The Syndicate

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:11 am**

Marmot head shot. Dead. Town. Day 4. 2 days. Go.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:13 am**

.... I'm sorry esooa

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:24 am**

Anyway if yall need to clear someone out for f3 I rather you vote me out because I hate f3s

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:51 am**

Well. Alright

We’re here. It is, once again, a long day ahead. The answer here may or may not be simple; either way we need to do our due diligence as a team. This is a day to leave no stone unturned. There’s no reason final 3 ever has to exist.

I will do my part starting today.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:41 am**

[VOTE: lv 1 vote Nook. My head hurts real bad so I'll be more active later.] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:10 pm**

I'm gonna review falcon and Sabi in the same way I did Wilgy and Marmot previously, and then I'll see how I feel from there.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:21 pm**

[VOTE: jay] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:34 pm**

Hi Nanook!

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:35 pm**

It's testy in here

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:37 pm**

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:37 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:35 pm It's testy in here

I'm reviewing falcon currently. While I do, you ought to give me your most general impression of him.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:56 pm**

Captain falcon [45ca]

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falcon started the game in his first 15 posts or so screwing around. He placed some naked votes, but it's hard to call them serious engagement. This seems to be the first moment where I can see some kind of solving mechanism in a post (prodding me for a read). I was never entirely clear on the exact nature of Alison's initial suspicion of falcon, but perhaps that was it. He didn't do much at first.

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From that point there are a few more inklings that suggest something happening in falcon's head. It's naked reads that can be taken or left, so it's not super valuable.

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falcon's reception of Alison's suspicion was quite conciliatory. It's fine to town read your accuser, but the rationale here is a bit soft.

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This is an important stretch for falcon given the relationship with Sparkles. falcon's initial reception of Sparkles dismissing his combat with Alison as town/town is similar to my own, albeit stronger. He dropped one of his token naked votes. He moved it again 18 minutes later after a brief exchange with Sparkles. Sparkles' commentary gives me the impression of someone who is talking to a player that needs this explanation; that is, I see an effort to be convincing here. That might be particularly important given that this is Sparkles responding to a neutral comment, not even to falcon's vote for her. It doesn't feel like the stuff of partners.

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falcon gave me continued scrutiny, and I would expect him to do so as town. It's not clear what his gripe was if there even was a gripe, so temper the credit. But this is fine.

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Just putting these in one place for some good falconian whiplash. He's basically Rondo in this game. That "hurl votes with reckless abandon" character is not a "problem" and nor is it good. Votes are easy to place. It's good at face value though that he ended in the right place.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:29 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:54 pm it's not Alison simply because she attracted too much attention to herself yesterday pushing me, a non mafia. JJJ and Alison being kept alive means the mafia believes they will not be solved too quickly
This is so awkwardly phrased, and honestly I don't think it makes much sense...wouldn't any Maf on D1 push town lynches?

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:32 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:16 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:14 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:54 pm it's not Alison simply because she attracted too much attention to herself yesterday pushing me, a non mafia. JJJ and Alison being kept alive means the mafia believes they will not be solved too quickly
Who's mafia in a world where they aren't solved quickly?
could be anyone, but I'm saying they logically look good from d1 for not killing Alison or jjj, gutsy move
This reeks of TMI...why aren't you considering that one of them could be Maf?

How does a "gutsy move" translate to "logically looking good"?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:39 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:32 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:16 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:14 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:54 pm it's not Alison simply because she attracted too much attention to herself yesterday pushing me, a non mafia. JJJ and Alison being kept alive means the mafia believes they will not be solved too quickly
Who's mafia in a world where they aren't solved quickly?
could be anyone, but I'm saying they logically look good from d1 for not killing Alison or jjj, gutsy move
This reeks of TMI...why aren't you considering that one of them could be Maf?

