The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:42 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:41 am Why is ender/rondo/mr voting me? I’m not back reading right niw

sheeping me after I agreed with ted

That’s fair I guess

Lazy, but fair

I moved to Syn.

I agree with Mac, that 2 page Iso is fluff and NAI interaction with KZA and Ender

A Syn blasting would provide juice on Ender and Tutuu

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:39 am Logic and rational thinking in a game of numbers is the correct way to play.

Emotional tact can be quantified and rationalized.

You nerds are arguing the same shit.

The influence of ate is the argument. Alison for instance refuses to let emotional behaviours from the recipient of her read affect how she appraises their play and has the highest winrate. We have a similar mindset towards other facets of the game but I will judge emotion one way or the other and she doesn't. I tend to get fooled by it, she doesn't allow herself to be. So from that perspective she would make the argument that it's better to simply ignore it entirely and she would have a strong case.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:42 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:41 am Why is ender/rondo/mr voting me? I’m not back reading right niw

sheeping me after I agreed with ted

That’s fair I guess

Lazy, but fair

Of course my mom also told me as a kid that those ear candling things were real life hacks, and come to find out doing my own research that it’s an utter scam so

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:44 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:39 am Logic and rational thinking in a game of numbers is the correct way to play.

Emotional tact can be quantified and rationalized.

You nerds are arguing the same shit.

The influence of ate is the argument. Alison for instance refuses to let emotional behaviours from the recipient of her read affect how she appraises their play and has the highest winrate. We have a similar mindset towards other facets of the game but I will judge emotion one way or the other and she doesn't. I tend to get fooled by it, she doesn't allow herself to be. So from that perspective she would make the argument that it's better to simply ignore it entirely and she would have a strong case.

Strong case, yes, but truly optimized play can rationalize ethos as well as logos. Perhaps you just aren't there yet?

Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 am Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.

she couldn’t have been serious

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 am Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.

she couldn’t have been serious

I didn’t see it as a joke

Interesting that in a Syn/Scotty lead, Urist and Scotty hopped on the Spinning Anime girl.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:44 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:39 am Logic and rational thinking in a game of numbers is the correct way to play.

Emotional tact can be quantified and rationalized.

You nerds are arguing the same shit.

The influence of ate is the argument. Alison for instance refuses to let emotional behaviours from the recipient of her read affect how she appraises their play and has the highest winrate. We have a similar mindset towards other facets of the game but I will judge emotion one way or the other and she doesn't. I tend to get fooled by it, she doesn't allow herself to be. So from that perspective she would make the argument that it's better to simply ignore it entirely and she would have a strong case.

Strong case, yes, but truly optimized play can rationalize ethos as well as logos. Perhaps you just aren't there yet?

Well I mean... I do play that was as I've said. And my winrate since 2019 is very high. But it's not really an argument of that. It's an argument of emotion only vs. logic only lol and I think if you pick one in this game you pick reading the game without letting emotion influence your reads vs. emotion only if you want to pick between the two. I agree that it's far better to view emotion as another facet of play that can be read logically.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:49 am Interesting that in a Syn/Scotty lead, Urist and Scotty hopped on the Spinning Anime girl.

Are you currently suspicious of me? Because this seems to imply it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 am Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.

oh yes, i wasnt being literal

if u'd like to "logicify" my read on scotty, i would put it like that

"i dont believe that scotty is capable of faking that level of purity as a wolf, i believe that it is hard to do generally, and he himself doesn't feel like a cold blooded liar. he did some hiccups in his reasonings, well a lot, to the point where i feel like he's just town, for i think it is unlikely that a wolf does that many, for i believe that villagers are more hotheaded and can lose their path a lil bit, while mafia i believe tend to be more grounded and retain he ability to sound more agreeable"

but this is really long to type out and it tires me, so i prefer to just say "emotion"

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:49 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:44 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:39 am Logic and rational thinking in a game of numbers is the correct way to play.

Emotional tact can be quantified and rationalized.

You nerds are arguing the same shit.

The influence of ate is the argument. Alison for instance refuses to let emotional behaviours from the recipient of her read affect how she appraises their play and has the highest winrate. We have a similar mindset towards other facets of the game but I will judge emotion one way or the other and she doesn't. I tend to get fooled by it, she doesn't allow herself to be. So from that perspective she would make the argument that it's better to simply ignore it entirely and she would have a strong case.

Strong case, yes, but truly optimized play can rationalize ethos as well as logos. Perhaps you just aren't there yet?

Well I mean... I do play that was as I've said. And my winrate since 2019 is very high. But it's not really an argument of that. It's an argument of emotion only vs. logic only lol and I think if you pick one in this game you pick reading the game without letting emotion influence your reads vs. emotion only if you want to pick between the two. I agree that it's far better to view emotion as another facet of play that can be read logically.

I use primarily logic, and most of my wins are from someone else carrying me using a mixture of both, or luck, or crystal gazing.

