The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 8:56 pm You're good people, lapluie. I'm glad you're playing in this Mafia game.

Agreed. I am giving her a hard time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 8:56 pm You're good people, lapluie. I'm glad you're playing in this Mafia game.

aw thank you! Happy to be here

Just got back. I will work through my billion notifications in reverse (quick) order

I am inclined to stick on Colin. I keenly understand continuing misgivings with Marmot, but the longer I linger here, the more my brain and heart are starting to find peace in my Colin vote. I am skeptical this day phase plays out the way it did if Colin is the doctor. The entire framework of the logic he presented for when and why a claim should come was rife with fallacy, and I am not certain his protests of the claim are always compatible with his being the doctor himself.

I'll be here until the deadline, so keep the arguments coming. It's not an easy choice at all.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 8:29 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:02 pm I am not a “cart-before-horse” style player so I don’t hunt for teammates until I have one confirmed.

But, like, you said before this

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 12:28 pmand it’s why I’m now 100% convinced he’s scum.

I don’t know what this means.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 8:58 pm Just got back. I will work through my billion notifications in reverse (quick) order

Please hurry & make a rainbow list I need to know what you think about everyones position

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:00 pm I don’t know what this means.

You'll find a clearer expression soon. Keep going.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 8:07 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 6:06 pm I am at the gym. If I come back to find myself lynched, tomorrow I will bench press 275 lbs. out of Mafia-inspired rage. I’ll try to be home in time to reply to messages but I can’t guarantee it.

Are you going to be at the gym for 3.5 hours?

Yes.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 8:07 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 6:06 pm I am at the gym. If I come back to find myself lynched, tomorrow I will bench press 275 lbs. out of Mafia-inspired rage. I’ll try to be home in time to reply to messages but I can’t guarantee it.

Are you going to be at the gym for 3.5 hours?

Yes.

ColinIsRipped

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:49 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:37 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:35 pmIt is possible in the metaphysical sense and not much else.

I don't quite understand what you mean by this.

Let's pretend the universe is probabilistic, and that it has been duplicated 1,000,000 times. In how many of those duplicated universes is Marmot Keith Shover?

Much, MUCH fewer than the ones where he’s fake claiming. I would give myself a 95% chance of being right about this and that may be even too generous to Marmot.

In 5% of universes, Colin allows Marmot to be Keith Shover.

Yeah I was pretty damn perplexed when he said that.

I was hoping I could persuade you to my POV without giving myself away. Didn’t work

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:27 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:25 pm I do find it amazing that Quin skimmed and address the suspicions against him but had nothing to say about the Colin/Marmot debate.

So, now you're just as invested in lynching Quin as (from your supposed POV) a confirmed scum!Colin.

Pfffffffffffffffffffft.

Taking a break to say this right here should be all the proof you need. Flailing

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:38 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:58 pm If I am Gladys Campbell, Colin is a dentist.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:58 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:56 pm @ColinIsCool let's make some rabbit stew tomorrow.

Colin, you were the first person to post after Marmot made this Gladys Campbell check claim. If you are Keith Shover, you'd have to know that Marmot was incorrectly labeling you as a dentist. You did nothing with this immediately or at any point thereafter. Why?

I have suspected Marmot the entire game since then, but I’ve been trying to avoid attracting his attention to a degree and I needed to find a way to get him and his teammates lynched without blowing my role. Obviously I failed

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:05 pm I have suspected Marmot the entire game since then, but I’ve been trying to avoid attracting his attention to a degree and I needed to find a way to get him and his teammates lynched without blowing my role. Obviously I failed

How could they have a clue that you're the doctor based on that?

I still think it’s Marmot.

I have decided to be ok with the lynch no matter what though. Worst case it is info and 2 or 1 try at least.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:05 pm I have suspected Marmot the entire game since then, but I’ve been trying to avoid attracting his attention to a degree and I needed to find a way to get him and his teammates lynched without blowing my role. Obviously I failed

This checks out.

