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I was done anyways. I found their last response towny.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:17 am @Neon @ilario I think you're both town. So stop antagonising each other please. I want Ilario's perspective on the game to be logical and up to date and side questing him atm is annoying.
Bad and wrong but towny.Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:18 amI was done anyways. I found their last response towny.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:17 am @Neon @ilario I think you're both town. So stop antagonising each other please. I want Ilario's perspective on the game to be logical and up to date and side questing him atm is annoying.
How many times have you played with Ilario in the past?
bro the way i solve the game normally takes time, time i dont have atm. i will take time to read your iso and your points but at best ill probably just end up sheeping you. like if you came to me with this idea 24 hours ago then we could have maybe done something which maakes me have to ask...where is this sudden urge to want to tagteam coming from? (i mean i do agree in a v/v world our masonry is defs +ev its just that i last remember you were pushing me. if the answer is in your iso feel free to ignore this, ill get to it eventually)MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:14 am if you decide to lock tunnel neon here when i'm literally pleading with you to help me solve the game i'm straight up going to take it as a wolf claim because it's strictly anti-town... like staring the correct thing to do in the face and saying "no, Satan for me please".
Wake me up when ilario comes with a real perspective on the game.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:17 am @Neon @ilario I think you're both town. So stop antagonising each other please. I want Ilario's perspective on the game to be logical and up to date and side questing him atm is annoying.
rich.Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:20 amWake me up when ilario comes with a real perspective on the game.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:17 am @Neon @ilario I think you're both town. So stop antagonising each other please. I want Ilario's perspective on the game to be logical and up to date and side questing him atm is annoying.
1 timeMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:19 amHow many times have you played with Ilario in the past?
How many times have you played with mafia Ilario?
What percentage of the posts in this game have you read?
How likely do you think we are to chop Ilario on day 1 with this playerlist?
It dawned on me that if you were town that you would place solving energy towards Tilgarial given there are limited people in this game experienced with Tilgarial and upon reading your ISO I found your approach to Tilgarial very pro town in contrast to Santygrass and Millium's approach to the same slot (particularly Santygrass who has been death riding Tilgarial while blowing smoke up your anus without talking to you about your Tilgarial read or pleading to you to see the sense of their reasoning on Tilgarial).ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:20 ambro the way i solve the game normally takes time, time i dont have atm. i will take time to read your iso and your points but at best ill probably just end up sheeping you. like if you came to me with this idea 24 hours ago then we could have maybe done something which maakes me have to ask...where is this sudden urge to want to tagteam coming from? (i mean i do agree in a v/v world our masonry is defs +ev its just that i last remember you were pushing me. if the answer is in your iso feel free to ignore this, ill get to it eventually)MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:14 am if you decide to lock tunnel neon here when i'm literally pleading with you to help me solve the game i'm straight up going to take it as a wolf claim because it's strictly anti-town... like staring the correct thing to do in the face and saying "no, Satan for me please".
thats a very good take. man i hope ur a villa and tilg is a villa because if ur not then thats a big shame on the actual villas in the game because the only 2 decent takes on my slot ive seen from this game have been from you two (including the random trs i gotten from other slots)MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:22 amIt dawned on me that if you were town that you would place solving energy towards Tilgarial given there are limited people in this game experienced with Tilgarial and upon reading your ISO I found your approach to Tilgarial very pro town in contrast to Santygrass and Millium's approach to the same slot (particularly Santygrass who has been death riding Tilgarial while blowing smoke up your anus without talking to you about your Tilgarial read or pleading to you to see the sense of their reasoning on Tilgarial).ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:20 ambro the way i solve the game normally takes time, time i dont have atm. i will take time to read your iso and your points but at best ill probably just end up sheeping you. like if you came to me with this idea 24 hours ago then we could have maybe done something which maakes me have to ask...where is this sudden urge to want to tagteam coming from? (i mean i do agree in a v/v world our masonry is defs +ev its just that i last remember you were pushing me. if the answer is in your iso feel free to ignore this, ill get to it eventually)MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:14 am if you decide to lock tunnel neon here when i'm literally pleading with you to help me solve the game i'm straight up going to take it as a wolf claim because it's strictly anti-town... like staring the correct thing to do in the face and saying "no, Satan for me please".
