The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:42 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:39 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:37 pm Is there a Mr. Grandma Sloon?

YES HIS NAME IS GERALD

I have not been reading the tabloids

So disrespectful...

I morph into a nursing home tomorrow night so dontchyu worry 'bout a thang, bunky

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:41 pm Welcome to the game Con

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:45 pm DEADPOOL 2 WAS AMAZINGGGGGGG. EVERYONE SHOULD GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND GO SEE IT SO THAT DEADPOOL 3 BECOMES A THING

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:46 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:45 pm DEADPOOL 2 WAS AMAZINGGGGGGG. EVERYONE SHOULD GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND GO SEE IT SO THAT DEADPOOL 3 BECOMES A THING

Please mind your language...

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:47 pm And I reserve the right to ask as many questions of as many suspects as I please. It’s called scumhunting. If you don’t like it, boy are you in for a bad time!

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:45 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:44 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:41 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:42 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:36 pm Seriously, though, the scumteams should be actually hunting this game, since there are rogues and another team. Why not let everyone have a go at it? We have 30ish players and nobody has died yet.

This dramatic reduction thing is hogwash. It's just an extra phase worth of players lost, worst case. Best case, it puts mafia under as much pressure as us.

So your preferred scenario is one where mafia members can A. get closer to their win con easier and B. earn town cred by having a better shot at catching an opposing scum? How does that help town? I’m wary about the possibility of a scum catching another one and walking away looking pretty good in players’ eyes, in any lynch. 3 lynches makes that so much easier.

Are you saying we shouldn't lynch mafia because giving credit for opposing mafia is a bad thing?

Like what the hell?

No. I’m saying that speed’s specific rationale here is dangerous.

If that is dangerous, then any rationale that attempts to get scum lynched is dangerous.

At the point the only way to avoid that danger is not signing up for mafia games.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:48 pm DDL and I will never see eye to eye on anything, but in any event I’ve given my warning with full disclosure and if it isn’t heeded there’s nothing more I can do.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:51 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:48 pm DDL and I will never see eye to eye on anything, but in any event I’ve given my warning with full disclosure and if it isn’t heeded there’s nothing more I can do.

Your "revelation" that you made the night poll makes no difference to any decision-making. I raise my eyebrow at those who just changed their vote because you said that. Wolbre? Juliets? What difference does it make? Were we all supposed to be like "Oh GOLDEN made the poll so let's all choose the option he says!"

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:49 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:45 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:44 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:41 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:42 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:36 pm Seriously, though, the scumteams should be actually hunting this game, since there are rogues and another team. Why not let everyone have a go at it? We have 30ish players and nobody has died yet.

This dramatic reduction thing is hogwash. It's just an extra phase worth of players lost, worst case. Best case, it puts mafia under as much pressure as us.

So your preferred scenario is one where mafia members can A. get closer to their win con easier and B. earn town cred by having a better shot at catching an opposing scum? How does that help town? I’m wary about the possibility of a scum catching another one and walking away looking pretty good in players’ eyes, in any lynch. 3 lynches makes that so much easier.

Are you saying we shouldn't lynch mafia because giving credit for opposing mafia is a bad thing?

Like what the hell?

No. I’m saying that speed’s specific rationale here is dangerous.

If that is dangerous, then any rationale that attempts to get scum lynched is dangerous.

At the point the only way to avoid that danger is not signing up for mafia games.

I’m not following you here. Speed seems content to allow scum to get town points by picking each other off and would like them to be able to do so more easily. Of course it’s possible in any lynch, but it’s more possible with 3 at a time and it’s something any townie ought to remain vigilant about.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:51 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:48 pm DDL and I will never see eye to eye on anything, but in any event I’ve given my warning with full disclosure and if it isn’t heeded there’s nothing more I can do.

Your "revelation" that you made the night poll makes no difference to any decision-making. I raise my eyebrow at those who just changed their vote because you said that. Wolbre? Juliets? What difference does it make? Were we all supposed to be like "Oh GOLDEN made the poll so let's all choose the option he says!"

There are negative consequences for option 6, I made that pretty clear.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:49 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:47 pm And I reserve the right to ask as many questions of as many suspects as I please. It’s called scumhunting. If you don’t like it, boy are you in for a bad time!

