Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 4
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:15 am
Oh doh, well then never mind ha ha
A little, but not much.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:30 pmBe that as it may, I lead a lynch on you. Do you think I am a civilian?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:07 pm I might actually agree with Epi here.
Having town fail to lynch me over and over would have been nasty.
Has talking about other-thread knowledge been defined as info-dumping? So nutella couldn't say "nijuu told me they lynched juliets on Cerberus Tribe Day 1"?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:37 amA little, but not much.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:30 pmBe that as it may, I lead a lynch on you. Do you think I am a civilian?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:07 pm I might actually agree with Epi here.
Having town fail to lynch me over and over would have been nasty.
You made some points which I thought were unfair as fuck but that I expect you to make because it's you.
I'm more pingy of the half-assed reasons given by the people who followed you. Mainly peedchuck and Nutella.
Here you go. I felt too lazy right now to do it, so I time traveled into the past and did it there, so that it would be all ready for me now.
What does that mean, that he's reading better?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:50 am Quin keeps reading much, much better than in FE.
I don't want to vote for him.
I don't know man he's just more pro-active/interested in solving the game. Like he actually gives a shit.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:58 amWhat does that mean, that he's reading better?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:50 am Quin keeps reading much, much better than in FE.
I don't want to vote for him.
That's not what I see.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:02 amI don't know man he's just more pro-active/interested in solving the game. Like he actually gives a shit.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:58 amWhat does that mean, that he's reading better?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:50 am Quin keeps reading much, much better than in FE.
I don't want to vote for him.
I reckon I can't talk about ongoing games tho I'm only saying it because Quin is dead there and it's actually influencing my read here. But point is, I see a difference.
My way of thinking about it is anything that would have been infodumping when she was in the role would still be infodumping other than what role she was in. I may be too rigid in that thinking so let me think about your question and talk it over with Golden. It will have to wait until this afternoon though when we're both online again.
I had a small ping when I read this. This feels like something the mafia could easily say about a Civ because they know they're right, and there's no strong need for justification. So I went back and looked over sprityo's posts up until this point, and found that I agree with nutella. A lot of it centres on his casual reveal of not sending in a haiku, and the discourse around that. Made me start thinking about Epignosis' opinion on it:
I debated this point before, but I do feel like it has some merit. "Interesting" to note that this is a loose example of Epignosis mirroring nutella's thoughts - opposite to idea that nut parrots Epi, or whatever it was.
This is a good point. Could also be an opportunity for a baddie to BTSC-buddy a Civ, and the role's text - You have BTSC with Proton. You will be sent a chat link for BTSC and must log in as "Electron" - supports that by allowing anonymity.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:52 am Nutella having cross-tribe BTSC actually sounds like a civ role. Why does mafia need it if they already have BTSC (assuming they do)?
Always good to meet a fan.
No idea. I know as much as the rest of you, including the part where Golden makes a mistake and lynches me wrong.
A thought I had after I already posted: depending on whether or not nutella and nijuu revealed their identities in their BTSC, nutella could be on a baddie team that unwittingly targeted nijuu on Night 1, not realizing who she was.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:04 am Finished nutella read up to Day 2... no indications I could see of otherthread info dips.![]()
This is a good point. Could also be an opportunity for a baddie to BTSC-buddy a Civ, and the role's text - You have BTSC with Proton. You will be sent a chat link for BTSC and must log in as "Electron" - supports that by allowing anonymity.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:52 am Nutella having cross-tribe BTSC actually sounds like a civ role. Why does mafia need it if they already have BTSC (assuming they do)?
Now that I think about it though, nijuu was nightkilled. I don't really see how a Mafia team would choose to kill their own team member's Civ BTSC partner. Then again, misdirects happen, there could be two Mafias, etc![]()
Do you miss your first role? Can you tell us who you applied -2 votes to?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:09 amNo idea. I know as much as the rest of you, including the part where Golden makes a mistake and lynches me wrong.
Apparently some other ability was in play which the hosts initially ignored.
Well, less hard to kill now, since he has shed his lynch-protected role.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:54 amDo you think we should?
Perhaps.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:03 pmspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:54 amDo you think we should?I don't know. I'm trying to have a look at Dom's posts to see if he lines up as a possible baddie. So far in my read he has mostly just focused on you, and also that thing I'm not acknowledging. He really hammered hard on you, basically over you putting him on the baddie side of your reads. Some call that OMGUS / No U, but it might be a regular Dom thing as well.
hmmmspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:17 pmPerhaps.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:03 pmspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:54 amDo you think we should?I don't know. I'm trying to have a look at Dom's posts to see if he lines up as a possible baddie. So far in my read he has mostly just focused on you, and also that thing I'm not acknowledging. He really hammered hard on you, basically over you putting him on the baddie side of your reads. Some call that OMGUS / No U, but it might be a regular Dom thing as well.
