The Syndicate

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:03 pm**

thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:29 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:20 pm You know what I love--players telling me how I should play the game. Seriously. It's my favorite. Almost as much as when people say that civvies deserved to be lynched.
You should have used sarcastic orange for this.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:04 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:57 pm @thellama73 @LoRab @Vivax I read Quin as town and have spoken about it at length. I do not expect anyone who has not been persuaded by my argument thus far to have a sudden change of heart now.

But we do have an hour and change remaining. Rather than trying to convince any Quin voters to change their minds about him, I am instead interested in hearing if they have any other strong suspicions. I am still lacking clear suspects myself, so I would like to explore new options anyway.

LoRab, I understand your vote is self-preservation. Do you have any thoughts on the individual players that are voting for you?

I don't think Quin is bad. However, I know that I am definitely not bad, and so I'm doing the only thing I can do to save myself.

Of those voting for me:
Kate bad,
DF no idea,
Elo I think good, but I keep getting pings,
Scotty back and forth on him.
Quin I think is civ.

I also am leaning towards DH has civ, but I'm not sure. Of the 2 out there right now where a vote could realistically save me, I'd rather vote DH than Quin--but my gut thinks this may be 3 civs.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:04 pm**

Changed vote to DH.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:05 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:03 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:59 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:58 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:54 pm Very funny to me that Golden can look at Dr Wilgy and say "Yeah this seems like a great person to vote with"
You just continue to make up narratives that aren't there.
This man's irony detector is broken, I see.
Doc (objously meme-ing and not caring about the game or contributing( - "Golden, vote with me, lmao"

Golden - "Yeah okay."

Me - "Insane and incredibly suspect that Golden thinks any vote with Doc attached to it is a good idea"

Golden "Why would you say I'm voting with Doc that is made up."

I town read doc wilgy.

And I don't think anyone, and definitely not you, could legitimately have the view that I'm voting you because Doc Wilgy is.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:05 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:37 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Going along with llama here and also by exclusion

We don't sheep in old school mafia. Do it again, and I will suspect you. Read and make up your own mind on things.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:05 pm**

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:57 pm @thellama73 @LoRab @Vivax I read Quin as town and have spoken about it at length. I do not expect anyone who has not been persuaded by my argument thus far to have a sudden change of heart now.

But we do have an hour and change remaining. Rather than trying to convince any Quin voters to change their minds about him, I am instead interested in hearing if they have any other strong suspicions. I am still lacking clear suspects myself, so I would like to explore new options anyway.

LoRab, I understand your vote is self-preservation. Do you have any thoughts on the individual players that are voting for you?
I don't think Quin is bad. However, I know that I am definitely not bad, and so I'm doing the only thing I can do to save myself.

Of those voting for me:
Kate bad,
DF no idea,
Elo I think good, but I keep getting pings,
Scotty back and forth on him.
Quin I think is civ.

I also am leaning towards DH has civ, but I'm not sure. Of the 2 out there right now where a vote could realistically save me, I'd rather vote DH than Quin--but my gut thinks this may be 3 civs.

Do it, vote for me. It will be funny and (if the civs give a shit and are paying attention) it will make the game impossible to lose.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:05 pm**

! DF git scrumblad tii. Lirub es pluyenf VARY ild skiil. Et es whut hus ulwuys muda har si firmetubla ut uny ullegnmant. E saa tha urgomant uguenst har, bot et es tii aurly fir ma ti boy et us u siled cusa.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:06 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:05 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:03 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:59 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:58 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:54 pm Very funny to me that Golden can look at Dr Wilgy and say "Yeah this seems like a great person to vote with"
You just continue to make up narratives that aren't there.
This man's irony detector is broken, I see.
Doc (objously meme-ing and not caring about the game or contributing( - "Golden, vote with me, lmao"

Golden - "Yeah okay."

Me - "Insane and incredibly suspect that Golden thinks any vote with Doc attached to it is a good idea"

Golden "Why would you say I'm voting with Doc that is made up."
I town read doc wilgy.

And I don't think anyone, and definitely not you, could legitimately have the view that I'm voting you because Doc Wilgy is.

