JackofHearts2005
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:00 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:59 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:58 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:57 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:52 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:50 am
I hate this post.
Why? I can read Creature sometimes.
Sure but that read is too strong. It doesn't feel natural and genuine to me. You sound like you actually do know he's town.
I actually do know he’s town. Cause I can tell from his posts.
Nah.
Lol so vote me.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:02 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:02 am
I don't vote on command.
The joke is you can’t vote me anyway cause it’s D0.
I can see this exchange happening with Jack of either alignment.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:18 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:10 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am
Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.
Yeah. We had safeclaims in Mass Effect, the last join venture Jay hosted, which also allowed flavor claiming.
And it was like this where characters were assigned randomly?
The scumteams each followed a theme but the overall role assignment was random.
Iirc, roles were themey, not randomized.
I read the setup as like “cop” doesn’t necessarily apply to a town character who is good at catching baddies. A random town character is the cop.
Not like mashes where half the scumteam is good guys and half is bad guys cause the flavor is randomized.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:49 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm
The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.
There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character?
Maybe if they really like their character.
I spent all of UPick calling people mongrels.
This is mostly me playing devil’s advocate tho. I don’t have a firm read on 112.
Ditto this.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:58 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:49 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:39 am
Eh, fuck it. Both Hyena and Dragomir are fairly low, so I'm willing to take out the creep first. Since while I'm pretty damn sure he's one of the people who have been roleplaying their roles like Mac, he's still gross about it.
[VOTE:
Dragomir] aubergine
Roleplaying what role? Me?
Oh god. Drago is the subconscious desire to sexually tilt at windmills. I should have known he was just role playing.
Okay.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:23 pm
@Dom
You should iso Drago. He was hitting on Eva and it turned out pretty funny.
#scumhunting
I realize this is a self-aware joke, but it does give Dom direction and the direction proved to be correct.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:01 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:57 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:56 pm
I asked this before but does anyone from this forum know if Drago has the propensity to slank like this as wolf?
Idk.
Drago is always town and Rej is always a wolf and Drago always catches him.
We’re in uncharted territory here.
How do you know that scenario isn't the case and Drago just hasn't seen enough to catch him yet?
I guess I don’t.
Kirby is probably the most memorable Drago town game without scum Rej. He was pretty quiet but basically won the game singlehandedly for the townies in lylo.
This doesn’t mean anything much to me.
++++
Aside from the Day 0 interaction, there isn’t really anything substantial to go on either way here. Jack voted 112, which is fine. Jack can remain a suspect, but he isn’t a strong one.
juliets
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:54 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:31 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:17 pm
And hi nova -
Do you have a crush on Nova?
A crush? No, why would you think that?
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:55 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:39 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:33 pm
So far I've felt some negative juju vibrations from tsp, juliets and spiny. Can someone bombard them with aggressive accusations for me please?
I'd like to hear your specifics for what I've done that is suspicious. What juju vibrations?
Why are you so concerned with the suspicion?
You will see my explanation later on.
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:03 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:54 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:33 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:16 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:01 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:07 am
Juliet how are you? what do you think about the earlier scum reads towards you?
I'm good Michelle -
The last game I played here was the game where you and I were bad together with some others and we both lasted until the end and won. Remember how controversial that was? So the last look the syndicators had of me I was bad and some think they are seeing my bad game in this game. There isn't a lot of difference between my bad game and my good game so I can understand that. Also, people could be reaction testing, especially those that aren't giving a reason. I try to look at suspicion when I'm town as a guard against being night killed so I'm not completely bummed.
nice take. Jack gave me some fancy reads at MU after that game ^^
Do you have some reads?
I have a town read on Jack right now for reasons I explained last night (I will link it if you are not reading back).
I'm wary of nova because town nova posts a lot at the beginning of games, throwing out reads left and right and pushing others to do the same.
Mac so far reads as town Mac to me - putting some early reads out there and engaging with others.
I will do some ISO's today later because I know there are others I have opinions about they just aren't coming to mind right now.
Your Nova read would be fine, if it wasn't for the fact that scum Nova does the same thing. You were reading the Cats and Dogs game right? You should know that Nova throws reads left and right as scum too so his lack of activity here is NAI. It bothers me how you're actually trying to use it against him when you should know better.
Drago, I did not read Cats and Dogs. I read the last of it (maybe a page) when the game ended to see who won and congratulated different people based on what I saw in the end. So, I did not see nova throw reads left and right. If he did then you're right, it's NAI.
