The Syndicate

Votes on me is wrong.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:31 pm Hammer is five, not four. LC and Sloonei doesn’t make this confirmed

There are currently three votes. If only one of LC/Sloonei is mafia, they can still hammer. Both of them need to be mafia for it to not be a hammer.

Yeah you're right

The logic is a bit less absolute given that votes are not locked. The mafia would have to swarm the wagon simultaneously.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:33 pm Votes on me is wrong.

What's the story between you and Turnip Head?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:33 pm Votes on me is wrong.

What's the story between you and Turnip Head?

I don't have a story.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:33 pm Votes on me is wrong.

What's the story between you and Turnip Head?

I don't have a story.

I noticed.

I haven't heard about that batting average yet tonight.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:41 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:33 pm Votes on me is wrong.

What's the story between you and Turnip Head?

I don't have a story.

I noticed.

I haven't heard about that batting average yet tonight.

There's a reason for that too.

Looked like fun to do a hammer. I didn't hammer, I just put it within range.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:42 pm There's a reason for that too.

Because perfection is only lost for sure if you're a civilian and are lynched?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:42 pm Looked like fun to do a hammer. I didn't hammer, I just put it within range.

What was the STOP about?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:54 pm This may be one of those scenarios where circumstance has outed one of two (like a cop and counter-claim cop) which facilitates a lynch of someone else.

I meant this, by the way.

Hammer time joke that Sloonei stole.

ted about Mac on Day 1:

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:00 pm Mac is unreadable, I attempted to read him and it failed. Me making a reaction test doesn’t mean that I know how to read Mac / that I should get something from it, it proves I’m trying to, I’m scum hunting

Mac is "unreadable."

Tentatively trusts Mac, but not as much as others.
Places him accordingly on a tiered list.

That's the end of Day 1. I can believe that ted would be inclined to target Mac with his neighborhood ability based on this. Mac is a town read, but ted is hesitant to trust him completely (mac is crafty and these two were just baddie partners in a previous game). A private BTSC setting would be a good place to try to solidify that town read.

Mac spent much of the latter part of Day 1 hard defending ted, for what it's worth. It makes little to no sense for ted to waste his first ability on a player who was so adamantly town-reading him already. If funnygurl's claim is true then ted was almost certainly trying to set up BTSC with Mac.

Onto Day 2. If these two had BTSC then I'd expect there to be something that might suggest it. I'm not sure what I am looking for here, but I'm gonna look anyway. Let's dig in, shall we.

Both of them entertained some suspicion against me. Mac's suspicion is more substantial, whereas ted's is mostly a shrug. Nevertheless, I could see this being a thing they'd talk about in BTSC. I was also their partner in that recent game. Mildly intriguing, but not convincing.

Both of them also entertain some suspicion against funnygurl. Same as above: intriguing, but not a smoking gun.

ted names Mac as a possible suspect. Interesting. This doesn't look like it has much strength, and the emphasis in the "Mac/Sloonei" dichotomy seems to be centered on me rather than Mac. Slight quibble, but still not convincing either way.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:31 am [VOTE: Tedxtr] aubergine

I don't believe anything he has said. I have the worst gut feels towards him and all the positive things about him can be faked.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:55 am ted is wrong town I'm just locking it in and giving up on chasing that dragon

Mac briefly cast a vote for ted and almost immediately tossed it out of his mind. I can see a civilian Mac tinfoiling on a temporary BTSC partner like that, so it's not super alarming. But it's definitely the strongest point against funnygurl so far.

They express similar thoughts about Long Con within an hour of each other. I could see this being the product of private conversation.

They have a lengthy exchange about suspects/general reads on the game that doesn't seem very tense. They're both calm here, like Mac is trying to coax the reads out of ted, and ted is complying. I am of two minds here: if they have BTSC, does this exchange need to happen? Couldn't they have talked about these things privately.
On the flip side, I could answer my own question: yes, this exchange can exist even with BTSC between these two. This is the public portion, in which ted and mac develop their reads for the thread to advance the game for everybody and not just themselves. The conversation is earnest and Mac is trying to draw information out of a town read (who he may or may not have BTSC with). Something like this does not need to take place in private, and the game is better served if it's public anyway.

