Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:05 pm
God I can’t remember how to spell her name.
I think it’s like “Eloon”?
I think it’s like “Eloon”?
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
You will note that I never ended up voting for c4. I had concerns about him. I never outright scum read him. I voted for BoKnows. He was town too.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:00 pmthis was my first game with c4 as well (i believe). i agreed with you that he was acting weird, and i actually mentioned at some point on d1 that i was struggling to defend my townread on him when he was playing in such a self-defeating waySloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:55 pmIt was Day 1, c4 is someone I've never met before, and he played weird. I thought he looked very good early on, but his response to pressure was a concern. It made me question my read.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:51 pm this line of reasoning makes sense to me on a certain level, but i would find it more easy to swallow if you didn't carry such an underlying level of confidence that the c4 slot was town up until that point
and the fact that you appear to bre voting me for questioning you about an understandably difficult to believe progression is not doing very much to help me believe that your reads are coming from a pure place
I am voting you because I have been unsure about the validity of this concern, and I never got a comfortable sense that you were town on Day 1.
even so, i felt the emotion that he was giving out in the specific exchange with alison that you're referencing was actually town-indicative - i pointed it out at the exact moment it happened, so you can know that i'm not making up that read to make my suspicion of you more legitimate
from my point of view, d1 progressed like this:
me and you both start out hard townreading c4, who drops a number of strong towntells throughout early d1. as the momentum on c4 increases and he becomes the leading wagon, i continue to townlean c4, and you appear to drop your townlean on c4 for reasons that i struggle to really understand/rationalize. (again, the specific thing that you found suspicious from c4 is the exact thing that i found towny)
after seeing c4 flip town, i immediately come into today being worried about the fact that our reads on c4 had diverged in such a dramatic fashion - especially since you had seemed more certain about c4 being town than i was for a good portion of d1
again, if you are playing from a town mindset, i struggle to understand why my concern about you is something that you're having a hard time grasping. it seems pretty clear to me, even if you feel that your progression on c4 is perfectly justifiable
We are the LC fan club. I'm a part of it because they give me more poison.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:02 pmWho's "we" and why are you part of it?Poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:01 pmSo basically we are town reading LC?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:00 pmSuper close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:57 pmIt felt real to me.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:56 pmI don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:52 pm @Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276
But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec
Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.
But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."
If they are saying "hardtunnel" there must be a sense of tunneling.Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:30 pmi'm not tunneling you wtfstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:29 pmrej can be scum too. i'm just tired of having my read on urist be ignored, especially after he hardtunneled on a town and one of his other hardtunnels (me) was wrong too. i find it difficult to believe that a presumably strong player was 0/2 on d1 than i do to believe that he was just pushing in bad faith like i suspected
I am, yeah.Poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:01 pmSo basically we are town reading LC?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:00 pmSuper close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:57 pmIt felt real to me.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:56 pmI don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:52 pm @Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276
But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec
Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.
But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."
I’ve seen like, tons of TvT Tunnels before.Poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:09 pmIf they are saying "hardtunnel" there must be a sense of tunneling.Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:30 pmi'm not tunneling you wtfstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:29 pmrej can be scum too. i'm just tired of having my read on urist be ignored, especially after he hardtunneled on a town and one of his other hardtunnels (me) was wrong too. i find it difficult to believe that a presumably strong player was 0/2 on d1 than i do to believe that he was just pushing in bad faith like i suspected
Kinda unclear tbh.Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:03 pmbecause of the nicknames?
ChopChop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:03 pmWell he responded to Jack’s post so I think Jack!Scum TMI’s Poison!Scum.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:02 pmWho's "we" and why are you part of it?Poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:01 pmSo basically we are town reading LC?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:00 pmSuper close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:57 pmIt felt real to me.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:56 pmI don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:52 pm @Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276
But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec
Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.
