asked about it twice AND said she reread my posts between asking twice. Really don't like that.

I will also have to reread Speed and Mac, especially. I really want Speed to recap D1 as has been pointed out.

I guess right now I'd say I don't think it's Luna (?) And I can't make my mind up between dunya and Speed. Dunya has more stuff that makes me think she's scum, but also stuff that reads town. A lot of analysis and also emotion. I just can't shake the feeling that she would be able to do that as scum as well. I've seen the most impressive scum play I've seen in mafia from players on this site. (MP burned me two times >_>) I don't know if this is "fair" even, but I can't not consider this. I feel like I have stuff to say about this after this game is over.

With Speed I just really question the dunya vote on D1. It was glaring when I read it again.

looks like this was a planned absence. Makes Dizzy look slightly less shady.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:50 pm I don't know how to read you people so I'm going to get nightkilled and let dizzy choose.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:51 pm do you think scum dizzy would get angry because i cased them? would they get so angry to repeatedly say they are ignoring me?

there was one post in dizzy's iso that i reread and gave me pause today. after they seemed genuinely angry because i was suspecting them, i felt inclined to apologize (cos apparently that's not allowed in mafia), and their response almost came across guilty by relieving me of any guilt and saying nothing i have done is out of bounds of mafia.

it gave me scummy perspective vibes.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:50 pm I don't know how to read you people so I'm going to get nightkilled and let dizzy choose.

No. I'm going to be mad if you peace out and leave us in this mess.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:52 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:48 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:31 pm I could do a no lynch. I don't have much time tonight or tomorrow either. And if I'm lucky I get killed and then it's all your problem (no regrets)

Spoiler: show

I read dunya's case on Luna and that the idea of an overt bussing/cross vote could be a thing they would go for. But what doesn't really make sense to me is the way that Luna voted if that is the case. Cause it was so ok, I guess I'll vote Quin, and if it was bussing they had agreed to do, then I think it would make more sense to be a bit more forceful with it? At the same time I guess optimal outcome would be to not really have either of them lynched though. I don't know, it just seems like a weird way to vote if it's a planned bus. Does this make sense?

I'm going to reread Luna myself. I didn't pay enough attention to her when I started reading from the beginning yesterday. Rereading dunya's posts D1 they still irked me a lot and I like about none of them. That's probably actually not true, but a lot of them I don't like. Also how she avoided talking about me being around after Luna voted in her iso thing of me, when she asked about it twice AND said she reread my posts between asking twice. Really don't like that.

I will also have to reread Speed and Mac, especially. I really want Speed to recap D1 as has been pointed out.

I guess right now I'd say I don't think it's Luna (?) And I can't make my mind up between dunya and Speed. Dunya has more stuff that makes me think she's scum, but also stuff that reads town. A lot of analysis and also emotion. I just can't shake the feeling that she would be able to do that as scum as well. I've seen the most impressive scum play I've seen in mafia from players on this site. (MP burned me two times >_>) I don't know if this is "fair" even, but I can't not consider this. I feel like I have stuff to say about this after this game is over.

With Speed I just really question the dunya vote on D1. It was glaring when I read it again.

looks like this was a planned absence. Makes Dizzy look slightly less shady.

if their intention was to lay low in mylo, then why wouldn't they have planned for it intentionally?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:54 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:51 pm do you think scum dizzy would get angry because i cased them? would they get so angry to repeatedly say they are ignoring me?

there was one post in dizzy's iso that i reread and gave me pause today. after they seemed genuinely angry because i was suspecting them, i felt inclined to apologize (cos apparently that's not allowed in mafia), and their response almost came across guilty by relieving me of any guilt and saying nothing i have done is out of bounds of mafia.

it gave me scummy perspective vibes.

