The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:24 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:21 pm But Mac let’s be clear - you’re part of the problem not the solution. You have 300 posts yourself in that other game.

Not that I want this thread to be quite that crazy. It’s a bit too intense for my liking. But we could be achieving more here.

Meh I swapped back in here later and it's harder to get into a game you haven't been involved in from day zero.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:10 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:06 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:22 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:49 am Golden....

https://i.imgur.com/dd20Xv5.gifv

Here's my thing right now Golden. I don't get why you seem hellbent on painting me into this tiny little corner of badness you've set aside for me. When I look at your other reads, you seem to have some degree of... what's the word... consideration, like you're working through your thoughts on them. When you come at me though it's just a brick wall of suspicion. You're not engaging me, you're stonewalling me. I'm struggling to understand why you've approached me this way since essentially the beginning of the game. It feels irrational to me.

This is false. You’ve had copious opportunities to engage with my suspicion and all you’ve done is dismiss dismiss dismiss. This is the first post in four days where you’ve given the slightest indication of taking me seriously.

As you know - I shouldn’t have to remind you or anyone of this - in couragei genuinely thought you were bad. It was genuine hunting in which I read your iso several times, engaged with you, specified what I thought you were up to. That I happened to also be bad in that game is an easy but insincere way of doing more dismissal.

TH is suggesting that I didn’t genuinely believe he was bad there, and my behaviour is the same here, therefore I don’t think he’s genuinely bad here.

It has a false starting point.

You seem to be reading it out of context to suggest it implies ‘I don’t genuinely suspect TH here’. This is both false and missing the context.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:09 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:25 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:51 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:22 pmAs you know - I shouldn’t have to remind you or anyone of this - in couragei genuinely thought you were bad. It was genuine hunting in which I read your iso several times, engaged with you, specified what I thought you were up to. That I happened to also be bad in that game is an easy but insincere way of doing more dismissal.

Also, c'mon dude. You mischaracterized my ISO enough in Courage to make me realize you were bad there. On top of that I was literally going after your teammate most of that game. There was nothing "genuine" about how you hunted me in that game. You were mafia and you played accordingly.

You seem to be a master at the art of the spin, though, I gotta give you props for that

I did zero misrepresentation whatsoever.

My going after you was 100% genuine which I said throughout the game and after. I didn't go after you because you were after a teammate. I don't give a shit when people are after my teammates.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Don’t start with this condescending stuff please.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:23 pm Golden you have a town read on Faraday? How do you rationalise the different ways that our dead confirmed scum appraised Wilgy vs. him in the aforementioned post?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:32 pm @Enrique Send me 300.

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:28 pm So its time for me to weigh in I guess. I've been going over everyones that's on the Vote's posts. Here is my two cents:

Glorf - While I had initial suspicions of him initially, which was primarily founded on this focus of his meta. I do believe that he very well is a good player and not a baddie. He's been defensive of players, and his Captain and has only really lashed out when one of those was put in the hot seat. So I've swung this vote from red to green.

DDL - Though most people seem to think DDL is a baddie, I'm not entirely convinced. I've seen it swing either way so I am on the ropes with DDL but the way that DDL has reacted even despite his being ejected from his crew. This does not scream bad to me. So I'm again swinging my thoughts from Badish to good.

DrWilgy - Lurking in the shadows. Very low activity from what I've seen but most of what they have posted has not really carried much substance. I suppose the real life reason for inactivity should be considered. I'm on the ropes here. Earlier on they were pretty aggresive with some comments. One thing that stood out to me and still rings is "My Votes have gone to preventing a cowered from being Captain, I'll hold my 4th". This still resonates with me and has pushed my vote over to the bad side. I'm still curious why Wilgy would label Golden a Cowered as I Believe that is where that comment was directed. So... Yeah. And Silence for a long period from the 9th up until...?

DFaraday - Not very active. Mostly responsive to post but nothing that really stands out to me.

Kylemii - Wizard Stuff? Is this some kind of misdirect and avoidance of the Topics at hand? Has not really been helpful but has not hurt. Someone I'm watching to see where this goes as we move on. Leaning Bad.

Luna - Reading through your posts I didn't honestly see anything that stood out as bad up until you ejected DDL from your crew. I'm still not sure I understand why. I thought your handling of your crew pointed to good, but your comments to take in "Jaded" crew. Then when Challenged on it, you 180'ed and said it was a joke. Kind of Strange to me. Those two points combined have me thinking you hail from the dark side of things.

