The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:57 am**

Scotty = Doctor
Epi = Doctor
Colin = Gains double vote via predicting elections
Kyle = Rolecop?
Spacedaisy = ... gives people one shot items?
Juliets/Golden = Masoned with Scotty who is also a doctor but they are nothing more than the mason
Sprityo = ?

Do we have a roleclaim from sprityo yet?

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:58 am**

Sorry for the avalanche of posts. Someone come help me analyse this thing.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:03 am**

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:55 pm for Spacedaisy I find everything sincere and logical. Daisy makes sure her opinion is heard, her entire day 2 is something i can agree with. between wanting to vote TH becaues unknown third party is a scary thought, and her suspicion of sig. Her outburst against mac looked genuine, but in honesty anyone could get upset at mac because of how he acts. Spacedaisy is a town read from me. I'll have to get other's later, ive gotta get back to work now.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:06 am**

Sprit is a jack of all trades or something I think

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:07 am**

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:59 pm @Scotty I know golden's role because Choutas role-copped him night 1.
Sadly however that was my one and only role cop.
I also know Daisy visited Scotty night 2. That was my other One-Shot.

So now i flip it back to you scotty, what item did you recieve day3 and how is @Spacedaisy connected?

and if any of you REALLY care about the flavor, it's Link from Ocarina of time (adult and child)

Okay so this is sprityo's roleclaim. 1 shot rolecop and 1 shot watcher or tracker...

What a random role ...

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:10 am**

So Choutas used his role cop on golden on night one ... it's clearly true I think. But, firstly, a rolecop is almost always a mafia role and secondly, if you're a civilian why rolecop someone without suspicion. It's also not actually a rolecop, it's a character cop? It revealed him as Marty McFly... what is the benefit of knowing the character of another player in this game? And what mechanism like that could be effective with only one single shot? It makes sense if the role is trying to find someone (like Golden trying to find Scotty or whatever) but surely that wouldn't just be one shot?

A one time ability to find out what character someone is? And then a random watcher/tracker? Both roles used on prominent civilian voices?

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:11 am**

So it was a track and Choutas/Sprityo tracked Daisy... So he character copped one prominent consensus civilian and then tracked another?

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:12 am**

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:27 pm Look gang, we still have a whole 24 hours left yeah? Let’s not just settle for lapluie and waste the discussion time.

I’m fine with lapluie lynch, but where are we going after this? Or is this more a question for the daystart of day4?

See, further to my previous point about how scum would treat a mounting teammate wagon, this kind of open rebellion is how I would expect them to behave.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:24 am**

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:22 amMac, I'm glad to see someone else sees U-Pick when they look at Kyle. Kyle I hear what you're saying about your meta and maybe I should look at another game. Can you name one where you were civ?

ancient Greece or also probably literally any other game

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:29 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:10 am You are asking quite a lot of me Kyle, to ignore the clear distinctions to draw between here and your U-Pick performance (which was a great Mafia effort with the same reward on display for you there as here), and go and seek out civ games, analyse them and push aside my suspicions of you on that basis. Perhaps, given you want the win so much and you say you are a civ, you would in fact do a courtesy to make said task easier for me, rather than asking something that you probably know I won't do.

the time im not spending today at work is time i will be spending visiting my dad at the hospital for his surgery, and the time I'm not spending on that will be spent visiting my aunt who just had a stroke so maybe instead of trying to dictate how I spend my time you could just check out Greece mafia like I already suggested you do. You don't have to seek it out. It's just right there on the website. I know you can do it Mac. I believe in you

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:33 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:57 am Kyle = Rolecop?

what?

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:34 am**

Okay I think I have seen enough to want sprityo's head on a pike.

1. The Claim

His role claim is weird and the choices are weirder. It doesn't seem like a civ role and the application of it doesn't seem civvie in the slightest.

2. The Defense

He was the main person trying to object to the lapluie lynch and only ended up voting for her when there was no reason not to as I demonstrated in the post above.

Here's another post that Epignosis also called bullshit on.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:42 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:26 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:06 pm Colonialbob is available to replace Lapluie, albeit at low effort since he won't be around at certain times.