Okay so given the above answers I would say that unless you have claim a red check on Ilario there is not much you're going to be able to say to persuade me that Ilario is an optimal day 1 chop here. I have no reason to trust your meta on Ilario is accurate. I have no reason to trust that you would be able to catch Ilario if they were mafia. I have no reason to believe that even if Ilario is mafia and you're right it will lead anywhere productive so it's best to just not.Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:22 am1 timeMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:19 amHow many times have you played with Ilario in the past?
How many times have you played with mafia Ilario?
What percentage of the posts in this game have you read?
How likely do you think we are to chop Ilario on day 1 with this playerlist?
0 times, only 3p ilario who sided with town
I hope a very high %, I try to catchup everytime and sometimes iso people
At this rate not likely
and did u not learn anyhting from that game? yall literally won the game because of the 3ps hard townsidingBelzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:22 am1 timeMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:19 amHow many times have you played with Ilario in the past?
How many times have you played with mafia Ilario?
What percentage of the posts in this game have you read?
How likely do you think we are to chop Ilario on day 1 with this playerlist?
0 times, only 3p ilario who sided with town
I hope a very high %, I try to catchup everytime and sometimes iso people
At this rate not likely
I don't see how that is relevant here.ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:25 amand did u not learn anyhting from that game? yall literally won the game because of the 3ps hard townsidingBelzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:22 am1 timeMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:19 amHow many times have you played with Ilario in the past?
How many times have you played with mafia Ilario?
What percentage of the posts in this game have you read?
How likely do you think we are to chop Ilario on day 1 with this playerlist?
0 times, only 3p ilario who sided with town
I hope a very high %, I try to catchup everytime and sometimes iso people
At this rate not likely
I don't have a red check on anyone, so I don't think I can say anything on anyone to persuade you, because this is day 1 and we are still just trying to figure out the game. You have no reason to trust me on my abilities is fair, since we don't know each other that well.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:25 amOkay so given the above answers I would say that unless you have claim a red check on Ilario there is not much you're going to be able to say to persuade me that Ilario is an optimal day 1 chop here. I have no reason to trust your meta on Ilario is accurate. I have no reason to trust that you would be able to catch Ilario if they were mafia. I have no reason to believe that even if Ilario is mafia and you're right it will lead anywhere productive so it's best to just not.Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:22 am1 timeMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:19 amHow many times have you played with Ilario in the past?
How many times have you played with mafia Ilario?
What percentage of the posts in this game have you read?
How likely do you think we are to chop Ilario on day 1 with this playerlist?
0 times, only 3p ilario who sided with town
I hope a very high %, I try to catchup everytime and sometimes iso people
At this rate not likely
Thing is that with slots like Ilario (ie. slots that are viable n1/n2 self resolves. It's just optimal to let them. Don't risk doing the mafia's job for them by taking out a whale on day 1. Don't risk giving the mafia the win of trolling a strong villager into outing their role because you tunneled badly. Just let them try to deepwolf. They often bus anyway.
I see.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:40 am he was heavily townsiding and won town the game in a game you sussed him and caught him...
hes saying you can't read him
don't get me wrong sorry it's obviously good and proper to push people and have your susses but I'm at a point where I'm attempting to strategically narrow down the game into a pool of candidates for us to focus on and I want to make that pool asBelzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:39 amI don't have a red check on anyone, so I don't think I can say anything on anyone to persuade you, because this is day 1 and we are still just trying to figure out the game. You have no reason to trust me on my abilities is fair, since we don't know each other that well.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:25 amOkay so given the above answers I would say that unless you have claim a red check on Ilario there is not much you're going to be able to say to persuade me that Ilario is an optimal day 1 chop here. I have no reason to trust your meta on Ilario is accurate. I have no reason to trust that you would be able to catch Ilario if they were mafia. I have no reason to believe that even if Ilario is mafia and you're right it will lead anywhere productive so it's best to just not.Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:22 am1 timeMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:19 amHow many times have you played with Ilario in the past?