No, you're voting me because you've deliberately mischaracterized what I've said in the thread to save your teammate. But thats okay.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:06 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:58 pm
thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:53 pm Only weak ones. After Quin, the people I am most uneasy about are probably DH, sig, bea, and G-Man (undecided on Lorab but willing to give her a pass for today.) I'm reading everyone else as pretty civ, except for DFaraday who I have no read on, because he never posts.
Can I get the bullet points of why you’re uneasy about all those folks?

Sure.
DH: Chatty, passive aggressive, posting lots of ISO's that don't say a whole lot, seems perpetually irritated and aggrieved, hasn't said anything to make me trust him.

sig: Got called out as mafia on Day 0, briefly garnered suspicion, but escaped any serious danger of being lynched. Since that time has largely disappeared into the background, possibly to avoid being noticed again.

bea: I never really trust her because I think she is great at maintaining the same demeanor regardless of alignment. That being said, her cheerfulness feels slightly more forced this game. I may be imagining it.

G-Man: Has some (I assume) legitimate real-life obstacles to being active, but his play feels on autopilot compared to what I remember from the old days. He pops in with an occasionally "golden the coward", but hasn't really contributed anything of substance. Might be hiding.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:06 pm**

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:04 pm Changed vote to DH.

Nice.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm**

Players I Have a High Degree of Trust In Right Now:
Golden
Scotty
Quin

Players I Trust a Bit, But Not As Much As Those Guys:
thellama
New Vivax
Michelle

Players That Are In A Vague Blob of Uncertainty:
bea
DFaraday
DrWilgy
G-Man
Kate
Sig

Players I Have Had Reasons to Suspect, But Have Also Seen Glimpses of Town:
Elohcin
LoRab

DharmaHelper:
DharmaHelper

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:06 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:05 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:03 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:59 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:58 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:54 pm Very funny to me that Golden can look at Dr Wilgy and say "Yeah this seems like a great person to vote with"
You just continue to make up narratives that aren't there.
This man's irony detector is broken, I see.
Doc (objously meme-ing and not caring about the game or contributing( - "Golden, vote with me, lmao"

Golden - "Yeah okay."

Me - "Insane and incredibly suspect that Golden thinks any vote with Doc attached to it is a good idea"

Golden "Why would you say I'm voting with Doc that is made up."
I town read doc wilgy.

And I don't think anyone, and definitely not you, could legitimately have the view that I'm voting you because Doc Wilgy is.
No, you're voting me because you've deliberately mischaracterized what I've said in the thread to save your teammate. But thats okay.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm**

Very cool and not at all obvious EOD bandwagon to save a mafia teammate though guys great job.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:08 pm**

Kate is incredibly lynchable btw.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:09 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm Very cool and not at all obvious EOD bandwagon to save a mafia teammate though guys great job.

Who is being saved? Who is doing the saving?

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:09 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:06 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:04 pm Changed vote to DH.
Nice.

My choice is 100% self preservation.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:09 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:08 pm Kate is incredibly lynchable btw.

How come?

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:09 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm Very cool and not at all obvious EOD bandwagon to save a mafia teammate though guys great job.

It is an interestingly sudden shift, I grant you.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:10 pm**

I've been civ all day for my approach to you but now, at the deadline, I'm mafia saving a teammate.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:10 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:06 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:05 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:03 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:59 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:58 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:54 pm Very funny to me that Golden can look at Dr Wilgy and say "Yeah this seems like a great person to vote with"
You just continue to make up narratives that aren't there.
This man's irony detector is broken, I see.
Doc (objously meme-ing and not caring about the game or contributing( - "Golden, vote with me, lmao"

Golden - "Yeah okay."

Me - "Insane and incredibly suspect that Golden thinks any vote with Doc attached to it is a good idea"

Golden "Why would you say I'm voting with Doc that is made up."
I town read doc wilgy.

And I don't think anyone, and definitely not you, could legitimately have the view that I'm voting you because Doc Wilgy is.
No, you're voting me because you've deliberately mischaracterized what I've said in the thread to save your teammate. But thats okay.