I am uncertain whether to do this or just let things run their course.
The fact that you're asking confirms lapluie is bad. Let us lynch her.
Flawed logic at its finest

He is very aware of what he is doing. So much so he unprovokedly says this.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:58 pm Not to say it looks like I’m defending lapluie. I’m just saying how you’re acting is....odd

He also did the exact same thing on the Lunalee lynch.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:49 pm Fine. You all win, I'll do what you want. Against my own feelings on this. [VOTE: lunalee] aubergine

You have someone who has claimed openly to not be civ aligned, and you want to believe them and possibly allow them the space to do what they want. We'll see how this goes. I hope you all are right.

3. The Indie Hunter

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:50 pm to follow up what i just posted, to toss in my two cents.

independents are basically guaranteed in this game, otherwise it wouldnt be fun. on top of that, it makes the Scientist role more reasonable if quin is as he says (or from what i've gathered mac had said just then) i havent gone back to see what quin ACTUALLY "claimed"

He very quickly started talking about independents, a scumtell. Here's some more.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:52 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:51 pm er.....

that's not a bad point actually

as great as the case is, i'd be fine with either or. TH is claiming 3P and that secures us one less infraction to worry about as town
i was caught up in the granduer of golden's case

that also reminds me, are we just ignoring INH now orrr?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:26 pm so that's it then? assume TH is working in the interest of town?

look dont let me say i told you so when he soup kills like three people at once

4. The Salad

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:35 pm coming back midway or so through day 2.

Epi is town, he's indecisive and changes is suspicions on a whim, i observed a good deal of it in Fire Emblem. He is right most of the time though in his suspicions, but he's best at defending himself.
Golden leans town for me with his interactions of sig, quin, mac, and INH. But it's more so just banter. than throwing down some "you're bad, fuck you"
i dont trust Quin (right now) in the slightest. A stump isnt activated by default from what ive seen. he's either lying out his ass or some convoluted shit is happening. on top of the "random PM" deal im still reading through. I hope it gets resolved
I keep seeing Colin pop in now and again. contributing somewhat.
Same with luna except it's nothing relevant, warrants an ISO once im done reading day2
if INH is not town, then when are we going to lynch him?
Mac is town but i dont know why yet.

He makes a decisive read on Epi in an attempt to buddy/disarm him. This entire post is a mixture of reads and observations. The comments on Colin and Luna are particularly pingy in that they seem to serve no benefit other than to demonstrate that he is reading the game. The comment on me, I have no worldly idea what that's about.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:38 pm i also group turniphead with luna in that they havent done anything worthy to not be lynched as far as ive read

This is a similar comment but has the extended weirdness of the phrasing. Just something off about the phrase "worthy to not be lynched". In both aforementioned posts he is fairly encouraging of the idea of lynching the two independents, which again, is a scum type behaviour.

5. The Low Value Content

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:44 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:31 pm
Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:24 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:23 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:20 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:17 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:16 pm about turnip head.....

i disagree with the concept of lynching him. In a game where we have limited methods of clearing people of being mafia, turnip head has provided one for himself, and lynching him takes that away for basically no reason. we lynch turnip head we learn nothing and he dies.

we let turnip head live until he can complete his publically known win condition which he claims he will vanish after completing, he vanishes as promised? cool. he won and we know he wasn't mafia so we can build assumptions off of that. alternatively, oh no? he's still here? he was lying the whole time? good lynch him, and now we know shit, and can build a better future because of it
We learn nothing if ANYONE dies. I don’t see how someone that is subtly hinting that they’re not town isn’t a worthy lynch candidate down the road
that's what I'm saying Scotty, we learn something if turnip head LIVES so why would it be a good idea to lynch him instead of seeing how his thing plays out?
We don’t know we will learn anything if he lives besides him just hanging around like that ex girlfriend that keeps coming back because she “needed some closure” and “still likes being around me”
Addendum: if he didn’t vanish, then we know he’s lying.

I see what you mean.

Got it.

*hails waitress*

Check please!

yesssss exactly.

if we lynch him early then we don't know what alignment he died with but if we let him achieve his stated wincon we'll know if he was lying.

if his wincon claim is a definite lie then we can comfortably lynch him based on that evidence, but if we lynch him before it can come to fruition then turnip head remains a mystery until the end.
This rationale makes sense and at the same time makes me uneasy. very uneasy. There's no definite that the future will be as predicted

Another pointless "I have feelings towards this game" post.