Dragomir’s initial interactions were needlessly hostile.
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:11 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm
honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome
Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.
There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.
Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.
So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.
For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.
But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.
I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?
Here's what JJJ said in the OP:
"Characters are randomized and have no connection to role abilities. You can even role play if you like."
So I read that as you can't tell from the character what the role abilities are.
This looks like a more reasonable exchange and a natural one for juliets.
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:37 pm
I have hit the wall. I'll be more coherent in the morning but here are some thoughts running around in my head -
- I still lean town on Mac.
- I'm seeing a completely different Eva than the one I saw in WC1 though I only picked up starting mid day 2 in that game. I don't think one of she or Mac has to be scum in this game.
- I am leading town on Drago, I'm sure I can point out some reasons why but it will have to wait until tomorrow, though obviously I don't agree with his vote on Mac.
- Seems like one of 112 or Benson must be scum since they both say they accurately read each other and they both say the other is bad. I guess they could both be scum but I doubt it. Right now I have a clearer picture of 112 as town.
- Not understanding the votes for Epi except what hyena explained about his vote. Will look more closely at this in the morning.
- Reserving judgement on iaafr and hyena, I've been back and forth on both. Also reserving judgement on LC, he has fooled me SO many times but I know his weekends are usually taken up with family things and the food truck
- Reading sprityo as town after his last post.
I'm sure I will have other thoughts in the morning, there are just so many people to form opinions about.
Epi if you still need a favor just ping me in a post and I'll try to accommodate in the morning.
oh wow tons of linki - I'll have to read it tomorrow.
Okay.
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:54 pm
I just went back and looked at Dragomir and though I saw him as town early in the game, he has as others have said completely disappeared. The last time he posted was yesterday morning. I'm also not wild about his vote sitting on Mac (same for LC but he has at least been around the last day).
@iaafr I know you have been pointing at Drago for while now, what else are you seeing about him that causes you to read him scum? Anyone else voting Drago please chime in.
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:03 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:00 pm
Gonna put on my Elephant trunk for a sec and say I notice Juliets' vote is still on TSP even though she said she'd move it.
I will move to Drago to get it off of Tony but I'm still researching Drago and may need to move it again.
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:03 pm
Like I said earlier, I usually find Drago as a pretty strong townread early on when he's town (even when I mislynched him I had been townreading him for the first few days) and I haven't gotten that feeling at all here so my gut says he's likely scum.
Thanks nutella, I missed when you said that.
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:13 pm
oh I forgot
[VOTE:
Dragonmir] aubergine
This progression looks clean to me.
++++
I am comfortable at this point calling juliets not a teammate of Dragomir.
Also, juliets has 112 posts.
Lady LambaDelta
Nada.
Voted nutella.
Lady LambaDelta can remain a suspect.
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:50 am
Anyway Epi's posts are performative, not informative and they're designed to seep into the nature of people's want for content.
It's IIoA. They say many words, but not much in the end.
More than that, they're doing the Bullets for Bullets tactic I outlined in my scum guide. It feels like the goal of the posts is to be unreadably long and make you skim and say generally "agreeable" things people can't exactly contest without strictly committing anywhere.
I feel like I'm reading a foreign language- I'm not familiar with many of these abbreviations and terms.
Let me see if I can transliterate and address what's here.
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:50 am
Anyway Epi's posts are performative, not informative
Everything in Mafia is "performative." Even not showing up qualifies (in a "John Cage" sort of way). You are correct in calling them not "informative," as they were not meant to provide more information (a curious irony, that, since my posts are the only relic of the old world anybody has).
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:50 am
and they're designed to seep into the nature of people's want for content.
I didn't design them to seep into anything. That's a strange assumption on your part, and another curious irony, which leads me to my grievance with you. You have made nineteen of twenty-four posts in which you either post a cartoon or complain about circumstances.
Your biggest annoyance would be that you cannot access the old thread.
While it is not perfect, I have at least provided everyone here with a partial access of the previous thread, with additional commentary. At not one point did you attempt to make lemonade out of cat piss. Toys out of the pram.
I don't get the reference.
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:50 am
They say many words, but not much in the end.
No, they do not say many words (from me). They only say many words because they are quotes from the people who said them. My commentary is rather terse.
Rather than comment on how "much" I've said in the end, why not comment on whether my observations are sharp or obtuse, and why?