My problem is that my logic isn’t always optimal or sensible. But I believe in the process

I tend to only read emotion when it comes from players that I have yet to see evidence can weaponise it as mafia. Once they do it once then it might as well not be a thing. Though I'd be lying if I said it didn't move me still.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:49 am Interesting that in a Syn/Scotty lead, Urist and Scotty hopped on the Spinning Anime girl.

I am not spinning.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:50 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:49 am Interesting that in a Syn/Scotty lead, Urist and Scotty hopped on the Spinning Anime girl.

Are you currently suspicious of me? Because this seems to imply it.

Not really, but I trust Mac. I want to believe that at least 1 of the lead wagons is correct though. I think it's Syn and not you ATM, but I am also aware of my 0.01% wr.

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:52 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:49 am Interesting that in a Syn/Scotty lead, Urist and Scotty hopped on the Spinning Anime girl.

I am not spinning.

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:52 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:49 am Interesting that in a Syn/Scotty lead, Urist and Scotty hopped on the Spinning Anime girl.

I am not spinning.

You're the drinking anime girl.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 am Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.

oh yes, i wasnt being literal

if u'd like to "logicify" my read on scotty, i would put it like that

"i dont believe that scotty is capable of faking that level of purity as a wolf, i believe that it is hard to do generally, and he himself doesn't feel like a cold blooded liar. he did some hiccups in his reasonings, well a lot, to the point where i feel like he's just town, for i think it is unlikely that a wolf does that many, for i believe that villagers are more hotheaded and can lose their path a lil bit, while mafia i believe tend to be more grounded and retain he ability to sound more agreeable"

but this is really long to type out and it tires me, so i prefer to just say "emotion"

If I were “caught” as a wolf, I would feel equally as slighted and would actually use AtE to my advantage (maybe) knowing that you use that as a sleuthing mechanism. That’s where the logica manipulation comes from

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:55 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 am Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.

oh yes, i wasnt being literal

if u'd like to "logicify" my read on scotty, i would put it like that

"i dont believe that scotty is capable of faking that level of purity as a wolf, i believe that it is hard to do generally, and he himself doesn't feel like a cold blooded liar. he did some hiccups in his reasonings, well a lot, to the point where i feel like he's just town, for i think it is unlikely that a wolf does that many, for i believe that villagers are more hotheaded and can lose their path a lil bit, while mafia i believe tend to be more grounded and retain he ability to sound more agreeable"

but this is really long to type out and it tires me, so i prefer to just say "emotion"

If I were “caught” as a wolf, I would feel equally as slighted and would actually use AtE to my advantage (maybe) knowing that you use that as a sleuthing mechanism. That’s where the logica manipulation comes from

if that were the case im hoping that i'd be able to identify liars using my sense of empathy

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:51 am I tend to only read emotion when it comes from players that I have yet to see evidence can weaponise it as mafia. Once they do it once then it might as well not be a thing. Though I'd be lying if I said it didn't move me still.

I’ll remember this for future games

Yeah so Scotty basically explained right there why it's ever a bad idea to townread ate. It's so easy to win games as mafia when all you have to do is get genuinely upset by being caught in a game in which it's upsetting to be caught.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:56 am Yeah so Scotty basically explained right there why it's ever a bad idea to townread ate. It's so easy to win games as mafia when all you have to do is get genuinely upset by being caught in a game in which it's upsetting to be caught.

maybe i just can't imagine being upsetting to be caught as mafia. it feels to me like a bizzare thing to feel

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:56 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:55 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 am Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.

oh yes, i wasnt being literal

if u'd like to "logicify" my read on scotty, i would put it like that

"i dont believe that scotty is capable of faking that level of purity as a wolf, i believe that it is hard to do generally, and he himself doesn't feel like a cold blooded liar. he did some hiccups in his reasonings, well a lot, to the point where i feel like he's just town, for i think it is unlikely that a wolf does that many, for i believe that villagers are more hotheaded and can lose their path a lil bit, while mafia i believe tend to be more grounded and retain he ability to sound more agreeable"

but this is really long to type out and it tires me, so i prefer to just say "emotion"

If I were “caught” as a wolf, I would feel equally as slighted and would actually use AtE to my advantage (maybe) knowing that you use that as a sleuthing mechanism. That’s where the logica manipulation comes from

if that were the case im hoping that i'd be able to identify liars using my sense of empathy

But wolves can have ATE and not be lying. That's the problem lol.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:56 am Yeah so Scotty basically explained right there why it's ever a bad idea to townread ate. It's so easy to win games as mafia when all you have to do is get genuinely upset by being caught in a game in which it's upsetting to be caught.

maybe i just can't imagine being upsetting to be caught as mafia. it feels to me like a bizzare thing to feel

Being mafia and getting caught by good town play is upsetting the same way losing any sport is upsetting. You should be gracious in post but in our sport you get to channel your inner spoiled brat before that to try to get out of it.

Being mafia and getting caught by wrong reasons or dogshit town play is upsetting because it's not fair.