6. The Struggle to Find Other Viable Candidates Aside from His Teammates

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:58 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:36 pm Mac and I are braintwinning right now, for real
this rubs me the wrong way

my gut has the rumblies

Sus on Colin with no explanation as to why. Pushing one of the other guys starting to have the POE crunch come down on them into the limelight subtly. Then he started to half jokingly point fingers at Spacedaisy.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:25 am I know golden said he trusted daisy as his core town, I don’t think he said why outside of his own beliefs. Did you feel the same Scotty?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:53 am Good news Scotty, if you die, we’ll know that daisy is the one who killed you

Note, he has already tracked Spacedaisy targeting Scotty and we see Scotty is still alive. He has ZERO reason to doubt or suspect her.

7. The Contradiction

This could be the most telling thing. In these consecutive posts he goes from defending the position of trusting and letting TH do what TH do.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:44 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:28 pm I have a question for people who are pro-Turnip
Head: why?
why not

indi doesnt have to care who wins, as long as their wincon is met

To criticising someone for trusting TH.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:16 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:52 pm I will campaign to not see TH lynched today if need be. But I didn't really realise there was any threat of that, because I can't imagine any good reason to lynch him. All the facts suggest he is not mafia, to me. I have no interest in lynching an indy when the player numbers are so small and the indy is claiming he'll vanish anyway. This one I definitely would see as a waste of a lynch.

Why would you not let it play out and see if he is being honest? Like - if we lynch TH and prevent him winning by one day and go on to lose because we've wasted a lynch on this, I will riot.

There is absolutely nothing about TH's behaviour in the entire game that suggests any kind of agenda.
we just trust indy's now based on word alone?

In Closing

This feels ... insanely correct. Please do yourselves a favour and read that and tell me how you can justify voting for anybody else tomorrow?

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:35 am**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:57 am Kyle = Rolecop?
what?

Instead of just saying what, can you correct me please? I can't remember what your claim was.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:38 am**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:29 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:10 am You are asking quite a lot of me Kyle, to ignore the clear distinctions to draw between here and your U-Pick performance (which was a great Mafia effort with the same reward on display for you there as here), and go and seek out civ games, analyse them and push aside my suspicions of you on that basis. Perhaps, given you want the win so much and you say you are a civ, you would in fact do a courtesy to make said task easier for me, rather than asking something that you probably know I won't do.
the time im not spending today at work is time i will be spending visiting my dad at the hospital for his surgery, and the time I'm not spending on that will be spent visiting my aunt who just had a stroke so maybe instead of trying to dictate how I spend my time you could just check out Greece mafia like I already suggested you do. You don't have to seek it out. It's just right there on the website. I know you can do it Mac. I believe in you

Sorry about your dad. I hope he gets better. Good luck with everything. Can you stop taking my attempts to solve the game personally please. It's so tiring to have to deal with it every time I try to contribute effort to solving the game. I am not personally attacking you.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:39 am**

Epignosis is not Mafia. He is entirely incompatible with any of them. I don't think anybody is compatible. I think sprityo is the last Mafia.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:41 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:49 amYou have a habit of getting reeeally prickly when I suspect you don't you? What is it about me that has that effect on you?

i mean as mentioned I had kind of a fucked up day yesterday so I wasn't in the best starting position for responding to bullshit

as far as you go, idk. but i honestly thought we were through with this.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:41 am**

It's good to see you back btw sprityo, I was really worried that you were done with the game when you bailed on U-Pick. I'm not sure exactly why you keep making intimations about me being an asshole, crass or whatever but I like you and it's good to have you around. If I've done something to offend you please let me know after the game and we can talk about it.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:41 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:35 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:57 am Kyle = Rolecop?
what?
Instead of just saying what, can you correct me please? I can't remember what your claim was.

I'm a christmas time wizard

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:43 am**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:49 amYou have a habit of getting reeeally prickly when I suspect you don't you? What is it about me that has that effect on you?
i mean as mentioned I had kind of a fucked up day yesterday so I wasn't in the best starting position for responding to bullshit

as far as you go, idk. but i honestly thought we were through with this.

I don't even know what this is homie. You just seem like one of the players (of whom there are several names who immediately spring to mind so it's clearly not a you thing, it's a me thing) who think I am an asshole for the way I play the game. I'm sorry man. I can't play it any other way. I like to accuse people and see how they react. Like I did with Colin up there.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:43 am**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:35 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:57 am Kyle = Rolecop?
what?
Instead of just saying what, can you correct me please? I can't remember what your claim was.
I'm a christmas time wizard

That's right the town backup to nutella's role that does the altering of the night actions. I remember now.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:43 am**

I get the logic of looking for indies as a scumtell but in this specific case I disagree slightly because TH sussed me the hell out too. I know I’m a bit of a special case but I still feel like we’re lucky he didn’t bomb us or something.