You're ether bad or you're going to feel really taken advantage of in a few hours.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:10 pm**

I doubt DHs vote stays on himself so it's not quite as extreme as it looks right now.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:10 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:09 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm Very cool and not at all obvious EOD bandwagon to save a mafia teammate though guys great job.
Who is being saved? Who is doing the saving?

I'm not going to do the work that you won't read anyway.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:11 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:10 pm I doubt DHs vote stays on himself so it's not quite as extreme as it looks right now.

You would think that.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:11 pm**

thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:58 pm
thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:53 pm Only weak ones. After Quin, the people I am most uneasy about are probably DH, sig, bea, and G-Man (undecided on Lorab but willing to give her a pass for today.) I'm reading everyone else as pretty civ, except for DFaraday who I have no read on, because he never posts.
Can I get the bullet points of why you’re uneasy about all those folks?
Sure.
DH: Chatty, passive aggressive, posting lots of ISO's that don't say a whole lot, seems perpetually irritated and aggrieved, hasn't said anything to make me trust him.

sig: Got called out as mafia on Day 0, briefly garnered suspicion, but escaped any serious danger of being lynched. Since that time has largely disappeared into the background, possibly to avoid being noticed again.

bea: I never really trust her because I think she is great at maintaining the same demeanor regardless of alignment. That being said, her cheerfulness feels slightly more forced this game. I may be imagining it.

G-Man: Has some (I assume) legitimate real-life obstacles to being active, but his play feels on autopilot compared to what I remember from the old days. He pops in with an occasionally "golden the coward", but hasn't really contributed anything of substance. Might be hiding.

I'm not terribly alarmed by the pattern of sig's involvement to this point. All of this reads like standard protocol when sig is in the game.

I have no substantive thoughts on either bea or G-man just yet, but I'd be interested in exploring them briefly right now. Imma go have a look.

No comment on DH here because there is plenty of discussion ongoing about him.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:12 pm**

thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:09 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm Very cool and not at all obvious EOD bandwagon to save a mafia teammate though guys great job.
It is an interestingly sudden shift, I grant you.

Almost seems kind of deliberate, huh

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:12 pm**

We should get some useful data from this, whatever happens.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:12 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:09 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm Very cool and not at all obvious EOD bandwagon to save a mafia teammate though guys great job.
Who is being saved? Who is doing the saving?
I'm not going to do the work that you won't read anyway.

I am once again asking you a question explicitly because I am interested in your response.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:12 pm**

thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:58 pm
thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:53 pm
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Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:12 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:12 pm
thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:09 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm Very cool and not at all obvious EOD bandwagon to save a mafia teammate though guys great job.
It is an interestingly sudden shift, I grant you.
Almost seems kind of deliberate, huh

I have been pretty upfront about the fact that I would prefer we find an option not named Quin, if that counts.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:13 pm**

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:13 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:10 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:06 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:05 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:03 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:59 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:58 pm

You just continue to make up narratives that aren't there.
This man's irony detector is broken, I see.
Doc (objously meme-ing and not caring about the game or contributing( - "Golden, vote with me, lmao"

Golden - "Yeah okay."

Me - "Insane and incredibly suspect that Golden thinks any vote with Doc attached to it is a good idea"

Golden "Why would you say I'm voting with Doc that is made up."
I town read doc wilgy.

And I don't think anyone, and definitely not you, could legitimately have the view that I'm voting you because Doc Wilgy is.
No, you're voting me because you've deliberately mischaracterized what I've said in the thread to save your teammate. But thats okay.

You're ether bad or you're going to feel really taken advantage of in a few hours.

The agency for my decision making is my own. I think I'm right, but if I'm wrong, it's not because anyone has taken advantage of me. It's your behaviour, and no one else's, that has determined my vote.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:13 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:12 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:09 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm Very cool and not at all obvious EOD bandwagon to save a mafia teammate though guys great job.
Who is being saved? Who is doing the saving?
I'm not going to do the work that you won't read anyway.
I am once again asking you a question explicitly because I am interested in your response.

