The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:52 pm Here's my rainbow:



ColinIsCool
DFaraday
DharmaHelper
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
Enrique
Epignosis
Glorfindel
Golden
insertnamehere
lapluie/Mac
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
sig
speedchuck
Turnip Head

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:14 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:52 pm Here's my rainbow:



ColinIsCool
DFaraday
DharmaHelper
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
Enrique
Epignosis
Glorfindel
Golden
insertnamehere
lapluie/Mac
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
sig
speedchuck
Turnip Head

I’m sorry but I can’t make any sense of this - it looks more like a lottery result than a reads list...

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:48 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:08 pm Nova was on sokoth early, and sokoth was not one of the leading wagons. When sokoth took the lead, nova tried to divert others to seeing Luna as bad while not being willing to swing that way himself.

This has all the hallmarks of distancing becoming bussing to me. It’s like something I would do.

This.

Also nova is one of the few people who have played with Soneji recently, and would know he is a good player. Giving him a reason to off him on night 1. The other one would be Epi, who won a big game with him as scum a few years ago. I bet one of nova or Epi is bad.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:18 pm Has anybody taken the time to...oh, gee, I don't know...examine the dead mafia member's posts and interactions to provide insight regarding today's lynch? Luna did, I think. I know I did, but I didn't see anybody comment on it. Seems everybody got so busy discussing people who aren't on the poll and why they aren't there.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:20 pm Guys I have a compelling argument.

I'm not bad.

That is all.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:22 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:48 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:08 pm Nova was on sokoth early, and sokoth was not one of the leading wagons. When sokoth took the lead, nova tried to divert others to seeing Luna as bad while not being willing to swing that way himself.

This has all the hallmarks of distancing becoming bussing to me. It’s like something I would do.

This.

Also nova is one of the few people who have played with Soneji recently, and would know he is a good player. Giving him a reason to off him on night 1. The other one would be Epi, who won a big game with him as scum a few years ago. I bet one of nova or Epi is bad.

I would have killed Soneji Night 1, sure, but not for the "reason" (?) you think, although I'm not sure how me previously being on a team with Soneji leads you to believe I would have killed him.

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:29 am

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:05 am That’s a big load of baloney right there, nova.

1) I danced around nothing. I’ve been direct about what I’ve been seeing. It’s your choice whether to engage in my suspicions of you or not, I don’t have to ask a specific question of you or @mention you to get your attention. That’s a completely arbitrary standard you’ve decided to apply, just to paint me as not genuine.

2) The motivation is clear to me - to control who is on what crew, who’s available for a nk, who’s available for a lynch. I’m far less controllable. If I pick an entirely town crew, and prevent them being lynched, then I get a strong advantage over the mafia. If I pick well, I can effectively prevent myself being nked.

3) You say you saw it coming... I could tell. That’s why you came at me the way you did to begin with. I called you out and instead of addressing my suspicion, you went as hominem - going after my choice of grammar instead of the accusation. There’s nothing much to your reasoning for your votes. Your turn on me was because apparently you liked me early and liked me less later, but you didn’t manage to give a single reason for either of those things. You’ve been waiting for me to vote before you do much of anything, just so you can defend the vote instead of actually engaging in the original suspicion too deeply.

Your response post then is trying to make out like my logic doesn’t track when you’re all over the place.

I particularly like this sentence from yo: “you’re getting too hung up on the captain votes, when I don’t think it should be a priority.” Of course you wouldn’t think it should be a priority if you’re reading it down. But I hate that deeply. If you don’t think the mafia tried to manipulate that vote in some way... we’ll i just don’t believe you.

Day zero and day one is where mafia slip and think they can get away with it. They protect their own, help each other out and pass it off as unimportant. The very fact you set out to overtly break the tie and then did it with absolutely no post history to back it up is part of why I find yours in particular the most suspicious - because what mafia would be so bold, huh? It has its own inherent wifom.

As for me wanting to be captain - on that one, at least, I’ll admit it’s NAI. I’d want it either way. But I wanted it here because of how badly day zero reeked of manipulation.

Woah, shots fired! Some good information in there, pretty compelling.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:06 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:59 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:29 am This is the requisite mea culpa/self-flagellation about SQ.

There are, to my mind, three reasons why I was resistant to suspect SQ.

1. Lack of familiarity with his gameplay. This was the first game I've been in with him in years. I simply didn't know what to expect, and my instincts were led astray.

2. For the past couple years or so, SQ, Daisy, DH, and I have regularly played together in a Star Trek chatroom game, where SQ plays our captain. I was so used to seeing him in that role, and his posts here highly resembled how he usually posts in that game, and I kinda comfortably conflated the two. Like, SQ's acting like his honorable captain dude in the Star Trek sim, therefore he's probably civilian.

3. He was on the Serenity. After the loss of Mac, (and even before) I wanted to protect my team as much as possible, because it seemed like people were hammering away at it, and our chances of winning missions seemed lower and lower as things progressed. I think that there's an impulse to townread members of your crew in this game. I fell prey to it. I'm a little worried that Golden is falling prey to it right now.

So yeah, I ballsed up. However, I think I had reasonable reasons for doing so.

