The Syndicate

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:41 pm spicy take: LC, Arcbell, and srceenplay are town

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:23 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:36 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:41 pm spicy take: LC, Arcbell, and srceenplay are town

Have you played with Srceenplay before and know enough about him?
Would this be normal town play for him?

If you're saying "No" to the first question, why do you find him town?

I have played a few games with him yes. I don't have enough experience with him to know if this is "normal" town behavior, but I like these posts.

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srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:42 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:02 pm scum because of unecessary effort

FTFY

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:55 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:51 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:49 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:47 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:45 pm what one? the one you agree with or the one you don't?

The one that you're trying to make on me.

you don't see whats wrong with that?

It's wrong and it's basically trying to shut down the attempt to move the game forward, so it's scummy as hell.

where did the game stop at?

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:14 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:58 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:55 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:51 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:49 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:47 pm

The one that you're trying to make on me.

you don't see whats wrong with that?

It's wrong and it's basically trying to shut down the attempt to move the game forward, so it's scummy as hell.

where did the game stop at?

Well everyone else ignored your BS after you disappeared the moment you got attention on yourself.
Then you magically reappear the moment Arcbell and I started talking about you being mafia and now you're here trying to be smart mouth with your answers.

fuck, I magically disappeared again

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:33 pm Maybe let other people chime in then i guess.
I feel like i'm the only one who has given information this game. If that can't be seen

I town read attitude a lot of the time as I find wolves tend to not want to make big waves like that early in the game. Late in the game sure, set up the thunderdomes and what not but at this stage of the game srceen being a wolf and playing like this is basically forcing the other wolf to bus him for cred b/c there's no way he's escaping today yeah?

Srceen is playing super aggro, drawing attention from several players, and then using that attention to drop reads. It's something I've done as town before and something I rarely see wolves do.

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:45 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:43 pm Okay I actually looked up HK's games to see if he ever posts "first" as mafia but I've only seen him do it as town.

Only looked at MafiaU, Deck Mafia site, and SC2 games that he was mafia (Checked his town games on MU as well) and yeah...not really a smoking gun there for him being mafia.

Imagine being a player that always posts first as mafia and never does it as town and then get outed after a single post

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:44 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:23 pm In lieu of an explanation from srceenplay, here's what I think happened:

1. srceenplay jumped into the game without reading the setup description, not realizing there weren't any power roles
2. srceenplay decided they wanted to soft claim PR / informed for whatever reason
3. srceenplay is doubling down on the whole thing, trying to convince us it's a completely natural series of posts, possibly because they think it's scummy to admit they were trying to trick town

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:40 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:33 pm Maybe let other people chime in then i guess.
I feel like i'm the only one who has given information this game. If that can't be seen

Like there are different contexts in which things may be considered 'information'

In the base context absolutely everything is 'information'. Every word you type. This is what you're trying to get us to believe you meant. if it is though, there's no need to remark on it.

Normally people mean setup information when they say it like you did though, which it is proved you have none (if you're town)

And this is what you want to push?

LC or Arcbell scum in one of those two. Can't decide which one is genuine and what one is milking it. Maybe both.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:42 pm god I hate day 1 it's only useful once you're on like day 4

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:41 pm spicy take: LC, Arcbell, and srceenplay are town

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:10 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:44 am @hollowkatt

I did take what you said into account and iso'd Srceenplay again, I do find the portion of "getting attention on himself" there, since it ended up getting me and Arcbell talking to him.
The problem is that I've seen wolves do this type of stuff in games, specifically to me, multiple times.


