The Syndicate

Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:55 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:48 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:19 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +

Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?

I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away

I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently

uh

there are like, 7 scum in this game

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 pm I suspect Matahari.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:49 pm k so the math is wrong
it goes from 2.5 kpn to 2
i assume both factions have a nk

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:56 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:32 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:29 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:53 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

none of his posts were readable
they come from both alignments and are very common posts to make

you may find a read in there but i see it as a stretch

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:57 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:49 pm k so the math is wrong
it goes from 2.5 kpn to 2
i assume both factions have a nk

The team descriptions say the mafia teams alternate kills. One team kills odd nights, the other kills even nights.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:57 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:49 pm k so the math is wrong
it goes from 2.5 kpn to 2
i assume both factions have a nk

The team descriptions say the mafia teams alternate kills. One team kills odd nights, the other kills even nights.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:57 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:55 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:48 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:19 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +

Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?

I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away

I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently

uh

there are like, 7 scum in this game

Not counting independents acting outside of traditional town/scum wincon

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 12:26 am Holy lots of posts already you guys

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:51 pm The read on you?

Considering how you started the game, and the fact that JJJ just flipped scum after doing a lot of prodding and fake town work, it’s not hard to understand that Speed (and me a bit) has a tinfoil on you already.

Towning it up only to flip scum at post game because you won

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:58 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:56 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:32 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:29 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:53 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

none of his posts were readable
they come from both alignments and are very common posts to make

you may find a read in there but i see it as a stretch

How is it very common to suggest angelshooting a scum lynch before the game truly starts???

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:57 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:49 pm k so the math is wrong
it goes from 2.5 kpn to 2
i assume both factions have a nk

The team descriptions say the mafia teams alternate kills. One team kills odd nights, the other kills even nights.

oh
so its 1.5
so this game is much more balanced than i thought

so 1.5 to 1 kpn

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:52 pm
I have substantiated a gripe that I have with a Speedchuck post on Day 0. It exists to bolster the conversation in the thread.

Speedchuck gave an indecisive wave of the hand. I'd like him to tell us what it means, and I'd like other people to comment on it.

Why does your response exist?

I don't feel strongly about it either way. It's something I can easily imagine myself saying as well, as a general impulse to sort out what I'm thinking about people who have been active in the thread so far.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:03 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:57 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:49 pm k so the math is wrong
it goes from 2.5 kpn to 2
i assume both factions have a nk

The team descriptions say the mafia teams alternate kills. One team kills odd nights, the other kills even nights.

oh
so its 1.5
so this game is much more balanced than i thought

so 1.5 to 1 kpn

Nah, we still have the potential for 2 kills per night.

Town has an even night vigilante, plus a scum team killing on even nights.
There is also an odd night serial killer, plus a scum team killing on odd nights.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:44 am Epi and MafiaMenace ping me.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:02 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:58 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:56 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:32 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:29 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:53 pm
at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

none of his posts were readable
they come from both alignments and are very common posts to make

you may find a read in there but i see it as a stretch

How is it very common to suggest angelshooting a scum lynch before the game truly starts???

quote that post
because i never saw it


either way i was not talking about his entire iso, most posts he has made are like i said
pregame fluff or strategic posts
both of which can and do come from either alignments

i dont know how youre making an argument out of this

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:41 am Oof Ultra wanted to drop the discussion and I made 4 posts about it. Sorry.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:41 am

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:38 am Damn those classes bore me to the bone

What thoughts do you have on the game so far? Do any individual players stand out to you at all?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:07 pm Dragon Fluffy can be town too

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:58 am

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:49 am Also idk about my playstyle, it may change according to the game pace. Though I'm known for making 20+ posts in a row when I'm inspired enough.

What sort of things do you look for when you’re reading people?

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:38 pm Question regarding the no claims rule - does that mean if you're the cop/tracker/whatever you can't state your results?

