The Syndicate

BUt JacK, sCUM Don’T HaVe To Fake reAdS iN MUltiBaLl.

Shut!

New exercise time. Everyone pick a player with under 50 posts on this list who is town. Pick another player under 50 who is mafia.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:50 pm Username - Posts
Sloonei - 350
Luxurious - 230
Dragomir - 135
nutella - 135
Epignosis - 117
Creature - 104
Jackofhearts2005 - 100
Ultra - 99
MacDougall - 70
MafiaMenace - 45
speedchuck - 45
juliets - 41
DrWilgy - 29
Long Con - 22
Matahari - 22
Dragon D. Luffy - 21
sprityo - 9
Cooler - 7
sabie12 - 6
Spacedaisy - 3

Town: sabie
Mafia: Cooler

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:10 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:09 pm Literally "nutella is wishy-washy lynch her" case #62089347505790485

Taken at face value then sure.

Nutella being lynched for being wishy-washed is practically a meme at this point.

She's always wishy-washy.

Abstain. Post more or be arrowed in the everything.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:15 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:27 pm Nobody said a word about Cooler. Not even to point out that I misidentified him as Creature at one point.

I think that kind of accusation is pretty common from civ Cooler tbh.

He's a pretty aggro player who tends to start cases easily. And he has being wrong about me like half a dozen times so I'm used to him not being exactly fair with his cases.

Idk what aggro means here

Aggressive

Townreading Sabie is cheating cause she’s always town.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:15 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:27 pm Nobody said a word about Cooler. Not even to point out that I misidentified him as Creature at one point.

I think that kind of accusation is pretty common from civ Cooler tbh.

He's a pretty aggro player who tends to start cases easily. And he has being wrong about me like half a dozen times so I'm used to him not being exactly fair with his cases.

Idk what aggro means here

Aggressive

I see his behavior here as the opposite of aggressive.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:29 pm Townreading Sabie is cheating cause she’s always town.

Fine.
Town: MafiaMenace

I tried but I don't suspect anyone with under 50 posts.

Granted some of them made their posts while I was busy so I have nothing to judge.

I hardly suspect people with more than 50 posts either

Damn I'm a mess in this game.

I could townread MM, DDL if I must.

[mention]MafiaMenace[/mention] DDL is the player I thought you were when I first met you on GDS.

I'll just sit here opposing every wagon and at EoD I'll vote for the one I oppose the least.

Which rn I guess is Luxurious.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I hardly suspect people with more than 50 posts either

Damn I'm a mess in this game.

So just sheep a player with more than 100 posts but less than 150.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I could townread MM, DDL if I must.

@MafiaMenace DDL is the player I thought you were when I first met you on GDS.

I've used that avatar before so it makes sense.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I hardly suspect people with more than 50 posts either

Damn I'm a mess in this game.

Fix it. What’s your current take on general events in the thread? Where is your mind?

Also it's literally Luffy.

Because having two Dragons in this game isn't confusing enough. We need to have two Luffies.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I could townread MM, DDL if I must.

@MafiaMenace DDL is the player I thought you were when I first met you on GDS.

Y DDL?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:33 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I hardly suspect people with more than 50 posts either

Damn I'm a mess in this game.

Fix it. What’s your current take on general events in the thread? Where is your mind?

That's such a large and open question.

I don't have a current take on general events, I have a bunch of small points I'm making as I go.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I could townread MM, DDL if I must.

@MafiaMenace DDL is the player I thought you were when I first met you on GDS.

I've used that avatar before so it makes sense.

He has your attitude towards D1 and roles and monologues very similar to you about them and said he had played on the Cindy Kate.

Maybe MM is your Speedchuck

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:33 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I hardly suspect people with more than 50 posts either

Damn I'm a mess in this game.

Fix it. What’s your current take on general events in the thread? Where is your mind?

That's such a large and open question.

I don't have a current take on general events, I have a bunch of small points I'm making as I go.

It’s supposed to be large and open.

Why is Lux the wagon you dislike the least?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:36 pm Maybe MM is your Speedchuck

What does that even mean

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:36 pm Maybe MM is your Speedchuck

What does that even mean

You’re the same person but one of you has a goatee.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:36 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:33 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I hardly suspect people with more than 50 posts either

Damn I'm a mess in this game.

