The Syndicate

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:34 am I think the chance this game has mafia and neither of them are LC or Ellie is lower than the chance this game has all town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:36 am I think I’d chop Ellie before Long Con. I don’t care for an Esooa chop.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:35 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:34 am I think the chance this game has mafia and neither of them are LC or Ellie is lower than the chance this game has all town

Yeah sorry but that’s nonsense

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:35 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:34 am I think the chance this game has mafia and neither of them are LC or Ellie is lower than the chance this game has all town

Yeah sorry but that’s nonsense

Alison-possibly scum
DaughterOfOmega-possibly scum
DkKoba-town
EllieDelight-possibly scum
Esooa-town
Grogu-possibly scum
JaggedJimmyJay-town
Long Con-possibly scum
MacDougall-town
Made-possibly scum
Michelle-town
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME-town
nutella-town
staypositivefriend-possibly scum
tutuu-town

that leaves us with 7 people who can be possibly scum, including ellie and LC. If we take them out we have

DOOM, Grogu, Made, SPF, Allison

I think a team of these 5 is highly unlikely

what is wrong with this?

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:35 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:34 amthat leaves us with 7 people who can be possibly scum, including ellie and LC. If we take them out we have

DOOM, Grogu, Made, SPF, Allison

I think a team of these 5 is highly unlikely

what is wrong with this?

I don’t find it as unlikely as you seem to, albeit SPF is not in my poe right now. It’s certainly more likely than everyone being town.

Long Con and Ellie are both in my poe anyway, so I think this conversation has run its course

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:39 am Anyone presently around want to protest this as a solve (seven town reads)?

tutuu
nutella
Mac
SPF
Michelle
DkKoba
Nanook

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:45 am SPF 100% could possibly be scum btw

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:47 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:45 am SPF 100% could possibly be scum btw

Could be. Don’t feel it

I think her reads overlap yours quite a lot, if I recall correctly. Watcha beef?

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:47 am if LC is scum who is the team?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:49 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:47 am if LC is scum who is the team?

Grogu is the basic answer. Otherwise I’d be open to arguments people don’t fit with him

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:45 am SPF 100% could possibly be scum btw

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:51 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:45 am SPF 100% could possibly be scum btw

You're so weird.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:49 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:49 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:47 am if LC is scum who is the team?

Grogu is the basic answer. Otherwise I’d be open to arguments people don’t fit with him

and 3rd? Just another PoE'd player or do you think someone (who isn't me cause idc) has equity with him?

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:49 am last scum game I had with spf people thought she was clear cause she hard PoE'd both her partners and voted on one that got lynched day 1, and was also extremely towny all game. I'm not clearing her probably ever lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:54 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:49 am last scum game I had with spf people thought she was clear cause she hard PoE'd both her partners and voted on one that got lynched day 1, and was also extremely towny all game. I'm not clearing her probably ever lol

If she’s mafia I encourage her to bus her heart out

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:56 am I’ve played four games with SPF (3 town, 1 mafia) and read her well each time. The mafia game it took me some time but I got there. So I’m not super fussed even if she is legitimately an all-time great and champs tournament hall of famer

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:57 am she was my top town all game when she was scum I'm scarred ok, I'm scared of her

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:58 am like fred said in the fred movie: scarared (scarred and scared)

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:04 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:58 am like fred said in the fred movie: scarared (scarred and scared)

Things I can't believe:

- that this movie exists
- that you've seen this movie
- that you are quoting this movie

Things I can believe:

- that this movie has a 0% rating on RottenTomatoes.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:46 am @MacDougall you expect me to be tunnely and a loud voice for town every towm game? That's your meta on me? I actually act more in line with this in games that have high post count and strong players. In low power 13er I didn't really push much and I was active in reads but I took a side line to people who I thought would read the game better than me, like cuthalion. This game is in my town range

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:02 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:49 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:48 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:46 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:44 am Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay
tutuu
DkKoba
Grogu
Michelle
nutella
DaughterOfOmega
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
staypositivefriend
Esooa
Alison
Made
EllieDelight
MacDougall

is this a real list

Yes, this is where my belief about the gamestate currently lies.

mac is pretty obviously town and I have no clue how I'm that low if you think Ellie is scum and I'm trying to get her baked over you. Also, explain your DOOM, Grogu, and nutella reads

That's a fine opinion on Joseph, you could be right, I disagree.

