Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:06 am
Just the latest DOMino to fall.
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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It’s a bad assumption. When it came up yesterday I looked at her thread reads and they were basically the opposite of the oracle. I think it’s a big leap for her to be in that role.colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:26 am Ok, operating under the assumption that luna is the Oracle (which I'm not sure I agree with, given her reaction yesterday), I plan on looking into dunya, nova, jack, and marmot.
I just think it's weird the Oracle mentioned her twice. If she's on the table, then Sloonei is too, I think.Golden wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:32 amIt’s a bad assumption. When it came up yesterday I looked at her thread reads and they were basically the opposite of the oracle. I think it’s a big leap for her to be in that role.colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:26 am Ok, operating under the assumption that luna is the Oracle (which I'm not sure I agree with, given her reaction yesterday), I plan on looking into dunya, nova, jack, and marmot.
But I think dunya, nova and jack are good places to look anyway.
Keeping in mind that there is no infodumping of role hinting, her behavior surrounding the Oracle makes sense to me if she is the oracle, actually. What makes you think otherwise?Golden wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:32 amIt’s a bad assumption. When it came up yesterday I looked at her thread reads and they were basically the opposite of the oracle. I think it’s a big leap for her to be in that role.colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:26 am Ok, operating under the assumption that luna is the Oracle (which I'm not sure I agree with, given her reaction yesterday), I plan on looking into dunya, nova, jack, and marmot.
But I think dunya, nova and jack are good places to look anyway.
So you don't agree with your own assumption? Good call. I don't agree with it either. That doesn't mean looking into dunya, nova, jack and marmot is a bad idea though.colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:26 am Ok, operating under the assumption that luna is the Oracle (which I'm not sure I agree with, given her reaction yesterday), I plan on looking into dunya, nova, jack, and marmot.
Put me down!colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:53 amI just think it's weird the Oracle mentioned her twice. If she's on the table, then Sloonei is too, I think.Golden wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:32 amIt’s a bad assumption. When it came up yesterday I looked at her thread reads and they were basically the opposite of the oracle. I think it’s a big leap for her to be in that role.colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:26 am Ok, operating under the assumption that luna is the Oracle (which I'm not sure I agree with, given her reaction yesterday), I plan on looking into dunya, nova, jack, and marmot.
But I think dunya, nova and jack are good places to look anyway.
Our dunya pressure-train is much more impressive than your highlander pose. There is strengt in number brother sloon. Come. Join us.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:20 am We’ve got four votes on dunya without a word being spoken about them. I know she was talked about yesterday, but let’s refresh thd conversation. Why are we voting dunya today)
I’m gonna [VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine because I would forget she was in this game if her name wasn’t on the player list.
This post right here pushes for Sloonei, even though the most meaningful prodding nova has had all game is against Colin. Why is he avoiding that?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:26 amAll right, so here's where we disagree. I think that his lynch is very worthwhile and I found some of his interactions and the also the lack of them with certain players, very interesting. I think he has more scum team compatibility than Colin and thus his flip gives a lot of info.wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:13 amSorry about that, I was trying to say that based on the stuff leading up to epi's death and this day, I don't think Sloonei would be a worthwhile lynch, but that's just me. I'm far less experienced than 99% of you so it's probably better to just listen to someone elseGolden wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:08 amOK sorry it just looked like you were infodumping but you should make sure you don't do anything that looks like it might be infodumping too.wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:03 amIt's obvious in the thread based on who died imo and who is tradingGolden wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:02 amYou need to read those rules.wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:59 amThere's really no reason for me to explain anything further beyond "Sloonei isn't pure mafia. He might be 3p aligned mafia or regular town" at the moment. Night actions told me so and I'm confident in myselfnovaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:57 am
It was really aggressive. He accused me of not wanting to bother analyze posts and I don't know where he's getting that from. I don't see a reason against Wolbre explaining his thoughts and giving the analysis of Sloonei's posts that lead him to believe that. It's standard procedure.
Glad it wasn't but in any event I've slowly been leaning towards a Colin vote and it might be where I end up. We'll see.
I also sense a certain resistance to his lynch even though most agree with Mac's case on him. The same can't be said for Colin's lynch. For example Scotty didn't see much of a case against Colin and all of a sudden he sees Colin guilty with each post. Mac who made the case against Sloonei is also voting Colin. You defending him.
Experience can be overrated sometimes. It shouldn't stop anyone from listening to you if your arguments are sound.
I still haven't decided between the two but leaning Sloonei now.
