The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:56 pm**

you guys probably are important.

ill get to it eventually.

I put jack as town because i realized i had nothing against him i could quote. only in my gut

also sorry to hear about your cold. i took it literally

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:58 pm**

Spoiler: show

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:03 pm**

Yeah see that laugh is scummy

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:11 pm**

I got home a lot later than anticipated yesterday because my brother and I decided to explore London for a few hours rather than immediately jump on the first train home. By the time I got in I was knackered and basically went straight to sleep. I've read bits over the weekend but not much and what I did read, I didn't always have context for. Going to catch up now from my last post and see where things stand currently.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:44 pm**

A recap of the Sprityo case.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:47 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:53 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:51 pm also the last thing you quoted where I menace shrug at you, you said it yourself that you've been kinda slimey these past few days.
That was a joke. I've been slimy. Scummy. Mucousy. Sweaty.

Sick.

I have no metric for whether I've actually acted like mafia or not. So why is Jack town in your GTH reads? And why aren't you working on coming to any conclusions on myself/Jack (I feel like he and I are kinda important to the state of the game)

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:48 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:56 pm you guys probably are important.

ill get to it eventually.

I put jack as town because i realized i had nothing against him i could quote. only in my gut

also sorry to hear about your cold. i took it literally

You should check the expiration dates on your food more carefully before you eat it.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:18 pm**

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] Say hypothetically that Marmot is town. What next?

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:34 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:18 pm @Turnip Head Say hypothetically that Marmot is town. What next?

Well I prolly feel like a dummy for a bit, and then I try to lynch speedchuck.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:38 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:34 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:18 pm @Turnip Head Say hypothetically that Marmot is town. What next?
Well I prolly feel like a dummy for a bit, and then I try to lynch speedchuck.

And in this hypothetical lynch, let's say I don't flip scum. What then?

(Please and thank you for indulging me)

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:39 pm**

Then we most likely lose

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:41 pm**

Yeah it's pretty "the bigger man" of me to indulge your questions when you didn't even bat an eye at my jabs during the GTH.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:50 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:41 pm Yeah it's pretty "the bigger man" of me to indulge your questions when you didn't even bat an eye at my jabs during the GTH.

Did you want me to bat an eye?

I have a strategy that I use when I want to actually be productive in a mafia game. It's called "ignore all suspicion directed against me." Works pretty well. But if you have any specific questions (not barbs or stated accusations), I will address them.

I don't remember any questions, but I was in the middle of a GTH session.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:51 pm**

Yeah I've heard of it

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:17 pm**

It works.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:18 pm**

I know

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:20 pm**

Are you actually being productive tho

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:23 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:20 pm Are you actually being productive tho

That's a good question.

I was hoping to engage people today, but they all left shortly after I put together my first pseudo-ISO. You're the only person I can engage now.

Wanna do something productive?

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:27 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:23 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:20 pm Are you actually being productive tho
That's a good question.

I was hoping to engage people today, but they all left shortly after I put together my first pseudo-ISO. You're the only person I can engage now.

Wanna do something productive?

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:29 pm**

Womnderful

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:41 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:16 am @Marmot why can’t you just playing the FREAKING GAME MAN!???? We need you!!!!

Sorry, I was busy over the weekend.

Also I shouldn't even have posted yesterday.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:45 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:41 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:16 am @Marmot why can’t you just playing the FREAKING GAME MAN!???? We need you!!!!
Sorry, I was busy over the weekend.

Also I shouldn't even have posted yesterday.

It's cool, you're here now and we have a full day left.

What's the state of your head, you reads, etc.? Anything you can just dump into the thread while you have the chance?

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:47 pm**

I'm confirmed town.
Sprityo is confirmed mafia.

Everyone else is tbd.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:48 pm**

Okay.

Got a 'why' on Sprityo?