This, on the other hand, contains a pointed accusation from mac at ted.

Mac is absent from ted's "towncore", and is listed as one of four suspects. At this point I'll note that ted is under no obligation to trust the player he sets up BTSC with. Maybe they had a private conversation and the result was suspicion from ted. I would have a harder time believing that Mac could come out of this hypothetical BTSC with a suspicion against ted: ted is supposedly setting this thing up, and Mac would presumably be aware of this fact. This ability is generally pro-town, and we almost had our team blown up by an iteration of it in the GoC. Caveat here is that Mac has never played in a game hosted by nanook, so he doesn't know what to expect.

ted eventually voted for speedchuck and that was that. speed was in mac's poe, but he was hardly a focus.

There is no smoking gun either way here. It is a bit curious that there were a few blips of hostility in here. Mac seems to have entertained the possibility of ted being bad for all of 10 seconds before abandoning it, so nothing there demands that funnygurl must be lying. But ted maintained healthy skepticism against Mac throughout much of the day, and that's a bit more noteworthy, but ted -> mac is less compelling for the purposes of this exercise than mac -> ted.

I also note that I am making some broad assumptions about what ted's role does or looks like: I presume that Mac knows tedxtr specifically has initiated BTSC with him for this phase, and that Mac would then assume ted to be town. I presume that they will have talked, shared reads, possibly role claimed, and come to some general understanding of each other's gameplay thus far.

Reading Mac's role just now reveals a couple more complications: 1) This role is not inherently that of a civilian.
2) ted does not appear to have a pirate ship, so there is a possibility that ted's attempt to target Mac night 1 would/should have failed. Given that Mac died on Night 2, we might speculate that Mac sailed away on Night 1 (or that a member of the mafia team has a pirate ship as well, and used it to kill him Night 2).
3) IF Mac used his pirate ship to become untargetable on Night 1, then ted's shot would have failed... but so too would have funnygurl's, and Drago's, and Epi's. If Mac is out at sea on Night 1, then funnygurl must also have a pirate ship, or else she should not have been able to receive a report on him at all.

This brings up the potential to poke another hole in funnygurl's claim: she claims to have caught Epi targeting Mac night 1, but she also pads that claim with two other players who are accused of targeting Mac: ted and drago. Both of them are dead and unable to confirm/deny that claim. It immediately becomes Epi's word versus hers, and Epi is Public Enemy #1 before any of this begins. It would be a convoluted play, but not an inconceivable one.

Conclusion:

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:44 pm Hammer time joke that Sloonei stole.

I didn't get it until right now. But that explains well the response.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:45 pm This brings up the potential to poke another hole in funnygurl's claim: she claims to have caught Epi targeting Mac night 1, but she also pads that claim with two other players who are accused of targeting Mac: ted and drago. Both of them are dead and unable to confirm/deny that claim. It immediately becomes Epi's word versus hers, and Epi is Public Enemy #1 before any of this begins. It would be a convoluted play, but not an inconceivable one.

I'm considering it, because the mafia only need one more mislynch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:43 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:42 pm There's a reason for that too.

Because perfection is only lost for sure if you're a civilian and are lynched?

No. Because nobody should ever give a shit about that. Especially people who don't know me.

Every single player has appeared today. The only one not present recently is Tony. If the mafia are in a position right now where they can hammer Epignosis with a quick spurt of votes (if one or neither of Sloonei and Long Con are mafia), then the only thing preventing that right this moment would have to be a mafia Tony.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:49 pm Every single player has appeared today. The only one not present recently is Tony. If the mafia are in a position right now where they can hammer Epignosis with a quick spurt of votes (if one or neither of Sloonei and Long Con are mafia), then the only thing preventing that right this moment would have to be a mafia Tony.