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:50 am
More than that, they're doing the Bullets for Bullets tactic I outlined in my scum guide.
I don't know what that means, but I assume is means mafia players make lists (or
should make lists- I've not had the privilege of purchasing or reading your guide).
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:50 am
It feels like the goal of the posts is to be unreadably long
I suppose Dostoevsky wanted to make me skim when he penned
The Brothers Karamazov. Hmm.
No, the goal of the posts is to provide a semi-comprehensive overview of how each person interacted a known mafioso.
That you would regard those posts as "unreadably long" when you chose to spend your time here among us complaining and posting pictures of cartoons is unfortunate. Really unfortunate: You were here in some capacity from 11:20 pm EST Wednesday night to 4:05 am EST Thursday morning. That's over four-and-a-half hours in which you could have read even some of my observations and discussed them or raised questions about them.
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:50 am
and make you skim and say generally "agreeable" things people can't exactly contest without strictly committing anywhere.
I am not really sure that it is within my power to "make [someone] skim." People read or they skim or they ignore. I have no power over that. I likewise have no power over what others say in response. Why can't they contest the things I've said? What is wrong with getting people to make decisions?
There is no civilian reason to discredit my effort without attempting to engage with it in some capacity. If you believe I am mafia, then you should be able to show how the
content of my effort is compatible with that hypothesis rather than merely claim that the effort itself is compatible with your hypothesis. That latter claim means nothing.
I hope you will respond.
Although...
oh dear...
I fear I have made this "unreadably long."
Long Con
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:58 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:39 am
Eh, fuck it. Both Hyena and Dragomir are fairly low, so I'm willing to take out the creep first. Since while I'm pretty damn sure he's one of the people who have been roleplaying their roles like Mac, he's still gross about it.
[VOTE:
Dragomir] aubergine
You should change your vote in the lynch poll as well.
Given that the poll is official, LC reminded Pawn to actually vote Dragomir in the poll, so that’s nice I guess.
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:15 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:10 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:06 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:00 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:39 am
Eh, fuck it. Both Hyena and Dragomir are fairly low, so I'm willing to take out the creep first. Since while I'm pretty damn sure he's one of the people who have been roleplaying their roles like Mac, he's still gross about it.
What makes you think Mac is roleplaying?
... wait, was it that one weird post way back, where Mac was strangely enthusiastic?
It was more of a series of posts from then but pretty much, yeah.
I think it could be hilarious if I started roleplaying mine. OR I could end up looking like Dragomir.
Do you think roleplaying is suspicious?
Not at all. When Dragomir is being a creep though when using what I believe roleplaying as an excuse, even as a bad joke, I don't see a reason to keep him around when he's already in my bottom 3 reads.
Fair.
LC prompted Pawn to expound on his suspicion of Dragomir, so that’s nice too.
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:18 pm
Long Con
Benson
Creature
Dom
sprityo
Jackofhearts2005
Epignosis
Master Radishes
DFaraday
vanity.
juliets
Elephant
Hyena
112
Michelle
Quin
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
novaselinenever
Pawn Lelouch
Spiny Creature
Texas Cloverleaf
TonyStarkPrime
Trustworthy Liberal
Rej
nutella
Evenstar
Dragomir
Lady Lambdadelta
iaafr
MacDougall
More niceness.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:52 pm
Hey folks, less than ten minutes to go. I'm not going to be able to catch up the last bunch of pages in that time. Dragomir lynch incoming, not anything too surprising given the negative publicity he garnered with Eva.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:53 pm
I'll help make it more interesting with a 112 vote.
[VOTE:
112] aubergine
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:59 pm
I feel more comfortable on Drago than 112.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:59 pm
[VOTE:
Drago] aubergine
LC, what was your thought progression here? What made you more comfortable voting Dragomir over 112 in the end?
Good luck answering me. 
++++
There are avenues for Long Con to be Dragomir’s teammate, but they are full of potholes and crackheads asking for five dollars. I don't want to go down that road.
MacDougall
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:49 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:37 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:34 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:31 pm
Also, I think Evenstar and Mac are scum and that they are distancing from each other. :3
Hoho, I'd like to see an elaboration on this.
Because neither one of them are serious trying to solve me right now, nor are they allowing me to solve them. I feel like Mac in particular doesn't want to interact with me at all. He's SCAAAAARED~! Even though she denied it earlier, Evenstar tried to pocket me earlier.