Fix it. What’s your current take on general events in the thread? Where is your mind?

That's such a large and open question.

I don't have a current take on general events, I have a bunch of small points I'm making as I go.

It’s supposed to be large and open.

Why is Lux the wagon you dislike the least?

I don't like Lux's tone defending herself I guess. Feels like shes more worried about dismissing accusations than contributing, or something like that. It's a "mean" demeanor she didn't have in the previous game, where she was more loose and friendly.

But that's all gut, and I'm seriously worried that I'm letting the fact people are voting for her color my impression of her. It's just that for a lot of those cases, I look at the person and think "yeah, no, don't wanna lynch". For Lux it's more like "sure why not".

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I could townread MM, DDL if I must.

@MafiaMenace DDL is the player I thought you were when I first met you on GDS.

Y DDL?

I tend to suspect town DDL and mafia DDL. I don’t suspect him. So he’s probably town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:21 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:17 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:08 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:06 pm In answer to Sloonei, I don't get Cooler's focus on the Ultra post so Cooler can you explain why you picked that post out of everything else we've talked about to focus on?

I'm liking what I see from Jack now. These recent posts very much remind me of civ Jack. The point about Sloonei self-resolving is a good one Imo.

What do you think of Nutella?

I'm seeing wishy-washy nutella which in my experience is town nutella. I am not clear why she is carrying so many votes other than her view of sloonei which is...wishy-washy. I probably missed some other reasons for votes in the three pages I had to skip so I'm going to try and skim the iso's of the people voting for her.

Cause her reads are fake!

Jack I just read through your ISO and I'm glad I did. You have a consistent and persistent view of nutella as scum and most of that is just as you say above, you think her reads are fake. Help me out though, I didn't get a good feeling as to why you think they are fake. Is there some thread that runs through her reads that you are seeing? Why would someone create all fake reads when it would be easier to just give reads normally using whatever methods she normally uses to scumhunt? Have you seen her do this before (create false reads in a multi-mafia game)? I don't know if I'm articulating my questions in a way that make's sense but could you give a stab at answering me anyway?

lots of linki which I will now read

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I could townread MM, DDL if I must.

@MafiaMenace DDL is the player I thought you were when I first met you on GDS.

Y DDL?

I tend to suspect town DDL and mafia DDL. I don’t suspect him. So he’s probably town.

what has he done that makes you Not Suspect him?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:36 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:33 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I hardly suspect people with more than 50 posts either

Damn I'm a mess in this game.

Fix it. What’s your current take on general events in the thread? Where is your mind?

That's such a large and open question.

I don't have a current take on general events, I have a bunch of small points I'm making as I go.

It’s supposed to be large and open.

Why is Lux the wagon you dislike the least?

I don't like Lux's tone defending herself I guess. Feels like shes more worried about dismissing accusations than contributing, or something like that. It's a "mean" demeanor she didn't have in the previous game, where she was more loose and friendly.

But that's all gut, and I'm seriously worried that I'm letting the fact people are voting for her color my impression of her. It's just that for a lot of those cases, I look at the person and think "yeah, no, don't wanna lynch". For Lux it's more like "sure why not".

I left off my dialogue with her last night after she had explained her early suspicion that nutella and I were bussing each other. We would have needed input from nutella at that point to carry on any further. I never felt totally satisfied by any of Lux’s responses, but she explained herself well enough that I didn’t feel my suspicion of her increased.

I can see the point that you are making.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I could townread MM, DDL if I must.

@MafiaMenace DDL is the player I thought you were when I first met you on GDS.

Y DDL?

I tend to suspect town DDL and mafia DDL. I don’t suspect him. So he’s probably town.

what has he done that makes you Not Suspect him?

It’s the lack of suspicious things.

It’s like if you have a test you know gets false positives sometimes and the test comes up negative. You’re more trusting of it than a test that historically has false negatives and false positives.

Except DDL did fool me in Flags so this is probably dumbish but oh well I was forced to give this read.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:29 am Like Nutella knows way better than to think me not posting is scum indicative.

She was my teammate for Mass Effect and I never coasted. I recently soloed two mafia wins after my whole team was lynched with pure WIM.

There is no way town Nutella decides I'm scum because I'm not posting enough. This is not a thing.