With DDL, let's think objectively of the facts for a moment.
DDL is tied with me one day. I am lynched, flip as a doctor.
DDL is lynched the next day. Flips as a vote manipulator.
Vote manipulator is more statistically likely to be scum than doctor, I think. Based on game balance and synergy.
Then the death gets retconned somehow, and a BTSC role dies, leaving DDL with two lives.
BTSC role, as has been discussed, is likely town for mechanical/balance reasons.
...
DDL does not look to be in a good place.
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:57 pm If I catch up to these posts and the general idea is "I dunno" I'm gonna hold you all responsible.
Welcome to the GOC Technicality club my manDragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:09 amNo idea. I know as much as the rest of you, including the part where Golden makes a mistake and lynches me wrong.
Apparently some other ability was in play which the hosts initially ignored.
My counter-argumentspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:17 pmPerhaps.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:03 pmspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:54 amDo you think we should?I don't know. I'm trying to have a look at Dom's posts to see if he lines up as a possible baddie. So far in my read he has mostly just focused on you, and also that thing I'm not acknowledging. He really hammered hard on you, basically over you putting him on the baddie side of your reads. Some call that OMGUS / No U, but it might be a regular Dom thing as well.
With DDL, let's think objectively of the facts for a moment.
DDL is tied with me one day. I am lynched, flip as a doctor.
DDL is lynched the next day. Flips as a vote manipulator.
Vote manipulator is more statistically likely to be scum than doctor, I think. Based on game balance and synergy.
Then the death gets retconned somehow, and a BTSC role dies, leaving DDL with two lives.
BTSC role, as has been discussed, is likely town for mechanical/balance reasons.
...
DDL does not look to be in a good place.
Why do you want to lynch me?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:17 pm I'd currently lynch Long Con over Nutella, and those are the only two votes on the board.
Why do you want Nutella kicked out of the tribe, DH?
Darn it I wanna vote Dom today.
I dunno man. My arguments were focused on the role stuff that happened on the two lynches, as well as what you flipped with. Role stuff.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:19 pmMy counter-argumentspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:17 pm Perhaps.
With DDL, let's think objectively of the facts for a moment.
DDL is tied with me one day. I am lynched, flip as a doctor.
DDL is lynched the next day. Flips as a vote manipulator.
Vote manipulator is more statistically likely to be scum than doctor, I think. Based on game balance and synergy.
Then the death gets retconned somehow, and a BTSC role dies, leaving DDL with two lives.
BTSC role, as has been discussed, is likely town for mechanical/balance reasons.
...
DDL does not look to be in a good place.
Town in this game (myself included) has been shit all game and scum is blending well.
I don't, not really. But you have two lives, Nutella has one. And she's already been unfairly lynched once.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:20 pmWhy do you want to lynch me?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:17 pm I'd currently lynch Long Con over Nutella, and those are the only two votes on the board.
Why do you want Nutella kicked out of the tribe, DH?
Darn it I wanna vote Dom today.
Give me a case. I have been confused on what to think of Dom all game.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:17 pm I'd currently lynch Long Con over Nutella, and those are the only two votes on the board.
Why do you want Nutella kicked out of the tribe, DH?
Darn it I wanna vote Dom today.
Well, nutella and I aren't the only two people on the poll.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:24 pmI don't, not really. But you have two lives, Nutella has one. And she's already been unfairly lynched once.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:20 pmWhy do you want to lynch me?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:17 pm I'd currently lynch Long Con over Nutella, and those are the only two votes on the board.
Why do you want Nutella kicked out of the tribe, DH?
Darn it I wanna vote Dom today.
Then again, you might not have two lives. And alignments can change when the roles do.![]()
And I would NOT lynch LC. I think I read him pretty well, and he is reading civ to me. I plan on rereading alot after work, because Nutellas flip kind of un-anchored me somewhat. And I never know what to think of Dom, I have a bit of a blind spot with him. I am most likely to follow the opinions of people I trust re Dom.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:25 pmGive me a case. I have been confused on what to think of Dom all game.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:17 pm I'd currently lynch Long Con over Nutella, and those are the only two votes on the board.
Why do you want Nutella kicked out of the tribe, DH?
Darn it I wanna vote Dom today.
I don't want Nutella kicked out of the tribe.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:17 pm I'd currently lynch Long Con over Nutella, and those are the only two votes on the board.