What have you said that I was meant to interact with? I have hardly noticed you. Forgive me please.
I wish I was scum with her. I wouldn't be this frustrated.
Dragomir’s smug comment here is a small point in Mac’s favor.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:54 pm
Dragomir is getting a lot of townreads. I'd be stunned if this isn't TMI from somewhere.
++++
This is where I fell short. I tabled the MacDougall analysis expecting to come back and see just how many people at this point were calling Dragomir a civilian, because at that point I couldn't recall many. It looked like a way to validate the notion that Dragomir
was a civilian whilst casting suspicion on those calling him good, which of course would be an evil strategy.
Unfortunately, by the time I remembered to go back, the threads had vanished, and this is the one analysis I did not complete.
Anyway, MacDougall voted for me, left his vote on me, and so he can go eat a bag of delicious iced caramel kremes.
Master Radishes
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:10 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:02 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:52 am
I changed my mind and did play some catch-up. Only quick skimming, though.
Random skim reads:
Nutella townish. Not sure I agree with reasons stated above ^ for SRing her.
iiafr townish. In fact, aside from disagreeing with half his reads, I'm ready to follow him to the ends of the subconscious and beyond.
Creature townish.
Hyena townish.
Dragomir creepish.
Eva placid. Uncertain how to read that. Leaning townish.
112 nullish. Conclusion: lynch them.
Elephant small. Beluga whales bigger. Scum.
Okay I'm done now. Disclosure: I made a bunch of these up on the spot.
is here a second non read on Dragomir again not alignament indicative. TSP gave a weird for Drago in post 474
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 9#p558159
Are you and TSP mindmelting?
I just don't think there's much to read from Drago yet. Has he done anything except hit on Eva?
I probably saw TSP's comment when skimming and it stuck in my mind, hence my inclusion in my post above.
Eh.
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:02 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:57 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:54 pm
Someone give me a new convo to join in on.
What are your opinions on Drago, 112 and Iaafr?
Thank you.
Drago - haven't paid much attention to, to be honest; have no reason to either SR or TR them so far from what I have noticed
112 - I've played with 112 about 100 times (literally) so I've seen it all from them; my intial lean is town, but I'll need to see how they progress into future rounds to be certain
iiafr - as mentioned to someone else earlier, he feels so similar to who I interacted with in spec chat that I feel that is his default setting, and therefore more likely to be town. I've not played with him before so don't know his scum game, but even his sudden read changes just feel
right based on non-game-related 'meta' as it were
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:04 pm
Follow-up to my last response to Eva:
I've not followed 112-gate because I was distracted by Elephant, but my sense of it is very much that it's NAI for 112, and like I say I didn't really pay attention to Drago
It isn’t the best thing that Radishes keeps hammering home that he has not paid attention to Dragomir.
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:51 pm
Welp,
[VOTE:
Dragomir] aubergine then. Not sold on a 112 lynch.
Beyond the reason supplied here, I have no idea why Radishes voted Dragomir.
++++
Master Radishes can remain a suspect.
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:53 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:08 pm
Game isn't until 8:08, so I have ten minutes.
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:20 pm
Epignosis
Voted many hours before EoD – only reason I could see was in a later readslist:
“Eh. Would lynch. (Great start, right?)”
Was around at EoD and barely engaged with the Drago/112 wagons – didn’t even vote Drago to self-preserve when he was briefly the counter-wagon to Drago
Conclusion: Suspicious
As far as I remember, my vote went there for no real reason at all. Reasons developed later. One big one for me was that 112 voted for me based on something
he said- not something I said- and framed it as though it made me guilty. That's trash. That's trying to keep his hands clean voting for someone nobody was really talking about. Don't believe me? 112 ended up on Trustworthy Liberal- someone nobody was really talking about.
Bear in mind that if I'm bad, I am not letting my godfather get lynched Day 1. I know that might not mean anything to you since you do not know me, but when I am on a mafia team, I try to make optimal, coordinated decisions and not drop the ball. Letting your godfather get lynched Day 1 is arguably the most sub-optimal thing you can do.
If 112 is Dragomir's teammate, it makes all the sense in the world to let himself (112) get lynched. That would preserve the godfather. 112 didn't have the thread presence to push anybody else, couldn't vote for himself (and maintain any credibility), and if he voted for Dragomir late, he would be surrendering his godfather with less hope that he could be spared. I wonder if 112's hands were tied.
