The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 10:21 pm Well shit.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 10:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 10:21 pm Well shit.

vat

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 10:43 pm Ok who didn't vote for marmot ur bad.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 10:46 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 10:43 pm Ok who didn't vote for marmot ur bad.

I mean, there are only 2 left so I dunno about that...

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 7:29 pm I’m going to switch to [VOTE: MARMOT] aubergine for the time being. Eloh reacting so differently in this game has me rethinking things.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:09 pm I'm voting to save myself because I am civ. I rarely see marmot as bad, but there is more of a chance that he is bad because I am civ.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:24 pm I felt very solid on Eloh for a lynch today but the more I think about it, there’s a big key difference between her U-Pick scumming and here. She tried a gambit there to get away from the lynch and here she just ... hasn’t tried anything.

Hmmm.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:21 pm I'm switching to Elo for now to make sure these wagons are competitive.

[VOTE: ELOHCIN] aubergine

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:30 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:28 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:20 pm Quin, why are you town reading Elo and Marmot?

clean slate. i have no read on marmot anymore.

Yeah, I'm doing the same. Despite flipping on both of them throughout the game, in looking through their ISOs, I'm realizing that neither of one of them looks particularly great by any means.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:31 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:28 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 12:00 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

This is still my preference. I have more active suspicion of him than I do of Elohcin.

Can you explain your thoughts regarding both of them, like if they are each alignment? I'm just curious what all you are considering in your assessments for each.

Marmot inherited Mac, and I didn't care for Mac on Day 1. He received suspicion and did nothing more than laugh at it, and then Choutas said that "Mac is right in the role" thing which continues to show itself brightly when I review this game. Marmot himself is generally off-meta, has given considerable focus to his suspicion of you (which, despite his considerable effort, I still don't understand with clarity), and his Choutas vote was crappy at face value. On the other hand, I can respect the effort he has given, and it's easier to believe he is trying to solve the game than some others in the poll. That can only go so far, but it's something.

The best thing I can say for Elohcin is that she didn't capitalize on her opportunity to get me lynched on Day 1. At this point that isn't such a standout thing though, and I have no reason to believe she has a vested interest in solving the game. That may not be so abnormal for her, but I cannot give her a break when my POE pool has become relatively limited with her in it.

I have active suspicion of Marmot. For Elohcin, it's more an absence of good things.

Cool, thanks. We're on similar pages.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:46 pm After reading Elo's ISO and quickly skimming Marmot's ISO, I think I'd rather lynch Elo than Marmot, but it's a tough call.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:54 pm If Elo and Marmot are both scum, that'd be amazing.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:56 pm Actually, I'd maybe even bump Marmot up to yellow instead of red on my PoE rainbow after digging into the ISO some more. Some of it does seem like sincere hunting.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:56 pm Y'all should give me a four-name POE pool.

Hmmmm...

Charlie Epignosis
ColinIsCool
Elohcin
Marmot

I could swap in you for Marmot at this stage; I feel relatively similarly about you both.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 12:59 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:24 pm I felt very solid on Eloh for a lynch today but the more I think about it, there’s a big key difference between her U-Pick scumming and here. She tried a gambit there to get away from the lynch and here she just ... hasn’t tried anything.

Hmmm.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 1:26 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 12:59 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:24 pm I felt very solid on Eloh for a lynch today but the more I think about it, there’s a big key difference between her U-Pick scumming and here. She tried a gambit there to get away from the lynch and here she just ... hasn’t tried anything.

Hmmm.

I’ve already responded to this quote and I don’t remember you giving me any reasonable response.

Does this game being [mostly] open change your mindset if that one was closed? It’s an entirely different scenario, it’s like hiring this mariachi band to your wedding because you thought they were wonderful that one time you were drunk in Cozumel. It’s not the same.

Anyway, it doesn’t matter now, since she’s dead and civ. But your reasoning there sounds...uh...fabricated? Yea, that’s the word.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:12 pm lmao i have an hour to make a decision between two civ reads hahahaha fuck

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:26 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:32 pm well, at least that was a quick catch up. I agree this game is less serious than usual at the moment. There are a lot of votes being thrown around. I personally like votes that are not changeable only because it forces players to think more about who they are voting for. There are no "pressure votes" and what not. As of right now, I can see why JJJ has the most votes (even though it's only 2). His excuses for not carrying the thread don't feel genuine. He is participating enough in another game he is in. I may vote that way but first I would like to hear from others more. I don't like to just throw votes around. Who here is born again?