IDK I don't like reading people based on emotional manipulation garbage.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:54 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:51 pm do you think scum dizzy would get angry because i cased them? would they get so angry to repeatedly say they are ignoring me?

there was one post in dizzy's iso that i reread and gave me pause today. after they seemed genuinely angry because i was suspecting them, i felt inclined to apologize (cos apparently that's not allowed in mafia), and their response almost came across guilty by relieving me of any guilt and saying nothing i have done is out of bounds of mafia.

it gave me scummy perspective vibes.

IDK I don't like reading people based on emotional manipulation garbage.

Wouldn't scum be more likely to get heated about being suspected?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:30 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:20 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:07 pm If mac was scum right now he would have pushed for my lynch, not speeds. I'm almost 100 percent sure of that.

Can you explain why? Is there some dynamic I'm unaware of here?

sweet dizzy, so much has happened since that post. i'm like, 100% sure it's him now and he was buddying me and trying to manipulate me

sorry if i gave you grief in this game for suspecting you before, i've never played with you before now. i feel like after the first game we will have a better grasp of each other's meta.

Ugh, I'm not getting less paranoid with you suddenly being extremely nice to me o.o
But I also don't want to be a jerk, and I completely think that anything you've done this game is fair and all no matter your alignment. It's just that I can't not get affected by it. And yeah, I'm also suspected a lot with players who are unfamiliar with me (but as I said also scaped goated on this site, or at least attempted, so I'm a bit hyper aware).

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:54 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:51 pm do you think scum dizzy would get angry because i cased them? would they get so angry to repeatedly say they are ignoring me?

there was one post in dizzy's iso that i reread and gave me pause today. after they seemed genuinely angry because i was suspecting them, i felt inclined to apologize (cos apparently that's not allowed in mafia), and their response almost came across guilty by relieving me of any guilt and saying nothing i have done is out of bounds of mafia.

it gave me scummy perspective vibes.

IDK I don't like reading people based on emotional manipulation garbage.

Wouldn't scum be more likely to get heated about being suspected?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:02 pm speed, can you give me your reasons for town reading dizzy beyond intuition?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:11 pm oh was that it. i guess my bias doesnt let me see your town things as town cos i can find scum motive behind those posts.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:40 pm Quin, if you’re town, I’d like to know

Linki omg!!!!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:51 pm Hot Take: None of the Quin voters are scum.

That leaves:
Speed
TH
Dunya
Sabie
Nova

Nice job Quin voters.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:47 am

So why is Luna out of it? Quin is a busser and early distancer. I wouldn't rule her out of my POE just cos he threw a vote on her.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:52 pm speedchuck's first post after the Quin lynch:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:51 pm Hot Take: None of the Quin voters are scum.

That leaves:
Speed
TH
Dunya
Sabie
Nova

Nice job Quin voters.

Could be genuine, but if he were bad, he only eliminated three people with his "hot take" that Quin voters aren't scum.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:58 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:52 pm speedchuck's first post after the Quin lynch:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:51 pm Hot Take: None of the Quin voters are scum.

That leaves:
Speed
TH
Dunya
Sabie
Nova

Nice job Quin voters.

Could be genuine, but if he were bad, he only eliminated three people with his "hot take" that Quin voters aren't scum.

And yet at the time you said this post meant I was town?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:23 pm i don't know if i have the energy to even defend myself. so i'm not going to waste time doing that, and when i have time will address certain points i feel were misrepresented or mean instead and talk more about mac/dizzy/speed. if ya'll don't see town dunya, then maybe i'm gonna lead by TH's example and say this will be good for my new meta of not posting 800 times a day.

but pay attention: i wasn't here during sabie's flip. i didn't get back to the game till the next day. you're all assuming as the last mafia i would have -chosen- to nk sabie who was everyone's second suspect, why?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:03 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:23 pmbut pay attention: i wasn't here during sabie's flip. i didn't get back to the game till the next day. you're all assuming as the last mafia i would have -chosen- to nk sabie who was everyone's second suspect, why?