[mention]juliets[/mention]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:13 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:05 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:00 am These are further reads I don't believe.

Spoiler: show

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:52 pm But seriously @Sloonei Mata is my top suspect right now. Her iso is crap.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:51 pm sloonei: *asks me who I suspect*
me: *says who I suspect and talks about it for several posts*
sloonei: *asks me who I suspect*
sloonei: *is mafia*

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:46 pm Mac: well I'm just being cautious about him bc you know. But actually he did kinda ping me with this post

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:49 am This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

Perhaps he is one of those players who have rolled anti-town, and that's why it's on his mind.

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:42 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:38 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:33 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:20 pm

This seems like potential backed-into-a-corner-word-salad of an explanation

could you elaborate on this in a clear matter

When I originally stated my reason for suspecting MM I said it was because he was focusing on mechanics and that there were parts of that discussion which specifically pinged me. Even disregarding the small specific pings, which both he and Lux dismissed as weak and I concede that they were, I still suspect him for the main reason of generally focusing on mechanics. That make sense?

Serenade me with your take on why his focus on mechanics is suspicious

and what your other small pings were

It's an easy thing to talk about that isn't developing reads on other players. It's a way for scum to look productive in the thread without actually driving the scumhunting process.

Already discussed the other pings and they were shot down. Still have a hunch though.

Or were these supposed to be jokes?

Why don't you believe them?


I don't fake reads. I've talked about how that works even if I'm scum in a single scum team game, but it doesn't matter (A) because this is multiball and (B) because I am town anyway so I don't have any reason to fake anything. I feel like you have seen my defense about this a zillion times in different games and yet it's all you can accuse me of. Just deciding you don't think I have real reads. There's no substance to it. Explain your thinking.

Because they look like jokes. They're reachy. Talking about mechanics D0 makes MM scum? Talking about a player randing mafia means Mac randed mafia?

A) There are still differences between town and scum play in multiball.
B) Okay, sure.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:18 pm I brought up Ultra before I left last night. I’ve thought about him and scanned his posts again.

We all gave him credit for his Felicity proposal out of the gate, but if I put my scum-colored glasses on when I look at him, I can argue that he conceived of that plan in pre-game and posted it here with no regard for his alignment. He’s done (by his own admission) relatively little since then, which is underwhelming to say the least. He has returned to case speedchuck a little and I’m interested to see where that goes.

Any more general thoughts that @Ultra has about the game would significantly help my read of him.

Uh

I've done by my own admission little since I last posted. Not little since my initial proposition. You know this. I have several posts making various observations, responses to posts, etc. I just haven't managed to strike gold or dig deep.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I could townread MM, DDL if I must.

@MafiaMenace DDL is the player I thought you were when I first met you on GDS.

Y DDL?

I tend to suspect town DDL and mafia DDL. I don’t suspect him. So he’s probably town.

I came to the complete opposite conclusion for the same reason.

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:18 pm I brought up Ultra before I left last night. I’ve thought about him and scanned his posts again.

We all gave him credit for his Felicity proposal out of the gate, but if I put my scum-colored glasses on when I look at him, I can argue that he conceived of that plan in pre-game and posted it here with no regard for his alignment. He’s done (by his own admission) relatively little since then, which is underwhelming to say the least. He has returned to case speedchuck a little and I’m interested to see where that goes.

Any more general thoughts that @Ultra has about the game would significantly help my read of him.

Uh

I've done by my own admission little since I last posted. Not little since my initial proposition. You know this. I have several posts making various observations, responses to posts, etc. I just haven't managed to strike gold or dig deep.

About half your posts were in that initial flurry.

But this was not an accusation anyway. This was a prod to get your attention and have you tell me what you’re thinking.

What are you thinking?

I'm not trying to be overly defensive in this assertion, but it seems opportunistic to pounce on me for a self admitted lack of activity/specific direction.

It is reasonable to suspect that someone putting in low effort off a town read may be coasting off a town read. But I think it's pretty ridiculous for that factor alone to invalidate it to the point of voting for me. There should be some sort of supplementary evidence there at least. Otherwise, I think it shows a lack of commitment to the read in the first place.

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:57 pm I'm not trying to be overly defensive in this assertion, but it seems opportunistic to pounce on me for a self admitted lack of activity/specific direction.

