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Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:51 pm
by ColinIsCool
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:48 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:47 pm Mac you should know activity from me is NAI at best. Come on.
Is activity the same as effort? Have you given an effort?
Yes, when I’m able to be active, I will give an effort. Beyond reading the thread, nope.

Shoot me if you must, I’m in the PoEs, but I know I’m not scum and have 2 other items to give, so ...

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:51 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:51 pm Well, I haven't done much in this game, obviously, but simultaneously thank you and you're welcome, nutella! :noble: I have not read past this point at this time.
I'm about to shoot another one. Gimme a name.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:52 pm
by ColinIsCool
If you do shoot me, lemme tell you who I gave the gun to first and then go ahead. If you’re serious. Could be meaningful that they haven’t shot it, could not.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:53 pm
by Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:51 pm
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:51 pm Well, I haven't done much in this game, obviously, but simultaneously thank you and you're welcome, nutella! :noble: I have not read past this point at this time.
I'm about to shoot another one. Gimme a name.
Geez. See, I was tuned into the leetic suspicion from back when you (?) put a little somthin' together about them and it really fit the bill (although was it to be on DDL's team?)

I am pretty weak in saying Jack, but I do recall liking him in the same logic-arena that identified leetic. Around the same time, I remember thinking "yeah, Jack, Epi, leetic". So Jack.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:55 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:53 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:51 pm
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:51 pm Well, I haven't done much in this game, obviously, but simultaneously thank you and you're welcome, nutella! :noble: I have not read past this point at this time.
I'm about to shoot another one. Gimme a name.
Geez. See, I was tuned into the leetic suspicion from back when you (?) put a little somthin' together about them and it really fit the bill (although was it to be on DDL's team?)

I am pretty weak in saying Jack, but I do recall liking him in the same logic-arena that identified leetic. Around the same time, I remember thinking "yeah, Jack, Epi, leetic". So Jack.
You're hunting for an extinct team, my dude. It was DDL, Epi, and leetic.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:55 pm
by novaselinenever
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:39 pm @novaselinenever why do you suspect your non-nutella suspects?
Long Con's been very blendy since he showed up, he has a post of quotes that he responded that pinged me due to what appears to be a random selections of quotes to respond. His "isn't it a mafia team and an indie team" is rubbing me wrong, it came out of nowhere (see random wall of quotes) and seems pretty fake. He showed up earlier with a very questionable votes on Poutanko, and hasn't shown up since. His early obsession of the tinkle box isn't helping either.

There is something about Speedchuck's shitposting that isn't ringing genuine, and he hasn't really done anything that pinged me in a civ fashion. His obsessions with shooting is overdone, and it seems to be his intent honestly. Perhaps going for too obvious, and milking that "having fun/don't care attitude". I didn't like how he got caught up with Sabie's claim, especially how he apparently agreed with Jay that it's a town ping. It seemed like some shade throwing, and a little too sharp for someone that is apparently just out here to have fun and shoot.

DF and Quin are meh just like DDL. Few stuff pinged me and there isn't anything that'd warrant them civ points.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:55 pm
by Sloonei
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:53 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:51 pm
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:51 pm Well, I haven't done much in this game, obviously, but simultaneously thank you and you're welcome, nutella! :noble: I have not read past this point at this time.
I'm about to shoot another one. Gimme a name.
Geez. See, I was tuned into the leetic suspicion from back when you (?) put a little somthin' together about them and it really fit the bill (although was it to be on DDL's team?)

I am pretty weak in saying Jack, but I do recall liking him in the same logic-arena that identified leetic. Around the same time, I remember thinking "yeah, Jack, Epi, leetic". So Jack.
leetic's death eliminated this team. Jack was not on it. He's also claimed granny since then.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:56 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
I'm glad sprit's here so we won't lose a bunch of time.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:56 pm
by novaselinenever
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:52 pm If you do shoot me, lemme tell you who I gave the gun to first and then go ahead. If you’re serious. Could be meaningful that they haven’t shot it, could not.
Don't shoot this man. Let him shitpost.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:57 pm
by Sloonei
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:51 pm
nutella wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:18 pm Ok whatevs if I die I die

SHOOT Leetic
Well, I haven't done much in this game, obviously, but simultaneously thank you and you're welcome, nutella! :noble: I have not read past this point at this time.
Is this a role claim?