Otherwise that is really solid. I’m definitely gonna dig through the ISO myself if I have the chance this phase (got the day off but I have an appointment about 1.5 hours away so we’ll see)

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:44 am**

Kyle can you please read my sprityo musings and let me know if you find them sound?

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:45 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:38 amSorry about your dad. I hope he gets better. Good luck with everything. Can you stop taking my attempts to solve the game personally please. It's so tiring to have to deal with it every time I try to contribute effort to solving the game. I am not personally attacking you.

I know you're not being personal. I'm just saying I'd you're expecting me to jump through hoops in the next phase to impress you and prove I'm civ that it's not probably gonna happen.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:45 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:43 am I get the logic of looking for indies as a scumtell but in this specific case I disagree slightly because TH sussed me the hell out too. I know I’m a bit of a special case but I still feel like we’re lucky he didn’t bomb us or something.

Otherwise that is really solid. I’m definitely gonna dig through the ISO myself if I have the chance this phase (got the day off but I have an appointment about 1.5 hours away so we’ll see)

He sussed me out to but I played the man. The theme for sprityo has been centred around TH (and to some extent) INH's status as independents making them lynch candidates. It's scum 101. Look for the easy lynches. Shove them into the spotlight. Hope the town do the rest. He did it with the indies, he hasn't had a chance to really do it to anybody else, he has gone as far as trying to do it to Spacedaisy now because the POE has crushed him.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:47 am**

apparently I'm still required to participate in the afterlife

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:48 am**

I say required but it must be voluntary cuz I been sleepin

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:48 am**

If we lynch Sprityo and the game continues then Colin is the last bad guy btw. He's just done a hell of a job to the point where I struggle to build a case on him. Epi is out as a candidate despite that weird shit with the doctor. Kyle looked even better as it pertained to the Lap and Luna lynches.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:48 am**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:47 am apparently I'm still required to participate in the afterlife

Shenanigans!

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:49 am**

FYI I am trying to win the title of most effective stump.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:50 am**

I don't begrudge sprityo's effort here one bit, he walked into a fucked situation if what I am seeing is right and has done damn well to skate by even this far.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:51 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:48 am If we lynch Sprityo and the game continues then Colin is the last bad guy btw. He's just done a hell of a job to the point where I struggle to build a case on him. Epi is out as a candidate despite that weird shit with the doctor. Kyle looked even better as it pertained to the Lap and Luna lynches.

No sir. Why is Epi out?

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:53 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:51 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:48 am If we lynch Sprityo and the game continues then Colin is the last bad guy btw. He's just done a hell of a job to the point where I struggle to build a case on him. Epi is out as a candidate despite that weird shit with the doctor. Kyle looked even better as it pertained to the Lap and Luna lynches.
No sir. Why is Epi out?

I analysed him. He would have to have bussed the entire scum team to be bad based on my deductions. There is no inherent value in bussing in a no flip game. He is 100% not scum.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:55 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:53 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:51 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:48 am If we lynch Sprityo and the game continues then Colin is the last bad guy btw. He's just done a hell of a job to the point where I struggle to build a case on him. Epi is out as a candidate despite that weird shit with the doctor. Kyle looked even better as it pertained to the Lap and Luna lynches.
No sir. Why is Epi out?
I analysed him. He would have to have bussed the entire scum team to be bad based on my deductions. There is no inherent value in bussing in a no flip game. He is 100% not scum.

Who do you have pegged as the scumteam again?

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:56 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:43 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:49 amYou have a habit of getting reeeally prickly when I suspect you don't you? What is it about me that has that effect on you?
i mean as mentioned I had kind of a fucked up day yesterday so I wasn't in the best starting position for responding to bullshit

as far as you go, idk. but i honestly thought we were through with this.
I don't even know what this is homie. You just seem like one of the players (of whom there are several names who immediately spring to mind so it's clearly not a you thing, it's a me thing) who think I am an asshole for the way I play the game. I'm sorry man. I can't play it any other way. I like to accuse people and see how they react. Like I did with Colin up there.