Why do you want Nutella kicked out of the tribe, DH?
Darn it I wanna vote Dom today.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:08 pm I dunno, though. I get a little leery when people pressure a person, vote them, push them, and then complain when they defend themselves.
You also posted an absurd absolute there.
I have posted a lot of mechanics and a moderate amount of self-defense. I have also posted reads, both as a group and in response to others. Some of those reads have my reasoning behind them. Based on the posts in this game, where I stand on everyone in the game is more clear than anyone else's stand. Except DH.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:55 pm dom - Dom has actually been doing pretty well today, aside from a couple of quibbles I have with his approach to me. I had no read on him going into today. For a while it seemed like he was engaging me, but now I feel more like he's making sure I stay down, burdened with this scumread stuff. Dunno. Nature of the oppressed, my read is biased. After reading the others, I'm happy to leave him alone.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:39 am Dom has seemed towny to me all day. But his vote on me is bad. Bad, bad, bad.
#1. It's in a good pace to solidify the train. The 4th vote on a train is what takes it from viable to contender. It also doesn't carry as much heat as some of the other places.
#2. It is a reversal of the direction Dom's thought process was going in. He goes from 'liking my substance' to 'agreed' that I have no content in like, 12 hours while I was gone.
#3. Opportunistic
"Disgusting."
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:01 pmNah. My post is fine. You being condescending about it isn't. You belittle it because you need something to help support your argument against it. I don't know how anyone could look at the last ten-fifteen posts of your ISO and think "Yeah, that makes sense, I see that thought progression and that vote on speedchuck definitely wasn't influenced by his train gaining prominence."Dom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:36 pmCompare this to your vote(s) for me where you gave no reason.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:39 am Dom has seemed towny to me all day. But his vote on me is bad. Bad, bad, bad.
#1. It's in a good pace to solidify the train. The 4th vote on a train is what takes it from viable to contender. It also doesn't carry as much heat as some of the other places.
#2. It is a reversal of the direction Dom's thought process was going in. He goes from 'liking my substance' to 'agreed' that I have no content in like, 12 hours while I was gone.
#3. Opportunistic
"Disgusting."
I like you made some progress in this. I do.
That doesn't undercut everything else about you.
This post is shitty af tho.
I liked like two of your posts out of three pages.
You're upset that buddying up to me didn't help you.
There is literally nothing to justify your turnabout in momentum. You went from "Yeah, I'll hear this guy out, what do you think DH?" to "I agree, he sucks, let's vote him" without ANY new information being added except for an OMGUS vote from DDL.
And one from him I haven't commented on, where he makes a statement that continues his case and ignored being called out on his logic.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:09 pmAs bad as that post was, you could still be town. I find it impossible to read a wall of constant sarcastic needling without some form of bias.
But really, today reads more like DH stole your forum password than you coming to this conclusion genuinely.
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:19 pmspeedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:24 pmIf you are scum, do you tie yourself to a teammate or to a misguided townie? I think if nutella is scum, then Epi is still town.
Baddies do both.
True.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:34 pmWell, nutella and I aren't the only two people on the poll.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:24 pmI don't, not really. But you have two lives, Nutella has one. And she's already been unfairly lynched once.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:20 pmWhy do you want to lynch me?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:17 pm I'd currently lynch Long Con over Nutella, and those are the only two votes on the board.
Why do you want Nutella kicked out of the tribe, DH?
Darn it I wanna vote Dom today.
Then again, you might not have two lives. And alignments can change when the roles do.![]()
Then why are you voting for her? She died once already.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:38 pmI don't want Nutella kicked out of the tribe.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:17 pm I'd currently lynch Long Con over Nutella, and those are the only two votes on the board.
Why do you want Nutella kicked out of the tribe, DH?
Darn it I wanna vote Dom today.
I'm not voting for her. I voted for her already, the poll didn't change over.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:40 pmThen why are you voting for her? She died once already.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:38 pmI don't want Nutella kicked out of the tribe.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:17 pm I'd currently lynch Long Con over Nutella, and those are the only two votes on the board.
Why do you want Nutella kicked out of the tribe, DH?
Darn it I wanna vote Dom today.
I don't like this post. Why tunnel in on LC and Nutella when they both just have 1 vote and nobody else has voted yet? I see no good reason to restrict yourself. And then saying you want to lynch the guy who's conveniently not an option, instead of the person you just talked about not being in a good place?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:17 pm I'd currently lynch Long Con over Nutella, and those are the only two votes on the board.
Why do you want Nutella kicked out of the tribe, DH?
Darn it I wanna vote Dom today.