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:02 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:58 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:56 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:32 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:29 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:53 pm
at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

none of his posts were readable
they come from both alignments and are very common posts to make

you may find a read in there but i see it as a stretch

How is it very common to suggest angelshooting a scum lynch before the game truly starts???

quote that post
because i never saw it


either way i was not talking about his entire iso, most posts he has made are like i said
pregame fluff or strategic posts
both of which can and do come from either alignments

i dont know how youre making an argument out of this

Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:09 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:02 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:58 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:56 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:32 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:29 pm
Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

none of his posts were readable
they come from both alignments and are very common posts to make

you may find a read in there but i see it as a stretch

How is it very common to suggest angelshooting a scum lynch before the game truly starts???

quote that post
because i never saw it


either way i was not talking about his entire iso, most posts he has made are like i said
pregame fluff or strategic posts
both of which can and do come from either alignments

i dont know how youre making an argument out of this

Yeah but the context is I'm strategizing for how to eliminate scum. Not just talking shop about the set up. I'm pretty sure that's why everyone is reading me +

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:58 am

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:49 am Also idk about my playstyle, it may change according to the game pace. Though I'm known for making 20+ posts in a row when I'm inspired enough.

What sort of things do you look for when you’re reading people?

I'm better at sorting them when I'm actually interacting with them.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:57 am This is why I prefer anticlaim to just no claiming rules.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:59 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:39 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:27 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:23 pm Hi I'm new how do I play?

idk, how do you play?

Only one forward for pawn; any horizontally or vertically for rook; L shape for knight; any diagonally for bishop; any horizontally, vertically or diagonally for queen; and one horizontally, vertically or diagonally for king.

I dig this cat.

Ya’ll are going to get along great.

Two of the most frustrating players.

Ultra wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:10 pm Sloonei comes off as a bit stiff to me, just as a first impression

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:49 am This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:08 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 10:35 am Cause the only things easier to win with than cults and survivors are friggin Survivor cults.

I see you've never faced a Jester Cult.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:09 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:38 pm Question regarding the no claims rule - does that mean if you're the cop/tracker/whatever you can't state your results?

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

Cooler wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:22 am I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 12:31 am In answer to some popular questions:

The game continues until either the civs or baddies are eliminated, or Deathstroke is LMS. The Legends can achieve their win condition without ending the game. They can win with any faction except Deathstroke. Rip can recruit any role that is not un-recruitable, including Mafia.

Also the plan players suggested earlier would effectively be asking a player to roleclaim, so it's right out.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 12:08 pm Day 0 isn’t usually this busy, but I got excited.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:16 pm

Cooler wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:22 am I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 12:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 12:27 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:49 am Also idk about my playstyle, it may change according to the game pace. Though I'm known for making 20+ posts in a row when I'm inspired enough.

Creature’s meta is that if he’s town, he’ll post a lot and I will probably try to lynch him anyhow.

What is your level of experience with this creature?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 12:41 pm I have no idea what to expect from a scum Creature beyond horror stories.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:17 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:16 pm

Cooler wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:22 am I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

It’s more gray and light blue than traditional eye-burning white

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:41 am

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:38 am Damn those classes bore me to the bone

What thoughts do you have on the game so far? Do any individual players stand out to you at all?

Yes, Epi and MafiaMenace.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:20 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:17 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:16 pm

Cooler wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:22 am I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

It’s more gray and light blue than traditional eye-burning white

Light blue can be even worse though

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:34 pm

Cooler wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:22 am Hi all,

First game here.

I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

I'm using the light background.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:20 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:17 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:16 pm

Cooler wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:22 am I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

It’s more gray and light blue than traditional eye-burning white

Light blue can be even worse though

Gimme a read on a player right now.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:20 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:17 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:16 pm

Cooler wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:22 am I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

It’s more gray and light blue than traditional eye-burning white

Light blue can be even worse though

Gimme a read on a player right now.

Everyone who starts with M is mafia.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:56 pm Actually a question I had regarding Sara/ Laurel is that do they become a different scum team should they find each other and we have like

5 factions

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:52 pm Lol hi, Creature.

Hello, are you still randing scum?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:49 pm Civilians must vote to keep their heels on the throat of mafia. Any plan that recommends civilians do not vote is suspect to me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 10:07 am

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:53 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

I agree with this.

The maths change on if we can win with the cult or not but I’ve played several games were the scum team was fairly obvious but we couldn’t eliminate them because nks overpowered lynches. I’ve also played several games where the sker shot a goon or two and got lynched, which made the game a huge uphill battle for the wolves.

Don’t lynch the sker at mylo. Do lynch the sker on D1 or D2.

It’s kinda bullshit to take the hardest role to win as and use a one shot to eliminate it immediately though.