Dislike her reason for suspecting 3J here. Her phrasing around expecting him to carry the thread is what doesn't feel genuine. Does Eloh like to throw votes around? I can't remember. Someone find out for me.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:45 am Good job guys! As I was reading through what was going on, I would have changed to Chou if I were here EoD. But alas, I was hanging out with the family.

I will try to be more active. My heart's just not in it.

She never mentioned choutas or backed up this claim in any way. Meh.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 8:34 am That lynch really stank. I wasn't around for EoD and If my life wasn't threatened, I could have been convinced to vote elsewhere.

No elaboration.

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Elohcin is a rabbit wearing a sexy human costume. Orange.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:28 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:20 pm Quin, why are you town reading Elo and Marmot?

clean slate. i have no read on marmot anymore.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:36 pm Looked at Mac real quick.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 3:18 am What was that, 2 or 3 years ago? To say my play is shit when looking at the very last game we played together is funny.

Anway it's interesting that when I said I had your number you assumed I meant as a civ hunting rather than just generally.

Also I was just having some fun waiting to replace out. Marmot is stepping in for me. Enjoy.

Context: The last time 3J correctly scum-read Mac. It was RoT3K.

Scum read. Since RoT3K I'm pretty sure Ass Class has been his only scum games. I'll acknowledge the pretty large gap between the two games but it still has "historical value". Or something.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 9:06 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 7:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 7:07 pm Marmot - I still don't like your infamous vote, and the words that came with it. I don't like that you ask why the timing of it is suspicious, when that's been discussed already.

I don't know how much more we can gain from discussing this, so I'm ready to move on to other things.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 7:07 pmI'm uneasy of your active and involved play style (even though I really like it) cause I haven't seen it that much when you're town before. Although I remember you as pretty involved (and wanting to keeel me) in Phenon way back. I also think you're a good talker in general, so I have my smart ass filter on when reading you. : p

Lol, thanks!

I just finished playing Ancient Greece and Assassination Classroom, which both ended a week ago. I played with some fervor in Ancient Greece, and played pretty sparingly in Ass Class. I was town in both games, and mafia won both games. But if you want an example of me as active town, that Ancient Greece game is one that just happened. I've also already explained why my activity is up in this game. I'm not even using it as a reason to civ-read me, just explaining my activity.

If you find my content itself suspicious or don't believe my reasons, fine. But I want to ease the paranoia so you'll at least look at what I'm saying instead of letting that uneasy feeling sit around and dictate your read of me.

And I'm talking to the thread as a whole here, not just you.

Genuine.

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I can't understand why Marmot has votes. I maintain my read on him.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 9:11 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 9:06 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 7:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 7:07 pm Marmot - I still don't like your infamous vote, and the words that came with it. I don't like that you ask why the timing of it is suspicious, when that's been discussed already.

I don't know how much more we can gain from discussing this, so I'm ready to move on to other things.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 7:07 pmI'm uneasy of your active and involved play style (even though I really like it) cause I haven't seen it that much when you're town before. Although I remember you as pretty involved (and wanting to keeel me) in Phenon way back. I also think you're a good talker in general, so I have my smart ass filter on when reading you. : p

Lol, thanks!

I just finished playing Ancient Greece and Assassination Classroom, which both ended a week ago. I played with some fervor in Ancient Greece, and played pretty sparingly in Ass Class. I was town in both games, and mafia won both games. But if you want an example of me as active town, that Ancient Greece game is one that just happened. I've also already explained why my activity is up in this game. I'm not even using it as a reason to civ-read me, just explaining my activity.

If you find my content itself suspicious or don't believe my reasons, fine. But I want to ease the paranoia so you'll at least look at what I'm saying instead of letting that uneasy feeling sit around and dictate your read of me.

And I'm talking to the thread as a whole here, not just you.

Genuine.

