The Syndicate

I will be catching up throughout today.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:27 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:18 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:15 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:13 pm I have bourbon and opinions. Both of them are neat.

I implore you to share one of these with the thread. The choice is yours.

What's your address for the bourbon?

Buffalo

Perfect. I'll send you a Bill.

I think you’ve had enough.

Haven't the Bills had enough?

Boom.

The league hasn't had enough.

Sloonei is very unlikely to be a Speedster.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 11:25 pm how did my own post linki me

Lux softing the Flash.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 9:52 am

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 11:25 pm how did my own post linki me

Lux softing the Flash.

All I've got right now are people I don't suspect, and the list is rather small.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 11:36 pm “I can think of no incentive for speedsters to kill sabie”

Like okay maybe if it wasnt you Sloonei saying that I would believe it but

With the day 0 discussion about cults and then deathstroke and then the out of place push by sprityo with little else but “trust me I got this”

Like obviously scum is gonna want an extra kill they cant control out of their way, especially one that cant win with them

So like, i kinda doubt you wouldnt have figured that out yourself

When you have a team of 2, you will take sk shots that will likely hit other players.

Sloonei didn’t want Sabie dead. So maybe he’s in the LoA but surely not the group that killed Sabie.

The speedsters might have targeted the sker I’d say, you were calling the shots.

Ugh autocorrect

“if say” not “I’d say”

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 11:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 11:24 pm Voted: Funnygirl555

Hey also why this

Epi sure is all over the place on if he’d lynch a new player.

I’m thinking his excuse for not voting Cooler is nonsense and he’s a zoom.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 11:42 pm The fucking speedy team is not SAVING their end the day shit. There's another team and people who can kill or ID them.

This is a legitimate place where you lynch inactives and replacements.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Somebody tell me hypocracy is a staple of the townie playbook so I can tell them to shove it.

Stepping out. Still more catching up to do.

The rule is not voting for a new player on day 1

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 12:14 am my best guess is HARRY or Prometheus

On no you’re going to get retconned.

I'm liking nutella less today. For all the tunneling on Sloonei I'd expect a little more effort spent in it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:07 am The rule is not voting for a new player on day 1

Funnygirl just replaced in. This is her D1.

Epi also said that he’s lynch Cooler on D1.

He’s lying when he said he doesn’t vote new players D1.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:08 am I'm liking nutella less today. For all the tunneling on Sloonei I'd expect a little more effort spent in it.

There’s absolutely no teeth to her accusations and she’s the other acceptable lynch today apart from Epi.

I need to hire a post editor if you know a good one.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 12:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 8:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 8:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 5:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 4:54 pm Sloonei you appear to be making no sense.

Which part of “I want sprityo to post more” is confusing?

The part where you townread Sabie or think Sprityo might be scum.

I townread sabie on Day 1. I consider the possibility that sprit is bad because all players can be bad. He’s not currently doing anything. I dislike that.

Like damn this post is so bad lol. "Because all players can be bad" yeah okay great [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

Legit voting for Sloonei for defending the gd serial killer.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:09 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:07 am The rule is not voting for a new player on day 1

Funnygirl just replaced in. This is her D1.

Epi also said that he’s lynch Cooler on D1.

He’s lying when he said he doesn’t vote new players D1.

Bro there is about 1% chance of success in trying to accuse Epi is lying about something he does independently of games.

You are accusing him of lying irl.

Heck, that alone probably makes it NAI.

You are wasting your time.

You know who has no teeth? Mac.

Discuss.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 2:06 am You guys have sincerely sapped my energy. Everything I say in this game is bad. I’ll still hunt, but fuck responding to these suspicions. It’s not going to help anything.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:14 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:09 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:07 am The rule is not voting for a new player on day 1

Funnygirl just replaced in. This is her D1.

Epi also said that he’s lynch Cooler on D1.

He’s lying when he said he doesn’t vote new players D1.

Bro there is about 1% chance of success in trying to accuse Epi is lying about something he does independently of games.

You are accusing him of lying irl.

Heck, that alone probably makes it NAI.