How does a "gutsy move" translate to "logically looking good"?
because jjj and Alison are arguably the best players here, leaving them alive is objectively gutsy, and because they are left alive that means the last mafia isn't worried they will be solved by both of them and the rest of the playerlist
What if one of them is Maf?

Who amongst the remaining players is arrogant enough to believe that they're unsolvable?

Outside of JJJ & Alison, there are certainly talented enough players here to solve the remaining Maf

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:41 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:40 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:32 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:16 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:14 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:54 pm it's not Alison simply because she attracted too much attention to herself yesterday pushing me, a non mafia. JJJ and Alison being kept alive means the mafia believes they will not be solved too quickly
Who's mafia in a world where they aren't solved quickly?
could be anyone, but I'm saying they logically look good from d1 for not killing Alison or jjj, gutsy move
This reeks of TMI...why aren't you considering that one of them could be Maf?

How does a "gutsy move" translate to "logically looking good"?
do you think I haven't considered that or that I'm simply omitting the reasoning for an Alison/jjj world?
It does not seem you've considered that, based off what I've read from you today

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:50 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:32 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:31 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:23 pm @lucy how do you intend to solve this game?
my once per game god read of course
Can I safely assume that you’ll be providing this during the current day phase?
or the next, yeah

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:33 pm Halftime is over.

Consider that my challenge to you, lucy. Whatever you have in mind, resolve it before Day 2 is out.
I have ideas but gotta see how thread evolves cause that'll tell me where scum is, therefore I can't say what I'm thinking out loud
Are you able to see how this comes across as anti-town?

These are pretty easy poops to throw at lucy. Meh.

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This was falcon's opening on Day 3. The explanation for the Esooa vote is okay, if thin.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:33 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:37 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:38 am I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is
Also, all of that being true, I think this post is pretty towny imo. If I'm a wolf doing this is pretty bad because my vanity vote was doing nothing for me, it doesn't mean Sparkles is less likely to die, it doesn't mean I get any bus credit, etc. Fmpov at least it's obvious I was intending to do this with how I didn't know OW was a wagon, called my read on him meager, switched off it pretty easily, etc.
This just reeks...as tho your Sparkles read wasn't meager as well, there's several posts where you're fine with Sparks, but also widening the POE.

I shall find them

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:35 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:34 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:32 am Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be
Not feeling great on the Sparkles exe, is what I mean here
Here's one

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:38 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:54 am actually if I have 6 town reads (true) then it's not
6 town reads, tho later talks about how they don't have any SRs they feel strongly about...I don't get that logic at all

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:42 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:48 pm Don't know how to read sparkles so I'll just sheep
For someone who's sheeping, there's a lot of talk later by Esooa on Sparks re: town/scum, and lots of justifying their EOD on D2

If the prior read was thin, he did well to thicken it here. One cannot accuse falcon of failing to justify his Esooa vote.

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This was the consensus POE yesterday, so sure. The key component, I think, is in having town reads of everyone else. It is true that earlier in Day 3, falcon had made an argument in Marmot's favor here. He had an exchange with Sabi here that does not explicitly indicate a town read, but could theoretically feed into his internal progression. I'm not as clear on the other town reads (Wilgy and myself) that lead to this POE.

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I like this observation. It's incisive and requires some depth of digging.

This is a bit of a mixed bag, albeit with a reasonable brunt of that mix airing positive. There are some micro-level things that can be construed as concerning, and in a game with only five people alive that's inherently more meaningful. Gun to my head I would call falcon town. Regardless, I would greatly appreciate any discussion from others on the matter. Sorting everyone has to be a collective task.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:01 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:37 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:35 pm It's testy in here
I'm reviewing falcon currently. While I do, you ought to give me your most general impression of him.

I think he's more likely town then not? Tho his quickness to jump on Esooa wagon gives me pause.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:04 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:37 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:35 pm It's testy in here
I'm reviewing falcon currently. While I do, you ought to give me your most general impression of him.
I think he's more likely town then not? Tho his quickness to jump on Esooa wagon gives me pause.