This post was made 30 minutes before EoD.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:25 pm Finally caught up. I'm still good with the Colin's lynch. He hasn't done anything to really defend himself and all of his posts are bad, real bad. In my interaction with him, I didn't like his explanation to the Luna vote and I'll be looking at her when he flips scum.
Something I find interesting is how this wagon grew exponentially in the last few hours. I know he didn't defend himself but I still feel uneasy with all the votes he's getting when it was a tied lynch earlier.
[VOTE: Colin] aubergine
Choo CHOOOOOOOOOOOOSloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:20 am We’ve got four votes on dunya without a word being spoken about them. I know she was talked about yesterday, but let’s refresh thd conversation. Why are we voting dunya today)
I’m gonna [VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine because I would forget she was in this game if her name wasn’t on the player list.
since I was linki'd, I will address you, Luna.
This post was made 30 minutes before EoD.
Why does the 'tagline' looks scummy? What's the scum motive behind that action?speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 12:24 pmThis post was made 30 minutes before EoD.
“Still good with the Colin lynch” well that’s just swell- I wouldn’t have known otherwise.
I think this vote is an admission that Colin didn’t help himself or his teammates. But “all his posts are bad, real bad”. OH YEAH? Which ones? He didn’t defend himself like you said. And looking at the previous quote I linked, you even ragged on me for my apparent judgment of Colin, “seeing him guilty with each post”. So what changed with nova here to get there?
The last little tagline nova included was cute too, one more bit of doubt on the development of the Colin train. Even though...you’re “still good” with it.
She was voting me and saying I was bad right through the same period that Pythia wrote the first prophecy saying I'm good, that's the primary reason, but I think more than just that don't match.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:43 amKeeping in mind that there is no infodumping of role hinting, her behavior surrounding the Oracle makes sense to me if she is the oracle, actually. What makes you think otherwise?Golden wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:32 amIt’s a bad assumption. When it came up yesterday I looked at her thread reads and they were basically the opposite of the oracle. I think it’s a big leap for her to be in that role.colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:26 am Ok, operating under the assumption that luna is the Oracle (which I'm not sure I agree with, given her reaction yesterday), I plan on looking into dunya, nova, jack, and marmot.
But I think dunya, nova and jack are good places to look anyway.
I'll be doing everyone. I'll start with yesterday's suggestions. My thoughts on Choutas first:
this is the first significant contribution from Choutas, throwing shade towards Golden. I actually liked his reply to Golden here, reminds me of Choutas' civ logic on RYM. He came in and actively engaged and threw suspicion to one of the most vocal and active people in the thread #ballstothewall style. I feel like a scum Choutas in a new environment would play it a little more reserved, especially on Day 1. This is a positive point in Choutas' favor.Choutas wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:35 amNo it's a game. Mistakes are repeated, the problems the mafia faction faces are the same since time immemorial. You can not simply change a principle it would turn the game upside down.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:31 amNo to both. These are weak-ass reasons for any vote. This is basically the definition of confusing 'weird' with 'bad'. This is like a list of reasons for all the mislynches on sig, marmot and wilgy over the years.
I'm being 'sloppy' because I'm having fun, and my vote wasn't in the slightest bit random but was in fact very carefully considered. It just wasn't because I suspect sloonei.
Through it all, I challenge you to accuse me of lack of meaningful content, because I think you'll find I've already got more than most everyone else in the thread.
Then we won't lynch the scum looking players but the town looking players because apparently they can replicate town behaviour perfectly and the townies have a bad history of looking mafia.
Right.
I didn't like this too much. This isn't really a reply, it's throwing suspicion on Sloonei in the easiest way possible as soon as he's questioned about him (and he wasn't even asked about it, he butted into Mac's question to Colin): "Sloonei is so good as scum and town, I don't know what to make of him so he is probably scum." The reply is a negative for me, because it's too easy, yet it's also expected from someone who hasn't at all been keeping up with the thread. The butting into Mac/Colin questioning is a different matter. I just don't see any advantage of that scum Choutas could think of, other than early distancing if it's w/w. He hadn’t mentioned Sloonei before.
the infamous, what if the game is broken post. Like Mac, I tend to think that this comes from a Townie mindframe, but WIFOM and all that.. I've seen players play this "omg this game may not be fair on townies" card coming from the scum team before. It's not that hard to imagine Choutas doing it tbh so I'm not going to award town or scum points here.