But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."
well, it bothers me because our reads on c4 were so synchronized up until that point - my concern was that your read on c4 fluctuated because you wanted to fit in with the consensus of the thread, which is something i could see scum!sloonei doing but not really see town!sloonei doingSloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:05 pmYou will note that I never ended up voting for c4. I had concerns about him. I never outright scum read him. I voted for BoKnows. He was town too.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:00 pmthis was my first game with c4 as well (i believe). i agreed with you that he was acting weird, and i actually mentioned at some point on d1 that i was struggling to defend my townread on him when he was playing in such a self-defeating waySloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:55 pmIt was Day 1, c4 is someone I've never met before, and he played weird. I thought he looked very good early on, but his response to pressure was a concern. It made me question my read.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:51 pm this line of reasoning makes sense to me on a certain level, but i would find it more easy to swallow if you didn't carry such an underlying level of confidence that the c4 slot was town up until that point
and the fact that you appear to bre voting me for questioning you about an understandably difficult to believe progression is not doing very much to help me believe that your reads are coming from a pure place
I am voting you because I have been unsure about the validity of this concern, and I never got a comfortable sense that you were town on Day 1.
even so, i felt the emotion that he was giving out in the specific exchange with alison that you're referencing was actually town-indicative - i pointed it out at the exact moment it happened, so you can know that i'm not making up that read to make my suspicion of you more legitimate
from my point of view, d1 progressed like this:
me and you both start out hard townreading c4, who drops a number of strong towntells throughout early d1. as the momentum on c4 increases and he becomes the leading wagon, i continue to townlean c4, and you appear to drop your townlean on c4 for reasons that i struggle to really understand/rationalize. (again, the specific thing that you found suspicious from c4 is the exact thing that i found towny)
after seeing c4 flip town, i immediately come into today being worried about the fact that our reads on c4 had diverged in such a dramatic fashion - especially since you had seemed more certain about c4 being town than i was for a good portion of d1
again, if you are playing from a town mindset, i struggle to understand why my concern about you is something that you're having a hard time grasping. it seems pretty clear to me, even if you feel that your progression on c4 is perfectly justifiable
Your initial statement of concern about my c4 read looked like a straight misunderstanding of my words. It no longer feels that way, but I still am not sure I see why this is a concern to you. I understand what you are saying, but I don't know why you think any of this might mean that I am mafia.
I also am just kind of annoyed at this game right now.
I am not sure. I'm cleaning my desk now, I'll get on my PC and then I'll start reading back. I had an exam last day so I could read nothing in the game.
I think you are overvaluing the weight I gave to my concern about c4. I simply lost some confidence in my town read on him. He never became a suspect for me.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:14 pm well, it bothers me because our reads on c4 were so synchronized up until that point - my concern was that your read on c4 fluctuated because you wanted to fit in with the consensus of the thread, which is something i could see scum!sloonei doing but not really see town!sloonei doing
i dont think this makes you lock mafia - it is a concern. and it is a concern that spiraled into more concern when our initial exchange ended up with you voting for me
you can correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember you saying that you tend to struggle/get frustrated by pressure when you're town. i don't want to put you in the position of feeling like your scumhunting is being interrupted by my pressure on you, but i do want to work with you to gain a mutual understanding today. i do not like our current dynamic, and i am struggling to us being unable to find each other when we're both town for this long, as much as i would like it to be true. i want to figure that out today
i'm in a bit of a grumpy mood too, so it's possible that we just got off on the wrong footSloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:19 pmI think you are overvaluing the weight I gave to my concern about c4. I simply lost some confidence in my town read on him. He never became a suspect for me.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:14 pm well, it bothers me because our reads on c4 were so synchronized up until that point - my concern was that your read on c4 fluctuated because you wanted to fit in with the consensus of the thread, which is something i could see scum!sloonei doing but not really see town!sloonei doing
i dont think this makes you lock mafia - it is a concern. and it is a concern that spiraled into more concern when our initial exchange ended up with you voting for me
you can correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember you saying that you tend to struggle/get frustrated by pressure when you're town. i don't want to put you in the position of feeling like your scumhunting is being interrupted by my pressure on you, but i do want to work with you to gain a mutual understanding today. i do not like our current dynamic, and i am struggling to us being unable to find each other when we're both town for this long, as much as i would like it to be true. i want to figure that out today
I am not currently engaged in any scum hunting, so I'm not being distracted. I do have a few things I want to look at but I'm hungry and a little tired so I haven't started on that yet. Jack's the one who said I struggle when I'm pressured as town.
