The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:52 am**

Note:

Whatever people’s alignment, anyone who deliberately robs me of my voting agency is either an absurdly overconfident civilian or a flat mafioso.

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:54 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:34 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:32 pm Fwiw my colin vote is not a placeholder I genuinely want to kill him
this isnt really optimal

if he doesnt post he’s getting subbed out so idc
I strongly disagree and am largely pro-killing lurkers, especially when I feel good about a towncore

how do you feel about LC?

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:55 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:39 am I don’t know if I am supposed to interpret this as a vote demand, but I’m not taking chances with my role. Refer to my very first post.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I actually totally forgot you had that silly gimmick. Anyway it wasn't a vote demand. If I wanted to force you to vote a certain way I'd say "vote LC now please".

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:55 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:48 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:44 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:45 pm and I generally believe that having to fake orgasmic back and forths with a partner amps up the awkwardness
Honey, I can tell you some stories...
ORGANIC

I MEANT ORGANIC

LOL

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:57 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:40 pm It'd be neat and swell and stuff if some folks could give me a quick ranking (least-to-most suspicious/worthy of chopping) of the four players <20 posts:

KitsuShel
sprityo
DrWilgy
ColinIsCool

KitsuShel is my strongest townraed.

The other three are null for me. Plausibly I should be scumleaning spirityo for the lazy "chop the Miller claims" strategy but I get the feeling he would do it as town also so it's probably NAI.

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:59 am**

that midday nap messed me up

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:03 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:36 pm Nanook what do you think of FG and LC after recent developments?
FG remains high end POE imo, LC low end

Sorry, didn't see this post before I asked you about LC.

Let's talk about the comparison between LC and Colin. You've indicated that you would want to kill Colin more than LC. Why do you think Colin has higher scum equity?

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:06 am**

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I award you zero Jimmy Bucks for your hunting to this point.

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:23 am**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:12 pm I find it hard to believe that a civilian Long Con just blows the hell up like that without even asking me any questions or anything. Straight from 0 to murder rage. I am capable of quick turns on players, but that's not something I can recall feeling before.
Alison just accused you and LC and then voted for LC while acknowledging that nobody was coming for your head.

Huh.

I'm a realistic player. JJJ is townread by enough players that I don't think it's likely I'll be able to kill him today. LC is a much more viable kill. If I think both are wolf, I should vote LC rather than waste my time banging against a brick wall and getting neither JJJ nor LC killed in the end.

I also think LC has slightly higher wolf equity, because if I am wrong about it being W/W, I would tend to believe the wolf between them is LC.

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:25 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:10 pm Kitsu knowing their role but not knowing it was called a miller is hugely town indicative

I don’t know if I can say why but it looks like people are already there

Yeah Kitsu is just spewed town many times over by this point. Not re-evaluating read until F3 short of a cop check.

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:26 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:25 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:10 pm Kitsu knowing their role but not knowing it was called a miller is hugely town indicative

I don’t know if I can say why but it looks like people are already there
Yeah Kitsu is just spewed town many times over by this point. Not re-evaluating read until F3 short of a cop check.

not re-evaluating this read*

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:32 am**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:52 pm i actually read her as town right now. her reaction towards me prematurely town reading her was very pure. as for her reads/pushes, i'm not like the biggest fan of them-- it seems like the same agenda-driven pushes i've seen in her past wolf games. it's not the hardest town read i got. i'm willing to change it in light of new evidence

outed wolf
outed wolf
outed wolf
outed wolf
outed wolf

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:34 am**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:52 pm i actually read her as town right now. her reaction towards me prematurely town reading her was very pure. as for her reads/pushes, i'm not like the biggest fan of them-- it seems like the same agenda-driven pushes i've seen in her past wolf games. it's not the hardest town read i got. i'm willing to change it in light of new evidence

Let's talk about this post seriously though. What does "agenda-driven pushes" mean to you and why is it applicable to me this game?

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:39 am**

does spirityo do this "I refuse to put in effort" thing every game or just this one

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:43 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:39 am does spirityo do this "I refuse to put in effort" thing every game or just this one

Not every game, but it’s not exactly a rarity either

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:44 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:10 am [VOTE: Kitsushel] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:44 am**

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:27 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:10 am Kitsu has 15 posts. These are the only two that are game-related in any way

And we have the 39th Miller claim of the game.

Why are people townreading Kitsu? Look at his ISO. The other 13 posts are five nothing intro posts, anecdotal talk of other sites, one that confirmed he knew what a Miller was... it's extremely lean. I know you think I'm probably trying to use my scum tricks on you, but look for yourselves and let me know why I'm wrong.

[VOTE: Kitsushel] aubergine
Ok, here we go.

Most of you know each and play regularly with each other, I assume? That’s how you can guess and get reads off of each other’s play styles. Wtf do i have to go off of? Pretty much jack and shit. Which is why I’ve been trying to respond the best I can and try to stay active in a game I feel completely overwhelmed in.