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:49 pm**

[mention]Quin[/mention] I also need to know more about your TH vote.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:54 pm**

Because he tried to lynch Sloonei. Yes this is old news, but it's the limit of my recollection.

Honestly, I logged in the other day and freaked out because I was about to be lynched. But I probably shouldn't have posted when I did, hence why you guys didn't hear more from me. I didn't expect to survive the lynch either, that was a surprise to me.

Anyway, just checking in right now to say hi. But I'll be back to post more later on today, and I've got a bone to pick with you voters.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:57 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:17 am If Marmot is town, Gemini Man is scum and almost certain Speedchuck.

If Marmot is scum and not Gemini Man, same conclusion.

Can Marmot not be town and Gemini Man?

The main thing I don't understand is why in my catch up people seem to be assuming Gemini Man is definitely a baddie with what appears to be no evidence other than his vote to tie the lynch. I'm not opposed to re-lynching Marmot, especially if I can be presented with a convincing answer to this question.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:00 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:54 pm Because he tried to lynch Sloonei. Yes this is old news, but it's the limit of my recollection.

Honestly, I logged in the other day and freaked out because I was about to be lynched. But I probably shouldn't have posted when I did, hence why you guys didn't hear more from me. I didn't expect to survive the lynch either, that was a surprise to me.

Anyway, just checking in right now to say hi. But I'll be back to post more later on today, and I've got a bone to pick with you voters.

Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present to you “freaked out” Marmot.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:48 pmWait what?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:48 pm Sorry been busy with house projects the past couple days...

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:50 pm Well that's cool. Enjoy lynching me.

(Silently votes Simon)

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:02 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:51 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:48 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:41 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:40 am Step 1 - Night Kill the fuck out of inactive players
Step 2 - Lynch whoever the fuck we want based on whatever the fuck we want because the players we don't Nightkill will be like "yeah that is in the thread therefore it makes sense to do that"

Active players, that should say on #1
You aren’t supposed to post this to the thread.
GET IN CHAT BEFORE REY BLOCKS MP AND OUR KILL

A joke that no one here will get but that makes me incredibly happy every time

I got the joke! I didn't play that game but someone told me about it shortly after it had happened so I ended up reading the whole thing.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:05 pm**

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:17 am If Marmot is town, Gemini Man is scum and almost certain Speedchuck.

If Marmot is scum and not Gemini Man, same conclusion.
Can Marmot not be town and Gemini Man?

The main thing I don't understand is why in my catch up people seem to be assuming Gemini Man is definitely a baddie with what appears to be no evidence other than his vote to tie the lynch. I'm not opposed to re-lynching Marmot, especially if I can be presented with a convincing answer to this question.

If that’s the case, why didn’t he defend himself then or in the next day?

To what end does townie Marmot throw someone else under the bus only to let himself be mislynched the next day? (Same question if Marmot isn’t GM I suppose.)

Gemini Man (and Speedchuck and LC) caused us to waste a day lynching Simon when the consensus was that Marmot should be lynched. Simon was town. None of those players gave a good reason for lynching Simon over Marmot yet here we are. Ergo, Gemini Man looks shady af.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:07 pm**

To me the smartest and most damning thing about Marmot is "Why bother tacking onto the Luna vote unless it's for cred"

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:07 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:54 pm Because he tried to lynch Sloonei. Yes this is old news, but it's the limit of my recollection.

Honestly, I logged in the other day and freaked out because I was about to be lynched. But I probably shouldn't have posted when I did, hence why you guys didn't hear more from me. I didn't expect to survive the lynch either, that was a surprise to me.

Anyway, just checking in right now to say hi. But I'll be back to post more later on today, and I've got a bone to pick with you voters.
Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present to you “freaked out” Marmot.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:48 pmWait what?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:48 pm Sorry been busy with house projects the past couple days...

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:50 pm Well that's cool. Enjoy lynching me.
(Silently votes Simon)

I'm gonna roll my eyes at this post. Hard.