That's Choutas' last post. I can see a Sloonei/Choutas w/w but I'd have to review Sloonei's posts towards Choutas first. (I'm really behind on homework)
I did not take this as Choutas stating a suspicion of me. I took it as him offering general thoughts on me with no inclination toward my alignment in this game. He would vote for me later on without explaining why, and still has not explained it as far as I know. But I did not take this post to be a declaration of suspicion against me. That said, I question its value and motive.dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 1:06 pmI'll be doing everyone. I'll start with yesterday's suggestions. My thoughts on Choutas first:
this is the first significant contribution from Choutas, throwing shade towards Golden. I actually liked his reply to Golden here, reminds me of Choutas' civ logic on RYM. He came in and actively engaged and threw suspicion to one of the most vocal and active people in the thread #ballstothewall style. I feel like a scum Choutas in a new environment would play it a little more reserved, especially on Day 1. This is a positive point in Choutas' favor.Choutas wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:35 amNo it's a game. Mistakes are repeated, the problems the mafia faction faces are the same since time immemorial. You can not simply change a principle it would turn the game upside down.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:31 amNo to both. These are weak-ass reasons for any vote. This is basically the definition of confusing 'weird' with 'bad'. This is like a list of reasons for all the mislynches on sig, marmot and wilgy over the years.
I'm being 'sloppy' because I'm having fun, and my vote wasn't in the slightest bit random but was in fact very carefully considered. It just wasn't because I suspect sloonei.
Through it all, I challenge you to accuse me of lack of meaningful content, because I think you'll find I've already got more than most everyone else in the thread.
Then we won't lynch the scum looking players but the town looking players because apparently they can replicate town behaviour perfectly and the townies have a bad history of looking mafia.
Right.
I didn't like this too much. This isn't really a reply, it's throwing suspicion on Sloonei in the easiest way possible as soon as he's questioned about him (and he wasn't even asked about it, he butted into Mac's question to Colin): "Sloonei is so good as scum and town, I don't know what to make of him so he is probably scum." The reply is a negative for me, because it's too easy, yet it's also expected from someone who hasn't at all been keeping up with the thread. The butting into Mac/Colin questioning is a different matter. I just don't see any advantage of that scum Choutas could think of, other than early distancing if it's w/w. He hadn’t mentioned Sloonei before.
This ISO seems to paint choutas in a more favorable light than "orange". What do you make of the multiple points you made in Choutas' favor if he's orange on your rainbow?For now, Choutas is in the Orange category of my rainbow list, but I wouldn't lynch him based on this short ISO yet. I will ISO Sloonei soon, and if I see a strong connection to implicate w/w, my read could turn Red.
I voted her because she promised an iso but hasn't dun one yet. I didn't expect a wagon to form so quickly.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:20 am We’ve got four votes on dunya without a word being spoken about them. I know she was talked about yesterday, but let’s refresh thd conversation. Why are we voting dunya today)
I’m gonna [VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine because I would forget she was in this game if her name wasn’t on the player list.
I still need to do my own ISO of him, but by your analysis I see him as seeming to keep the Colin lynch open as an option to himself while trying to tiptoe around it and push for me instead. I’ve never played with scum nova and don’t know how he’d approach a teammate under pressure, but I could see that as a baddie who isn’t hesitant to bus a teammate early in the game.
Here we can get a glimpse from what appears to be sig calling him out on “coasting” as mafia previously, though nova sticks that up sig’a ass with a stick to smoke.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:44 pmThis feels like a forced vote. Earlier when you mentioned me, you said that I was playing my Town meta by being quiet but now it's opposite. Which is it then ?
I could switch but we have to switch together.Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 1:51 pmI voted her because she promised an iso but hasn't dun one yet. I didn't expect a wagon to form so quickly.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:20 am We’ve got four votes on dunya without a word being spoken about them. I know she was talked about yesterday, but let’s refresh thd conversation. Why are we voting dunya today)
I’m gonna [VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine because I would forget she was in this game if her name wasn’t on the player list.
I took it as a push of suspicion when it was followed by a vote later on without any other context. It can be read in either tone, but since he voted for you, I read it in a tone of possibly casting doubt on you.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 1:21 pm I did not take this as Choutas stating a suspicion of me. I took it as him offering general thoughts on me with no inclination toward my alignment in this game. He would vote for me later on without explaining why, and still has not explained it as far as I know. But I did not take this post to be a declaration of suspicion against me. That said, I question its value and motive.
The only real positive imo was his push against Golden Day 1. I could find counterarguments for the points against you. I posted my thoughts as they came, but I would say it was mostly negative feelings I felt from the post about you to Mac which was in response to a question he asked Colin (scum). and I could even lean on slight unauthentic on his "this game is unfair on townies" post. Posts like that, if a real concern, I feel would have been made directly to the host in PM. I've done that in the past in both alignments, when I felt early on there was something questionable about balance. I wouldn't embarrass the host, especially someone I am familiar with, if it was an entirely sincere feeling imo.