This is hard to believe.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:06 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:05 pm I have suspected Marmot the entire game since then, but I’ve been trying to avoid attracting his attention to a degree and I needed to find a way to get him and his teammates lynched without blowing my role. Obviously I failed

How could they have a clue that you're the doctor based on that?

I’m not saying they’ll think I’m a doctor but that they would nightkill me if I was too vocal and that would be pretty bad for town. Idk maybe it was paranoid of me and I could’ve handled it better but it’s the truth.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:09 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:05 pm I have suspected Marmot the entire game since then, but I’ve been trying to avoid attracting his attention to a degree and I needed to find a way to get him and his teammates lynched without blowing my role. Obviously I failed

This checks out.

This is hard to believe.

I do agree with this though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:02 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 8:07 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 6:06 pm I am at the gym. If I come back to find myself lynched, tomorrow I will bench press 275 lbs. out of Mafia-inspired rage. I’ll try to be home in time to reply to messages but I can’t guarantee it.

Are you going to be at the gym for 3.5 hours?

Yes.

ColinIsRipped

I wish

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 12:54 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 12:54 pm I’m not frustrated. I’m confident that I’ve got your number here.

I've an exercise for you.

~ If Marmot is a lying mafioso, who is his teammate?

~ If Marmot is being truthful, who are the two mafia?

I am not a “cart-before-horse” style player so I don’t hunt for teammates until I have one confirmed. And I don’t have time right now for a complete ISO but I did see interactions between he and Dizzy that felt strange on his end. I would have to do an analysis on Dizzy’s posts to guarantee that.

I don’t think Marmot is being truthful, but my bad feeling about lap persists (especially because the night and day difference I saw was actually a game where she was civ.)

If you're Keith Shover, you had one confirmed.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:06 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:05 pm I have suspected Marmot the entire game since then, but I’ve been trying to avoid attracting his attention to a degree and I needed to find a way to get him and his teammates lynched without blowing my role. Obviously I failed

How could they have a clue that you're the doctor based on that?

I’m not saying they’ll think I’m a doctor but that they would nightkill me if I was too vocal and that would be pretty bad for town. Idk maybe it was paranoid of me and I could’ve handled it better but it’s the truth.

If you’re actually PT: Lynching scum is so much more important than staying alive. The self-pres as PT is bs most of the time.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:10 pm I do agree with this though.

Our fake claim with FZ in Currents was so clean and tidy. What even is this shit?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:12 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 12:54 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 12:54 pm I’m not frustrated. I’m confident that I’ve got your number here.

I've an exercise for you.

~ If Marmot is a lying mafioso, who is his teammate?

~ If Marmot is being truthful, who are the two mafia?

I am not a “cart-before-horse” style player so I don’t hunt for teammates until I have one confirmed. And I don’t have time right now for a complete ISO but I did see interactions between he and Dizzy that felt strange on his end. I would have to do an analysis on Dizzy’s posts to guarantee that.

I don’t think Marmot is being truthful, but my bad feeling about lap persists (especially because the night and day difference I saw was actually a game where she was civ.)

If you're Keith Shover, you had one confirmed.

I see what you’re saying but I’ve been trying. It’s been a really fine line to balance that idea with the other cases in the thread and like I said I was probably too paranoid for my own good.

Oh, Quin changed to Colin.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:12 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:06 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:05 pm I have suspected Marmot the entire game since then, but I’ve been trying to avoid attracting his attention to a degree and I needed to find a way to get him and his teammates lynched without blowing my role. Obviously I failed

How could they have a clue that you're the doctor based on that?

I’m not saying they’ll think I’m a doctor but that they would nightkill me if I was too vocal and that would be pretty bad for town. Idk maybe it was paranoid of me and I could’ve handled it better but it’s the truth.