Those quotes could absolutely be categorized as freaking out.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:08 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:07 pm To me the smartest and most damning thing about Marmot is "Why bother tacking onto the Luna vote unless it's for cred"

Yeah that's basically it.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:08 pm**

The sketchiest part BY FAR was that it happened at literally the last minute. No upstanding citizen votes like that.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:09 pm**

re: Gemini Man and Marmot ^^

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:10 pm**

Thought exercise: If Marmot is bad, is there any chance the Simon voters contain one or more teammates of his, and if so, who the hell?

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:15 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:10 pm Thought exercise: If Marmot is bad, is there any chance the Simon voters contain one or more teammates of his, and if so, who the hell?

I can't fathom Dizzy or Long Con being scum with Marmot and pulling that, frankly.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:16 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:54 pm Because he tried to lynch Sloonei. Yes this is old news, but it's the limit of my recollection.

Honestly, I logged in the other day and freaked out because I was about to be lynched. But I probably shouldn't have posted when I did, hence why you guys didn't hear more from me. I didn't expect to survive the lynch either, that was a surprise to me.

Anyway, just checking in right now to say hi. But I'll be back to post more later on today, and I've got a bone to pick with you voters.
Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present to you “freaked out” Marmot.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:48 pmWait what?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:48 pm Sorry been busy with house projects the past couple days...

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:50 pm Well that's cool. Enjoy lynching me.
(Silently votes Simon)
I'm gonna roll my eyes at this post. Hard.

Those quotes could absolutely be categorized as freaking out.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:17 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:05 pm
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:17 am If Marmot is town, Gemini Man is scum and almost certain Speedchuck.

If Marmot is scum and not Gemini Man, same conclusion.
Can Marmot not be town and Gemini Man?

The main thing I don't understand is why in my catch up people seem to be assuming Gemini Man is definitely a baddie with what appears to be no evidence other than his vote to tie the lynch. I'm not opposed to re-lynching Marmot, especially if I can be presented with a convincing answer to this question.
If that’s the case, why didn’t he defend himself then or in the next day?

To what end does townie Marmot throw someone else under the bus only to let himself be mislynched the next day? (Same question if Marmot isn’t GM I suppose.)

Gemini Man (and Speedchuck and LC) caused us to waste a day lynching Simon when the consensus was that Marmot should be lynched. Simon was town. None of those players gave a good reason for lynching Simon over Marmot yet here we are. Ergo, Gemini Man looks shady af.

He seems to be claiming he was silenced and broke the rules of it by posting. Not sure if I buy it. As to why he hasn't defended himself since:

If I had the ability to apply an extra vote to someone, you can 100% guarantee I'd use it defensively regardless of my alignment. I guess that's why I can see a civ GM voting to tie up a lynch to protect himself. I'm mostly just playing devil's advocate with this though, my questioning here is more with regard to Gemini Man specifically.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:07 pm To me the smartest and most damning thing about Marmot is "Why bother tacking onto the Luna vote unless it's for cred"

Okay this is a solid point.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:18 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:10 pm Thought exercise: If Marmot is bad, is there any chance the Simon voters contain one or more teammates of his, and if so, who the hell?

Could be Speed. Could be LC. Could be bad luck.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:23 pm**

Gemini Man's extra vote ever happen before?

To me, I wouldn't blow my load on a close lynch like that if it wasn't a last resort (Meaning if I hadn't exhausted all other options i.e my team wasn't already helping me out in the votes)

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:25 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:23 pm Gemini Man's extra vote ever happen before?

To me, I wouldn't blow my load on a close lynch like that if it wasn't a last resort (Meaning if I hadn't exhausted all other options i.e my team wasn't already helping me out in the votes)

Only gemini man vote on record.

Very good point.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:29 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:23 pm Gemini Man's extra vote ever happen before?