Okay. I'd be interested to hear what you think of my last review there. I don't ask that you respond to every point or anything like that. Instead, if there's any standout point either in his favor or not, we should talk about it.

I'll be reviewing you similarly soon. Your dreams will have come true.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:24 pm**

Will do

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:49 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 2:56 pm Captain falcon [45ca]

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:46 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:24 am @DrWilgy whaddya like about falcon
How do you read falcon?

falcon started the game in his first 15 posts or so screwing around. He placed some naked votes, but it's hard to call them serious engagement. This seems to be the first moment where I can see some kind of solving mechanism in a post (prodding me for a read). I was never entirely clear on the exact nature of Alison's initial suspicion of falcon, but perhaps that was it. He didn't do much at first.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:26 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:21 pm I'm not hyperposting or top posting. I'm confirmed scum.

That's how yall sounds judging both Falcon and Wilgz based off posting numbers
Towny sus IMO

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:43 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:09 pm DrWilgy
Sabiplz
Marmot
[Ace Ventura gif]

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:44 pm JJJ's reluctance to TR my slot is 63% towny

From that point there are a few more inklings that suggest something happening in falcon's head. It's naked reads that can be taken or left, so it's not super valuable.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:12 pm Mac can't play in this game so I have to take his place. I bet you wouldn't give Mac shit if he said what I did. Well I am Mac now.
I gave Mac shit last game we played for his bad read on my slot, so this is demonstrably false.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:13 pm So falcon what is your read on me?
Your take on my slot is strangely aggressive if you're Maf.

I'd say you're more likely town who thinks they've caught something

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:34 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:27 pm Nothing Alison has done since her pop in has given me towny pings.

She's still awkward and stiff.

Anyway I have a migraine so I'm going to be in and out today.

Alison is not easily solved off "stiff/awkwardness" in her posting, what else ya got?

(1) falcon's reception of Alison's suspicion was quite conciliatory. It's fine to town read your accuser, but the rationale here is a bit soft.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:49 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:46 pm I’m gonna give Alison and Falcon town leans and call it a day on this opening
Hmmmmmm

[VOTE: MissSparkles] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:07 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:54 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:47 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:30 pm Sup? Page 1 was a bore to read, I quit smoking yesterday because I have zero monies and we’ll oof I feel awful rn fam.
Check out the following pages, it gets pretty kray kray
Have you ever changed your avi before? I feel like it’s always the same aesthetic with u and that makes me a sad panda.

I skipped and read the latest page and deduced both of my reads on you on posts I’ve seen from this page aka recent developments.

So like I felt like u saying “u bamboozled her” as mafia before and simultaneously calling her town was a good look and not something I’d see mafia doing, I like your tone and responses towards her and they felt towny in nature.

Alison’s being super aggressive and yea ok could be a wolf in power, but this early in the phase and this vocal more often than not comes from a towny imo
Not on this site, and extremely rarely in general. I like the consistency, it's like a name brand logo...all you have to do is see it, and you know.

[VOTE: Essoa] aubergine

This is an important stretch for falcon given the relationship with Sparkles. falcon's initial reception of Sparkles dismissing his combat with Alison as town/town is similar to my own, albeit stronger. He dropped one of his token naked votes. He moved it again 18 minutes later after a brief exchange with Sparkles. Sparkles' commentary gives me the impression of someone who is talking to a player that needs this explanation; that is, I see an effort to be convincing here. That might be particularly important given that this is Sparkles responding to a neutral comment, not even to falcon's vote for her. It doesn't feel like the stuff of partners.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:16 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:31 pm why did u vote me @JaggedJimmyJay
You strike me as someone more likely than the average bear to respond readably to a random vote. I'm not sure that has borne fruit though.
The question is, do I feel the same about your response to my (seemingly) random vote on you?

No, I do not.