Lapluie... ? Not really here? LOL

Marmot - No real substance to posts until somewhat recently. The vote for Mac without reason kind of through me. I would be interested to know why you threw Mac Under the bus.

SpeedChuck - This suggestion to Lynch ships that have more crew while a good tactic for a win, I'm not sure if I can tell if it was a "Bad' or "Good" Suggestion. It could be both. Mostly seems to play devils advocate between posts.

This is all I've got so far from reading through things and following. Some of the most recent posts are not really analyized here. But yeah. Observations.

So I'm leaning on DrWilgy, and Luna to be honest. I would like other opinions on why I shouldn't vote for one of them or which one I should over the other?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:31 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:09 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:25 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:51 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:22 pmAs you know - I shouldn’t have to remind you or anyone of this - in couragei genuinely thought you were bad. It was genuine hunting in which I read your iso several times, engaged with you, specified what I thought you were up to. That I happened to also be bad in that game is an easy but insincere way of doing more dismissal.

Also, c'mon dude. You mischaracterized my ISO enough in Courage to make me realize you were bad there. On top of that I was literally going after your teammate most of that game. There was nothing "genuine" about how you hunted me in that game. You were mafia and you played accordingly.

You seem to be a master at the art of the spin, though, I gotta give you props for that

I did zero misrepresentation whatsoever.

My going after you was 100% genuine which I said throughout the game and after. I didn't go after you because you were after a teammate. I don't give a shit when people are after my teammates.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Don’t start with this condescending stuff please.

I can end with it, if that's your preference.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:31 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:10 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:06 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:22 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:49 am Golden....

https://i.imgur.com/dd20Xv5.gifv

Here's my thing right now Golden. I don't get why you seem hellbent on painting me into this tiny little corner of badness you've set aside for me. When I look at your other reads, you seem to have some degree of... what's the word... consideration, like you're working through your thoughts on them. When you come at me though it's just a brick wall of suspicion. You're not engaging me, you're stonewalling me. I'm struggling to understand why you've approached me this way since essentially the beginning of the game. It feels irrational to me.

This is false. You’ve had copious opportunities to engage with my suspicion and all you’ve done is dismiss dismiss dismiss. This is the first post in four days where you’ve given the slightest indication of taking me seriously.

As you know - I shouldn’t have to remind you or anyone of this - in couragei genuinely thought you were bad. It was genuine hunting in which I read your iso several times, engaged with you, specified what I thought you were up to. That I happened to also be bad in that game is an easy but insincere way of doing more dismissal.

TH is suggesting that I didn’t genuinely believe he was bad there, and my behaviour is the same here, therefore I don’t think he’s genuinely bad here.

It has a false starting point.

You seem to be reading it out of context to suggest it implies ‘I don’t genuinely suspect TH here’. This is both false and missing the context.

"In Courage I genuinely thought you were bad." -Golden

Golden was mafia.

I don't see how you were genuine. You were decidedly not genuine because you were bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:40 pm nutella did vote for SQ as well. Does anyone know when she got her vote on? She tried to pin Faraday as a busser as well. At face value she doesn't look teammate compatible with SQ.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:38 pm Yeah Faraday sussed and then voted dead confirmed mafia SQ in a way that doesn't make sense to have been to mop up credit on a bus. It's not like Faraday. I don't think he is scum.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:40 pm And there is zero value making today about me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:42 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:40 pm And there is zero value making today about me.

If we don't use days to scum hunt players not on the poll then we will lose mate. We need to give town captains valid reasons to choose members of their crew that the town feels are bad to go onto the poll each night. DharmaHelper and Turnip Head have put themselves on the fucking poll for instance. Too many people are playing the ships vs. ships game and it's not going to end well for us. Making today about anybody that anybody feels is genuinely bad is valuable whether or not they are on the poll.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:44 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:06 am I’m inclined to vote DDL, but am I wrong to to think Sokoth doth protest too much in that initial big post?

That was my initial thought too. Sokoth's response felt weirdly disproportionate to Nova's post, with shades of NO U too. Also him making a point of Nova already putting a vote on him today when votes are changeable reads like he's trying to make Nova look shadier than warranted.

I do agree with DH that DDL was pretty wishy-washy early on, which I hate to admit since our crew is already lagging behind the rest.

I'm not really clear on what the case on Wilgy even is.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:47 pm If we're going to consider a DFaraday-Sokoth partnership:

DFaraday had a post Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:02 pm (EST).

His next post was Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:44 pm (EST).

That's a good three days apart.