Thank you for the response, and I'm fine with your reasoning for voting 112. And obviously I agree with the rationale around preventing a Godfather lynch - hence why I'm so concerned about the last minute votes for 112 that smell like an attempt to save Drago. (Evenstar and Nova, that is.)
Re: third paragraph - I don't recall 112 being around at EoD, and their own wagon sprung up relatively quickly towards the end (it was floating around 2-3 votes, iirc, but only became a serious counter-wagon in the final, eh, 20-30 minutes or so). So I don't think there's much we can read into someone simply not being present.
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:09 pm
Actually, first I'll quickly make my position clear:
A) It is ridiculous to suggest scum weren't on the 112 wagon, regardless of 112's alignment. If anyone was actually here and watching in real time (I was keeping up, but was only half-focused because of real life matters) then at 7 mins to go the wagons were 8-5 (Drago-112) and by 3 mins to go they were 8-8. It was literally only the last minute that Drago was decidedly lynched.
B) 112's alignment obviously affects matters, but I simply hadn't enough time to cover both town!112 and scum!112 worlds before D2 ended. I tackled town!112 first, because the last minute fluctuations felt, to me, that scum tried to save Drago but didn't have enough of them present to do it.
C) From a town!112 worldview, the votes I pointed out (Nova and Eva) looked most obviously like scum trying to save Drago. A few others (TSP, Epi, Jack) for various reasons might be seen as scummy, might not be. Creature and Elephant were NAI.
C.1) I had Evenstar as likely V yesterday, but based on her vote I began to look at her under a red light. Her play this round has reinforced my view, as I feel she's not actually focused on gamesolving and is instead tossing questions to her familiars (Nook, Pawn, sorta LLD) with a touch of chaosposting.
C.2) I had Epi as null+ yesterday, and didn't initially mind his SoD reads. But his analysis of Evenstar was lacking, IMO, as he cleared her for things that she should not be cleared for. Seeing as he was one of my 'potential scum votes' I pushed a bit there, and when he responded to me I liked his responses well enough. But a potential association has been established in my scum!Eva worldview. And I don't accept clearing him for 'hard work', as I seem to recall someone in the D1 thread pointing out Epi does that as either alignment.
C.3) Jack I went from scumread to townread and then to null in D1. I had no plans to push there but his recent attempt to discredit everything I've said here has created an association within my worldview as well.
C.4) Nova was, I thought, actually the scummiest vote, but so far the other three have all hinted at a scumread of him, I think? So IMO he's either the scum I'm looking for or the odd one out.
Took too much time on that. Definitely need to get to work now.
Michelle
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:15 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:12 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:11 am
Morning everyone, can't say i'll gladly catch up, can someone tell me if is worth reading all the last 7 pages?
Yes.
-_- mmkay
@ me if needed
This exists.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:29 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:17 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:11 am
Morning everyone, can't say i'll gladly catch up, can someone tell me if is worth reading all the last 7 pages?
Ah Michelle ma belle blah blah blah French stuff
To be honest no but it also can’t hurt?
Summary:
Juliets: bad
Nutella: good
Drago: weird
Jack: good for now
Nova: scary after cats and dogs
elephant: elephant
Mac: very positive
Creature: creature
iaiaafrair: my new favorite
pocketed by that song like always.
my brain is in page 3 btw
Saw Vanity's entrance with no force one step forward one step back he may go either way.
If Creature is just Creature he can be just villager.
Drago was so weird in the previous game that this isnt AI (alignament indicative)
Nova -_-
This doesn’t really say anything. I don’t know why this post exists.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:02 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:52 am
I changed my mind and did play some catch-up. Only quick skimming, though.
Random skim reads:
Nutella townish. Not sure I agree with reasons stated above ^ for SRing her.
iiafr townish. In fact, aside from disagreeing with half his reads, I'm ready to follow him to the ends of the subconscious and beyond.
Creature townish.
Hyena townish.
Dragomir creepish.
Eva placid. Uncertain how to read that. Leaning townish.
112 nullish. Conclusion: lynch them.
Elephant small. Beluga whales bigger. Scum.
Okay I'm done now. Disclosure: I made a bunch of these up on the spot.
is here a second non read on Dragomir again not alignament indicative. TSP gave a weird for Drago in post 474
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 9#p558159
Are you and TSP mindmelting?
This is perhaps hypocritical, but I like that Michelle is raising the issue re: Dragomir and people not taking a stance.