You did mention he's trying to use it to drop reads but what I'm seeing is-

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srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:47 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:46 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:34 pm @Mizery

If you're here, do you have anything else besides me being town?

no

you can be scum #2

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:44 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:23 pm In lieu of an explanation from srceenplay, here's what I think happened:

1. srceenplay jumped into the game without reading the setup description, not realizing there weren't any power roles
2. srceenplay decided they wanted to soft claim PR / informed for whatever reason
3. srceenplay is doubling down on the whole thing, trying to convince us it's a completely natural series of posts, possibly because they think it's scummy to admit they were trying to trick town

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:40 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:33 pm Maybe let other people chime in then i guess.
I feel like i'm the only one who has given information this game. If that can't be seen

Like there are different contexts in which things may be considered 'information'

In the base context absolutely everything is 'information'. Every word you type. This is what you're trying to get us to believe you meant. if it is though, there's no need to remark on it.

Normally people mean setup information when they say it like you did though, which it is proved you have none (if you're town)

And this is what you want to push?

LC or Arcbell scum in one of those two. Can't decide which one is genuine and what one is milking it. Maybe both.

TLDR: Scumread on Mizery, then 1 wolf between Arcbell and I, which he already started the tunnel on me his first post of the game so no progress there.

There's no townreads in that, there's no real solving in good faith as far as I'm seeing. It's just attacks.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:50 am If I stepped all over you on that post I apologize, however I have a ton of confidence on Srceen being mafia based on past experiences.

I'm leaning you town for the answer, it actually pointed me into several directions to read into Srceen for, I think we just have different viewpoints in this situation.

nbd you didn't step on me. You made a read, I made a different read, you questioned it, I responded, we both learned. I learned you may have a good read on srceen and also learned I may be projecting my own biases on other peoples play.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:00 am no I hate day 1 and dont even want to bother with screen's theatrics idgi and i wont get it by end of day. it will only make sense later (hopefully)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:16 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:10 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:02 pm light reads are LC town because of unecessary effort and falcon mafia because of the dumb dizzy case, but I'm not confident on either of those

Some praise & shade, then finished off with some uncertainty.




Hmmmmm

There are two types of people: the ones who know they can't be certain about mafia reads, especially on day 1, and the ones who are not as great at the game as they think they are.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:01 am

Mizery wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:04 pmI am town.

I think this person is town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:12 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:41 pm spicy take: LC, Arcbell, and srceenplay are town

explain the logic here plz

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:14 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:23 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:36 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:41 pm spicy take: LC, Arcbell, and srceenplay are town

Have you played with Srceenplay before and know enough about him?
Would this be normal town play for him?

If you're saying "No" to the first question, why do you find him town?

I have played a few games with him yes. I don't have enough experience with him to know if this is "normal" town behavior, but I like these posts.

Spoiler: show

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:42 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:02 pm scum because of unecessary effort

FTFY

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:55 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:51 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:49 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:47 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:45 pm what one? the one you agree with or the one you don't?

The one that you're trying to make on me.

you don't see whats wrong with that?

It's wrong and it's basically trying to shut down the attempt to move the game forward, so it's scummy as hell.

where did the game stop at?

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:14 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:58 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:55 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:51 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:49 pm

you don't see whats wrong with that?

It's wrong and it's basically trying to shut down the attempt to move the game forward, so it's scummy as hell.

where did the game stop at?

Well everyone else ignored your BS after you disappeared the moment you got attention on yourself.
Then you magically reappear the moment Arcbell and I started talking about you being mafia and now you're here trying to be smart mouth with your answers.

fuck, I magically disappeared again

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:33 pm Maybe let other people chime in then i guess.
I feel like i'm the only one who has given information this game. If that can't be seen

I town read attitude a lot of the time as I find wolves tend to not want to make big waves like that early in the game. Late in the game sure, set up the thunderdomes and what not but at this stage of the game srceen being a wolf and playing like this is basically forcing the other wolf to bus him for cred b/c there's no way he's escaping today yeah?

Srceen is playing super aggro, drawing attention from several players, and then using that attention to drop reads. It's something I've done as town before and something I rarely see wolves do.

i like this read but I think if LC = town and screenplay = town then arcbell is doing like strictly exactly what mafia would do in that situation (and then falcon sort of sheeped it to a lesser degree).