What about people not understanding what the fuck a hammer vote consists of?

switched to no kill to prevent against hammer rushing

Everyone needs to keep a hawk eye on the poll at all times. It only takes a moment of coordination. Dizzy and I took advantage as mafia to win Currents.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:51 pm switched to no kill to prevent against hammer rushing

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine to prevent No lynch from itself being hammered

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:49 pm Every single player has appeared today. The only one not present recently is Tony. If the mafia are in a position right now where they can hammer Epignosis with a quick spurt of votes (if one or neither of Sloonei and Long Con are mafia), then the only thing preventing that right this moment would have to be a mafia Tony.

What about people not understanding what the fuck a hammer vote consists of?

That applies to nobody in this game.

I changed my vote too. It occurred me to that if Funnygirl has a claim against and I know I'm not lying, then I need to think about that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:49 pm Every single player has appeared today. The only one not present recently is Tony. If the mafia are in a position right now where they can hammer Epignosis with a quick spurt of votes (if one or neither of Sloonei and Long Con are mafia), then the only thing preventing that right this moment would have to be a mafia Tony.

What about people not understanding what the fuck a hammer vote consists of?

That applies to nobody in this game.

Not true. I do not know shit about hammer voting.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm I changed my vote too. It occurred me to that if Funnygirl has a claim against and I know I'm not lying, then I need to think about that.

I don't know what you mean.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:51 pm switched to no kill to prevent against hammer rushing

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine to prevent No lynch from itself being hammered

is that a possibility?

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:51 pm switched to no kill to prevent against hammer rushing

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine to prevent No lynch from itself being hammered

Can that happen?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:49 pm Every single player has appeared today. The only one not present recently is Tony. If the mafia are in a position right now where they can hammer Epignosis with a quick spurt of votes (if one or neither of Sloonei and Long Con are mafia), then the only thing preventing that right this moment would have to be a mafia Tony.

What about people not understanding what the fuck a hammer vote consists of?

That applies to nobody in this game.

Not true. I do not know shit about hammer voting.

This logic doesn't apply to the player receiving votes.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:51 pm switched to no kill to prevent against hammer rushing

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine to prevent No lynch from itself being hammered

is that a possibility?

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

I almost used Scaredy as well, Twinsie!

I assume it No lynch can be hammered. I don't know. [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]

This is where an unvote option is useful. I get that we don't usually have those in our polls.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:51 pm switched to no kill to prevent against hammer rushing

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine to prevent No lynch from itself being hammered

is that a possibility?

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

I almost used Scaredy as well, Twinsie!

Hammer time!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:49 pm Every single player has appeared today. The only one not present recently is Tony. If the mafia are in a position right now where they can hammer Epignosis with a quick spurt of votes (if one or neither of Sloonei and Long Con are mafia), then the only thing preventing that right this moment would have to be a mafia Tony.

What about people not understanding what the fuck a hammer vote consists of?

That applies to nobody in this game.

Not true. I do not know shit about hammer voting.

Is there a level of complication of which I'm unaware?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm I changed my vote too. It occurred me to that if Funnygirl has a claim against and I know I'm not lying, then I need to think about that.

I don't know what you mean.

It means I'm not going to vote someone without considering other ideas. Jesus. For someone so smart you don't get it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:55 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:51 pm switched to no kill to prevent against hammer rushing

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine to prevent No lynch from itself being hammered

is that a possibility?

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

I almost used Scaredy as well, Twinsie!

Hammer time!

We can't both be MC Hammer.... maybe we can be Milli Vanilli!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm I changed my vote too. It occurred me to that if Funnygirl has a claim against and I know I'm not lying, then I need to think about that.

I don't know what you mean.

It means I'm not going to vote someone without considering other ideas. Jesus. For someone so smart you don't get it.

Consider writing a better sentence next time.

What is there for you to consider about Funnygurl's claim, Epignosis?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:52 pm I changed my vote too. It occurred me to that if Funnygirl has a claim against and I know I'm not lying, then I need to think about that.

I don't know what you mean.