I think there's an above average chance your scum this game. Let's call it a 68% chance

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:21 pm Basic sort:

[town read]
DrWilgy
Sabiplz
Marmot

[town lean]
Alison
falconf5ca

---POE---

Esooa
outed wolf
Nanook
lucy
MissSparkles
Can ya give me a couple quick points on Nook, Sparkles & lucy?

falcon gave me continued scrutiny, and I would expect him to do so as town. It's not clear what his gripe was if there even was a gripe, so temper the credit. But this is fine.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:47 pm [VOTE: Sparkles] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:07 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:58 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:55 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:54 pm that is the intentional impression I give d1 lmao, so why do u have me in poe instead of null
Null IS POE. The target number of town reads is five, and the rest fall under the line.
ah, also ur at 50 posts and it's just started, I'd slow down
"Please don't solve me JJJ, be careful of your post count!"

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:29 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:20 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:24 pm Wasn’t necessarily trying to be manipulative, but a lot of players have said my posts come across as such wether town or scum. Some people are manipulative or seem so without actively trying to be and it seems I fit into that category @JaggedJimmyJay

My boyfriend wants me too watch Troy with him so I’ll be back afterwards.
Skip it, it's shit. Watch something better
I actually liked it, Achilles was hot af
Well, it's Brad Pitt, so 'natch

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

Posting, but not adding. Last few posts def seem like they're fine slowing down engagement between players

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:37 pm [VOTE: Sparx] aubergine

(2) Just putting these in one place for some good falconian whiplash. He's basically Rondo in this game. That "hurl votes with reckless abandon" character is not a "problem" and nor is it good. Votes are easy to place. It's good at face value though that he ended in the right place.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:29 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:54 pm it's not Alison simply because she attracted too much attention to herself yesterday pushing me, a non mafia. JJJ and Alison being kept alive means the mafia believes they will not be solved too quickly
This is so awkwardly phrased, and honestly I don't think it makes much sense...wouldn't any Maf on D1 push town lynches?

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:32 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:16 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:14 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:54 pm it's not Alison simply because she attracted too much attention to herself yesterday pushing me, a non mafia. JJJ and Alison being kept alive means the mafia believes they will not be solved too quickly
Who's mafia in a world where they aren't solved quickly?
could be anyone, but I'm saying they logically look good from d1 for not killing Alison or jjj, gutsy move
This reeks of TMI...why aren't you considering that one of them could be Maf?

How does a "gutsy move" translate to "logically looking good"?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:39 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:32 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:16 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:14 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:54 pm it's not Alison simply because she attracted too much attention to herself yesterday pushing me, a non mafia. JJJ and Alison being kept alive means the mafia believes they will not be solved too quickly
Who's mafia in a world where they aren't solved quickly?
could be anyone, but I'm saying they logically look good from d1 for not killing Alison or jjj, gutsy move
This reeks of TMI...why aren't you considering that one of them could be Maf?

How does a "gutsy move" translate to "logically looking good"?
because jjj and Alison are arguably the best players here, leaving them alive is objectively gutsy, and because they are left alive that means the last mafia isn't worried they will be solved by both of them and the rest of the playerlist
What if one of them is Maf?

Who amongst the remaining players is arrogant enough to believe that they're unsolvable?

Outside of JJJ & Alison, there are certainly talented enough players here to solve the remaining Maf

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:41 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:40 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:32 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:16 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:14 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:54 pm it's not Alison simply because she attracted too much attention to herself yesterday pushing me, a non mafia. JJJ and Alison being kept alive means the mafia believes they will not be solved too quickly
Who's mafia in a world where they aren't solved quickly?
could be anyone, but I'm saying they logically look good from d1 for not killing Alison or jjj, gutsy move
This reeks of TMI...why aren't you considering that one of them could be Maf?

How does a "gutsy move" translate to "logically looking good"?
do you think I haven't considered that or that I'm simply omitting the reasoning for an Alison/jjj world?
It does not seem you've considered that, based off what I've read from you today

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:50 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:32 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:31 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:23 pm @lucy how do you intend to solve this game?
my once per game god read of course
Can I safely assume that you’ll be providing this during the current day phase?
or the next, yeah

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:33 pm Halftime is over.