You are wasting your time.

No, I’m accusing him of distancing from Cooler, not voting Cooler, lying about why he didn’t lynch Cooler and now trying to get a free off-team lynch on Funnygirl or Daisy when he doesn’t have inactive teammates.

That is 100% in game.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:15 am You know who has no teeth? Mac.

Discuss.

NSFW

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 2:25 am awesome, thanks! nice to know that i have time

ALSO HI NUTELLA YOU PLAYED WITH DBP AND MIKEY!!! i'm from FFR

Give DarkManticore a kiss for me, would ya?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:09 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:07 am The rule is not voting for a new player on day 1

Funnygirl just replaced in. This is her D1.

Epi also said that he’s lynch Cooler on D1.

He’s lying when he said he doesn’t vote new players D1.

This is not anyone's Day 1.

You're not even trying.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:19 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:14 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:09 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:07 am The rule is not voting for a new player on day 1

Funnygirl just replaced in. This is her D1.

Epi also said that he’s lynch Cooler on D1.

He’s lying when he said he doesn’t vote new players D1.

Bro there is about 1% chance of success in trying to accuse Epi is lying about something he does independently of games.

You are accusing him of lying irl.

Heck, that alone probably makes it NAI.

You are wasting your time.

No, I’m accusing him of distancing from Cooler, not voting Cooler, lying about why he didn’t lynch Cooler and now trying to get a free off-team lynch on Funnygirl or Daisy when he doesn’t have inactive teammates.

That is 100% in game.

Yeah no I'm not accusing Epi of lying about something he says he does independently of games.

If you think he's being an hypocrite then go ahead but that's not some scum slip you just caught.

DDL smart.

Maybe there hasn't been a convenient situation for Reverse Flash to end the day yet. Maybe when Reverse Flash is in the thread, it has either been himself or a teammate with the most votes (earlier in the day), or someone else is going to get lynched (later in the day). Of course, we lynched Cooler. One could probably go through the timeline of that lynch and make a short list of players who are not on the Evil Speedsters team, due to the fact that it wasn't used to save Cooler.

Or Epi is an Evil Speedster who wants to use this angle to lynch a few inactives instead of his own team.... but really what is that? Cooler's already gone, so it would be Ep and one other. Epi is not in danger of being lynched right now, so that leaves the other. I don't see Epi scrambling for a "lynch inactives" scheme just to avoid using a one-shot power. I think Epi is legit in his theory.

If RF is dead, it was speedchuck or juliets. Charles was offed by a civilian, so it might've been him.

Though speedchuck being Reverse Flash does seem a bit on the nose. Heh.

Yes, if RF had been in play, locking in a Matahari lynch would have been an ideal way to recover from the Day 1 loss.

I want to consider the sabie kill. She was lit up like Bonnie and Clyde.

That's strange, isn't it? If you're on the even Night killing team, you have to be aware that sabie is a major suspect for quite a few people, and that some were openly calling for Robin Hood to do her in.

So why submit her name? Why not pick someone else?

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]
You think this is bullshit?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:00 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:47 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:41 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:34 pm Matahari, if you want me to quote you, please don't use the mention feature- it messes with my browser. I know you don't know that though. I do read everything and will respond.

Why do you think Nutella is good?

No reason to think she's bad. I'm not persuaded by Sloonei's thing. It looks good, but it isn't convincing.

Is Cooler bad because he would be posting if he was good?

I don't know Cooler from Adam. Why would him posting more make him good? What a strange question to ask.

Is Sloonei good because he is always pushy when town? Is he different when bad?

Sloonei being a civilian has nothing to do with pushiness. Again, this is a strange question.

sorry about your browser!

You have Cooler down as bad in your list. But last I looked, he only had one post. So I’m not sure why you find him bad.

About Sloonei- I thought you said something earlier about his level of play, but I might be thinking of someone else.

Cooler would be my default lynch if I had no opinions about anything else.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:25 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:21 pm Damn guys I wanted to be a good host.

Sure there was a 70% chance of Cooler joining the ranks of the NF people who come here to be inactive in the first game, but hope is the last one to die.