I don't think you're an asshole, Mac. You're good at mafia and you're probably a cool guy, and I made you one of my farmers in rimworld until you got bit by a raccoon and died of infection or something.

I'm not very good at defenses, the reason I play the way I do is so I don't have to do them very often, cus it's the least interesting part of mafia and gets in the way of the parts of the game that are actually enjoyable. your accusations often leap to the "____ person is absolutely mafia and I'm 100% confident in that" which is to me, a portent/omen of future time getting wasted talking about myself when I'd rather be doing other things

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:57 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:44 am Kyle can you please read my sprityo musings and let me know if you find them sound?

please link me and @ me to the post, I'll check it out from the waiting room later. I've gotta get to work

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:01 am**

The points you raised against him I felt were salient and quin did too. But for them to be valid Lapluie must be a civ and he was using her as an easy lynch to buy a day because there is no reason to bus her the way he did. Possible that he just went after the easiest civ lynch that was left, but I don't think she was a civilian based on her interactions with sig and based on POE. There is too much evidence that Epi is town. The suggestion that he bussed his entire team in a game that there's no value in doing that just doesn't stand to reason. Epignosis as scum here would have done what sprityo has tried to do (and tbh what you have tried to do as well) except he would have been far more effective at it. Yes he tinfoiled golden a bit but that is on his civ meta to do so and he never actually got anywhere with it. He got heated with another prominent civ player ... that is par for the course for Epi.

Epignosis might be playing 4D chess in the hopes that someone would make this case. Is it possible? Ehhhh he is a good player yes but it would be just insane to think that he did that.

If you want evidence look at his treatment of sig straight out of the gate, as well as Lunalee and Lapluie. Make a case that they are town because I sure as fuck can't. Now that I am so sure on sprityo you can add his treatment of sprityo to that pile.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:01 am**

I could vote sprityo tomorrow

Also [VOTE: Juliets] aubergine

Go get em!

And hiiiiii fabulous tree stump Mac!

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:02 am**

Spoiler: show

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:34 am Okay I think I have seen enough to want sprityo's head on a pike.

1. The Claim

His role claim is weird and the choices are weirder. It doesn't seem like a civ role and the application of it doesn't seem civvie in the slightest.

2. The Defense

He was the main person trying to object to the lapluie lynch and only ended up voting for her when there was no reason not to as I demonstrated in the post above.

Here's another post that Epignosis also called bullshit on.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:42 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:26 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:06 pm Colonialbob is available to replace Lapluie, albeit at low effort since he won't be around at certain times.

I am uncertain whether to do this or just let things run their course.
The fact that you're asking confirms lapluie is bad. Let us lynch her.
Flawed logic at its finest
He is very aware of what he is doing. So much so he unprovokedly says this.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:58 pm Not to say it looks like I’m defending lapluie. I’m just saying how you’re acting is....odd
He also did the exact same thing on the Lunalee lynch.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:49 pm Fine. You all win, I'll do what you want. Against my own feelings on this. [VOTE: lunalee] aubergine

You have someone who has claimed openly to not be civ aligned, and you want to believe them and possibly allow them the space to do what they want. We'll see how this goes. I hope you all are right.
3. The Indie Hunter

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:50 pm to follow up what i just posted, to toss in my two cents.

independents are basically guaranteed in this game, otherwise it wouldnt be fun. on top of that, it makes the Scientist role more reasonable if quin is as he says (or from what i've gathered mac had said just then) i havent gone back to see what quin ACTUALLY "claimed"
He very quickly started talking about independents, a scumtell. Here's some more.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:52 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:51 pm er.....

that's not a bad point actually

as great as the case is, i'd be fine with either or. TH is claiming 3P and that secures us one less infraction to worry about as town
i was caught up in the granduer of golden's case

that also reminds me, are we just ignoring INH now orrr?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:26 pm so that's it then? assume TH is working in the interest of town?

look dont let me say i told you so when he soup kills like three people at once

4. The Salad

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:35 pm coming back midway or so through day 2.