Consider that my challenge to you, lucy. Whatever you have in mind, resolve it before Day 2 is out.
I have ideas but gotta see how thread evolves cause that'll tell me where scum is, therefore I can't say what I'm thinking out loud
Are you able to see how this comes across as anti-town?

These are pretty easy poops to throw at lucy. Meh.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:08 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:40 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:18 am [VOTE: essoa] aubergine
Why
Going thru her ISO last night, and it feels like a lot of hedgey solving...it's more like she's treading water this game.

This was falcon's opening on Day 3. The explanation for the Esooa vote is okay, if thin.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:33 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:37 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:38 am I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is
Also, all of that being true, I think this post is pretty towny imo. If I'm a wolf doing this is pretty bad because my vanity vote was doing nothing for me, it doesn't mean Sparkles is less likely to die, it doesn't mean I get any bus credit, etc. Fmpov at least it's obvious I was intending to do this with how I didn't know OW was a wagon, called my read on him meager, switched off it pretty easily, etc.
This just reeks...as tho your Sparkles read wasn't meager as well, there's several posts where you're fine with Sparks, but also widening the POE.

I shall find them

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:35 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:34 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:32 am Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be
Not feeling great on the Sparkles exe, is what I mean here
Here's one

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:38 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:54 am actually if I have 6 town reads (true) then it's not
6 town reads, tho later talks about how they don't have any SRs they feel strongly about...I don't get that logic at all

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:42 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:48 pm Don't know how to read sparkles so I'll just sheep
For someone who's sheeping, there's a lot of talk later by Esooa on Sparks re: town/scum, and lots of justifying their EOD on D2

If the prior read was thin, he did well to thicken it here. One cannot accuse falcon of failing to justify his Esooa vote.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:49 pm Nanook/Esooa are the POE this RD IMO

I have reasons to TR everybody else, save those two

This was the consensus POE yesterday, so sure. The key component, I think, is in having town reads of everyone else. It is true that earlier in Day 3, falcon had made an argument in Marmot's favor here. He had an exchange with Sabi here that does not explicitly indicate a town read, but could theoretically feed into his internal progression. I'm not as clear on the other town reads (Wilgy and myself) that lead to this POE.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:54 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:52 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:54 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:34 pm

Ok, what are we working on

Fair warning im still crying about Jay calling my reads bad

Is jAY just a random vote, i remember playing with him as town in the 70s (champs s2) and we won. he seems pretty proactive in engaging others but thats obvi easy to fake as scum. tell me more about him, unless hes right and youre reads are just bad.

tbh i still dont get the ego thing AND WHY ITs important or being used for a read but maybe im just confused idk.
Idk it might be bad its a micro read i made while exhausted lol, but I didn't think his sabi read was real or made sense at the time, and his looking for a wikgy read from me after like 3 hours was kinda bad too given the nature of the read (which he apparently knows exists but doesn't know how works, which is...weh)

I think marmot's argument amounts to "alison wastes more time arguing trivial things as mafia"

Idk if its meaningful or not, I thibk its something Marmot could realistically believe
I think this is the largest post of the game for you
Possible
Why does it seem you've been the most comfortable sharing reads and discussing the game with a confirmed Wolf?

Can you give us some insight into your Esooa read?

I like this observation. It's incisive and requires some depth of digging.

This is a bit of a mixed bag, albeit with a reasonable brunt of that mix airing positive. There are some micro-level things that can be construed as concerning, and in a game with only five people alive that's inherently more meaningful. Gun to my head I would call falcon town. Regardless, I would greatly appreciate any discussion from others on the matter. Sorting everyone has to be a collective task.

Colored and numbered stuff.

(1)

Can you expand on what you mean by the rationale was soft?