If you’re actually PT: Lynching scum is so much more important than staying alive. The self-pres as PT is bs most of the time.

I thought I could do both. I was wrong. And I apologize.

Did quin leave a vote on colin & leave or was it there this entire time ?

You guys really don’t want to do this. Idk what else I can say in the time left but if I missed anything please requote it

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:16 pm Oh, Quin changed to Colin.

Right... now I'm thinking we should vote for marmot

I think it’s Marmot. Final answer for me. You all do what you feel is right.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:15 pm I see what you’re saying but I’ve been trying. It’s been a really fine line to balance that idea with the other cases in the thread and like I said I was probably too paranoid for my own good.

I'm not sure that follows from my assertion, so I will be clearer:

When I asked you to name a teammate of Marmot in the event that Marmot is a lying mafioso, you opened your response by telling me that you don't like to put the cart before the horse, and that you need confirmation before digging.

If you are Keith Shover, then you know with 100% certainty that Marmot is a lying mafioso, which means you didn't need to put the cart before the horse. You only needed to name a teammate. That doesn't expose anything.

How do you justify this?

I'm clear to continue.

Give me a moment to process.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:17 pm You guys really don’t want to do this. Idk what else I can say in the time left but if I missed anything please requote it

Could you share a quick rainbow list pls

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:18 pm I'm clear to continue.

Give me a moment to process.

The deadline is in 11 minutes, so please move as quickly as you can.

Well damn I have ten minutes.

I think one is telling the truth and the other can't be lynched. That's my view. I think this is a calculated move to burn a lynch, and it has the upside to burn a civilian ability.

[mention]Quin[/mention] so youre just gonna sneak a vote & leave aren't you

Leave them both alive. The liar should be figured out in a relatively straightforward way.

I didn’t want to say that Marmot was confirmed to me because then you would all know how I know or put it together. And I think I made a pretty good argument against him, apparently nobody else does, but I believed in it and I thought it would work

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:22 pm Leave them both alive. The liar should be figured out in a relatively straightforward way.

No. We need a lynch.

I want to know what nutella was doing with me the other day. I don't understand.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:23 pm

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:22 pm Leave them both alive. The liar should be figured out in a relatively straightforward way.

No. We need a lynch.

Take your pick. There's a host of people to lynch. Which one beside Marmot or Colin is bad?

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:22 pm Leave them both alive. The liar should be figured out in a relatively straightforward way.

Who do you think should be lynched instead?

My impression has been that the urgency they've both displayed is evidence that they really don't want to be lynched (and thus can be lynched).

lapluie wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:22 pm @Quin so youre just gonna sneak a vote & leave aren't you

this is the most ironic thing i have ever read

lapluie wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:18 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:17 pm You guys really don’t want to do this. Idk what else I can say in the time left but if I missed anything please requote it

Could you share a quick rainbow list pls

Feel good about Jay, Scotty, Charlie, and better about you with the claim. Nutella is townish but not as confident. My POE for Marmot’s teammate would be Dizzy, Quin

Quin wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:24 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:22 pm @Quin so youre just gonna sneak a vote & leave aren't you

this is the most ironic thing i have ever read

I don't want ur sass

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:24 pm

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:22 pm Leave them both alive. The liar should be figured out in a relatively straightforward way.

Who do you think should be lynched instead?

My impression has been that the urgency they've both displayed is evidence that they really don't want to be lynched (and thus can be lynched).

My pick would be Quin, but I've been in a slump.

If you get ejected but don't get ejected, you're caught. The urgency is necessary regardless.

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:22 pm Leave them both alive. The liar should be figured out in a relatively straightforward way.

If votes stay the same , it's up to you who decides who gets lynched, Colin or marmot?

Can we lynch Marmot?

4 minutes you guys. Come on

Tell you what. Everybody stay where they are.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Gives Marmot the lead and creates an option. This took five fucking years to load though so I may not have time.

Idk if a tie is good or not but you need to decide