I'm once again telling you that I have zero interest in answering your question if people have zero interest in actually reading what I say to begin with :P

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:14 pm**

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:14 pm**

Kate is the most suspicious me vote, is what I'll say.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:15 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:46 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:18 am
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:08 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:36 pm You guys will get there eventuallt.
oh thank Cthulhu I can finally role check you tonite
Did you just role claim a mafia role?

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:52 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:25 am [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

For snipey pop-in
If pointing out a strange post makes me seem suspish to you, I’m ok with that.
These two posts go together. LoRab thinks this jokey scum claim from Scotty is alignment indicative (a later post clarifies this somewhat). I'm okay with that.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:02 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 am

Do you sus Scotty for that ?
Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.
Follows from the above, but I am confused at the "looking for votes as a civ thing" part. Need her to explain this.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:33 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:30 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:02 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 am

Do you sus Scotty for that ?
Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.
Hi.

Here’s my response:

Really? That’s the hill you’re leading a charge on? Yikes.
I wasn't leading a charge. I was noticing a weirdness. But ok.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:38 pm
Lorab did indeed pop in, as Vivax pointed out, just to call attention to my joke post. That…sure is something. She needs to offer more than that.

Obviously, I didn't read it as a joke post--to be fair, I was reading the entire day's worth of posts, so I likely missed tone. And I will offer more--as I said in the sign ups, I was away for a long weekend, so didn't have much time to get into the game. And yesterday was traveling back home yesterday. As I'm sure you remember, you'll get plenty more from me.

I'm going to assume that you are a civ, and that you are reading me as bad because you are not. But, keeping in mind that it could be a switcheroo.
Her conclusion from all this is that he's town, because scum reading LoRab in this game is a thing civilians do. But also, Scotty could be scum because 'switcheroo'. Do you think you deserve to be scum read, LoRab? I do.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:47 pm I am not going to, but tempted to vote axehole, because he doesn’t seem to honor at all the way other people play, and not adapting to the way many of us are used to. Which is frustrating, and I’m trying not to let me suspect him because I’m annoyed. Similar with VIVA.
This post may as well have not been made. It has nothing to do with the game.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:52 pm Voting Bea.

[VOTE: Bea] aubergine

I don’t suspect her much, but I don’t have a read on her yet. And I want her to come out and play more.
Give me a better reason than this for why you voted bea, please. The last two posts set you up to look like you were making the most inoffensive vote possible.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:29 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:02 pm
@LoRab got any reads yet?

I don’t like how quiet it is. Suggests the mafia are under no real pressure at all. The game is coasting.
Not really. I’m not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow. And really wanting to know what happened to bea. I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel goosed about because don’t want to help mafia. And not convinced the game secrets don’t contain weirdness that makes the allegiances less obvious than they seem.
Revising what I said before. I misremembered this post as LoRab talking about not wanting to explain her town reads, which I thought was a bad look because she lacked the clout needed for scum to want to react to them. Now reading it again, that's all because Scotty specified town reads in his ISO. What a nugget. I'm not concerned if she's holding back on her scum reads.

I still have absolutely no idea what is going on in LoRab's head besides "Scotty could be either good or bad".

Not repeating Scotty's ISO in here, I agree with all of it. You said you have more time, so I'd appreciate you using it to respond to this, and provide reads. [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine
Do I “deserve” to be suspected? I mean, i don’t think I’ve ever played and not been suspected. Especially on here.

Indeed, I don’t have many reads. It’s day frigging 2 and I haven’t played in a while. Also, I tend to think more about mechanics than read early in games. Mainly because my reads on people come largely from pattern recognition of individual’s posts, which takes time.

To define terms: switchers= OMGUS. In the mafia culture I learned in, of which this site came from, that was the standard term.

Civvie roles that want to get voted out (often day 1) are not uncommon. And fake slipping is a way that role is often played.

I voted Bea because I usually read her fairly easily, but I don’t have a read on her yet. So I wanted her to know she has my eyeball on her.

I’m civ. I get that I’ve been quiet and that I don’t currently have strong reads. I also know that my style often reads bad on this site. I had thought maybe that would be the case in this old timers game, but here we are.