I wholeheartedly endorse points 1 and 2 of this post.

We miss Corky!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:19 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:14 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:52 pm Here's my rainbow:



ColinIsCool
DFaraday
DharmaHelper
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
Enrique
Epignosis
Glorfindel
Golden
insertnamehere
lapluie/Mac
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
sig
speedchuck
Turnip Head

I’m sorry but I can’t make any sense of this - it looks more like a lottery result than a reads list...

What kind of lotteries do you have?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:18 pm Has anybody taken the time to...oh, gee, I don't know...examine the dead mafia member's posts and interactions to provide insight regarding today's lynch? Luna did, I think. I know I did, but I didn't see anybody comment on it. Seems everybody got so busy discussing people who aren't on the poll and why they aren't there.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:13 pm Golden, sweetie, watch this:

Spoiler: show

The crowd:

"Captain Epignosis, you putting Glorfindel on the poll is so stupid if you think he's good. What the hell, man!"

Epignosis:

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:36 am I've been looking through DDL's Iso since I've seen a few that are hedging their bets on that train.

The only thing that stands out is there is a lack of real substance. Like they seem all over the place, helping one moment, defending in another. And rarely really lashing out at anyone accept maybe a couple of times. I'm curious if you guys have more information on why DDL is the focus of your attention. Maybe I'm missing something. Anyone else see anything substantial on DDL that hasn't been pointed out yet?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:22 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:48 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:08 pm Nova was on sokoth early, and sokoth was not one of the leading wagons. When sokoth took the lead, nova tried to divert others to seeing Luna as bad while not being willing to swing that way himself.

This has all the hallmarks of distancing becoming bussing to me. It’s like something I would do.

This.

Also nova is one of the few people who have played with Soneji recently, and would know he is a good player. Giving him a reason to off him on night 1. The other one would be Epi, who won a big game with him as scum a few years ago. I bet one of nova or Epi is bad.

I would have killed Soneji Night 1, sure, but not for the "reason" (?) you think, although I'm not sure how me previously being on a team with Soneji leads you to believe I would have killed him.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:36 pm

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:36 am I've been looking through DDL's Iso since I've seen a few that are hedging their bets on that train.

The only thing that stands out is there is a lack of real substance. Like they seem all over the place, helping one moment, defending in another. And rarely really lashing out at anyone accept maybe a couple of times. I'm curious if you guys have more information on why DDL is the focus of your attention. Maybe I'm missing something. Anyone else see anything substantial on DDL that hasn't been pointed out yet?

Does this or does this not (read the whole thing and then reread the large part) look like SokothQultuq is fishing for some kind of information role who may have pegged his teammate, DDL?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:20 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:52 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:37 am @novaselinenever what do you think we should do? INH hasn't been around much today but I was feeling okay about him when he was here

One thing we shouldn't let happen is you getting lynched

Otherwise, I'm clueless. I'm rethinking my read on Wilgy since I trust some people on that wagon, and the Sokoth thing might be there but I'm just blind or too stubborn/bias.

I don't feel great about INH. He's been only going after me and Luna when he was here. The part on me felt like just shadowing Golden's read, a player read as Town throughout the board and a Town leader. Not sure I felt any conviction in his posts about me, and I only got back to him when I was a bit tilted from his view on me (more as a player than this game in particular).

The Luna thing had some merit tbf, but he pushed it like a robot lol. I never really felt like he had any intention to get to the bottom of things with it, nor was he willing to let it develop. A feeling you get with Townies, because sometimes they're unsure. He just stuck with " Luna = Bad " and he's been going with it, and it helped him from having to contribute to other discussion. He's EoD1 is pretty interesting, and it's what I'm talking about. He was willing to vote only me and Luna. He allegedly didn't like Mac's lynch, but wasn't willing to compromise to save him. It can be seen as a baddie that got two flashy, developed fake reads (me and Luna) and he's sticking to them lol. You know, to prevent any inconsistencies. His change of read on DDL was an interesting bit as well. Not sure I agree with his assessments of DDL's behavior, and I cannot fathom how he "understood" DDL's logic.

All this to say, I think INH is a lynch I can get behind. I can vibe with an Enrique one, since I'm fairly neutral on him. I wouldn't vote DH over these two.

If I put my tinfoil hat on, I lynch MacDougall lol. Sokoth mentioning Lapluie's absence was weird. Teammate alert. *takes tinfoil hat off*

This is a nice combination of reductive misinterpretations and "I disagree with this player's opinion, therefore it is shady."

I've gone after multiple players over the course of this game, including you, Luna, and DDL. I'm sorry if that's a small pool of suspects compared to how you play the game, but it's harder and generally takes longer for me to formulate suspects. A lot of this is the patented Nova NO U, where if you interact with him in a way where you disagree with him, he'll try and find a way to use to it to make you look bad. I agreed with Golden's case against him, therefore I'm cowardly "shadowing Golden's read." I didn't want to switch from Luna to SQ, as Nova tried to push me to do, at the end of Day 1, therefore I simply wasn't "willing to compromise to save [Mac]." I have a different read on DDL, and Nova simply "cannot fathom" my thinking. Me strongly pushing suspects that Nova disagrees with is me acting "like a robot." Having consistent suspects which don't change over the course of two days is just helping me "from having to contribute to other discussion." "INH has consistent reads because baddies want to have consistent reads in order to fool the town! Real civs constantly change their reads, y'know, like I do." This shit is just silly.