(2)

Also need you to expand on this. Is there a reason to bring this up since it's neither good nor bad? You have touched on his naked voting that he threw around earlier in the game as well.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:03 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:49 pmColored and numbered stuff.

(1) Can you expand on what you mean by the rationale was soft?

(2) Also need you to expand on this. Is there a reason to bring this up since it's neither good nor bad? You have touched on his naked voting that he threw around earlier in the game as well.

Sure.

(1) I mean that falcon was accepting of Alison as a town read with little resistance or exploration. To suggest that Alison of all people is town for aggression is rationale that I would describe a thin or "soft".

(2) In isolation, the vote swapping doesn't mean a lot to me. It does, however, provide a snippet of a broader theme: that falcon's progressions, if they exist, are predominantly internalized. The reader is left to interpret on their own what he is doing and how he is doing it, with some exceptions. One thing I think is decent for falcon is that the more important progressions (e.g., his view of Esooa into Day 3) are the ones he gives greater clarity in the game thread. He doesn't necessarily have to make everything explicit.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:50 pm**

POE says it's Nook, but Wilgy is starting to Wilg me out...

What if, knowing he has some convalescence ahead of him, Wilgy puts in a Herculean D1 to setup a deep wolf game?

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:03 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:50 pm POE says it's Nook, but Wilgy is starting to Wilg me out...

What if, knowing he has some convalescence ahead of him, Wilgy puts in a Herculean D1 to setup a deep wolf game?

Explain the wilgZ

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:06 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:19 am Alison
2
15%
Voters: MissSparkles, Sabiplz
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Esooa
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45a
0
No votes
Voters: None
JaggedJimmyJay
0
No votes
Voters: None
lucy
1
8%
Voters: Alison
Marmot
0
No votes
Voters: None
MissSparkles
5
38%
Voters: Esooa, falcon45ca, JaggedJimmyJay, outed wolf, Marmot
Nanook
0
No votes
Voters: None
outed wolf
3
23%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy, lucy
Sabiplz
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall (No silly I'm the host)
2
15%
Voters: MacDougall, Scotty
Total votes: 13

Bringing this back for ease of reference. It's the Day 1 poll.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:06 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:50 pm POE says it's Nook, but Wilgy is starting to Wilg me out...

What if, knowing he has some convalescence ahead of him, Wilgy puts in a Herculean D1 to setup a deep wolf game?

Could be. When I performed my prior review of Wilgy, it often felt like I had to nitpick to raise gripes. The case would have to be of the on-the-nose variety: he voted outed wolf, which invited Nanook's follow, and in so doing created a significant counterwagon to Sparkles. Then he fell off given his surgical needs. At this stage of play it's something that should be considered.

Is there something in particular that points your tinfoil in his direction instead of mine or Sabi's?

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:53 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:50 pm POE says it's Nook, but Wilgy is starting to Wilg me out...

What if, knowing he has some convalescence ahead of him, Wilgy puts in a Herculean D1 to setup a deep wolf game?
Explain the wilgZ

It's just a theory...but for someone so TR, he's still Herr.

Wilgy knew he'd be absent for a chunk, so if he was slanky in the early stages, he'd likely be POEd by now.

IMO, he's riding a strong D1 into now, and is largely still TR as of late. I'm suspicious

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:55 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:50 pm POE says it's Nook, but Wilgy is starting to Wilg me out...

What if, knowing he has some convalescence ahead of him, Wilgy puts in a Herculean D1 to setup a deep wolf game?
Could be. When I performed my prior review of Wilgy, it often felt like I had to nitpick to raise gripes. The case would have to be of the on-the-nose variety: he voted outed wolf, which invited Nanook's follow, and in so doing created a significant counterwagon to Sparkles. Then he fell off given his surgical needs. At this stage of play it's something that should be considered.

Is there something in particular that points your tinfoil in his direction instead of mine or Sabi's?

No, I'm suspicious of you both as well. Sabi more so for... reasons.