How many times have you played with mafia Ilario?
What percentage of the posts in this game have you read?
How likely do you think we are to chop Ilario on day 1 with this playerlist?
0 times, only 3p ilario who sided with town
I hope a very high %, I try to catchup everytime and sometimes iso people
At this rate not likely
Thing is that with slots like Ilario (ie. slots that are viable n1/n2 self resolves. It's just optimal to let them. Don't risk doing the mafia's job for them by taking out a whale on day 1. Don't risk giving the mafia the win of trolling a strong villager into outing their role because you tunneled badly. Just let them try to deepwolf. They often bus anyway.
"I have no reason to believe that even if Ilario is mafia and you're right it will lead anywhere productive so it's best to just not."
This is quite something to say, and not my approach to the game. I play the game to hunt down scum, and in my ideology lynching scum is good.
"Thing is that with slots like Ilario (ie. slots that are viable n1/n2 self resolves. It's just optimal to let them. Don't risk doing the mafia's job for them by taking out a whale on day 1. Don't risk giving the mafia the win of trolling a strong villager into outing their role because you tunneled badly. Just let them try to deepwolf. They often bus anyway."
You obviously speak with more experience being a Syn member than I am. This is not my point of view, you must understand.
I am here trying to deviate townly and scummy behavior from each other.
I will get back at ya. My shift is ending rather soon, so I need to afk for a while first.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:44 am Belzy check my recent readslist posts. Talk to me about non Ilario slots. I want to know which of my reads you agree with and disagree with.
towniest poster on pg 1, handling of wisp was towny, i found myself mindmelding with her on certain takes like ender but i will admit if slots like ender are town (which they might very well be) then i will admit the latter half of their iso isnt as good as the earlier halfarogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:47 am Hmmm, maybe Alison is the move today lmfao
@ilario why are u so confident on Alison being town and I would like to hear ur thoughts there
Okay we’re pretty much on the same page in that none of us really have an idea what’s going onMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:02 am Alison - Personally I mind melded with her a fair bit in the early game which is usually a good sign but as I just said Nanook is scumreading her and Nanook tends to read her well so I am very unsure now.
arogame123 - Lol... seems like at different times of the day I either scumread or townread him. Right now I am of the opinion he is probably town just because I find it hard to believe that he'd be so widely suspected as mafia given when I've found him mafia rightly before he seems to have the town snowed generally. Anyway yeah whatever I townread him lil bit.
Belzy - Just, kinda think they were obvious town?
Cham - Not sure they have posted yet?
dyachei - POE. Lean wolf. Posts weren't great. Not gonna townread them for that.
ilario - Feel like he has not been his usual ilario townself. Hasn't been hostile enough in pushing his reads. Hasn't upset anyone. Hasn't been upset himself. Wolf.
Lily - Think they've hit their town notes now.
Ender - Kinda think their perspectives here are good but like ... actually giving a shit about how they are being read is a scumtell for Ender lol. Eh town.
Millium - Again, kinda townread them then didn't. I can find reasons to scumread so many of these slots it's really annoying. I didn't like the way he was dealing with Rondo. It felt like he thought Rondo was openwolfing and he was trying to distance but was confused about Rondo not catching flak haha. That's probably a dumb read tbh. I kinda have an ok wisp read usually and by and large i've townread him here.
Nanook - Null, lean Nanook. I feel like his alignment will be obvious by the end of the day this time.