The Saturday post was this one:

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:44 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:06 am I’m inclined to vote DDL, but am I wrong to to think Sokoth doth protest too much in that initial big post?

That was my initial thought too. Sokoth's response felt weirdly disproportionate to Nova's post, with shades of NO U too. Also him making a point of Nova already putting a vote on him today when votes are changeable reads like he's trying to make Nova look shadier than warranted.

I do agree with DH that DDL was pretty wishy-washy early on, which I hate to admit since our crew is already lagging behind the rest.

I'm not really clear on what the case on Wilgy even is.

It was his first mention of Sokoth, and he was quoting Colin.

Colin's post was dated Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:06 am (EST).

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That means there were four hours and thirty-eight minutes between Colin's post and DFaraday's post, which quoted it.

DFaraday's Wednesday post was #484.

DFaraday's Saturday post was #1090.

That means there were three days and 606 posts between DFaraday's Wednesday post and his Saturday post.

And you're telling me that out of 606 posts, the one DFaraday quotes is the one that mentions Sokoth, a player I don't think he's ever played with before? A post that was made over four hours before he made his?

Y'all check my math and shit.

Meanwhile, DFaraday is getting my vote.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:31 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:10 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:06 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:22 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:49 am Golden....

https://i.imgur.com/dd20Xv5.gifv

Here's my thing right now Golden. I don't get why you seem hellbent on painting me into this tiny little corner of badness you've set aside for me. When I look at your other reads, you seem to have some degree of... what's the word... consideration, like you're working through your thoughts on them. When you come at me though it's just a brick wall of suspicion. You're not engaging me, you're stonewalling me. I'm struggling to understand why you've approached me this way since essentially the beginning of the game. It feels irrational to me.

This is false. You’ve had copious opportunities to engage with my suspicion and all you’ve done is dismiss dismiss dismiss. This is the first post in four days where you’ve given the slightest indication of taking me seriously.

As you know - I shouldn’t have to remind you or anyone of this - in couragei genuinely thought you were bad. It was genuine hunting in which I read your iso several times, engaged with you, specified what I thought you were up to. That I happened to also be bad in that game is an easy but insincere way of doing more dismissal.

TH is suggesting that I didn’t genuinely believe he was bad there, and my behaviour is the same here, therefore I don’t think he’s genuinely bad here.

It has a false starting point.

You seem to be reading it out of context to suggest it implies ‘I don’t genuinely suspect TH here’. This is both false and missing the context.

"In Courage I genuinely thought you were bad." -Golden

Golden was mafia.

I don't see how you were genuine. You were decidedly not genuine because you were bad.

I believed he was also bad.

When there are two bad factions, do you have no genuine baddie reads hunting for the other side?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:40 pm nutella did vote for SQ as well. Does anyone know when she got her vote on? She tried to pin Faraday as a busser as well. At face value she doesn't look teammate compatible with SQ.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:47 pm If we're going to consider a DFaraday-Sokoth partnership:

DFaraday had a post Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:02 pm (EST).

His next post was Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:44 pm (EST).

That's a good three days apart.

The Saturday post was this one:

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:44 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:06 am I’m inclined to vote DDL, but am I wrong to to think Sokoth doth protest too much in that initial big post?

That was my initial thought too. Sokoth's response felt weirdly disproportionate to Nova's post, with shades of NO U too. Also him making a point of Nova already putting a vote on him today when votes are changeable reads like he's trying to make Nova look shadier than warranted.

I do agree with DH that DDL was pretty wishy-washy early on, which I hate to admit since our crew is already lagging behind the rest.

I'm not really clear on what the case on Wilgy even is.

It was his first mention of Sokoth, and he was quoting Colin.

Colin's post was dated Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:06 am (EST).

++++

That means there were four hours and thirty-eight minutes between Colin's post and DFaraday's post, which quoted it.

DFaraday's Wednesday post was #484.

DFaraday's Saturday post was #1090.

That means there were three days and 606 posts between DFaraday's Wednesday post and his Saturday post.

And you're telling me that out of 606 posts, the one DFaraday quotes is the one that mentions Sokoth, a player I don't think he's ever played with before? A post that was made over four hours before he made his?

Y'all check my math and shit.

Meanwhile, DFaraday is getting my vote.

What made you see this?

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:38 pm Yeah Faraday sussed and then voted dead confirmed mafia SQ in a way that doesn't make sense to have been to mop up credit on a bus. It's not like Faraday. I don't think he is scum.

Seriously I think anyone who actually reads his iso will make this turnaround.

Thank you for doing that instead of just telling me I’m defending a teammate.