So am I. You asked a question that was oppurtunistic at best and scummy at worse. I called it out for what it was. I reserve that right too.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:51 pm Points are temporary. Dead baddies are forever.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:54 pm Ok be wilfully blind to what I’m saying then, see if I care, it’s your skin in the game not mine.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:52 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:49 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:45 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:44 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:41 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:42 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:36 pm Seriously, though, the scumteams should be actually hunting this game, since there are rogues and another team. Why not let everyone have a go at it? We have 30ish players and nobody has died yet.

This dramatic reduction thing is hogwash. It's just an extra phase worth of players lost, worst case. Best case, it puts mafia under as much pressure as us.

So your preferred scenario is one where mafia members can A. get closer to their win con easier and B. earn town cred by having a better shot at catching an opposing scum? How does that help town? I’m wary about the possibility of a scum catching another one and walking away looking pretty good in players’ eyes, in any lynch. 3 lynches makes that so much easier.

Are you saying we shouldn't lynch mafia because giving credit for opposing mafia is a bad thing?

Like what the hell?

No. I’m saying that speed’s specific rationale here is dangerous.

If that is dangerous, then any rationale that attempts to get scum lynched is dangerous.

At the point the only way to avoid that danger is not signing up for mafia games.

I’m not following you here. Speed seems content to allow scum to get town points by picking each other off and would like them to be able to do so more easily. Of course it’s possible in any lynch, but it’s more possible with 3 at a time and it’s something any townie ought to remain vigilant about.

So.... you are against scum lynching scum because they might get Civ cred for it? We know about that kind of thing around here, two-mafia-team games are not uncommon.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:57 pm See what I mean dunya? This is how hard I have to work to get people to listen to me. They never will.

On that note, if option 6 wins lynch me tomorrow. I’d be actively harmful to the town if they won’t listen to me.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:57 pm See what I mean dunya? This is how hard I have to work to get people to listen to me. They never will.

On that note, if option 6 wins lynch me tomorrow. I’d be actively harmful to the town if they won’t listen to me.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:58 pm Ok Golden explain why three lynches is a parabola. I understand what that means but I don't get why it is a parabola in the first place.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:00 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:58 pm Ok Golden explain why three lynches is a parabola. I understand what that means but I don't get why it is a parabola in the first place.

I get why it's a parabola, but not why Day 2 of this 30 player game must represent the tailing end of the parabola. Dilluted civilian control is problematic when it can be dictated by mafia influence.

The missing link to the argument against #6 is why we're definitely as that point of dictation right now.

However, numerous votes have been falling on #6 without regard for the dialogue and that isn't ideal. This is where it sucks to have no vision of the voting order.

don't text and drive boy, i need you in one piece

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:01 pm @ColinIsCool, I don't recommend an off-wagon vote here.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:02 pm If I should be voting for option 2, can someone address the fear that it will shift attention away from our most organic suspects that we may not recover

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:00 pm Guys

CFD option #1?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:54 pm Ok be wilfully blind to what I’m saying then, see if I care, it’s your skin in the game not mine.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:58 pm Ok Golden explain why three lynches is a parabola. I understand what that means but I don't get why it is a parabola in the first place.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:05 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:54 pm Ok be wilfully blind to what I’m saying then, see if I care, it’s your skin in the game not mine.

I think it's yours too.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:04 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:00 pm Guys

CFD option #1?

Yes !

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:06 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:05 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:54 pm Ok be wilfully blind to what I’m saying then, see if I care, it’s your skin in the game not mine.

I think it's yours too.

oooohhhh I see what you did there.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:05 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:58 pm Ok Golden explain why three lynches is a parabola. I understand what that means but I don't get why it is a parabola in the first place.

Parabola is probably overly simplistic, but the basic idea is that the benefit increases for a while after ‘1 lynch in a day’ while there is still good enough civ ratios to reliably split but then drops off dramatically the more lynches you add in a day. If we had to lynch 28, I think in practice the chances of us winning would approach 0, because there’s a very high chance each mafia could effectively protect one of their own with careful planning.

I’ve said I’d consider supporting a two lynch day or even a three lynch day later when we know more. Right now, we’re shooting in the dark and offering to spread our civ resources thin, opening the door to more easy manipulation.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:03 pm Yeah, the parabola thing means nothing to me. I can picture an object that curves on a grid, but I don't understand what the x and y axes represent.