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:00 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:52 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:40 am
fuckit bros let's kill drago
Let's go.
[VOTE:
Dragomir] aubergine
can you show me where did you suspect Drago previously to see why are you voting him?
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:24 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:39 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:08 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:52 am
So I just woke up and I have to ask before I make any proper posts. In what world am I considered part of LLD's clique when I explicitly turned down the invitation back in champs?
good night!
What time is it at you?
Little past midnight. Took an accidental impromptu nap.
good night!
Don't forget to share your impression about Drago though when you cone back.
I also like that Michelle didn’t let the question go unanswered.
++++
Michelle voted Hyena. There’s a couple of minor things in Michelle’s favor, sure, but not enough to rule her out. Michelle can remain a suspect.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
There’s no context for this vote, so I can’t do anything with it.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:11 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:46 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:41 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:39 pm
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why the fuck is your vote still on me. I don't believe you have any reads of your own since you sheeped that for no reason and don't seem to have taken any stances since. Do you actually suspect me or do you just have zero original thpughts
I think you’re town but a bet is a bet
Garbage reason to vote someone. Anti-town. Screw the bet it's dumb and LLD doesn't deserve that kind of positive feedback rn.
I mean
If you wanna make the same bet on someone I’m game
I just want sheeple to follow my wisdom when I start paying attention
No, I don't. This bet thing is anti-town. Don't do it.
Are you gonna vote drago or Texas with me?
This shows a willingness to vote someone else instead of Dragomir.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:34 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:34 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:32 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:31 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:29 pm
From the 5 posts of TL thay I’ve read he seemed townie.
I suspect this sort of thing happens to him a lot when he plays outside his home community but who am I to stop you from ignoring the obvious scum in order to kill sweet TL instead.
who's the obvious scum?
Drago and to a lesser extent Texas
yea drago feels hard to wagon
i said kill drago like 3 times yesterday and people dont follow me
but its easy to wagon michelle and TL
i normally dont use these kinds of reads but the contrast is really stark
back onto drago it is
[v]dragomir[/v]
It’s too bad we weren’t on at the same time maybe if we’d harmonized people would’ve listened
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:52 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:49 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:46 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:39 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:35 pm
I think if we try hard enough we can make this a 6 way tie.
Who would you suggest for falling within that group?
No low posters. (e.g. Rej, Nova, DFar, etc.) I want to see people voting on people who have been active.
Note for future: if hyena is scum, very likely a partner in the low posters.
Frankly like 1/5 of the game is low posters. And with a game this size there is almost a guarantee that one of them is.
I'd almost bet two low posters are with a scum Hyena. My only hesitation there is that he could be purposefully baiting for this as scum.
Idk if he’s scum or not but yeah if he is I’d say partners in the low posters.
But let’s focus on getting drago dead first.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:07 pm
Alrighty guys I have to focus on work now.
Thank you so much for pushing drago with me, please finish the push and bring it home, I believe in you, etc. etc.
Even after reading all of this, I don’t have any idea why Nanook voted Dragomir.
There’s enthusiasm, but it looks like false enthusiasm.
++++
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME’s posts are teammate compatible. There’s an early vote followed by reasonless pushes for Dragomir’s lynch. That doesn’t mean NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME has to be Dragomir’s teammate, but as far as I’m concerned, he can remain a suspect and warrants further scrutiny.
novaselinenever
++++
I’ll let nova’s posts speak for themselves. nova can remain a suspect.
nutella
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 am
Lmao drago stop being creepy she's lesbian. Also aren't you like under 18 :\
First interaction. Okay.
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:26 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:52 pm
I don't really see the point in making character claiming legal when your character isn't alignment indicative. So I do believe in good characters being town, bad characters being scum. And with that being said, safe claims are probably a thing this game. This is technically a tinfoil but it's very logical in my eyes.
I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the rules. It's all pretty clear in the first post. Alignment has nothing to do with character. Claiming is illegal, only character claiming is ok because it has no bearing on role. So of course there can't be fake claims because that contradicts all of that. How are you not getting this
Second interaction. Me likey.
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:54 pm
Dragomir is getting a lot of townreads. I'd be stunned if this isn't TMI from somewhere.
or he's just bad and people have shit reads
...or is it you who has tmi
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:37 pm
Evenstar, Dragomir, Epignosis, Benson
nah, maybe, absolutely not, sure
I’m not really sure why there’s more confidence behind Benson than Dragomir here.