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:30 amFirst!

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:31 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:30 amFirst!

can confirm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:31 am (also I'm on record saying that "first"ing is a god wolf tactic because the first post is the hardest for wolves to make and "first" is NAI)

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:38 am [VOTE: seanzie ] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:40 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:38 am [VOTE: seanzie ] aubergine

If it helps, I was going to respond to your post with an Abbott and Costello joke, but for the life of me I couldn't get the wording to work out so I gave up.

I get you being mad about the cold-shoulder though, very natural response.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:32 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:31 am (also I'm on record saying that "first"ing is a god wolf tactic because the first post is the hardest for wolves to make and "first" is NAI)

But wouldnt that mean "second" is also the most god post because people will be too busy looking at first to think about second

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:40 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:38 am [VOTE: seanzie ] aubergine

If it helps, I was going to respond to your post with an Abbott and Costello joke, but for the life of me I couldn't get the wording to work out so I gave up.

I get you being mad about the cold-shoulder though, very natural response.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:41 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:32 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:31 am (also I'm on record saying that "first"ing is a god wolf tactic because the first post is the hardest for wolves to make and "first" is NAI)

But wouldnt that mean "second" is also the most god post because people will be too busy looking at first to think about second

Naturally.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:43 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:40 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:38 am [VOTE: seanzie ] aubergine

If it helps, I was going to respond to your post with an Abbott and Costello joke, but for the life of me I couldn't get the wording to work out so I gave up.

I get you being mad about the cold-shoulder though, very natural response.

It was making me cry

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:48 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:43 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:40 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:38 am [VOTE: seanzie ] aubergine

If it helps, I was going to respond to your post with an Abbott and Costello joke, but for the life of me I couldn't get the wording to work out so I gave up.

I get you being mad about the cold-shoulder though, very natural response.

It was making me cry

Aww, if you cry, people are going to accuse us of wolf theatre.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:51 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:48 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:43 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:40 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:38 am [VOTE: seanzie ] aubergine

If it helps, I was going to respond to your post with an Abbott and Costello joke, but for the life of me I couldn't get the wording to work out so I gave up.

I get you being mad about the cold-shoulder though, very natural response.

It was making me cry

Aww, if you cry, people are going to accuse us of wolf theatre.

Ah but then they would know that wolves would know that that is bad threater and will point them out as wolves. So then a wolf wouldnt do that. But then if a wolf wouldnt do that then it is a thing a wolf would do. But if a wolf would do it is it something a wolf player would want to do? If it isnt then shouldnt a wolf player do it?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:54 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:51 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:48 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:43 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:40 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:38 am [VOTE: seanzie ] aubergine

If it helps, I was going to respond to your post with an Abbott and Costello joke, but for the life of me I couldn't get the wording to work out so I gave up.

I get you being mad about the cold-shoulder though, very natural response.

It was making me cry

Aww, if you cry, people are going to accuse us of wolf theatre.

Ah but then they would know that wolves would know that that is bad threater and will point them out as wolves. So then a wolf wouldnt do that. But then if a wolf wouldnt do that then it is a thing a wolf would do. But if a wolf would do it is it something a wolf player would want to do? If it isnt then shouldnt a wolf player do it?

Most people are bad wolves, so the assumption that wolves wouldn't do bad theatre is dubious at best.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:06 am 10 minutes go by and Seanzie is just watching not responding to getting caught

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:09 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:06 am 10 minutes go by and Seanzie is just watching not responding to getting caught

You know I've decided to disengage with you because nothing was coming of our conversation, right?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:12 am I agree with Mac and I'm not overly worried about him being mafia... This is a first.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:11 pm Why does it say aubergine beside the votes? That's not aubergine colored at all..

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:25 am

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:11 pm Why does it say aubergine beside the votes? That's not aubergine colored at all..

This is the funniest thing I've read in a while

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:22 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:14 pm You can tell I revised that post a couple times..