It is reasonable to suspect that someone putting in low effort off a town read may be coasting off a town read. But I think it's pretty ridiculous for that factor alone to invalidate it to the point of voting for me. There should be some sort of supplementary evidence there at least. Otherwise, I think it shows a lack of commitment to the read in the first place.

I am not pouncing on you. This is not an accusation or a suspicion. I have not expressed a read of you in this exchange. I am just saying hello.

To be fair I think there's little necessity to cast doubt over me when there are so many viable pushes today. But between the 180 and the testing the waters by asking around, it looks like a pretty bad push.

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:03 pm To be fair I think there's little necessity to cast doubt over me when there are so many viable pushes today. But between the 180 and the testing the waters by asking around, it looks like a pretty bad push.

Which are the viable pushes?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:04 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:03 pm To be fair I think there's little necessity to cast doubt over me when there are so many viable pushes today. But between the 180 and the testing the waters by asking around, it looks like a pretty bad push.

Which are the viable pushes?

Most posters on the lower half of that list wouldn't be very hard to get out today

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:03 pm To be fair I think there's little necessity to cast doubt over me when there are so many viable pushes today. But between the 180 and the testing the waters by asking around, it looks like a pretty bad push.

I do not suspect you. There is no push happening. Please just tell me your reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:07 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:03 pm To be fair I think there's little necessity to cast doubt over me when there are so many viable pushes today. But between the 180 and the testing the waters by asking around, it looks like a pretty bad push.

I do not suspect you. There is no push happening. Please just tell me your reads.

I would like to know what your original vote was about then, because it seems like what you were trying to project by asking everyone to give their read on me was that you already had some suspicions and opinions. Or, you just had a gut read.

I'm not sure how I wasn't supposed to get the impression that you were suspecting me, so explain what that was about.

As for my reads - suspect speedchuck. Soft agree that cooler looks scummy. Voted Juliet earlier but that wasn't going anywhere and I think I'll have to ISO her again to sort her out. I'd like to question Mac more.

im back

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I could townread MM, DDL if I must.

@MafiaMenace DDL is the player I thought you were when I first met you on GDS.

we are one in the same
i am monkey d. luffy and he is dragon d. luffy
i dont like the aspect of his character being my dad but lets roll with it

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:26 pm New exercise time. Everyone pick a player with under 50 posts on this list who is town. Pick another player under 50 who is mafia.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:50 pm Username - Posts
Sloonei - 350
Luxurious - 230
Dragomir - 135
nutella - 135
Epignosis - 117
Creature - 104
Jackofhearts2005 - 100
Ultra - 99
MacDougall - 70
MafiaMenace - 45
speedchuck - 45
juliets - 41
DrWilgy - 29
Long Con - 22
Matahari - 22
Dragon D. Luffy - 21
sprityo - 9
Cooler - 7
sabie12 - 6
Spacedaisy - 3

I missed this. I already said sabie is the person I consider the most town so I'll pick Mafia Menace to be town in this exercise. I'll go with Cooler for mafia.

also gds?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:26 pm New exercise time. Everyone pick a player with under 50 posts on this list who is town. Pick another player under 50 who is mafia.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:50 pm Username - Posts
Sloonei - 350
Luxurious - 230
Dragomir - 135
nutella - 135
Epignosis - 117
Creature - 104
Jackofhearts2005 - 100
Ultra - 99
MacDougall - 70
MafiaMenace - 45
speedchuck - 45
juliets - 41
DrWilgy - 29
Long Con - 22
Matahari - 22
Dragon D. Luffy - 21
sprityo - 9
Cooler - 7
sabie12 - 6
Spacedaisy - 3

long con town
no mafia read, i try but i dont feel any mafia reads

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:08 am I am voting ultra because I want to reconsider the town read we all plopped on him in the beginning. I have no specific points against him at this time.

[mention]Ultra[/mention] I never suspected you. I use my vote as a tool to influence the conversation in the thread. I felt you had dropped out of everyone’s attention after your Day 0 entry. I simply wanted your name to be brought back into the fold.

probably because ive read jackshit from this game but whatever

any questions while i go read a bit?

Why is Long Con town, [mention]MafiaMenace[/mention]?