Out of curiosity, of the players left, who wasn't on Sparkles D1? Anybody?

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:56 pm**

Nook, Wilgy & Sabi.

Given a 2 player team, I think our Maf is off wagon D1

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:00 pm**

[VOTE: Nook] aubergine

I have reasons to TR everyone save Nook right now

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:23 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:56 pm Nook, Wilgy & Sabi.

Given a 2 player team, I think our Maf is off wagon D1

OK but my vote was an ego pride one about Alison

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:23 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:53 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:50 pm POE says it's Nook, but Wilgy is starting to Wilg me out...

What if, knowing he has some convalescence ahead of him, Wilgy puts in a Herculean D1 to setup a deep wolf game?
Explain the wilgZ
It's just a theory...but for someone so TR, he's still Herr.

Wilgy knew he'd be absent for a chunk, so if he was slanky in the early stages, he'd likely be POEd by now.

IMO, he's riding a strong D1 into now, and is largely still TR as of late. I'm suspicious

He's slanking because of the surgery he had

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:24 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:50 pm POE says it's Nook, but Wilgy is starting to Wilg me out...

What if, knowing he has some convalescence ahead of him, Wilgy puts in a Herculean D1 to setup a deep wolf game?
Could be. When I performed my prior review of Wilgy, it often felt like I had to nitpick to raise gripes. The case would have to be of the on-the-nose variety: he voted outed wolf, which invited Nanook's follow, and in so doing created a significant counterwagon to Sparkles. Then he fell off given his surgical needs. At this stage of play it's something that should be considered.

Is there something in particular that points your tinfoil in his direction instead of mine or Sabi's?
No, I'm suspicious of you both as well. Sabi more so for... reasons.

Out of curiosity, of the players left, who wasn't on Sparkles D1? Anybody?

Explain my reasons. I have been blatantly towny

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:30 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:24 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:50 pm POE says it's Nook, but Wilgy is starting to Wilg me out...

What if, knowing he has some convalescence ahead of him, Wilgy puts in a Herculean D1 to setup a deep wolf game?
Could be. When I performed my prior review of Wilgy, it often felt like I had to nitpick to raise gripes. The case would have to be of the on-the-nose variety: he voted outed wolf, which invited Nanook's follow, and in so doing created a significant counterwagon to Sparkles. Then he fell off given his surgical needs. At this stage of play it's something that should be considered.

Is there something in particular that points your tinfoil in his direction instead of mine or Sabi's?
No, I'm suspicious of you both as well. Sabi more so for... reasons.

Out of curiosity, of the players left, who wasn't on Sparkles D1? Anybody?
Explain my reasons. I have been blatantly towny

Hmmmmmm

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:32 pm**

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:46 pm**

OK lol

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:01 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:46 pmOK lol

What do you feel has been blatantly towny your play that makes you beyond suspicion?

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:21 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:01 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:46 pmOK lol
What do you feel has been blatantly towny your play that makes you beyond suspicion?

Please tell me what wolf is going to go through old games on here to find a wolf rand of Esooa, iso her, find her reads list and see if it's comparable to what she posted here. I put in a lot of work in solving Esooa and I was incorrect for it.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:30 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:01 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:46 pmOK lol
What do you feel has been blatantly towny your play that makes you beyond suspicion?
Please tell me what wolf is going to go through old games on here to find a wolf rand of Esooa, iso her, find her reads list and see if it's comparable to what she posted here. I put in a lot of work in solving Esooa and I was incorrect for it.

The kind of wolf who wants to look town pushing a ML.

What else?

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:40 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:30 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:01 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:46 pmOK lol
What do you feel has been blatantly towny your play that makes you beyond suspicion?
Please tell me what wolf is going to go through old games on here to find a wolf rand of Esooa, iso her, find her reads list and see if it's comparable to what she posted here. I put in a lot of work in solving Esooa and I was incorrect for it.
The kind of wolf who wants to look town pushing a ML.