Ok. But now YOU pay attention. I wasn't around ALL of N1. I'm pretty sure I mentioned it in the game already that I wouldn't be. I was playing in a yearly championship that went over the weekend, and since I've won that many times it's kind of a big deal for me. That was all I did that weekend, I was not thinking about any mafia stuff, and I didn't see sabie claimed beforI caught up with the thread again. However, I wasn't that surprised that sabie was PT really, cause she said she had gotten a good role (or something like that) so I already thought she could be. Same could go for you. Also, I checked, and you said you would try to check in before EoD, and sabie did not claim that late our time. This hinges on you not just checking the thread. I'm more interested in why you're using this as a defense and completely ignore that I wasn't around N1 either.

Look, I'm not sure you are scum. But you are not making any sense to me in your posts directed at me. You're picking and choosing and holding your suspicion before the actual events in the thread. You also don't seem interested in figuring out who I am as a player. You're picking at town tells of mine and calling them suspicious, you ignore other town reads on me (from players that have actually played with me), and you did ask for a scum game of mine, but I don't see you using that or other town games of mine as a reference if you're really interested in figuring me out. (Maybe you have, but then you haven't said anything about it). This is how I view it. I can be a pretty omgusy player to a fault, but I find that on this particular site I'm more often targeted by scum (probably because my playstyle is a bit more "random" than the norm here.)

My poe is you, Mac and then I'd probably lose to a scum Speed at this very moment.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:54 pm [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

I kinda want to lynch TH. I'mma do an exercise tomorrow at some point where I assume he flips town and go ahead and solve the game. Y'know, in case he flips town.

Because I have a day left and we're lynching TH and everything else is boring.

If you asked me a question I missed it. Ask again.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:14 amI'm not.

I was saying, if we all pre-emptively agree to remove Dizzy from the POE, then who will be killed tonight? Assuming we are all correct?

I guess we could wait for the kill to happen to make sure, but if you're removing Dizzy from your POE, it'll prolly condemn her to the nightkill.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:27 amI'll answer this, but as a heads up, it's not going to make me look good. I won't sugar-coat it.

My vote was a D1 vote on someone whom I had suspicion. Come day end, I was much less certain of it, but still had some scum leanings. 25% scum in a game this small might have been an understatement, since everyone had a ~22% chance of being scum without a read, but it is what it is.

I still had an ever-so-light scumread on Dunya at the time. I was very unsure of myself, but nowhere else struck me as a target.

Came back to the thread later to check, before the lynch. We went from a tie between Dunya and Quin to a majority Quin lynch, with him one vote ahead. I shrugged, said 'okay, I guess I didn't have a strong townread on him', and then left for the day.

My only other option, as far as affecting the lynch, would have been to make sure Quin got lynched instead of Dunya by throwing my vote on there as well. I had no motivation to do that. Tell me why a town me would have done that, with a light scumread on Dunya and little in the way of a read on Quin.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:39 amIn Fire Emblem, @dunya and I were both scum with Quin, I think. Not at the same time, though. I was her replacement. The team spent the whole game trying to bus each other like crazy.

Would Luna go along with it, I wonder? I actually have no idea. I don't think she would bus Quin like this without him suggesting it, but I could TOTALLY see him suggesting it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:39 amIn Fire Emblem, @dunya and I were both scum with Quin, I think. Not at the same time, though. I was her replacement. The team spent the whole game trying to bus each other like crazy.

Would Luna go along with it, I wonder? I actually have no idea. I don't think she would bus Quin like this without him suggesting it, but I could TOTALLY see him suggesting it.

K, what's with this site and bussing. This is good to know. But why was your first reaction to clear the Quin voters knowing Quin's history of bussing?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:30 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:27 amI'll answer this, but as a heads up, it's not going to make me look good. I won't sugar-coat it.