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:07 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:54 pm
maybe we should just lynch dragomir because i hate this post
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:59 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:54 pm
Dragomir is getting a lot of townreads. I'd be stunned if this isn't TMI from somewhere.
Stunned? Does that make *this* TMI then?
Mafucka ninja'd me. Shit lol. Mindmeld buddies. I got the same idea. He sounds way too sure that there is TMI involved, so he must know that I'm town.
Nah dude he made another post before that that basically said the same thing benson did and he just didn't see it. This is a legit reaction imo.
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:47 am
112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:40 am
Drago calls people on tonal stuff, but his is possibly the worst in the game. Is this an instance of someone accusing others of what they think they themselves are guilty of?
I'd have to reread him to assess this possibility. I do have concerns about him because usually when he's town I townread him very strongly from early on and I'm not getting that here (disclaimer, I incorrectly tunneled and mislynched him last game, but only after having that strong townread of him for a few days until circumstances led me to case him).
He may only have the second worst tone in the game though after Rej. But Rej's gonna Rej.
This looks like a genuine thought process.
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:53 am
Fine ok we can drop it. But like, what is your feeling on drago's alignment and how strong and why
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:54 pm
Dragomir is getting a lot of townreads. I'd be stunned if this isn't TMI from somewhere.
or he's just bad and people have shit reads
...or is it you who has tmi
I feel like I am living in crazytown. I'm getting so much heat and it doesn't feel legit.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:50 pm
This smells like scum jumping on village led suspicion to me. Who started this anti Mac rhetoric? Who has looked like they're taking advantage of wounded Mac?
These were two posts that directly reacted to the TMI garbage at the time. Do they not satisfy the criteria?
Ehh again they were reactions to it without addressing the premise. Again I'm more concerned about your confidence in drago being town.
Rather than chase Mac’s dick (see the context) and carry on this conversation, Nutella demanded MacDougall’s opinion on Dragomir. That’s good.
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:16 am
Aight let's try this. So many names
Epignosis
Hyena
Creature
112
Benson
iaafr
MacDougall
Master Radishes
Michelle
vanity.
Evenstar
Jackofhearts2005
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
DFaraday
Dom
Quin
sprityo
Texas Cloverleaf
Elephant
Lady Lambdadelta
Long Con
novaselinenever
Pawn Lelouch
Spiny Creature
Trustworthy Liberal
TonyStarkPrime
Dragomir
juliets
Rej
......This was hard. Much of this subject to change.
[VOTE:
rej] aubergine
Cool.
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:28 am
I would be okay with a Drago or Rej lynch or whatever but I am feeling radish as the galaxy brain option. However to echo something iaafr said about someone else, if he ends up being town it would be a mislynch I'd regret. So I want some input.
I don’t mind this post.
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:29 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:22 pm
TL and to some extent Drago feel like the too-easy options for D1. Though Drago has also kinda disappeared. See if some pressure brings him in.
[VOTE:
drago] aubergine
Prob not staying on either of these guys. I don't want to end in a lame small brained mislynch. I wanna catch the big fishes
who are your big fish candidates
Pawn, LLD, maybe juliets or elephant
Maybe nutella gave herself an out from voting Dragomir, but let’s be honest- nobody at this time was willing to lynch any of these people.
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:03 pm
Like I said earlier, I usually find Drago as a pretty strong townread early on when he's town (even when I mislynched him I had been townreading him for the first few days) and I haven't gotten that feeling at all here so my gut says he's likely scum.
I believe this.
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:19 pm
No?
++++
I saw nutella as a civilian throughout Day 1, and I don’t see anything here that changes my mind.
Pawn LeLouch
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:12 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:06 pm
Man, so many town reads being handed out like candy over here, there's gotta be some TMI underneath them.
Oh totes. The question is who is truthful and who is TMIing. Considering like half of the players have posted at least some reads by now. And that is something that will take a bit to figure out frankly due to needing more data points and associatives to work with. So it can be a concern but not one that should be at the forefront of your mind until at least D1 starts.
Okay.
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:32 am
Here’s a roughly ordered list from where I’m at now. Will try and write out comments for each person if I can later on but that might need to wait a bit due to school. So here's who I got before I needed to post.
Confirmed Town
Pawn Lelouch
Town
Creature
Town Lean
Master Radishes Love his interaction about Creature’s reaction and hard agree on hating the Sprityo post.
