The Syndicate

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:42 pm I've already alluded to having LC in my own PoE. His rainbow list up there is really just feeding that suspicion.

It’s more or less, minus I’d say Epi, a consensus list. That's fine in itself, but it feels quite...evenly spaced. He even has his yellows as Nook and Seanzie, two slots who haven’t really received suspicion but also haven’t really received firm townreads from others. If the wolf team is going to need to work for some extra mischops, those are two of the options they need.

As for his individual explanations, aside from the one about me, they are all anchored in specific moments. It feels…nitpicky, like he’s found one specific scummy moment and is blowing it up into a full case.

In particular, his read on Epi is pretty weak, or at least certainly not strong enough to overcome the amounts of work Epi has put in recently on finding Made connections. I don't mind LC's explanation itself so much as the fact that it alone seems enough to ignore anything else Epi has done, which doesn't feel like it's coming from a townie mindset.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:29 pmAs such, I don't necessarily buy all the arguments made for a Made/MR team with distancing. It felt to me in the moment that Made's vote was an honest attempt to get MR lunched, and that an MR CFD was viable. Not sure what that is worth, but since a lot of people have been talking about it, I'll say that even if it ended up at 6/4 Made/MR, this isn't obviously bussing from my perspective.

If Made and MR were on a team, what do you think Made would have done when the two of them were the top contenders that late in the day?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:02 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:42 pm I've already alluded to having LC in my own PoE. His rainbow list up there is really just feeding that suspicion.

It’s more or less, minus I’d say Epi, a consensus list. That's fine in itself, but it feels quite...evenly spaced. He even has his yellows as Nook and Seanzie, two slots who haven’t really received suspicion but also haven’t really received firm townreads from others. If the wolf team is going to need to work for some extra mischops, those are two of the options they need.

As for his individual explanations, aside from the one about me, they are all anchored in specific moments. It feels…nitpicky, like he’s found one specific scummy moment and is blowing it up into a full case.

In particular, his read on Epi is pretty weak, or at least certainly not strong enough to overcome the amounts of work Epi has put in recently on finding Made connections. I don't mind LC's explanation itself so much as the fact that it alone seems enough to ignore anything else Epi has done, which doesn't feel like it's coming from a townie mindset.

ok I don't know where my color option went but 1) I'm not worried about chopping nook and 2) is this actual TMI?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:09 pm TSP - MR - Guillotine idk just kill these 3 in some order

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:33 pm I finished reviewing LC's iso. The one time I can remember catching LC as bad it was because he was posting a lot of nothing really, fluff with very few if any reads mixed in. I find him very different in this game, throwing out ideas, giving reads, trying to solve. Therefore, he is not in my POE.

@Long Con there is something I'd like you to clarify for me and that is what your feeling about Epi is this game. I need to read through Epi and I need to find the post someone made after Made's flip that had a good reason to read Epi as town. I remember thinking yeah, good point but I don't remember what the point was, lol!

I'll probably take a look at MR next and then either back to Tony or go to Guillo. One thing I'd like to note is I'm liking @Seanzie more and more every time he posts. I'll look over his ISO to be sure but he's not on my priority list.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:36 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:35 pm So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.

Spoiler: show

In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.

I think instead you should read it in the voice of Bubbles when Bubbles hit her head and thought she was Mojo Jojo.

No. Read it in the voice of HIM.

Who is he?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:42 am I can throw these names out cause there’s no way i get NKed even if I’m right lol

Why not?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:52 pm Will do @Long Con, I have something else I have to do right now but I will clarify for you.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:36 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:35 pm So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.

Spoiler: show

In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.

I think instead you should read it in the voice of Bubbles when Bubbles hit her head and thought she was Mojo Jojo.

No. Read it in the voice of HIM.

Who is he?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:42 am I can throw these names out cause there’s no way i get NKed even if I’m right lol

Why not?