My vote was a D1 vote on someone whom I had suspicion. Come day end, I was much less certain of it, but still had some scum leanings. 25% scum in a game this small might have been an understatement, since everyone had a ~22% chance of being scum without a read, but it is what it is.

I still had an ever-so-light scumread on Dunya at the time. I was very unsure of myself, but nowhere else struck me as a target.

Came back to the thread later to check, before the lynch. We went from a tie between Dunya and Quin to a majority Quin lynch, with him one vote ahead. I shrugged, said 'okay, I guess I didn't have a strong townread on him', and then left for the day.

My only other option, as far as affecting the lynch, would have been to make sure Quin got lynched instead of Dunya by throwing my vote on there as well. I had no motivation to do that. Tell me why a town me would have done that, with a light scumread on Dunya and little in the way of a read on Quin.

Was it long before day end you came back to check? Don't know if you can recall.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:15 pm so, my strategy was to scum read speed with a passion this phase so the last scum kills one of dizzy/luna.

but at this point, i'm worried i'll be killed and that strategy will go to waste big time. i mean, in theory it was smart, but i don't wanna fuck this up. i am almost certain speed is town. i feel less confident about who it can be between dizzy and luna, because i have found them both doing lots of scummy things, but if i had to choose one, it would be luna.

GTH:

speed - confident town
dizzy - town
luna - scum

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:39 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:30 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:27 amI'll answer this, but as a heads up, it's not going to make me look good. I won't sugar-coat it.

My vote was a D1 vote on someone whom I had suspicion. Come day end, I was much less certain of it, but still had some scum leanings. 25% scum in a game this small might have been an understatement, since everyone had a ~22% chance of being scum without a read, but it is what it is.

I still had an ever-so-light scumread on Dunya at the time. I was very unsure of myself, but nowhere else struck me as a target.

Came back to the thread later to check, before the lynch. We went from a tie between Dunya and Quin to a majority Quin lynch, with him one vote ahead. I shrugged, said 'okay, I guess I didn't have a strong townread on him', and then left for the day.

My only other option, as far as affecting the lynch, would have been to make sure Quin got lynched instead of Dunya by throwing my vote on there as well. I had no motivation to do that. Tell me why a town me would have done that, with a light scumread on Dunya and little in the way of a read on Quin.

Was it long before day end you came back to check? Don't know if you can recall.

between 30 minutes and 2 hours, ish. Don't recall exactly.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:46 pm Speed, care to comment? : p

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:02 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:46 pm Speed, care to comment? : p

Guess I misremembered the time. Like I said I probably did.

But if that makes me scum, I'd like to know why.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:02 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:46 pm Speed, care to comment? : p

Guess I misremembered the time. Like I said I probably did.

But if that makes me scum, I'd like to know why.

Because the post struck me as not genuine from beforehand. When you write "we went from" it feels like you're not a part of it. But then you write like you have thoughts and feelings about the lynch after Spacey voted and then "left for the day" (which I find a weird phrasing if "for the day" is within maximum 19 minutes). This also doesn't match when you actually posted in thread. You posted some time before Spacey voted, which does in fact match your 30 min to 2 hours window, and you post after deadline (cause Jimmay was late with the flip). Basically I think you're lying about the thoughts and feelings you had when you checked in the thread and saw we had moved to Quin and you left for the day.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:39 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:15 pm so, my strategy was to scum read speed with a passion this phase so the last scum kills one of dizzy/luna.

but at this point, i'm worried i'll be killed and that strategy will go to waste big time. i mean, in theory it was smart, but i don't wanna fuck this up. i am almost certain speed is town. i feel less confident about who it can be between dizzy and luna, because i have found them both doing lots of scummy things, but if i had to choose one, it would be luna.

GTH:

speed - confident town
dizzy - town
luna - scum

How many dimentions do you play in chess is my question now. This is rather elaborate, especially if you are scum. I'm growing less sure that Speed is town, so enjoy that. Can you please (re)list points that makes you think he's town?