What else?

If i was pushing a ml why did I not just join yall on lucy instead of fighting against it?

Also look at sparkles and I interactions. In what way does it look partnered.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:44 pm**

Falcon what exactly have you done that was towny?

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:07 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:44 pm Falcon what exactly have you done that was towny?

Dead Maf.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:08 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:40 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:30 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:01 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:46 pmOK lol
What do you feel has been blatantly towny your play that makes you beyond suspicion?
Please tell me what wolf is going to go through old games on here to find a wolf rand of Esooa, iso her, find her reads list and see if it's comparable to what she posted here. I put in a lot of work in solving Esooa and I was incorrect for it.
The kind of wolf who wants to look town pushing a ML.

What else?
If i was pushing a ml why did I not just join yall on lucy instead of fighting against it?

Also look at sparkles and I interactions. In what way does it look partnered.

Ah, wolves always must appear wolfy...I see

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:59 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:07 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:44 pm Falcon what exactly have you done that was towny?
Dead Maf.

Bussing never exists.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:38 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:59 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:07 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:44 pm Falcon what exactly have you done that was towny?
Dead Maf.
Bussing never exists.

No, it does. Bussing is real, I'm not saying I'm lock town

But you asked, and I've got a pelt.

You don't tho, yet somehow think you're beyond reproach. Why is that I wonder?

I recall you were a bit testy last RD when I dared raise questions about your slot...

Talk to me about your thoughts on the remaining players

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:50 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:38 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:59 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:07 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:44 pm Falcon what exactly have you done that was towny?
Dead Maf.
Bussing never exists.
No, it does. Bussing is real, I'm not saying I'm lock town

But you asked, and I've got a pelt.

You don't tho, yet somehow think you're beyond reproach. Why is that I wonder?

I recall you were a bit testy last RD when I dared raise questions about your slot...

Talk to me about your thoughts on the remaining players

Pelt means nothing because your vote wasn't the one that caused her death. The fact you are bragging about it is a clear tell you want credit for bussing.

I am always testy.

Jjj I'm currently paranoid over because he's alive

Wilgz idk what's up with him post surgery

Nook he need to obv town because rn he's looking dire

You, I'm currently raising my eyebrows at

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:51 pm**

Anyway this game just ended. It was multiball and I was scum. Under the BesharamSabi name.

I won.

You have 2 states game and this as recent scum rands

https://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/vie ... 06&t=62489

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:52 pm**

I'm very much clearly out of my wolf range this game.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:58 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:51 pm Anyway this game just ended. It was multiball and I was scum. Under the BesharamSabi name.

I won.

You have 2 states game and this as recent scum rands

https://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/vie ... 06&t=62489

poo

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:59 pm**

Mafia Sabiplz posts in my previous mountainous game

Worth exploring

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:06 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:58 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:51 pm Anyway this game just ended. It was multiball and I was scum. Under the BesharamSabi name.

I won.

You have 2 states game and this as recent scum rands

https://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/vie ... 06&t=62489

poo

Make a playdip account

But yea I barely posted and just min posted the whole game.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:07 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:59 pm Mafia Sabiplz posts in my previous mountainous game

Worth exploring

At a glance, one difference between the Sabi of that game and the version in this game is the absence of analog to a fervent defense for a player being mischopped (or really any kind of enthusiastic defense). There's not much evidence of serious investment from that previous version of Sabi in promoting a read of their own -- even some suspicion of Mac kind of faded when it didn't stick. That's contrary to their defense of lucy and suspicions of Alison and Esooa in this game.

Put another way: they were more passive in the other game as mafia than they seem in this one.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:11 pm**

If you can't find me as town then I can't help you.

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:12 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:11 pm If you can't find me as town then I can't help you.

Who is this directed at?

Posted: **Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:13 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:06 pm But yea I barely posted and just min posted the whole game.

Would you say that you have a volume tell?

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