Iaafr
Epignosis
Vanity. His Nook insight is a towny type of insight and I have had that exact view on Michelle before in other games and have had it here already. It just feels like a genuine thought process.
Texas Cloverleaf
Null (+/neutral/-)
Evenstar (+)
MacDougall (+)
Nutella (+)
Spiny Creature(+) Note I am fully admitting to bias here due to the Hyena interactions but I just love her there, and while the content amount is low due to time, the actual content is good imo.
Benson (neutral)
112 (neutral)
Michelle (neutral) I fully admit I just have trouble reading her.
Juliets (Neutral) This is a weird one for me. Since she doesn’t actually have much content that is actually strong. Like she has it, but it all feels fairly shallow. However, I think her reaction to being stilted is real and as someone who is somewhat similar to that I can’t really endorse scum reads based on that due to not finding them accurate, and yes that does seem to be a fair bit of why people are scum reading her. So two conflicting views null out.
Jackofhearts2005 (neutral) Has the Creature read going for him but otherwise everything else is honestly very meh. It exists but that’s about it.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (neutral) There’s a passiveness and wishy washiness that I don’t really associate with town Nook but Vanity raised a really good point regarding him acting like a town who has been burned before which I can see. Two conflicting views null this out essentially.
Trustworthy Liberal (-)
Elephant (-)
Long Con (-)
TonyStarkPrime (-) So TSP has only a few things going on with him. The minor spat with Spiny, the one with me, and the relatively singleminded Juliets push. Spiny is a punctuation read that I find laughable on principle and am ignoring, the one on me I honestly didn't mind outside of his weird last sentence flip where he basically swapped to scum reading me at the end of the paragraph after leading up with town, since that was a strange look. Currently have this as a null - and their current position is currently tied directly to the opposite end as Juliets.
Scum Lean
Sprityo Mostly pure shitpost and the actual content post he put out was basically semi-incoherent when I looked through the ISO. Post #1413 exactly, is enough to drag him to scum lean,
Dragomir
Scum
Hyena
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Basically Don’t Exist yet and thus auto null (-) until more content.
DFaraday
Dom
Lady Lambdadelta
novaselinenever
Quin
Rej
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:10 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:06 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:00 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:39 am
Eh, fuck it. Both Hyena and Dragomir are fairly low, so I'm willing to take out the creep first. Since while I'm pretty damn sure he's one of the people who have been roleplaying their roles like Mac, he's still gross about it.
What makes you think Mac is roleplaying?
... wait, was it that one weird post way back, where Mac was strangely enthusiastic?
It was more of a series of posts from then but pretty much, yeah.
I think it could be hilarious if I started roleplaying mine. OR I could end up looking like Dragomir.
Do you think roleplaying is suspicious?
Not at all. When Dragomir is being a creep though when using what I believe roleplaying as an excuse, even as a bad joke, I don't see a reason to keep him around when he's already in my bottom 3 reads.
This is an early vote against Dragomir. The reasoning behind it isn’t strong, but it’s solid for a Day 1. I’m not really sure why Dragomir was “already in [your] bottom 3” prior to the creepiness, so perhaps you could elaborate on that Pawn.
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:27 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:25 pm
hey pawn whatup
which reads of yours should I sheep rn
Drago or TSP are probs my top two scum rn. MR, Creature, Vanity town. Also feeling pretty good about Epi and Texas rn.
Okay.
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:52 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:40 am
fuckit bros let's kill drago
Let's go.
[VOTE:
Dragomir] aubergine
There’s a measure of enthusiasm here, as Pawn voted Dragomir a second time.
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:36 pm
And thus the triad is broken and I can freely place my vote. Out of TL, Michelle, and Drago, Drago is by far the scummiest imo.
[VOTE:
Dragomir] aubergine
Third time’s a charm…
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:50 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:49 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm
fuck is Day over
You have 12 minutes. Epi and Drago are main 2 wagons.
Like hell.
Off of vote numbers yeah you two are. Unless 112 has made a big enough resurgence to make it a 3 way competition.
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:51 pm
> 112 5 votes
So they have then. 112 + Drago are the main two then.
This might not mean much at first glance, but at the time, I was certainly not a main candidate to be lynched, and I said as much. Why this is significant is that it means Pawn was unconcerned with keeping an eye on the poll in order to manipulate where the votes fell during crunch time.
++++
If I squint hard I could see a Dragomir teammate, but that last point resonates with me.