It's like after getting some town cred after SQ's lynch, Nova's using it to spite and smite anyone who doubted him.

Yes, I admit that Nova does look better after D2, and it's hard for me to justify having him in my pool of suspects, but these blatant smear tactics are enough to keep him from being a town read for me for the forseeable future.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:29 am This is the requisite mea culpa/self-flagellation about SQ.

There are, to my mind, three reasons why I was resistant to suspect SQ.

1. Lack of familiarity with his gameplay. This was the first game I've been in with him in years. I simply didn't know what to expect, and my instincts were led astray.

2. For the past couple years or so, SQ, Daisy, DH, and I have regularly played together in a Star Trek chatroom game, where SQ plays our captain. I was so used to seeing him in that role, and his posts here highly resembled how he usually posts in that game, and I kinda comfortably conflated the two. Like, SQ's acting like his honorable captain dude in the Star Trek sim, therefore he's probably civilian.

3. He was on the Serenity. After the loss of Mac, (and even before) I wanted to protect my team as much as possible, because it seemed like people were hammering away at it, and our chances of winning missions seemed lower and lower as things progressed. I think that there's an impulse to townread members of your crew in this game. I fell prey to it. I'm a little worried that Golden is falling prey to it right now.

So yeah, I ballsed up. However, I think I had reasonable reasons for doing so.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:03 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:09 am As of now, I don't expect anything from you regarding this. I accepted your meta and alignment claim. I moved on.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:31 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:06 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:59 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:29 am This is the requisite mea culpa/self-flagellation about SQ.

There are, to my mind, three reasons why I was resistant to suspect SQ.

1. Lack of familiarity with his gameplay. This was the first game I've been in with him in years. I simply didn't know what to expect, and my instincts were led astray.

2. For the past couple years or so, SQ, Daisy, DH, and I have regularly played together in a Star Trek chatroom game, where SQ plays our captain. I was so used to seeing him in that role, and his posts here highly resembled how he usually posts in that game, and I kinda comfortably conflated the two. Like, SQ's acting like his honorable captain dude in the Star Trek sim, therefore he's probably civilian.

3. He was on the Serenity. After the loss of Mac, (and even before) I wanted to protect my team as much as possible, because it seemed like people were hammering away at it, and our chances of winning missions seemed lower and lower as things progressed. I think that there's an impulse to townread members of your crew in this game. I fell prey to it. I'm a little worried that Golden is falling prey to it right now.

So yeah, I ballsed up. However, I think I had reasonable reasons for doing so.

I wholeheartedly endorse points 1 and 2 of this post.

We miss Corky!

Corky was a bit afraid that everyone would’ve forgotten him and that he wouldn’t fit in anymore...

We still have him on the roster, waiting for his return. There will always be a spot waiting for you to come back and play when ever you are ready!

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:03 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:09 am As of now, I don't expect anything from you regarding this. I accepted your meta and alignment claim. I moved on.

Spoiler: show

You ok there?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:15 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:03 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:09 am As of now, I don't expect anything from you regarding this. I accepted your meta and alignment claim. I moved on.

Spoiler: show

You ok there?

Surprised, but glad to see you come around.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:23 pm What if there's no bad guys on the poll

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:10 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:01 pm You putting Glorf on isn’t the same as TH putting himself on. The risk for him is far greater than it is for you.

PS, btw...

Why is "risking yourself" a town move if you're town?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:36 pm

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:36 am I've been looking through DDL's Iso since I've seen a few that are hedging their bets on that train.

The only thing that stands out is there is a lack of real substance. Like they seem all over the place, helping one moment, defending in another. And rarely really lashing out at anyone accept maybe a couple of times. I'm curious if you guys have more information on why DDL is the focus of your attention. Maybe I'm missing something. Anyone else see anything substantial on DDL that hasn't been pointed out yet?

Does this or does this not (read the whole thing and then reread the large part) look like SokothQultuq is fishing for some kind of information role who may have pegged his teammate, DDL?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:20 pm Guys I have a compelling argument.

I'm not bad.

That is all.

That is neither compelling, nor is it an argument.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:21 pm Hm... this is an easy lynch.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:21 pm Hm... this is an easy lynch.

You're not doing anything to make it harder.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:21 pm Hm... this is an easy lynch.

You're not doing anything to make it harder.

I don't think there's anything I can do at this point. My fate is sealed.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:21 pm Hm... this is an easy lynch.

You're not doing anything to make it harder.

I don't think there's anything I can do at this point. My fate is sealed.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:59 pm You sound like a Looney Toon

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:42 pm Golden, what is the basis of your suspicion of Turnip Head, and how much does it have to do with you becoming a captain, and how much of it has to do with novaselinever, and how much of it has to do with Sokoth?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:41 pm That's not what I meant