Im civv. Don’t know how to prove that or convince anyone of that. But none of what has been said about me is allignment indicative. It’s just me.

And, because someone will call me out if I don’t. Eye me all you want.
I unfortunately have yet to see you have any reads. This is different from your annoyance at being suspected for not having strong or many reads.
You even clarify that you don’t even have a read for bea, the only real person you’ve shown opinion for.

Furthermore, I don't see evidence in the thread of you thinking about mechanics either.

I see has multiple posts where she talks about mechanics.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:15 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:05 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:03 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:59 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:58 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:54 pm Very funny to me that Golden can look at Dr Wilgy and say "Yeah this seems like a great person to vote with"
You just continue to make up narratives that aren't there.
This man's irony detector is broken, I see.
Doc (objously meme-ing and not caring about the game or contributing( - "Golden, vote with me, lmao"

Golden - "Yeah okay."

Me - "Insane and incredibly suspect that Golden thinks any vote with Doc attached to it is a good idea"

Golden "Why would you say I'm voting with Doc that is made up."
I town read doc wilgy.

And I don't think anyone, and definitely not you, could legitimately have the view that I'm voting you because Doc Wilgy is.

lol y tho?

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:17 pm**

It would be very funny if both Quin and LoRab were bad wouldn't it.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:17 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:30 pm I'm not sure if Quin is on LoraB for the same reasons as Scotty.
Spoiler: show

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:08 am
Spoiler: show
LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:36 pm You guys will get there eventuallt.
oh thank Cthulhu I can finally role check you tonite
Did you just role claim a mafia role?

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:52 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:25 am [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

For snipey pop-in
If pointing out a strange post makes me seem suspish to you, I’m ok with that.
These two posts go together. LoRab thinks this jokey scum claim from Scotty is alignment indicative (a later post clarifies this somewhat). I'm okay with that.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:02 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 am

Do you sus Scotty for that ?
Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.
Follows from the above, but I am confused at the "looking for votes as a civ thing" part. Need her to explain this.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:33 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:30 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:02 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 am

Do you sus Scotty for that ?
Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.
Hi.

Here’s my response:

Really? That’s the hill you’re leading a charge on? Yikes.
I wasn't leading a charge. I was noticing a weirdness. But ok.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:38 pm
Lorab did indeed pop in, as Vivax pointed out, just to call attention to my joke post. That…sure is something. She needs to offer more than that.

Obviously, I didn't read it as a joke post--to be fair, I was reading the entire day's worth of posts, so I likely missed tone. And I will offer more--as I said in the sign ups, I was away for a long weekend, so didn't have much time to get into the game. And yesterday was traveling back home yesterday. As I'm sure you remember, you'll get plenty more from me.

I'm going to assume that you are a civ, and that you are reading me as bad because you are not. But, keeping in mind that it could be a switcheroo.
Her conclusion from all this is that he's town, because scum reading LoRab in this game is a thing civilians do. But also, Scotty could be scum because 'switcheroo'. Do you think you deserve to be scum read, LoRab? I do.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:47 pm I am not going to, but tempted to vote axehole, because he doesn’t seem to honor at all the way other people play, and not adapting to the way many of us are used to. Which is frustrating, and I’m trying not to let me suspect him because I’m annoyed. Similar with VIVA.
This post may as well have not been made. It has nothing to do with the game.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:52 pm Voting Bea.

[VOTE: Bea] aubergine

I don’t suspect her much, but I don’t have a read on her yet. And I want her to come out and play more.
Give me a better reason than this for why you voted bea, please. The last two posts set you up to look like you were making the most inoffensive vote possible.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:29 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:02 pm
@LoRab got any reads yet?

I don’t like how quiet it is. Suggests the mafia are under no real pressure at all. The game is coasting.
Not really. I’m not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow. And really wanting to know what happened to bea. I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel goosed about because don’t want to help mafia. And not convinced the game secrets don’t contain weirdness that makes the allegiances less obvious than they seem.