BTW nova. My victim card keeps me focused on whose bad. You should let me keep it.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:41 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:40 pm How about Sokoth dude?

I just glanced over his ISO, and I still have a bad vibe about him. His contributive posts have been so far riddled with some good old fence-sitting. He went on about not liking the talks about Glorf, but ended up saying that he's someone we should look after.

Same thing about the Golden/I thing. Liking both posts, and feigning interest with a generic response to what could have been my motivation to not break the tie between Glorf/Golden.

...

Are you down for a CFD on Luna or not?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:49 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:31 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:10 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:06 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:22 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:49 am Golden....

https://i.imgur.com/dd20Xv5.gifv

Here's my thing right now Golden. I don't get why you seem hellbent on painting me into this tiny little corner of badness you've set aside for me. When I look at your other reads, you seem to have some degree of... what's the word... consideration, like you're working through your thoughts on them. When you come at me though it's just a brick wall of suspicion. You're not engaging me, you're stonewalling me. I'm struggling to understand why you've approached me this way since essentially the beginning of the game. It feels irrational to me.

This is false. You’ve had copious opportunities to engage with my suspicion and all you’ve done is dismiss dismiss dismiss. This is the first post in four days where you’ve given the slightest indication of taking me seriously.

As you know - I shouldn’t have to remind you or anyone of this - in couragei genuinely thought you were bad. It was genuine hunting in which I read your iso several times, engaged with you, specified what I thought you were up to. That I happened to also be bad in that game is an easy but insincere way of doing more dismissal.

TH is suggesting that I didn’t genuinely believe he was bad there, and my behaviour is the same here, therefore I don’t think he’s genuinely bad here.

It has a false starting point.

You seem to be reading it out of context to suggest it implies ‘I don’t genuinely suspect TH here’. This is both false and missing the context.

"In Courage I genuinely thought you were bad." -Golden

Golden was mafia.

I don't see how you were genuine. You were decidedly not genuine because you were bad.

I believed he was also bad.

When there are two bad factions, do you have no genuine baddie reads hunting for the other side?

There was one bad faction and an Egyptian independent.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:49 pm @Turnip Head why did you put yourself on the poll?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:49 pm @Turnip Head why did you put yourself on the poll?

I handpicked my squad Day 1 because I wanted to work with them. I didn't mind being on the poll cuz I'm OG fresh like that

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:56 pm @Turnhip Head What happened to our cash? I haven't been remunerated in a while captain.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:51 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:38 pm Yeah Faraday sussed and then voted dead confirmed mafia SQ in a way that doesn't make sense to have been to mop up credit on a bus. It's not like Faraday. I don't think he is scum.

Seriously I think anyone who actually reads his iso will make this turnaround.

Thank you for doing that instead of just telling me I’m defending a teammate.

BTW nova. My victim card keeps me focused on whose bad. You should let me keep it.

All right, lol.

But why didn't you thank me too when I also shared this read of DFaraday?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:56 pm @Turnhip Head What happened to our cash? I haven't been remunerated in a while captain.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:58 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:51 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:38 pm Yeah Faraday sussed and then voted dead confirmed mafia SQ in a way that doesn't make sense to have been to mop up credit on a bus. It's not like Faraday. I don't think he is scum.

Seriously I think anyone who actually reads his iso will make this turnaround.

Thank you for doing that instead of just telling me I’m defending a teammate.

BTW nova. My victim card keeps me focused on whose bad. You should let me keep it.

All right, lol.

But why didn't you thank me too when I also shared this read of DFaraday?

You hadn’t actively said the other thing as far as I recall, unlike nut and Mac who both voted for him. Mac, specifically, accused me of hard defending a teammate which is just not true (and something I don’t do anyway), so I was pleased he had seen the light.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:57 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:49 pm @Turnip Head why did you put yourself on the poll?

I handpicked my squad Day 1 because I wanted to work with them. I didn't mind being on the poll cuz I'm OG fresh like that

You do realise the objective here is to find scum not play spaceship captain right?

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:58 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:56 pm @Turnhip Head What happened to our cash? I haven't been remunerated in a while captain.

Seriously?

I would call that concerning. Why haven’t you raised it before?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:56 pm @Turnhip Head What happened to our cash? I haven't been remunerated in a while captain.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:01 pm Enrique and DDL have had scum suspicion on them since day 1. The fact that they are still alive is a fucking joke really. DharmaHelper put Enrique on the god damned poll tomorrow. Whoever the hell is harbouring DDL you are obliged to do the same.