Why would I ever be the N1 NK in this game lol

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:25 pm tsp: making aggressively bad reads since

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:12 pm I have decided that Made is Town-aligned.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:00 pm Radish’s progression on Guillo isn’t really there.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:00 pm Radish’s progression on Guillo isn’t really there.

Progression:

I sort of thought his borderline-hostile and paranoid attitude was towny at first, considering this is a new environment for him. Then it felt laid on a bit thick and in my mind he began to drop. His vote on Made was awkwardly placed as well, iirc. Then, when I decided to drop a vote, GTH Made felt scummier but I love a good D1 podrace and so I voted Guillo to put it 6-5 to see what might happen. Nothing did, which is disappointing, beyond a halfhearted attempt to wagon me, which was also disappointing considering those usually succeed and then I wouldn't have to be here.

It's still not me, Dizziella. I'm low-key enjoying this, though, since you proclaimed you could read me super easily after one game together.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:39 pm Seeing Sean as possible scum seems like a really weird idea to me, and those who are considering it should walk us through it and not just mention it. Nanook and LC for example. I feel Sean is spewed town.

I really don’t get Nanook’s insistence on that scum would want to sacrifice Made over Guillo. Seems like a random assumption to me. Guillo had already said they were less motivated in the thread, they both had a big wagon, they didn’t know each other, why would there obviously be a preference? His sureness of Radish also puzzles me a bit. But sometimes I think Nanook can’t help but be a contrarian =p

Thing is, for me Made/Guillo/Radish actually makes a lot of sense as a team. Guillo already seemed a bit demotivated. It’s possible he was ok getting bussed or voted. Made voted Guillo, but argued more against Tutu. And why did Radish vote Guillo? When I askes him earlier in the day he said town for Guillo (with an added caveat which actually sounded like distancing to me). So when did he decide Guillo was a good vote anyway and why? Considering motivation and movement I don’t think this is a far off theory.

I can’t really argue against the Tony/Made interactions looking real bad though. I’m not entirely convinced Tony is scum, but the interactions doesn’t look great.

(I started writing this some hours ago. Hope it’s not outdated.)

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:42 pm I've already alluded to having LC in my own PoE. His rainbow list up there is really just feeding that suspicion.

It’s more or less, minus I’d say Epi, a consensus list. That's fine in itself, but it feels quite...evenly spaced. He even has his yellows as Nook and Seanzie, two slots who haven’t really received suspicion but also haven’t really received firm townreads from others. If the wolf team is going to need to work for some extra mischops, those are two of the options they need.

As for his individual explanations, aside from the one about me, they are all anchored in specific moments. It feels…nitpicky, like he’s found one specific scummy moment and is blowing it up into a full case.

In particular, his read on Epi is pretty weak, or at least certainly not strong enough to overcome the amounts of work Epi has put in recently on finding Made connections. I don't mind LC's explanation itself so much as the fact that it alone seems enough to ignore anything else Epi has done, which doesn't feel like it's coming from a townie mindset.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:10 am i still want him to do things, but i find it unlikely this is the approach he takes to the game as a wolf especially with his teammate getting a lot of heat and ultimately eliminated D1. i feel like wolf!him would feel compelled to make himself more town read as he saw how D1 was unfolding so as not to let his team down

Not sure about that tbh.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:29 pm This is a great synopsis of EoD. Just as an addition, I will say that from my perspective, an MR chop did seem reasonably likely in the moment. I am definitely not the best player here, so Idk how good of a perception I truly have of the thread as a whole, but I've seen EoD CFDs happen pretty much just as often as they don't in early days of a game. Also, I think once I moved off Guillotine, the chances of a Guillotine chop were virtually zero. I honestly think that the only reason MR didn't get chopped was just because a lot of people weren't around EoD. Maybe I am wrong about that, but with Marmot, me and Made all moving in that direction, others very easily could have followed.