It means I'm not going to vote someone without considering other ideas. Jesus. For someone so smart you don't get it.

I'm gonna allow this since JJJ said this to Epi last game:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:16 pm You mean the mafia team might not be playing optimally? Oh gee. Never saw that one before.

Okay.

There you go.

Stop for a moment.

Breathe.

Reflect.

You're close.

It's not just suboptimal, Epignosis.

It's terrible.

It's fucking moronic.

It's the stuff of idiots.

Okay?

There's no need for the brilliant mafia duet of JJJ and Nanook to play these games instead of just, you know, winning it. The normal way. There wasn't likely to be a ton of resistance to me especially. This shit doesn't make sense. Use your head.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:56 pm What is there for you to consider about Funnygurl's claim, Epignosis?

Plenty. I'm a thinking guy.

I targeted nobody Night 1.

Funnygirl says I targeted Mac.

There's plenty of room for bullshit to have happened to say we're both right. Do you disagree?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:49 pm Every single player has appeared today. The only one not present recently is Tony. If the mafia are in a position right now where they can hammer Epignosis with a quick spurt of votes (if one or neither of Sloonei and Long Con are mafia), then the only thing preventing that right this moment would have to be a mafia Tony.

mafia Tony is reliable

If there's anything that affords Epignosis and I kinship, it's being dickheads.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:54 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.

does a wolf say this about their partner?

I don't see why not. Could even argue that it's TMI that there are four mafia.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:57 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:54 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.

does a wolf say this about their partner?

Does a wolf bring up a team of four?

Clearly, the answer to that is no.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:58 pm Why not?

The flipped wolf considered teams of three. I know I am town, and considered the team of four. It is a joke to some degree, of course, but given nobody had mentioned wolf team size beforehand, it is an interesting case study.

wat

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:11 pm Epi's practically lolcatting.

I'm more concerned with his claim. Why fake it? Why even make it in the first place, especially to lie about it and risk it being countered?

I don't think he's necessarily lying (there may be some mechanic fuckery with FG's n1 result), but I am concerned that the action he has claimed (blocking Sloonei) was anti-town. He is defending it claiming he was genuinely suspicious of Sloonei, but that case was shit/fabricated and Sloonei is basically confirmed town now from the TH kill.


Posting this now still a page behind

"To say we're both right" is a stupid way of putting it. I just mean I targeted Mac and nothing happened. Funnygirl said she saw me target Mac. I'm not lying. Why would she be lying?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:56 pm What is there for you to consider about Funnygurl's claim, Epignosis?

Plenty. I'm a thinking guy.

I targeted nobody Night 1.

Funnygirl says I targeted Mac.

There's plenty of room for bullshit to have happened to say we're both right. Do you disagree?

There's theoretically room for bullshit. I don't know the setup.

I maintain that speedchuck is the right lynch today, if our interlopers are to be trusted.

I seriously need some character claims from some people. [mention]speedchuck[/mention] [mention]Epignosis[/mention] Here’s the defense: it’s role madness and I know nothing about Assassin’s Creed so you’re not losing much.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:58 pm If there's anything that affords Epignosis and I kinship, it's being dickheads.

Fuck you and that pear shaped ass of yours.

Host/spec option can be used to unvote.

I have to step away for a while. I hope we don't have hammer shenanigans.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:00 pm "To say we're both right" is a stupid way of putting it. I just mean I targeted Mac and nothing happened. Funnygirl said she saw me target Mac. I'm not lying. Why would she be lying?

I thought you didn't target mac?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:12 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:11 pm Epi's practically lolcatting.

I'm more concerned with his claim. Why fake it? Why even make it in the first place, especially to lie about it and risk it being countered?

lolcatting?

What does that even mean?

obv!scumming.

No. I'm a civilian who is getting fucked because I got a shitty role that doesn't make any sense and nobody believes it.

You haven't made any attempt to explain it further. Even if you don't understand it, it's legal for you to give us more information. You never even answered my question about Mac's role.

[VOTE: Host/spec option] aubergine

Thanks nanook