Neon - Was playing squarely in their wolf meta and has shifted entirely. I'm 99.9% sure everyone on this website is still treating Neon like a shit wolf when Neon is actually probably one of the best wolves in this particular playerlist. The fact that Santy and Lily are townreading Neon is like, maybe okay for Lily cuz Lily townread Neon when Neon wasn't actually being uwuwolfy but Santy townread Neon when Neon was being straight up wolfy and I don't think Santy has near enough meta with wolf Neon to make that read. Maybe I'm just paranoid of Neon now but they did wolfy shit, then they stopped after I called them on it and for that I'm putting them in the POE still idgaf. If Neon is mafia SPF needs two in the chest one in the head.
Porscha - Like, I thought they were an outed wolf then they made a couple of okay sounding posts. Still POE. Have some doubts it's wolf Porscha though. Weird read but I kinda feel like if Porscha randed wolf in this game, this would have been the one where they'd snow everyone. Lowposting in this particular game feels more likely to come from a Porscha who doesn't particularly care how they are being read? Still POE tho.
Rondo - As I said I think he's town because I feel like he was actually trying to sort me, gave up, and is now fancy playing trying to reaction bait the universe.
Santy - Nearly every slot I have a scumread and a townread simultaneously it's so frustrating. Santy's reads were so so bogus and having wolfed with him, he is an audacious wolf that has a big range. But as town he is also such a mixed bag. Honestly have nfi. I guess wolf lean.
Seanzie - Hmmm. Haven't got enough to go on. I think he's probably town just cuz of the way the thread has dealt with him (ilario, alison in particular). Very very very light town lean.
SPF - ♍︎◆︎⧫︎ ⧫︎♒︎♏︎ ⧫︎□︎◻︎ □︎♐︎ ❍︎⍓︎ ♒︎♏︎♋︎♎︎ □︎♐︎♐︎ ♋︎■︎♎︎ ♓︎■︎ ◻︎□︎◆︎❒︎ ●︎♋︎❖︎♋︎ ◆︎⬥︎◆︎
Tilgarial - Gut read town for no real reason.
I don't do these often because I struggle with them.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:34 am I'd be keen to collect some "never w/w reads off the people in my townlist above". Ping me if you have any. (Including players you think I shouldn't be able to consider you w/w with yourself).
@Alison
@Belzy
@ilario
@Lilypetal
@EnderWiggin
@Neon
@Tilgarial
If you can't find at least 2 other obv townies right now that's what Santy would call ailario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:14 am Mac, you’re my only ride or die tr now, not even alison because I realize I need to re-eval there after what others have said. I don’t think we are solving this game any time soon, I don’t think this game will be solveable for Atleast a couple more days if I’m being totally honest.
I could but I don’t want to reward villas for bad readsNeon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:16 amIf you can't find at least 2 other obv townies right now that's what Santy would call ailario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:14 am Mac, you’re my only ride or die tr now, not even alison because I realize I need to re-eval there after what others have said. I don’t think we are solving this game any time soon, I don’t think this game will be solveable for Atleast a couple more days if I’m being totally honest.
Skill. Issue.
just keep reading past that point I did some good solving and got a lot more confidentilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:14 am Mac, you’re my only ride or die tr now, not even alison because I realize I need to re-eval there after what others have said. I don’t think we are solving this game any time soon, I don’t think this game will be solveable for Atleast a couple more days if I’m being totally honest.
Idk why but the way aro has a mini orgasm everytime spf posts is kinda towny igarogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:32 amUr vote and post aside, I want u to know pikachu that every time u post, I get super excited in the game and enjoy having convos/playing with u and just wanted u to know that hehe.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:30 am [VOTE: santygrass] aubergine
awooooooooooooooooooooo
Man I feel like I could just be confbiased but spfs response here feels kinda subduedstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:33 ami appreciate that tbh, i enjoy your energy/presence in games as wellarogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:32 amUr vote and post aside, I want u to know pikachu that every time u post, I get super excited in the game and enjoy having convos/playing with u and just wanted u to know that hehe.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:30 am [VOTE: santygrass] aubergine
awooooooooooooooooooooo
I just truly adore your perspective. 10/10.ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:21 amI could but I don’t want to reward villas for bad readsNeon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:16 amIf you can't find at least 2 other obv townies right now that's what Santy would call ailario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:14 am Mac, you’re my only ride or die tr now, not even alison because I realize I need to re-eval there after what others have said. I don’t think we are solving this game any time soon, I don’t think this game will be solveable for Atleast a couple more days if I’m being totally honest.