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I can't understand why Marmot has votes. I maintain my read on him.

fuck me i posted one quote and lost the rest accidentally

marmot is town guys

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 12:32 am I feel like ima die guys

Quin wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 2:35 am kay im not gonna break that up so just pretend my response is well organised and nod approvingly

The two civs reads were referring to my GTH list earlier. When I say I want a clean slate, such a thing obviously doesn't exist. I had those reads for a reason. The idea is that I take a step back and reform my opinions with something that's not spur of the moment. So while I say they're good, those are reads I no longer care about preserving.
Fair enough. It just seemed odd to use the term clean slate with Elo and no read with marmot. It seemed odd in the sequence that you had the top 2 vote-getters as civ reads in your GTH, and after a little perusal, had no reads. That was the main point I was making there.
I had beef with that one post of Mac's. Marmot looks very good on his own power. And I did complete the whole ISO. I had three tabs open at a time, the main ISO, a quote and the opened quote where I wrote my thoughts. In the end I must've posted the third tab and closed to one I was working on. Case in point he's exhibiting a strong civilian effort.
would you disregard Mac as a factor in reading Marmot? If the pope kicked a homeless man in the face before becoming pope, would you just shrug? That’s a bit extreme, but you get my gist.
I talked about the choutas vote in the lost content. He was pushing lapluie as bad before moving his vote which shows he actually gives a damn about making a difference. I have no problems with someone like that moving off their wagon at the last minute.
I mean ok. There’s no way to really know that since it got cut off. If he was pushing lap as bad, why not keep his vote there? Choutas was already at 4 votes and when he and Mp switched it was just insurance. It felt to me like he wanted to get a slight edge, but if you don’t see it, I can’t make you see it. I could be harping on something that may not be suspicious to everyone.
When I talk about genuinity, I'm talking about a performance that shows a genuine desire to solve the game. I've already made this whole "scum can be genuine too" argument in another game. I know how it works.
Please don't pretend WIFOM from Marmot is something new.
Im not pretending WIFOMarmot is new. That’s his bread and butter and I’m saying we shouldn’t ignore it because that is a gambit I’ve seen him use before as mafia.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 2:06 am

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 12:32 am I feel like ima die guys

Nah it’s prolly me but thanks for playing

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 3:06 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 2:35 am kay im not gonna break that up so just pretend my response is well organised and nod approvingly

The two civs reads were referring to my GTH list earlier. When I say I want a clean slate, such a thing obviously doesn't exist. I had those reads for a reason. The idea is that I take a step back and reform my opinions with something that's not spur of the moment. So while I say they're good, those are reads I no longer care about preserving.
Fair enough. It just seemed odd to use the term clean slate with Elo and no read with marmot. It seemed odd in the sequence that you had the top 2 vote-getters as civ reads in your GTH, and after a little perusal, had no reads. That was the main point I was making there.
I had beef with that one post of Mac's. Marmot looks very good on his own power. And I did complete the whole ISO. I had three tabs open at a time, the main ISO, a quote and the opened quote where I wrote my thoughts. In the end I must've posted the third tab and closed to one I was working on. Case in point he's exhibiting a strong civilian effort.
would you disregard Mac as a factor in reading Marmot? If the pope kicked a homeless man in the face before becoming pope, would you just shrug? That’s a bit extreme, but you get my gist.
I talked about the choutas vote in the lost content. He was pushing lapluie as bad before moving his vote which shows he actually gives a damn about making a difference. I have no problems with someone like that moving off their wagon at the last minute.
I mean ok. There’s no way to really know that since it got cut off. If he was pushing lap as bad, why not keep his vote there? Choutas was already at 4 votes and when he and Mp switched it was just insurance. It felt to me like he wanted to get a slight edge, but if you don’t see it, I can’t make you see it. I could be harping on something that may not be suspicious to everyone.
When I talk about genuinity, I'm talking about a performance that shows a genuine desire to solve the game. I've already made this whole "scum can be genuine too" argument in another game. I know how it works.
Please don't pretend WIFOM from Marmot is something new.
Im not pretending WIFOMarmot is new. That’s his bread and butter and I’m saying we shouldn’t ignore it because that is a gambit I’ve seen him use before as mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 10:23 pm The game just got considerably more difficult. I'll have to revisit everything I can during the night phase. It's unfortunate that I am in such a poor position to do that, but I will try.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 10:15 pm On to finding the scum on Eloh's wagon then. It's not Dizzy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 9:00 pmWhat's your beef with nutella? I acknowledge that she is getting credit for relatively small things and am listening.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 6:49 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 10:15 pm On to finding the scum on Eloh's wagon then. It's not Dizzy.

If you think Marmot is town, why would scum necessarily be on Eloh's wagon? I've been thinking about this. So if Marmot is town, I don't think there would be much incentive for scum to mislynch Eloh over Marmot, quite the opposite. Eloh was not doing much or putting in much effort and not a hard mislynch (and unlikely to be in the future) imo. If Marmot is town, that is a more active presence and a "better mislynch" from a scum perspective. Obviously scum would want to vote either if their both town and it would depend on how they've already expressed suspicion. That said, I still think there's good chances Marmot is scum, in which case I'd say it's highly likely there's scum on Eloh's wagon. I guess I'm just wondering if you think there has to be scum on the wagon, or more so was thinking of doing voting analysis on the wagon to see if anything sticks out?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 7:22 am Alright, Quin. We definitely have different takes on things lol. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'll be catchin up for real and read through Marmot later tonight before day comes.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 6:49 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 10:15 pm On to finding the scum on Eloh's wagon then. It's not Dizzy.