Epi is town, he's indecisive and changes is suspicions on a whim, i observed a good deal of it in Fire Emblem. He is right most of the time though in his suspicions, but he's best at defending himself.
Golden leans town for me with his interactions of sig, quin, mac, and INH. But it's more so just banter. than throwing down some "you're bad, fuck you"
i dont trust Quin (right now) in the slightest. A stump isnt activated by default from what ive seen. he's either lying out his ass or some convoluted shit is happening. on top of the "random PM" deal im still reading through. I hope it gets resolved
I keep seeing Colin pop in now and again. contributing somewhat.
Same with luna except it's nothing relevant, warrants an ISO once im done reading day2
if INH is not town, then when are we going to lynch him?
Mac is town but i dont know why yet.
He makes a decisive read on Epi in an attempt to buddy/disarm him. This entire post is a mixture of reads and observations. The comments on Colin and Luna are particularly pingy in that they seem to serve no benefit other than to demonstrate that he is reading the game. The comment on me, I have no worldly idea what that's about.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:38 pm i also group turniphead with luna in that they havent done anything worthy to not be lynched as far as ive read
This is a similar comment but has the extended weirdness of the phrasing. Just something off about the phrase "worthy to not be lynched". In both aforementioned posts he is fairly encouraging of the idea of lynching the two independents, which again, is a scum type behaviour.

5. The Low Value Content

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:44 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:31 pm
Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:24 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:23 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:20 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:17 pm
We learn nothing if ANYONE dies. I don’t see how someone that is subtly hinting that they’re not town isn’t a worthy lynch candidate down the road
that's what I'm saying Scotty, we learn something if turnip head LIVES so why would it be a good idea to lynch him instead of seeing how his thing plays out?
We don’t know we will learn anything if he lives besides him just hanging around like that ex girlfriend that keeps coming back because she “needed some closure” and “still likes being around me”
Addendum: if he didn’t vanish, then we know he’s lying.

I see what you mean.

Got it.

*hails waitress*

Check please!

yesssss exactly.

if we lynch him early then we don't know what alignment he died with but if we let him achieve his stated wincon we'll know if he was lying.

if his wincon claim is a definite lie then we can comfortably lynch him based on that evidence, but if we lynch him before it can come to fruition then turnip head remains a mystery until the end.
This rationale makes sense and at the same time makes me uneasy. very uneasy. There's no definite that the future will be as predicted
Another pointless "I have feelings towards this game" post.

6. The Struggle to Find Other Viable Candidates Aside from His Teammates

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:58 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:36 pm Mac and I are braintwinning right now, for real
this rubs me the wrong way

my gut has the rumblies
Sus on Colin with no explanation as to why. Pushing one of the other guys starting to have the POE crunch come down on them into the limelight subtly. Then he started to half jokingly point fingers at Spacedaisy.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:25 am I know golden said he trusted daisy as his core town, I don’t think he said why outside of his own beliefs. Did you feel the same Scotty?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:53 am Good news Scotty, if you die, we’ll know that daisy is the one who killed you
Note, he has already tracked Spacedaisy targeting Scotty and we see Scotty is still alive. He has ZERO reason to doubt or suspect her.

7. The Contradiction

This could be the most telling thing. In these consecutive posts he goes from defending the position of trusting and letting TH do what TH do.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:44 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:28 pm I have a question for people who are pro-Turnip
Head: why?
why not

indi doesnt have to care who wins, as long as their wincon is met
To criticising someone for trusting TH.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:16 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:52 pm I will campaign to not see TH lynched today if need be. But I didn't really realise there was any threat of that, because I can't imagine any good reason to lynch him. All the facts suggest he is not mafia, to me. I have no interest in lynching an indy when the player numbers are so small and the indy is claiming he'll vanish anyway. This one I definitely would see as a waste of a lynch.

Why would you not let it play out and see if he is being honest? Like - if we lynch TH and prevent him winning by one day and go on to lose because we've wasted a lynch on this, I will riot.

There is absolutely nothing about TH's behaviour in the entire game that suggests any kind of agenda.
we just trust indy's now based on word alone?
In Closing

This feels ... insanely correct. Please do yourselves a favour and read that and tell me how you can justify voting for anybody else tomorrow?

[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:03 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:55 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:53 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:51 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:48 am If we lynch Sprityo and the game continues then Colin is the last bad guy btw. He's just done a hell of a job to the point where I struggle to build a case on him. Epi is out as a candidate despite that weird shit with the doctor. Kyle looked even better as it pertained to the Lap and Luna lynches.
No sir. Why is Epi out?
I analysed him. He would have to have bussed the entire scum team to be bad based on my deductions. There is no inherent value in bussing in a no flip game. He is 100% not scum.
Who do you have pegged as the scumteam again?