I have a longstanding rule of not voting for new people in their first game Day 1, so I was never going to vote there anyway.

Right right. Nothing weird about these two posts.

If I’m tunneling, somebody show me Epi refusing to lynch a new player D1 in other games.

Whatever.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine and I’ll just worry about Epi later.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:48 am If I’m tunneling, somebody show me Epi refusing to lynch a new player D1 in other games.

Your accusation of me is that I'm Cooler's teammate on the basis that I called him suspicious and a worthy lynch candidate but held to my principle that I don't vote new people Day 1.

How is that still not leaving him in the lurch?

Am I so inept that I could not have convinced Sloonei to lead a lynch on someone else?

So, I'm also bothered by the apparent lack of talk about Creature this game.

I was just looking at his posts. He was active until Wednesday evening. It's Saturday now.

He might have said "F this forum" when he was mislynched in the other game.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:48 am If I’m tunneling, somebody show me Epi refusing to lynch a new player D1 in other games.

Not interested in that digging, but my last post gave some reasons why it's not likely Epi is on Cooler's team, because I don't think he'd go on about inactives not ending the day early, while he himself is on that team. Just seems bush-league. Unless Epi is Savitar, and Reverse Flash is an inactive, AND teammates can't send in their teammates' powers.

Then he could, in frustration, deciee to make the best of a bad situation and get some cred for bussing his inactive teammate. But he's have to know that cred, in 'multiball', only goes so far... and could easily draw the ire of the League for the perceived Civ cred.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 11:22 am He might have said "F this forum" when he was mislynched in the other game.

Oh.

Something interesting is afoot

And now, I shall try

In a bit, on vacation

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 8:26 pm
Thea Queen
She may start out as Oliver's spoiled little sister, but she proves to be quite deadly under the right circumstances. The first time she is targeted for a night kill, it rebounds on the killer.

This is what I was referring to when I said I could see no incentive for the Speedsters to target Sabie. I would guess that she targeted Thea and hit herself instead.

So now I have to wonder whether Lux is completely full of baloney for shading me the way that she did. I'll circle back to that once I've sat on it a bit more. Just putting a pin in this while I go look at other things.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:58 am But not every supervocal player in every game is scum.

[citation needed]

God, you know what I could go for right now? A burger with a fried egg on it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 11:22 am He might have said "F this forum" when he was mislynched in the other game.

I would be more inclined to believe this if he didn't keep posting in this game after the fact. Which he did.

His activity has been lackluster since the beginning.

I did think he felt genuine on Day 0 but now it feels like that is some weird immature idea I had as a kid that doesn't hold water now that I'm an adult who has to live with the harsh realities of life.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 11:39 pm Better than game of thrones finale anyway. Heyo!

As a book reader who refuses to watch the show, this has been a spring of vindication.

"What the hell's going on with Creature?"

Long Con says he was mislynched in Better Off Ted and hasn't been around since. That's not what I'd like to hear under any circumstance. But he remains a player in this game that we all need to read. Which is something we've collectively either struggled with or neglected to do, it seems.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:27 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:23 pm Hi I'm new how do I play?

idk, how do you play?

Only one forward for pawn; any horizontally or vertically for rook; L shape for knight; any diagonally for bishop; any horizontally, vertically or diagonally for queen; and one horizontally, vertically or diagonally for king.

His first couple posts suggest Wilgy-esque tomfoolery. But he does start to produce more on-point reads as things develop.
Here are some more direct early-game posts where he seems to acknowledge that this is indeed a mafia game which he is playing in.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:52 pm Lol hi, Creature.

Hello, are you still randing scum?

His first real move in the game is to poke Jack with a pretty empty question. Jack answered in the negative.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:46 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +

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This is definitely wrong, but probably town.

An Ultra read. Okay.

Creature doesn't know who Matahari is when Epi suspects her. Several minutes later he will sheep Mac's suspicions against Epi and MafiaMenace:

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:44 am Epi and MafiaMenace ping me.

Me too.

Okay.