Also, because out of the 1000 posts in this thread, *all* of them were game related? Or are you just singling me out because I’m the duckling trying to get my feet wet and you think I’d be an easy target?

kitsu is so obviously town

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:46 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:38 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:37 am The thinking on kitsu’s claim is that she a) didn’t claim when she’d seen people talking about millers, but b) did claim when it was clarified to her what a miller actually does.

This suggests that she doesn’t have teammates who, presumably, would have been talking about millers.

It’s not a hard clear but it’s highly suggestive shes town.
She's also been playing Mafia for over a decade. Your read here sounds like it's on someone fresh and new and innocent to any thought of deception.

I've been playing Mafia for over a decade and I wish I could fake that level of purity as wolf.

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:52 am**

Catchup spam over. I hope my posts weren't too hard to read.

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:11 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:48 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:44 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:45 pm and I generally believe that having to fake orgasmic back and forths with a partner amps up the awkwardness
Honey, I can tell you some stories...
ORGANIC

I MEANT ORGANIC

I’m dying laughing right now, that was fantastic and hysterical!

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:25 am**

If time permits tomorrow I would like to start digging into two-way interactions.

Please note that I may not be available at EOD. I’m preparing a talk for a virtual conference and my team is likely to be calling on me all day and evening.

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:50 am**

Why is TSP voting for me in the poll?

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:51 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:34 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:52 pm i actually read her as town right now. her reaction towards me prematurely town reading her was very pure. as for her reads/pushes, i'm not like the biggest fan of them-- it seems like the same agenda-driven pushes i've seen in her past wolf games. it's not the hardest town read i got. i'm willing to change it in light of new evidence
Let's talk about this post seriously though. What does "agenda-driven pushes" mean to you and why is it applicable to me this game?

to me it means that someone comes approaches the game with a predetermined objective (e.g. x or y are good players to push). rn our reads are very different, so you could be suspecting towns that are both easy to off and whose flips wouldn't incriminate you. i also could be wrong though-- honestly it's way too early to make that kinda call on your play, but i'm noting your reads for when flips happen. that's partly why i liked that we mind melded earlier. i also just like mind melds

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:52 am**

tbf i've probably been hella thrown off 'cause y'all started suspecting me and i got frustrated. it's whatever though

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:54 am**

it's more accurate to say your approach to forming reads is the same as when you had an agenda, but that could be because tone-wise your scum game mirrors your town one

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:40 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:05 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:28 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:27 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:55 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:47 am In hindsight, I have entirely screwed up the town to mafia ratio in this game since I've given the entire town my unchoppableness. I think adding eight more wolves and a vigilante or two will set things right. Please stand by for new role pms.

Spoiler: show

I was just going to say it would be funny if jack created a game that was just all town. It would be like a monsters are due on maple street type deal. Jack is the only real mafia making us all turn on each other.

this “what if we’re all town” speculation is, in my experience, more likely to actually come from town
I like that take. Sabie town.
If there’s one LC post I like, it’s this one. Hally’s positive mark for sabie is on the frivolous side, and LC was content to support it anyway. sabie is a player the mafia may need to chop to win the game just given her lower volume. It’s a small thing but whatever there you go.

I get the thought process but also

My impression is that LC doesn’t necessarily think long term like that, in terms of “who do I need to be able to push three days from now to win”

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:51 am**

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:55 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:05 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:28 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:27 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:55 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:47 am In hindsight, I have entirely screwed up the town to mafia ratio in this game since I've given the entire town my unchoppableness. I think adding eight more wolves and a vigilante or two will set things right. Please stand by for new role pms.

Spoiler: show

I was just going to say it would be funny if jack created a game that was just all town. It would be like a monsters are due on maple street type deal. Jack is the only real mafia making us all turn on each other.

this “what if we’re all town” speculation is, in my experience, more likely to actually come from town
I like that take. Sabie town.
If there’s one LC post I like, it’s this one. Hally’s positive mark for sabie is on the frivolous side, and LC was content to support it anyway. sabie is a player the mafia may need to chop to win the game just given her lower volume. It’s a small thing but whatever there you go.

Why do you want me to get chopped? Are you going to chop me and get me out of the way?
Sadface
I'm trying. I'm just not around as much when the millions of posts see happening. It takes me a little bit to get into games and even though you said catching up is pointless I like to anyway so I have an idea of what's going on.

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:57 am**

[mention]sabie12[/mention] I don’t want you to get chopped. You misunderstood me.