Revising what I said before. I misremembered this post as LoRab talking about not wanting to explain her town reads, which I thought was a bad look because she lacked the clout needed for scum to want to react to them. Now reading it again, that's all because Scotty specified town reads in his ISO. What a nugget. I'm not concerned if she's holding back on her scum reads.

I still have absolutely no idea what is going on in LoRab's head besides "Scotty could be either good or bad".

Not repeating Scotty's ISO in here, I agree with all of it. You said you have more time, so I'd appreciate you using it to respond to this, and provide reads. [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 10:46 pm I’m gonna identify a pattern for you.

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:23 am Popping in. I’ll be driving most of the day, and so I can do so safely, will not be posting and driving. But I will try to check in on stops.

Note well use adverb above, as well as in this sentence.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:33 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:30 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:02 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 am

Do you sus Scotty for that ?
Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.
Hi.

Here’s my response:

Really? That’s the hill you’re leading a charge on? Yikes.
I wasn't leading a charge. I was noticing a weirdness. But ok.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:38 pm
Lorab did indeed pop in, as Vivax pointed out, just to call attention to my joke post. That…sure is something. She needs to offer more than that.

Obviously, I didn't read it as a joke post--to be fair, I was reading the entire day's worth of posts, so I likely missed tone. And I will offer more--as I said in the sign ups, I was away for a long weekend, so didn't have much time to get into the game. And yesterday was traveling back home yesterday. As I'm sure you remember, you'll get plenty more from me.

I'm going to assume that you are a civ, and that you are reading me as bad because you are not. But, keeping in mind that it could be a switcheroo.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:38 pm Home from work. Just finished reading through the rest of day. And don’t worry—I’m going to vote. There’s over 20 minutes left. Why rush?

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:02 pm I'm here!! Went to bed before the results posted last night (because I'm an old person). RIPIYWG (nd you probably were), Splints. (and yes, I know that all of the night victims are likely civ, but I make no assumptions--assumptions are dangerous in this game). And sorry that this post is kind of all over the place.

Splints is a good player, and so I can see why she'd be a N1 target for mafia. Especially if one of the players is someone whom she historically has been able to read. Now I need to remember who that could be. And, mafia knows that anyone not on their team is civ, so is a good target no matter what.

And I should have a normal-er schedule now, so can post more regularly. And maybe actually get reads on people.

Also, I swear that I totally submitted a song for the contest, but now that message seems to have disappeared, and it's super weird. And I'm curious where it went to.

Looking at the visible night results, Kate was Greened and Bea was somethinged. Not knowing what role/circumstance had that effect on Bea, hard to say if that's good or bad. I disagree with whomever said it was a result of the map poll--since she wasn't the only Canada voter, but seems to be the only one whose posts have been altered. And she even said (I think?) that it wasn't Vompatti.

I have more thoughts and I'll remember them later.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:29 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:02 pm
@LoRab got any reads yet?

I don’t like how quiet it is. Suggests the mafia are under no real pressure at all. The game is coasting.
Not really. I’m not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow. And really wanting to know what happened to bea. I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel goosed about because don’t want to help mafia. And not convinced the game secrets don’t contain weirdness that makes the allegiances less obvious than they seem.
Anyone else noticing the pattern?

Spoiler: show
It’s full of excuses.

Now I want to preface that I know she has outlined her time constraints. Everyone has a life outside the game. But the excuses are starting to add up and there’s nothing to show with it. All of her posts have been real nothing burgers and she’s obviously reading along because she’s made multiple comments like “did he just claim mafia” and “it’s weird that JJJ is voting” and yet “I have no reads” or “I have town reads but don’t want to give the mafia any ideas”

I expect more…something substantive at this point.

What do you have to say about Scotty and my ISO's of LoRab?

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:19 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:14 pm Kate is the most suspicious me vote, is what I'll say.

Why?

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:19 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:15 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:05 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:03 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:59 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:58 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:54 pm Very funny to me that Golden can look at Dr Wilgy and say "Yeah this seems like a great person to vote with"
You just continue to make up narratives that aren't there.
This man's irony detector is broken, I see.
Doc (objously meme-ing and not caring about the game or contributing( - "Golden, vote with me, lmao"

Golden - "Yeah okay."