If you think Marmot is town, why would scum necessarily be on Eloh's wagon? I've been thinking about this. So if Marmot is town, I don't think there would be much incentive for scum to mislynch Eloh over Marmot, quite the opposite. Eloh was not doing much or putting in much effort and not a hard mislynch (and unlikely to be in the future) imo. If Marmot is town, that is a more active presence and a "better mislynch" from a scum perspective. Obviously scum would want to vote either if their both town and it would depend on how they've already expressed suspicion. That said, I still think there's good chances Marmot is scum, in which case I'd say it's highly likely there's scum on Eloh's wagon. I guess I'm just wondering if you think there has to be scum on the wagon, or more so was thinking of doing voting analysis on the wagon to see if anything sticks out?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 2:03 am All of Colin, Marmot, Mp and Quin can’t be bad, so this is slightly frustrating.

I think we should just lynch colin tomorrow and run from there. @nutella @M Plus 7

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 6:43 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 10:23 pm The game just got considerably more difficult. I'll have to revisit everything I can during the night phase. It's unfortunate that I am in such a poor position to do that, but I will try.

That's a losing attitude. Which you don't do.

Also, how come the game became so considerably more difficult? Were you that convinced Eloh would flip scum? Does it radically change your views? Tell me what's going on.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 6:43 am Jimmeey has been on a different planet since mid day 3. Just sayin.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 6:40 am Not all that surprised about the flip tbh

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 9:13 pm [VOTE: Eloh] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 9:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 9:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 9:09 pm I think one of the Marmot voters should move to Elohcin. There's a *secrets* there in the mafia roles, and I hate shenanigans. Let's avoid them.

@Dyslexicon

Alright. Marmot, you must be keeled next.

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 10:22 am First, that was as disappointing as hitting what should be a home run in Wrigley Field and the wind blows in and makes it a long fly out.

Second, I keep seeing my name pop up as a candidate for being cut from the team, but what I'm not seeing is any reason why that should happen. The only thing I'm seeing are demands from people that I "do more." Aside from the fact that people making demands of me is never going to accomplish anything, I realize that even though it's been five years, nobody has my annual schedule memorized, so I don't mind making an annual reiteration that May-June is by far the busiest time of the year for me (assuming we don't make the playoffs, that is). So, as I said before, you'll get my color commentary when you get it. If you have a problem with that, I don't know what to tell you: I hear there's a stump not far from here that isn't saying anything either, but that's just how it is right now.

Third, I'm sure JJJ will have words for what I'm about to say, but I don't think the "elimination" method is going to work well against this pitcher. It's easy enough to fake "doing things" to get your name off those lists. What's also easy is- if you are bad and off the consensus list- confirming the consensus, and before you know it, the side is retired and the game is over. Home team loses.

Fourth, I suspect Dyslexicon for the taunt. You don't taunt players on your own team. You encourage them, even if they are in a slump. I believe Dyslexicon fits into what I said above, about looking busy and confirming the consensus. Being smug isn't a good character trait, especially when you have no reason to be smug.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 6:40 am Not all that surprised about the flip tbh

Oh?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 9:13 pm [VOTE: Eloh] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 9:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 9:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 9:09 pm I think one of the Marmot voters should move to Elohcin. There's a *secrets* there in the mafia roles, and I hate shenanigans. Let's avoid them.

@Dyslexicon

Alright. Marmot, you must be keeled next.

I get the impression Dyslexicon is working to stay ahead in the count her[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention]

I'm not smug, I'm annoyed. You don't need me to hold your hand and blow kisses at you to try solve the game. So far I've seen you vote me day 1 and not given a reason why. Made an argument against Wolbre I struggled to understand. And vote Eloh without an explanation from what I can remember. Nothing of this makes me think town for your alignment. I don't know whether you are or not, but if you expect people to just magically know your alignment in the case you're town from this game, then I don't know what to tell you. And I'm annoyed because IF you are town you're making yourself an easy target as well as not doing much to game solve. Don't come for me for this. Shoo!