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:58 pm
by Long Con
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:57 pm
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:51 pm
nutella wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:18 pm Ok whatevs if I die I die

SHOOT Leetic
Well, I haven't done much in this game, obviously, but simultaneously thank you and you're welcome, nutella! :noble: I have not read past this point at this time.
Is this a role claim?
Yes, I gave nutella that excellent gun.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:00 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:01 pm Based purely on my gut perspectives of players:

novaselinenever
sabie12
Jackofhearts2005
Sloonei
MacDougall
Long Con
ColinIsCool
poutanko


speedchuck
nutella
Lunalee
DFaraday
Quin
AudreyTheTattleTail
Consider this a legacy. I know it's not much, sorry, and please be vigilant in all assessments of the green zone as well as the red. I have to get out of here though. I cannot focus on any of my work, and this is a major cause. Thanks for your understanding, and may god have mercy on us all.

nova just did a nice job summarizing the problems with speedchuck -- I agree with all of them. Refer to that pending the flip. If Long Con gave nutella a gun (appears that way if I interpret correctly), that is a considerable point in his favor. It'd take counterclaim(s) from two others claiming to give her guns to shake that. [linki: yes, affirmed, moving LC to green and swapping nutella down.]

Shoot [speedchuck]

[mention]sprityo[/mention]

LOCKING THREAD.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:02 pm
by sprityo
A SHOT RINGS OUT

NO ONE HAS DIED, POLLS HAVE NOT RESET

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:03 pm
by sprityo
resume

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:03 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Bleh. I lost my vest, so the gun was fake. I was not sabotaged.

I'm out of here for the night anyway. Get it, gang.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:05 pm
by Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:03 pm Bleh. I lost my vest, so the gun was fake. I was not sabotaged.

I'm out of here for the night anyway. Get it, gang.
I mean, you were. But not completely.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:06 pm
by Sloonei
sprityo wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:03 pmresume
thread's still locked.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:07 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Sorry unlocked

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:07 pm
by novaselinenever
That's the fake gun out for the day

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:08 pm
by Long Con
novaselinenever wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:39 pm @novaselinenever why do you suspect your non-nutella suspects?
Long Con's been very blendy since he showed up, he has a post of quotes that he responded that pinged me due to what appears to be a random selections of quotes to respond.
I was responding to things as I caught up, copy-pasting the quotes into one convenient post.
His "isn't it a mafia team and an indie team" is rubbing me wrong, it came out of nowhere (see random wall of quotes) and seems pretty fake.

It's not fake. There are 14 Civs, and two teams of 3. There is also a reference to an Independent alignment. You tell me were the Indy is then?
He showed up earlier with a very questionable votes on Poutanko, and hasn't shown up since. His early obsession of the tinkle box isn't helping either.
Keep your tinkle box to yourself. :nicenod: Also "obsession"???????????????????? Because I asked about it once?

I changed my mind. JJJ, shoot this man.

Lock-linki: Oh well, fake anyway. Awkward for you now though!

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:08 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:52 am
poutanko wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:26 amI gave a vest to Jay last night. I'm Blacksmith.
Checks out.
poutanko's vest wasn't fake.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:09 pm
by Long Con
*where

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:09 pm
by novaselinenever
We only have 2 real guns accounted for so far, and an unclaimed third.

Linki - :scared:

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:10 pm
by Sloonei
[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] You survived a firing squad. How does that make you feel?

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:12 pm
by novaselinenever
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:08 pm
novaselinenever wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:39 pm @novaselinenever why do you suspect your non-nutella suspects?
Long Con's been very blendy since he showed up, he has a post of quotes that he responded that pinged me due to what appears to be a random selections of quotes to respond.
I was responding to things as I caught up, copy-pasting the quotes into one convenient post.
His "isn't it a mafia team and an indie team" is rubbing me wrong, it came out of nowhere (see random wall of quotes) and seems pretty fake.