As such, I don't necessarily buy all the arguments made for a Made/MR team with distancing. It felt to me in the moment that Made's vote was an honest attempt to get MR lunched, and that an MR CFD was viable. Not sure what that is worth, but since a lot of people have been talking about it, I'll say that even if it ended up at 6/4 Made/MR, this isn't obviously bussing from my perspective.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:02 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:42 pm I've already alluded to having LC in my own PoE. His rainbow list up there is really just feeding that suspicion.

It’s more or less, minus I’d say Epi, a consensus list. That's fine in itself, but it feels quite...evenly spaced. He even has his yellows as Nook and Seanzie, two slots who haven’t really received suspicion but also haven’t really received firm townreads from others. If the wolf team is going to need to work for some extra mischops, those are two of the options they need.

As for his individual explanations, aside from the one about me, they are all anchored in specific moments. It feels…nitpicky, like he’s found one specific scummy moment and is blowing it up into a full case.

In particular, his read on Epi is pretty weak, or at least certainly not strong enough to overcome the amounts of work Epi has put in recently on finding Made connections. I don't mind LC's explanation itself so much as the fact that it alone seems enough to ignore anything else Epi has done, which doesn't feel like it's coming from a townie mindset.

ok I don't know where my color option went but 1) I'm not worried about chopping nook and 2) is this actual TMI?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:36 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:35 pm So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.

Spoiler: show

In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.

I think instead you should read it in the voice of Bubbles when Bubbles hit her head and thought she was Mojo Jojo.

No. Read it in the voice of HIM.

Who is he?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:42 am I can throw these names out cause there’s no way i get NKed even if I’m right lol

Why not?

Why would I ever be the N1 NK in this game lol

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:39 pm Seeing Sean as possible scum seems like a really weird idea to me, and those who are considering it should walk us through it and not just mention it. Nanook and LC for example. I feel Sean is spewed town.

I really don’t get Nanook’s insistence on that scum would want to sacrifice Made over Guillo. Seems like a random assumption to me. Guillo had already said they were less motivated in the thread, they both had a big wagon, they didn’t know each other, why would there obviously be a preference? His sureness of Radish also puzzles me a bit. But sometimes I think Nanook can’t help but be a contrarian =p

Thing is, for me Made/Guillo/Radish actually makes a lot of sense as a team. Guillo already seemed a bit demotivated. It’s possible he was ok getting bussed or voted. Made voted Guillo, but argued more against Tutu. And why did Radish vote Guillo? When I askes him earlier in the day he said town for Guillo (with an added caveat which actually sounded like distancing to me). So when did he decide Guillo was a good vote anyway and why? Considering motivation and movement I don’t think this is a far off theory.

I can’t really argue against the Tony/Made interactions looking real bad though. I’m not entirely convinced Tony is scum, but the interactions doesn’t look great.

(I started writing this some hours ago. Hope it’s not outdated.)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:00 pm Radish’s progression on Guillo isn’t really there. I swear, Made/Guillo/Radish crash and burn scum team makes things make sense.

Tony/Radish seems unlikely.

I guess these be my final thoughts and then I may or may not be here for next day.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:58 pm Okay I'm not sure if I can really turn this around and if I can I'm not starting until Day 2 but I was just scanning my champs games and thought to myself "yeah that's how I want to be playing" but first I have to clean my room

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:00 pm Radish’s progression on Guillo isn’t really there.

Progression:

I sort of thought his borderline-hostile and paranoid attitude was towny at first, considering this is a new environment for him. Then it felt laid on a bit thick and in my mind he began to drop. His vote on Made was awkwardly placed as well, iirc. Then, when I decided to drop a vote, GTH Made felt scummier but I love a good D1 podrace and so I voted Guillo to put it 6-5 to see what might happen. Nothing did, which is disappointing, beyond a halfhearted attempt to wagon me, which was also disappointing considering those usually succeed and then I wouldn't have to be here.

It's still not me, Dizziella. I'm low-key enjoying this, though, since you proclaimed you could read me super easily after one game together.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:01 pm wot

who vigged nanook

@TonyStarkPrime was it u