Me - "Insane and incredibly suspect that Golden thinks any vote with Doc attached to it is a good idea"

Golden "Why would you say I'm voting with Doc that is made up."
I town read doc wilgy.

And I don't think anyone, and definitely not you, could legitimately have the view that I'm voting you because Doc Wilgy is.
lol y tho?

I've been paying attention to what people taste like and I have to say I think it's a genuine contribution without agenda.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:19 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:13 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:10 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:06 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:05 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:03 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:59 pm

This man's irony detector is broken, I see.
Doc (objously meme-ing and not caring about the game or contributing( - "Golden, vote with me, lmao"

Golden - "Yeah okay."

Me - "Insane and incredibly suspect that Golden thinks any vote with Doc attached to it is a good idea"

Golden "Why would you say I'm voting with Doc that is made up."
I town read doc wilgy.

And I don't think anyone, and definitely not you, could legitimately have the view that I'm voting you because Doc Wilgy is.
No, you're voting me because you've deliberately mischaracterized what I've said in the thread to save your teammate. But thats okay.

You're ether bad or you're going to feel really taken advantage of in a few hours.
The agency for my decision making is my own. I think I'm right, but if I'm wrong, it's not because anyone has taken advantage of me. It's your behaviour, and no one else's, that has determined my vote.

I'm trying to think of you as civ because if you're bad and you had such an emotional reaction to me in order to get me to back off I'd be sad.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:20 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:12 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:09 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm Very cool and not at all obvious EOD bandwagon to save a mafia teammate though guys great job.
Who is being saved? Who is doing the saving?
I'm not going to do the work that you won't read anyway.
I am once again asking you a question explicitly because I am interested in your response.

I'm once again telling you that I have zero interest in answering your question if people have zero interest in actually reading what I say to begin with :P

I am people and assure you that I have interest.

I ask because I want Town DharmaHelper to show me his towniness.

Apparently this post was caught in linki for 5 minutes while I did other things

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:20 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:19 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:14 pm Kate is the most suspicious me vote, is what I'll say.
Why?

Because if I were mafia and I had the ability to take out someone's on topic discussions for a whole phase I would not waste it on Kate unless she was my teammate and asked me to do it and I wanted to keep her from being lynched for being inactive.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:22 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:20 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:12 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:09 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:07 pm Very cool and not at all obvious EOD bandwagon to save a mafia teammate though guys great job.
Who is being saved? Who is doing the saving?
I'm not going to do the work that you won't read anyway.
I am once again asking you a question explicitly because I am interested in your response.

I'm once again telling you that I have zero interest in answering your question if people have zero interest in actually reading what I say to begin with :P
I am people and assure you that I have interest.

I ask because I want Town DharmaHelper to show me his towniness.

Apparently this post was caught in linki for 5 minutes while I did other things

Its fine lmao you don't have to pretend to be interested in reading what I said ever, nobody else did, they just invented a bus and the civs now have a roadmap to winning the game so its chill.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:22 pm**

A vote for Bea at this stage would be a total shot in the dark. That is better than voting for a town read, but it is not ideal.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:23 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:19 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:14 pm Kate is the most suspicious me vote, is what I'll say.
Why?
Because if I were mafia and I had the ability to take out someone's on topic discussions for a whole phase I would not waste it on Kate unless she was my teammate and asked me to do it and I wanted to keep her from being lynched for being inactive.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:24 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:22 pm A vote for Bea at this stage would be a total shot in the dark. That is better than voting for a town read, but it is not ideal.

Why would you vote for bea, vote for me.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:24 pm**

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:24 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:22 pm A vote for Bea at this stage would be a total shot in the dark. That is better than voting for a town read, but it is not ideal.
Why would you vote for bea, vote for me.

Was sorta talking to myself as a follow-up to an earlier exchange with llama.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:25 pm**

huva ti vita und gat buck ti wirk.

et faals ecky bot e din't leka aethar if tha laudars us u lynch cnudeduta. Si gieng weth u tiss in vita ti vev fir my noll raud und luck if siled sospact.

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