It's not fake. There are 14 Civs, and two teams of 3. There is also a reference to an Independent alignment. You tell me were the Indy is then?
He showed up earlier with a very questionable votes on Poutanko, and hasn't shown up since. His early obsession of the tinkle box isn't helping either.
Keep your tinkle box to yourself. :nicenod: Also "obsession"???????????????????? Because I asked about it once?

I changed my mind. JJJ, shoot this man.

Lock-linki: Oh well, fake anyway. Awkward for you now though!
The indies aren't there anymore. There are 14 civs, and 2 Mafia teams of 3. Not anymore though.

When it's first thing one asks about, that is obsession lol.

Why would anyone shoot me? I'm good :noble:

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:12 pm
by novaselinenever
Colin, I think it might be helpful to out the gun owner if they aren't coming out of their own accord.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:15 pm
by Quin
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:52 am
poutanko wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:26 amI gave a vest to Jay last night. I'm Blacksmith.
Checks out.
poutanko's vest wasn't fake.
That would suggest pout is town, yes?

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:16 pm
by speedchuck
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:10 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

@speedchuck You survived a firing squad. How does that make you feel?
Holy crap I did?

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:17 pm
by Long Con
Quin wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:52 am
poutanko wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:26 amI gave a vest to Jay last night. I'm Blacksmith.
Checks out.
poutanko's vest wasn't fake.
That would suggest pout is town, yes?
Is there some weird thing where JJJ and pout could manufacture this as baddie teammates?

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:18 pm
by Long Con
novaselinenever wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:12 pmThe indies aren't there anymore. There are 14 civs, and 2 Mafia teams of 3. Not anymore though.
What do you mean? It was a role that got cut, but was still referenced in the rules?

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:19 pm
by novaselinenever
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:17 pm
Quin wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:52 am
poutanko wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:26 amI gave a vest to Jay last night. I'm Blacksmith.
Checks out.
poutanko's vest wasn't fake.
That would suggest pout is town, yes?
Is there some weird thing where JJJ and pout could manufacture this as baddie teammates?
The shooting can't be faked. It happened, so unless Speed had a vest and was informed he lost it, JJJ received a fake gun and was saved by a vest.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:19 pm
by Sloonei
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:17 pm
Quin wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:52 am
poutanko wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:26 amI gave a vest to Jay last night. I'm Blacksmith.
Checks out.
poutanko's vest wasn't fake.
That would suggest pout is town, yes?
Is there some weird thing where JJJ and pout could manufacture this as baddie teammates?
That would require a lot of good fortune and seems too convoluted to be true.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:19 pm
by novaselinenever
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:18 pm
novaselinenever wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:12 pmThe indies aren't there anymore. There are 14 civs, and 2 Mafia teams of 3. Not anymore though.
What do you mean? It was a role that got cut, but was still referenced in the rules?
The setup was altered to accommodate 20 players instead of 25. There were 2 SKs previously.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:21 pm
by novaselinenever
I present to you this PoE,

Nutella
Speedchuck
Sloonei
Audrey
Quin
DFaraday

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:22 pm
by MacDougall
Why is the fact that nutella has ignored Nova's advances been blown away. Does nobody else find that completely incompatible with what is known about town nutella?

Town nutella in my mind would be furious at Nova and coming for his head no?

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:22 pm
by MacDougall
novaselinenever wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:21 pm I present to you this PoE,

Nutella
Speedchuck
Sloonei
Audrey
Quin
DFaraday
I am 99.9% sure that Audrey is a civ.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:22 pm
by Sloonei
speedchuck wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:10 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

@speedchuck You survived a firing squad. How does that make you feel?
Holy crap I did?
You did indeed. Was it a good decision to shoot you?

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:23 pm
by MacDougall
Nova why is Colin out of your POE?

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:24 pm
by Sloonei
MacDougall wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:22 pm Why is the fact that nutella has ignored Nova's advances been blown away. Does nobody else find that completely incompatible with what is known about town nutella?