A town read on DDL exists. He explains it here and it's not a bad read.

Then there's a couple isolated posts about a few things. An Epi read: Some banter with nutella. And then this:

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:36 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:33 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:31 pm though lately it has been everyone though

I dont think it means as much from anyone else besides Ultra

Someone I don't remember now seemed to be talking only about KPN something.

The "Someone" in this post is MafiaMenace. I remind you that a few posts earlier, Creature had sheeped a suspicion against the very same Menace. But now he's forgotten who did the thing that would have made him suspicious in the first place, as though we were dealing with some sort of phantom menace here. Small ping.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:55 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 pm I don't suspect Ultra. Bottom line.

I suspect Matahari.

Let's start with this

Creature highlights this post from Epi to be judged as either Town or Mafia. Based on his previous post, I would infer that Creature regards this post as "non-standoutish" behavior. But the suspicion of Matahari-who-had-not-posted does kind of stand out. Lots of people commented on it. It seems like it was designed to stand out. I don't know if I believe in this enough to call it a ping, but it's there.

Town read on Mac.

Pivots to a position of agreement with the Matahari suspicion. There is kind of an explanation here, but it's not a satisfying one.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:04 am Anyone willing to give me their point of view of recent events?

This reminds me of Cooler's super-vague "Who wants to catch me up on everything?" post.

Lends support to my first nutella jab. Okay.

Nutella explains Epi's Day 0 matahari read, which for some reason makes Creature "feel better" about him. A) I don't know why that is. B) I don't know how to feel about Creature missing this key piece of context initially. C) He would go back to suspecting Epi a little while later.

He town reads a Luxurious post, but gives the least helpful answer I could have imagined when asked why.

Creature does go out of his way to not town read Sabie, which at least suggests they're not teammates. If I'm right about Sabie's kill having rebounded on herself last night, the Speedsters only have one member left. We do not know what the other team is up to, and there's also all the independents.

Slaps a town read on nutella for being bold. Okay.

Town read on Jack, Scum read on Epi. This would be the beginning of an exchange RE: Epi that I did not like one bit. Observe:

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 4:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 4:39 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 4:37 pm Epignosis idk. I don't remember liking his latest posts either.

Would you be able to look at his posts and identify what you didn’t like about them?

I mean that his posts don't seem to catch my attention in a towny way, rather they keep looking like something scum could easily do.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 4:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 4:54 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 4:46 pm I mean that his posts don't seem to catch my attention in a towny way, rather they keep looking like something scum could easily do.

What is he doing that “scum could easily do”? Cite your sources.

It's mostly "if you were scum, what would you rather do?" and see from that perspective.

These are not answers to the questions that I was asking. These are not answers to anything. This is "I scumread Epi because I don't townread Epi."

Since then Creature's most substantial contributions were to label Lux "lynchbait" and to offer a url=http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 77#p540977]soft defense of Sabie[/url] before totally vanishing.

There are a lot of reads with minimal explanation here and nothing that screams CIVILIAN at me. However, I would guess that relatively unsubstantiated reads (by my standards) are not unusual for Creature. I could look at his play in Better Off Ted for a reference point. But none of this would make me not want to hear more from him about why he thinks the things that he does. I'd place him as a low-tier suspect, not a lynch I'd strongly resist in the absence of a better one, but not somebody I can read with much confidence at the moment either. My biggest concern is that some of his reads seem to pop up and then disappear without going anywhere (see: his early suspicions of Matahari, MafiaMenace, and nutella).

[mention]Creature[/mention] I hope you can rejoin us soon. This game is starving for your presence.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 12:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 11:39 pm Better than game of thrones finale anyway. Heyo!

As a book reader who refuses to watch the show, this has been a spring of vindication.

I was always a show-watcher who purposefully did not read the books. The ending made me want to read the books. It is clear that the first half of the story was George RR Martin's, and the second half was somebody else's. They didn't know what to do with a lot of the pieces he'd set in motion.

I'm still not bitter about it though. It was never going to be a perfect ending. Peeps are seriously overreacting to it far and wide.

anyway, back to mafia.