To me, I wouldn't blow my load on a close lynch like that if it wasn't a last resort (Meaning if I hadn't exhausted all other options i.e my team wasn't already helping me out in the votes)

Why? A double vote is cheaper than a teammate sticking out their neck.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:30 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:23 pm Gemini Man's extra vote ever happen before?

To me, I wouldn't blow my load on a close lynch like that if it wasn't a last resort (Meaning if I hadn't exhausted all other options i.e my team wasn't already helping me out in the votes)

On second thought...

This makes sense if Marmot is town and working with his power alone, but it also makes sense if Marmot is scum and just saw an opportunity to possibly push things forward a day phase without involving his teammates. He's gonna die and lose the power if he doesn't use it anyway.

Assuming that he's Gemini man, of course. If he's not, then... I wouldn't waste it to tie a lynch. Might not even do anything.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:41 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:29 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:23 pm Gemini Man's extra vote ever happen before?

To me, I wouldn't blow my load on a close lynch like that if it wasn't a last resort (Meaning if I hadn't exhausted all other options i.e my team wasn't already helping me out in the votes)
Why? A double vote is cheaper than a teammate sticking out their neck.

If it were me, I view it like this

1. Marmot as Gemini is an MVP for the team with his ability to double vote
2. Assuming it only works once, I would save it for a worst case rainy day type dealio.
3. If the vote was as close as it seems from the chatter I've been hearing, no harm no foul in teammates trying to push Simon over Marmot
4. Popping the Gemini vote suggests either Marmots team was already in on the Simon vote and they really really wanted him to stay up, or whoever was on his team but not on the Simon wagon would have fucked themselves and Marmot over if they switched.

If Marmot is bad it would've been smarter to cut bait or have a teammate or two do the push, rather than pop the Gemini vote (because now, if Marmot's bad, his utility to the team is null)
If Marmot is good, it would've been smarter to pop the Gemini vote because he knows he's good and he didn't know if Simon was.

But

Marmot attaching himself erroneously to the Luna lynch is the thing that's most stuck in my craw about the whole ordeal.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:42 pm**

If Marmot is Gemini Man then there's no downside to using his power to save himself, town or scum. It's the way he voted that seems suspicious to me, like he was trying to catch us with our pants down

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:48 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:29 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:23 pm Gemini Man's extra vote ever happen before?

To me, I wouldn't blow my load on a close lynch like that if it wasn't a last resort (Meaning if I hadn't exhausted all other options i.e my team wasn't already helping me out in the votes)
Why? A double vote is cheaper than a teammate sticking out their neck.
If it were me, I view it like this

1. Marmot as Gemini is an MVP for the team with his ability to double vote
2. Assuming it only works once, I would save it for a worst case rainy day type dealio.
3. If the vote was as close as it seems from the chatter I've been hearing, no harm no foul in teammates trying to push Simon over Marmot
4. Popping the Gemini vote suggests either Marmots team was already in on the Simon vote and they really really wanted him to stay up, or whoever was on his team but not on the Simon wagon would have fucked themselves and Marmot over if they switched.

If Marmot is bad it would've been smarter to cut bait or have a teammate or two do the push, rather than pop the Gemini vote (because now, if Marmot's bad, his utility to the team is null)
If Marmot is good, it would've been smarter to pop the Gemini vote because he knows he's good and he didn't know if Simon was.

But

Marmot attaching himself erroneously to the Luna lynch is the thing that's most stuck in my craw about the whole ordeal.

Point three is your problem.

The vote was 3 to 5. I'd freaking notice if Marmot AND ANOTHER PERSON OR TWO jumped on the lynch wagon. Gemini was only enough to tie the wagons there.

3 to 5 is close, but proportionally horridly far. Because this game is full of lurkers.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:59 pm**

[mention]Long Con[/mention]

Where you at brah?

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:28 pm**

Can [mention]Gemini Man[/mention] post?

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:45 pm**

Gemini Man seems to be voting for Marmot. Interesante

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