Town nutella in my mind would be furious at Nova and coming for his head no?
Her response to this accusation before Gun Fever took over looked pretty timid.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:24 pm
by speedchuck
novaselinenever wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:55 pm There is something about Speedchuck's shitposting that isn't ringing genuine, and he hasn't really done anything that pinged me in a civ fashion. His obsessions with shooting is overdone, and it seems to be his intent honestly. Perhaps going for too obvious, and milking that "having fun/don't care attitude". I didn't like how he got caught up with Sabie's claim, especially how he apparently agreed with Jay that it's a town ping. It seemed like some shade throwing, and a little too sharp for someone that is apparently just out here to have fun and shoot.

DF and Quin are meh just like DDL. Few stuff pinged me and there isn't anything that'd warrant them civ points.
I was apparently shot for this post.

Look here, yo. I straight-up joined this game to shoot people and be shot at by people. I had no intention of surviving the hail of gunfire that I hoped would happen D2. Everything else I've posted has been reactionary, except for occasional insightfulness. I was one of the first on DDL, just from the feel of the thread, and that's more hunting than I thought I would do in this game.

In other words, I have no intention of changing. I am firmly latched to the "having fun/don't care" teet. :nicenod:

linki: I didn't have a vest, btw, if that's any help toward figuring out the game.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:24 pm
by MacDougall
I would say that with the amount of characters present that now would be a good time to do trustfall and/or GTH.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:24 pm
by MacDougall
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:22 pm Why is the fact that nutella has ignored Nova's advances been blown away. Does nobody else find that completely incompatible with what is known about town nutella?

Town nutella in my mind would be furious at Nova and coming for his head no?
Her response to this accusation before Gun Fever took over looked pretty timid.
Timid = what?

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:26 pm
by Long Con
I'm going to leave a vote on Nova for now.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:27 pm
by Sloonei
MacDougall wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:22 pm Why is the fact that nutella has ignored Nova's advances been blown away. Does nobody else find that completely incompatible with what is known about town nutella?

Town nutella in my mind would be furious at Nova and coming for his head no?
Her response to this accusation before Gun Fever took over looked pretty timid.
Timid = what?
Bad

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:29 pm
by novaselinenever
MacDougall wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:23 pm Nova why is Colin out of your POE?
His claim. Not only do I believe it due to the context surrounding, I'm taking it at face value 'cause if he's lying he's going to get caught. Guns can be accounted for easily especially since he claimed having gifted one to a living player.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:31 pm
by novaselinenever
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:26 pm I'm going to leave a vote on Nova for now.
Lame.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:33 pm
by MacDougall
novaselinenever wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:23 pm Nova why is Colin out of your POE?
His claim. Not only do I believe it due to the context surrounding, I'm taking it at face value 'cause if he's lying he's going to get caught. Guns can be accounted for easily especially since he claimed having gifted one to a living player.
And Long Con?

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:33 pm
by Long Con
novaselinenever wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:31 pm
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:26 pm I'm going to leave a vote on Nova for now.
Lame.
I think you saw me as an easy mark. "Obsession" pushed the phony case too far though.

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:36 pm
by MacDougall
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:33 pm
novaselinenever wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:31 pm
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:26 pm I'm going to leave a vote on Nova for now.
Lame.
I think you saw me as an easy mark. "Obsession" pushed the phony case too far though.
but
novaselinenever wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:21 pm I present to you this PoE,

Nutella
Speedchuck
Sloonei
Audrey
Quin
DFaraday

Re: World Flags Mafia [Day2] Despair Rising

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:37 pm
by Long Con
MacDougall wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:36 pm
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:33 pm
novaselinenever wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:31 pm
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:26 pm I'm going to leave a vote on Nova for now.
Lame.
I think you saw me as an easy mark. "Obsession" pushed the phony case too far though.
but
novaselinenever wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:21 pm I present to you this PoE,

Nutella
Speedchuck
Sloonei
Audrey
Quin
DFaraday
Yeah. Been on my ass all game, then backs off when I call him out on his phony case. :shrug: Doesn't look good to me.