Skill. Issue.
i think ur mixing up wisp and santy in hereMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:00 am I think Millium is a wolf.
They are repping a fairly strong scumread on Tilgarial, but they haven't bothered to really case them. Instead just deferring to the "their vote on lily was bad" read. Notwithstanding that the Tilgarial read wasn't scummy imo (not towny but not scummy) the biggest issue I have is that they have had a very strong townread on Ilario throughout, yet Ilario is confidently townreading Tilgarial. Given their combined experience with Tilgarial I feel like if Wisp was scumreading Tilgarial that they would have at least attempted to persuade their strongest townread that is one of the only other slots in this game that should be able to agree with them.
thats valid. iirc i remember i asked wisp their read on tilg because i found it odd they werent talking about each other tthat muchMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:02 am I also feel like someone who has had the unique vantage point that Wisp has had on watching Tilgarial wolf would be more discerning and craft an argument more predicated on seeing similarities in their play to the champs game they wolfed with them, but they have cited no such thing and are scumreading them for a very weak reason instead.
i kinda wanna vote porcha but thats pending a quick iso there first
why nook? dont really oppose the other 2MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:14 am@ilario how do you feel about this?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:13 am Millium
Porscha
Nanook
^ I feel like all three of these slots are mafia.
i cant say theres anyone in the top row i strongly disagree with except for ender, but his later responses after i pushed him were okay enough so im willing to just take the top row for now and solve using thatMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:30 am Since I posted my last reads list and have done a lot of questioning and interacting and backreading my list looks more like this.
Confident town
Allison
Belzy
ilario
Lilypetal
EnderWiggen
Neon
Tilgarial
Slight town lean
dyachei
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Seanzie
Slight wolf lean
arogame123
RondoDimBuckle
Wolf lean
Millium
Porscha
santygrass
staypositivefriend
Town. I vibed with their early takes (re:one of th firsts to poke at aro in early), and still vibing with their reads. Seeing their push on spf now I kinda see why spf said in the game we wolfed together that illario was likelier to tunnel them LOL.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:42 amWhat are your thoughts on ilario?santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:08 pm I domt understand how people are so sure that Mac is town at this point tbh. Like, Im not sussing there and I think that if they are town thy will indeed obvtown later or be killed, but to say it with the post they had until that point... Idk.
Not saying names cuz I only remember spf putting them as strongest town and Im townreading spf, but I saw more people confident in Mac being town and Im just shaking my head smh
This is a really weird defense?Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:48 amidk aro is a really hard read for me and that's also because I think he's a good wolfsantygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:11 amPorscha wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:08 amisn't this like pretty level 1 to assume of aro thoughsantygrass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:14 pmYou said you ISO'd me right? Then you should know lol.
I wasnt vibing with their takes at all (Mostly pinged by the wisp super early townread that seemed scummy to me) . The Lilypetal vote screams scum too. Like, I explained those things too.
Most of their long posts I skimmed tho, felt like overexplaining stuff and Im not going to put that much effort into reading stuff (? .
But yeah , the fact that aro was almost top poster, interacts with people and stuff, and their vote was only a sheep onto a 3 poster in which he didnt try to interact at all is super wolfy imo
Why? Its based on my experience with how V!aro plays. And this doesnt add up
I'm not particularly inclined to believe wolf aro would get caught on something that simple...
he's been interactive with a lot of other slots and lily wasn't around for a good while so it's not like he could discuss with her anyway
did I agree that the vote was good or useful as a means to apply pressure to lily? no, she's gonna come back to thread eventually regardless
do I think it's AI for aro? also no