I've done it a few times this game already to make sure what I'm saying makes sense.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:13 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:59 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:51 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:50 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:49 pm Nah, I just require an explanation from you at some point!

If you don't give one I have to assume the truth is bad for you.

If you want you can keep getting brad's thoughts first to read him though.

I don't think he's actually questioned me on anything he just keeps calling me a wolf and saying he won't give much info out.

Nah he's poking you for your thoughts on the matter

Yeah that did happen, but I don't get what he was going to figure out based on that since it's you scumreading the same guy that I'm scumreading...which is him.
Like I don't understand his philosophy at all here if it comes from a town perspective.

If he's town he's probably noted that you're supporting my push on him pretty hard, and that while he's been indicted as a liar and a trickster pretty hard, there isn't actually much in this argument that makes him maf. Town can easily decide to feign n0 informed or whatnot. So he might be wondering why you haven't noticed that or aren't trying harder to determine his alignment.

But this is all pure speculation because again srceenplay's entire thing this game is saying he's giving information while actually giving no information or feedback lol

That's the thing, there's no PRs in this setup so even trying a gambit saying "I'll save info for later" doesn't make any sense here.

What's getting to me is that he's refusing to out any information in a game with 0 PRs. Then when I'm confronting him about his read on me or my scumread on him, his response is just making smart remarks or they're conversation twisting to try to confuse people.
They're not showing attempts to evaluate alignments of anyone. It's more just being disruptive.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:29 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:22 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:14 pm You can tell I revised that post a couple times..

I've done it a few times this game already to make sure what I'm saying makes sense.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:13 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:59 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:51 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:50 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:49 pm Nah, I just require an explanation from you at some point!

If you don't give one I have to assume the truth is bad for you.

If you want you can keep getting brad's thoughts first to read him though.

I don't think he's actually questioned me on anything he just keeps calling me a wolf and saying he won't give much info out.

Nah he's poking you for your thoughts on the matter

Yeah that did happen, but I don't get what he was going to figure out based on that since it's you scumreading the same guy that I'm scumreading...which is him.
Like I don't understand his philosophy at all here if it comes from a town perspective.

If he's town he's probably noted that you're supporting my push on him pretty hard, and that while he's been indicted as a liar and a trickster pretty hard, there isn't actually much in this argument that makes him maf. Town can easily decide to feign n0 informed or whatnot. So he might be wondering why you haven't noticed that or aren't trying harder to determine his alignment.

But this is all pure speculation because again srceenplay's entire thing this game is saying he's giving information while actually giving no information or feedback lol

That's the thing, there's no PRs in this setup so even trying a gambit saying "I'll save info for later" doesn't make any sense here.

What's getting to me is that he's refusing to out any information in a game with 0 PRs. Then when I'm confronting him about his read on me or my scumread on him, his response is just making smart remarks or they're conversation twisting to try to confuse people.
They're not showing attempts to evaluate alignments of anyone. It's more just being disruptive.

There are no PR's, there is no gambit. So why out of all the RVS talk was that what got you going? You felt attacked? Hate the play style? Looking for a reason to vote someone? There is information there that can be used to help sort you.
I think it's the first two reasons for you.
Arcbell I see as looking for a reason to vote someone. They give a narrative (doubtful in any world) why I'm scum. They also explain to you why I could be town. They are having conversations without looking for answers and without questioning or doubting their vote.
[VOTE: Arcbell] aubergine
Now I will miraculously disappear again.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:25 am My reads so far
Above Reproach
Nanook
Dunya
Scotty

Need More Info
Dragon D. Luffy
falcon45ca
Jackofhearts2005
Lime Coke
Mizery
Porscha
Seanzie

Questionable
Arcbell
Dyslexicon
hollowkatt
Lag
MacDougall
NotAnAxehole
RondoDimBuckle
srceenplay

Down Right no good double crossing back stabbing bastards
EnderWiggin

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:12 am I agree with Mac and I'm not overly worried about him being mafia... This is a first.