I recommend not worrying about me for like 24 hours, if you can stomach that. I'm kind of just in a deflated mood so I'm not gonna be my best for a bit, but I never stay grumpy for more than a couple hours, so I'll be back to my normal self later. Take a fresh look at me after some more things have happened. I'll take my vote off you as well.
Maybe the reason we can't find each other is that we're both just grumpy gusses.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:23 pmi'm in a bit of a grumpy mood too, so it's possible that we just got off on the wrong footSloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:19 pmI think you are overvaluing the weight I gave to my concern about c4. I simply lost some confidence in my town read on him. He never became a suspect for me.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:14 pm well, it bothers me because our reads on c4 were so synchronized up until that point - my concern was that your read on c4 fluctuated because you wanted to fit in with the consensus of the thread, which is something i could see scum!sloonei doing but not really see town!sloonei doing
i dont think this makes you lock mafia - it is a concern. and it is a concern that spiraled into more concern when our initial exchange ended up with you voting for me
you can correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember you saying that you tend to struggle/get frustrated by pressure when you're town. i don't want to put you in the position of feeling like your scumhunting is being interrupted by my pressure on you, but i do want to work with you to gain a mutual understanding today. i do not like our current dynamic, and i am struggling to us being unable to find each other when we're both town for this long, as much as i would like it to be true. i want to figure that out today
I am not currently engaged in any scum hunting, so I'm not being distracted. I do have a few things I want to look at but I'm hungry and a little tired so I haven't started on that yet. Jack's the one who said I struggle when I'm pressured as town.
I recommend not worrying about me for like 24 hours, if you can stomach that. I'm kind of just in a deflated mood so I'm not gonna be my best for a bit, but I never stay grumpy for more than a couple hours, so I'll be back to my normal self later. Take a fresh look at me after some more things have happened. I'll take my vote off you as well.
i'll take a step back as well and we can reconnect later
Threadspewed town doesn’t exist in what’s functionally multiballstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:32 pmi have townread you for the vast majority of the game. your inability to find my alignment even as i become more clearly threadspewed town and the way that you're responding to my concerns about c4 makes me feel generally uneasy
uhChopChop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:03 pmWell he responded to Jack’s post so I think Jack!Scum TMI’s Poison!Scum.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:02 pmWho's "we" and why are you part of it?Poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:01 pmSo basically we are town reading LC?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:00 pmSuper close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:57 pmIt felt real to me.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:56 pmI don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:52 pm @Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276
But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec
Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.
But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."
There's one role in the setup that's town and can do it and it's almost definitely in play and it's basically worthless now so if they claim it's almost inno child
Your a father?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:36 pm Btw, my daughter was very distressed by Poison’s avatar.
I mean if your scum then yeah.
Save me the time and post that role hereTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:41 pmThere's one role in the setup that's town and can do it and it's almost definitely in play and it's basically worthless now so if they claim it's almost inno child
Yeah but innocent children shouldn’t like activate immediately.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:41 pmThere's one role in the setup that's town and can do it and it's almost definitely in play and it's basically worthless now so if they claim it's almost inno child
Lol thanks. My daughter is a townie at heart. Good kid.ChopChop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:42 pmYour a father?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:36 pm Btw, my daughter was very distressed by Poison’s avatar.
Congrats!
It’s EldridgeSloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:43 pmSave me the time and post that role hereTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:41 pmThere's one role in the setup that's town and can do it and it's almost definitely in play and it's basically worthless now so if they claim it's almost inno child
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:44 pmYeah but innocent children shouldn’t like activate immediately.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:41 pmThere's one role in the setup that's town and can do it and it's almost definitely in play and it's basically worthless now so if they claim it's almost inno child
yeah but there's another option and it can get cc'ed.
also i want a break from solving someone
“Yeah, Poison. Cause we’re wolves so we know LC isn’t one of us.” :wowee:Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:45 pmI mean like...you think Poison responded to her wolf partner in thread like “Do we townread LC?”