Lunalee
Lapluie
Sig
Sprityo/Choutas

You may substitute sig for yourself if the sprityo lynch doesn't end the game.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:04 am**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:01 am I could vote sprityo tomorrow

Also [VOTE: Juliets] aubergine

Go get em!

And hiiiiii fabulous tree stump Mac!

Hi Doc. You should protect juliets tonight if you can.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:07 am**

I do believe the scum are going to shoot at Scotty. Epignosis you should try to protect him. If you failed to protect me it was because they had a strongman kill and they would only have had one of those.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:12 am**

Tinfoil time...

The "rolecop" that sprityo refers to is not a rolecop but is a "find this player" role like Golden's and was successful early in the game hence why he hasn't infodropped other character claims.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:13 am**

Oh another argument for sprityo as bad is that I was the kill choice. It makes sense for sprityo to have killed me given the way he was talking about me and the way he just dismissed me as a civ for no reason.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:20 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:20 am Juliets inherited Golden’s status and the whole thing with Scotty is too ridiculous for them to be making it up or one of them to not be town.

Spacedaisy has been the most consistent townread of mine besides you I think, her reactions and effort have all felt very real to me.

Sprit, I guess I don’t have a super strong read on Sprit either way. But I don’t think he’s done anything to ping me since he’s been in and he feels like he’s legitimately contributing.

Kyle, I don’t really get the TH dynamic mechanically if he’s scum buuuuuuuut I don’t get any of that anyway.

Epignosis has appeared to me as similar to past games where I knew he was town but that’s about all I have for him.

Me no likey dis Colin. Me no likey.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:22 am**

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:18 am No Colin you can't win the election tonight, you are caught in PoE.

I'd like to submit Juliets for the Election.

She is universally trusted and unlikely to die since she has no night power to speak of any longer. Which reminds me, if we still have a doctor out there consider me please. II am nearing the end of my usefulness but I have one more trick up my sleeve.

Oh I protected you already tonight from the past btw.

So other doctors, ignore her.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:31 am**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:43 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:49 amYou have a habit of getting reeeally prickly when I suspect you don't you? What is it about me that has that effect on you?
i mean as mentioned I had kind of a fucked up day yesterday so I wasn't in the best starting position for responding to bullshit

as far as you go, idk. but i honestly thought we were through with this.
I don't even know what this is homie. You just seem like one of the players (of whom there are several names who immediately spring to mind so it's clearly not a you thing, it's a me thing) who think I am an asshole for the way I play the game. I'm sorry man. I can't play it any other way. I like to accuse people and see how they react. Like I did with Colin up there.
I don't think you're an asshole, Mac. You're good at mafia and you're probably a cool guy, and I made you one of my farmers in rimworld until you got bit by a raccoon and died of infection or something.

I'm not very good at defenses, the reason I play the way I do is so I don't have to do them very often, cus it's the least interesting part of mafia and gets in the way of the parts of the game that are actually enjoyable. your accusations often leap to the "____ person is absolutely mafia and I'm 100% confident in that" which is to me, a portent/omen of future time getting wasted talking about myself when I'd rather be doing other things

I want to play rimworld.

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:37 am**

In the interest of complete transparency. Epi and Scotty, are you both straight up doctors? I know you say you are Epi, but Scotty? Are you just a normal doctor?

It would be strange, given my doctor role was delayed by one phase, that there are two further doctors who are both standard. I just don't believe that and if you are both claiming it then one of you are lying.

[mention]Scotty[/mention] [mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:17 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:37 am In the interest of complete transparency. Epi and Scotty, are you both straight up doctors? I know you say you are Epi, but Scotty? Are you just a normal doctor?

It would be strange, given my doctor role was delayed by one phase, that there are two further doctors who are both standard. I just don't believe that and if you are both claiming it then one of you are lying.

@Scotty @Epignosis

I am a straight up doctor after N1 when Golden found me.

I also have a cool ability from being elected that I will keep to myself until it becomes relevant

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:00 pm**

So if you're both doctors then just protect each other tonight...

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:40 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:41 am It's good to see you back btw sprityo, I was really worried that you were done with the game when you bailed on U-Pick. I'm not sure exactly why you keep making intimations about me being an asshole, crass or whatever but I like you and it's good to have you around. If I've done something to offend you please let me know after the game and we can talk about it.

You’re not a ass Mac, you’re just very forward and I appreciate that about you as a player

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