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:59 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:11 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:07 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:07 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:05 am
If there’s one LC post I like, it’s this one. Hally’s positive mark for sabie is on the frivolous side, and LC was content to support it anyway. sabie is a player the mafia may need to chop to win the game just given her lower volume. It’s a small thing but whatever there you go.
What is the purpose in this statement?
Sorry the bold isn't too obvious.
Oh

The mafia are ill-advised to work against mischops that could be within their reach. sabie may be easier to take out than the loudmouths just given that it’s generally easier to chop quieter players. So LC’s support of her, at least in that moment, wasn’t what I’d call a pro-mafia move (assuming sabie is a civilian).

[mention]sabie12[/mention]

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:00 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:54 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:34 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:32 pm Fwiw my colin vote is not a placeholder I genuinely want to kill him
this isnt really optimal

if he doesnt post he’s getting subbed out so idc
I strongly disagree and am largely pro-killing lurkers, especially when I feel good about a towncore
how do you feel about LC?

Low end POE, I think his frustration is genuine and I understand it and I don’t think it’s indicative

Otherwise do not have a strong read on him

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:01 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:03 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:36 pm Nanook what do you think of FG and LC after recent developments?
FG remains high end POE imo, LC low end
Sorry, didn't see this post before I asked you about LC.

Let's talk about the comparison between LC and Colin. You've indicated that you would want to kill Colin more than LC. Why do you think Colin has higher scum equity?

I don’t particularly

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:02 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:25 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:10 pm Kitsu knowing their role but not knowing it was called a miller is hugely town indicative

I don’t know if I can say why but it looks like people are already there
Yeah Kitsu is just spewed town many times over by this point. Not re-evaluating read until F3 short of a cop check.

Was this...

A joke?

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:02 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:57 am @sabie12 I don’t want you to get chopped. You misunderstood me.

I mean like you're giving the mafia ideas to get rid of me. Don't encourage that. Not cooool

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:04 am**

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:02 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:57 am @sabie12 I don’t want you to get chopped. You misunderstood me.

I mean like you're giving the mafia ideas to get rid of me. Don't encourage that. Not cooool

If you’re a civilian there’s a good chance they’ll try. Now you can prepare yourself for war.

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:05 am**

speaking of not cool, where's colin?

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:05 am**

If it’s unclear, chop is my current replacement for “lynch”. I realize that could be confused with night kill.

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:06 am**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:05 am speaking of not cool, where's colin?

He signed up for this ages ago and it was delayed months. I doubt he even knows the game is active.

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:09 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:06 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:05 am speaking of not cool, where's colin?
He signed up for this ages ago and it was delayed months. I doubt he even knows the game is active.

rip

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:11 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:04 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:02 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:57 am @sabie12 I don’t want you to get chopped. You misunderstood me.

I mean like you're giving the mafia ideas to get rid of me. Don't encourage that. Not cooool
If you’re a civilian there’s a good chance they’ll try. Now you can prepare yourself for war.

And if you're a civilian then don't let them.

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:13 am**

today is the big day. I'm sure all will go okay wish me luck! I'll check in here and there and I'll be home by end of day

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:13 am**

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:11 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:04 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:02 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:57 am @sabie12 I don’t want you to get chopped. You misunderstood me.

I mean like you're giving the mafia ideas to get rid of me. Don't encourage that. Not cooool
If you’re a civilian there’s a good chance they’ll try. Now you can prepare yourself for war.
And if you're a civilian then don't let them.

This exchange is making you look even more civilian, so I’ll fight the good fight for you. Be ready for a time when I am dead though!

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:13 am**

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:13 am today is the big day. I'm sure all will go okay wish me luck! I'll check in here and there and I'll be home by end of day

Godspeed!

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:14 am**

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:13 am today is the big day. I'm sure all will go okay wish me luck! I'll check in here and there and I'll be home by end of day

good luck!!!

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:16 am**

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:13 am today is the big day. I'm sure all will go okay wish me luck! I'll check in here and there and I'll be home by end of day

Good luck!

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:16 am**

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:13 am today is the big day. I'm sure all will go okay wish me luck! I'll check in here and there and I'll be home by end of day

good luck, sweetheart ❤❤❤

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:17 am**

But yeah sabie’s a civilian y’all

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:18 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:02 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:25 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:10 pm Kitsu knowing their role but not knowing it was called a miller is hugely town indicative

I don’t know if I can say why but it looks like people are already there
Yeah Kitsu is just spewed town many times over by this point. Not re-evaluating read until F3 short of a cop check.
Was this...

A joke?

no

I really do think Kitsu's posts have been incredibly townie in ways that are incredibly difficult to fake, especially for a player new to TS and still trying to get comfortable with the format and culture

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:19 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:05 am If it’s unclear, chop is my current replacement for “lynch”. I realize that could be confused with night kill.

I've been trying to move away from that word as well. I usually use "kill" because it's simple and clear. Have also experimented with "execute". I spectated a game where the host made people use the word "flush" and it made a surprising amount of sense

Posted: **Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:20 am**

good luck with everything sabie. I think you're probably civillian

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