You're that low mostly from residual bad feelings from Joseph's analysis of you.

DOOM... I haven't felt bad about, don't really know her at all so it's harder.

Grogu I have always maintained that he's probably town. I think he's simply honest.

nutella is hard to read... she just kind of settled there. I suspect her less than those beneath her.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:15 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:12 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:10 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:07 am Not sure Esooa is trying very hard to understand LC here

I get him not wanting to base his read on me only on how I align with other players but like you realize I am strongly anti-aligned to BOTH his biggest scum reads?

so what? it’s a rainbow list, not a claim that the team is solved. reads in isolation aren’t some crazy thing.

why is he still a town read for you?

idk, maybe that's normal for you or him but I wouldn't ever read a game like this. Like I mean it's fine but, imo, if you're of the opinion that a player in the game is pushing mafia and shielding town, it's probably reasonable to make the conclusion they're town. Even if you're not sure like, this is still where your thoughts are at. I'd assume the read to be more like, "as it currently stands I think Esooa is town," not "I don't really care that they're acting pro-town cause MAYBE THEY:"RE SCUM"

As for why he's a town read, idk. I'm trying to figure him out. And Ellie too. I've seen LC do things that are towny and all I've gotten from Ellie when I accuse her is "I have reasons for this I'm not going to out" which gives me literally nothing so she can die until she does actually explain things

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:18 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:17 am @Esooa why frame your LC read as a comparison to Ellie?

cause I'm straight up not living in a world where they're ever t/t, and I think it's likely they're w/w, along with the fact that if they are none of this matters rn and we're always baking a wolf and can go from there, and I think because of interactions+just both of them being so low in PoE+vote movement they're more likely w/t

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:25 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:22 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:22 amWhy do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

To an uninformed day 1 civilian there is no objective reason why that must be the play. I find your mindset more confusing than Long Con’s.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:27 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:26 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:25 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:22 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:22 amWhy do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

To an uninformed day 1 civilian there is no objective reason why that must be the play. I find your mindset more confusing than Long Con’s.

because I'm playing a game where I make informed decisions, and my informed decision is that if they're t/t I'm not ever getting there today, it's not useful to consider, it's extremely unlikely based on how they've both acted and how people have acted around them, etc etc etc etc there's a million reasons to think this and this is actually the usual way to play mafia

How Ellie acts has had little to no impact on how I have chosen to act. You're talking like there's some connection between us.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:27 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:26 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:25 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:22 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:22 amWhy do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

To an uninformed day 1 civilian there is no objective reason why that must be the play. I find your mindset more confusing than Long Con’s.

because I'm playing a game where I make informed decisions, and my informed decision is that if they're t/t I'm not ever getting there today, it's not useful to consider, it's extremely unlikely based on how they've both acted and how people have acted around them, etc etc etc etc there's a million reasons to think this and this is actually the usual way to play mafia

How Ellie acts has had little to no impact on how I have chosen to act. You're talking like there's some connection between us.

the wagon movement

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:51 pm this is a wild exchange esooa's pov makes perfect sense lmao

like maybe it's slightly extreme to literally not be open to ever considering they're both town, but it's not an inconceivable perspective at all in this gamestate

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:59 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:51 pm this is a wild exchange esooa's pov makes perfect sense lmao

like maybe it's slightly extreme to literally not be open to ever considering they're both town, but it's not an inconceivable perspective at all in this gamestate

It is an inconceivable perspective that I would ever, on day one, believe that one of two people absolutely must be a wolf. I can think it's really likely, and have 20 reasons why, but it would never approach a level like 100% or inconceivable. That kind of thinking is so arrogant and self-important that's it is completely alien to me.

I use those words hoping not to insult, please don't take them negatively, I just can't believe the audacity.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:01 pm LC you should be glad I haven't tunneled someone for believing they're 100% yet mafia yet then. In fact me not doing that is part of Mac's scum read on me