Either way it's not something wolves need to fake. And if they don't genuinely feel it should probably not ever actually try to fake.

k then lets see

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

omgus + testing out yall logical ways + self-pres

for the record i townread him

whenever someone gets chopped imma imagine they get exiled to play in mafia.gg for the rest of their lives

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

Self preservation

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:03 am k then lets see

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

omgus + testing out yall logical ways + self-pres

for the record i townread him

Why not vote Syn? Do you townread him too?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:11 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:03 am k then lets see

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

omgus + testing out yall logical ways + self-pres

for the record i townread him

Why not vote Syn? Do you townread him too?

no i dont care

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

Aight well I did my best fam. It's late at night now and EOD is 6am so I won't be here. I trust you'll all give it a red hot shake.

I haven't really changed my reads all that much. Urist got a lot townier. Scotty maybe trended slightly up to the point where I'd maybe prefer Syn go over. I guess I've no choice but to sheep Urist on Axe. Tutuu trended a fair bit down for me mostly because of Urist's appraisal of her and if Urist/Axe are town then that's a pretty strong argument against her.

Unless you have a role that really needs a claim because you can do something strictly pro town in the night at the same time as dying just die with your claims please. If anyone tries to live claiming anything insubstantial just kill them.

Night.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:25 am when have mafia ever seen a confirm and been like oh yay a confirm?

Soup kill legit read first post claiming has consequences.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:37 am

sig wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:26 pm [VOTE: sig] aubergine

Hi sig

The order of these emojis…is off. This string of emojis seem..off

I'm ponder his vote, hiding, giving him the eye of hmm then making a face seems about right.

psych I'm still here sig ... have you been hiding in scum chat this whole time waiting for me to leave you baby?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:14 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:53 pm I'm literally just here to say Mac that was a dumb move to make

NOBODY ELSE CLAIM

there is obviously some sort of soup role given what Jay said in the rules like seriously. We gonna have a repeat of last game where mafia soups everyone and wins.

explain soup, is it delicious?

I'm assuming this is a serious question. Soup kill is basically mafia sends in the name and correlating role/flavor (host dependent) of x number of players. Every player they get right immediately dies. IT varies how many times mafia can use it, but when the host mentioned claiming has consequences that makes the most sense.

hi guys. I've read literally none of the game. Can someone catch me up a bit?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:55 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:53 pm I'm literally just here to say Mac that was a dumb move to make

NOBODY ELSE CLAIM

there is obviously some sort of soup role given what Jay said in the rules like seriously. We gonna have a repeat of last game where mafia soups everyone and wins.

What's up sig?

Anything worth me commenting on?

Hey,

besides that people shouldn't claim, nope.

I'll be reading up on the thread this weekend and will have more thoughts then.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:35 am hi guys. I've read literally none of the game. Can someone catch me up a bit?

I am a mod confirmed inno child. I did it for the kek. Iso me for the purified truncated catch up. I've basically camped most of the game. Have a POE and reads and shit. If you're town it's probably good to start there. If mafia you can just sheep whichever of my reads is wrong. If all of them then happy days for you.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

bye

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:35 am hi guys. I've read literally none of the game. Can someone catch me up a bit?

sup sup

mac is mod revealed innocent child, no other mech stuff as of yet

other than that, i dunno, just some random reads thrown about, a lot of people being inactive, i think thats about it, at least how i perceive the game, maybe someone can say something better :P

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:38 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:33 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:07 pm

Ruri wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:51 am Skimmed here and there. Didn't know Mac was a fellow Scorpio.

Tutuu has good posts. Upon checking Mac's posts, I'm not sure about him yet. Syn seems to be...underwhelming. Made had some sus posts, so I'll ISO that.

what about now?

*strikes a pose*

What are Tutuu's good posts @Ruri?

Oh yeah. It was this. I'm not sure why but the this one had me pinged.

This is obvious mafia.

I feel like I'm a lyric in Wynona's Big Brown Beaver, tho I know not which.


Hold up! 40 pages of Maf ain't shit compared to 40 liter of vodka.

All of my mafia reads are voting syn

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:37 am @NotAnAxehole @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

can I get an updated situation from you two. One word answers are acceptable, two would be great and three is someone asking something unreasonable.

Hm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:41 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:37 am @NotAnAxehole @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

can I get an updated situation from you two. One word answers are acceptable, two would be great and three is someone asking something unreasonable.

Hm

Vote scotty, if Scotty is mafia we can say the game was won at rand, I don't think it's impossible actually. Syn just town though by vote I think.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:38 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:00 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:58 am

Ruri wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:45 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:40 am I have some work to do, but i am here for a while

Thouoghts on Mac?

I think he is town so he has a pass from me until d3. Tinfoils are not allowed until then
If i die meanwhile, please follow this read

I think is mac is town he dies first, most solvy in the game so far, cant leave him up as a wolf. So that slot will resolve itself

This is gross

I'll give Falcon another townread because why not. I don't see anything wrong with his short iso. Seems to be >rand falcon.

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:39 pmI love Falconry

I'm wearing spandex!



So get off my thighs, I have no pockets

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:42 am [VOTE: creature] aubergine

you're not even gonna give me time to get in the thread? rude