The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:05 pm @Master Radishes can you consecutively target the same dead person? can you use nutella's medic again?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:35 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:55 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:49 pm I'm thinking about two words. Delayed kill

Who you putting off killing?

More like Mac is already dead, that's what the post cap really is. Jpic claiming cop as a delayed killer and you trying every dirty trick in the book to get another night out of him

I see you

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:42 pm thanks juliets, I just read that recently. I'm not sure I buy it tbh - seems weird that he'd be allowed to claim this role that gets progressively better when others can't

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:49 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:43 pm I just got to your previous ping, juliets. I think nook has been pretty wolfy this game. I see a lot of talk that's off topic or defending himself as town - usually when I said something about him being wolf - and not much else.

I'm reading through his iso right now and see that. The thing I'm having trouble with is discriminating between all the off topic he does as town vs. what I'm seeing in this game. I have just gotten to the part where he jokes about your suspicion about him, kind of a "look nutella dya caught us haha". Not a great look.

Also, interesting point about Tim's role. I didn't think about that as I read it but its a good question.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:54 pm Let's Have Some Fun

I want to play a game. In this game I'd like you to vote for one player from each of these blocs that you consider to be the most town player in the bloc and one that you consider the most scummy.

Rules:
Three blocs of 7.
This is not binding to a vote. It's just a reads exercise.

Bloc 1

Alison
Colin
Dyachei
Juliets
Long Con
Tim
Master Radishes

Bloc 2

Hally
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Oddmerta
Samu
Herm
Sprityo

Bloc 3

SPF
Mac
Tedxtr
Tutuu
JPIC
Nook
Poison Chan

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:45 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:36 pm So prior to nutella flipping Nanook says:

"Inb4 Nutella flips mafia/rogue with a soup kill"

And haha, that's what she flips.

Why does wolf-Nanook make this post?

He says after EOD that he wants to say scum Nanook would never say that but he probably would because it's hilarious.

Why does he make this first post? So he can later point to it and say it's clearing? @Master Radishes you have wolfed with Nanook, would you say this is the kind of thing you saw scum Nanook do?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what was it about nutella that seemed town to you? I know you mentioned her push of me seemed like it came from a townie, was there anything else?

Are you unable to claim your role or do you just not want to?

I have never seen wolf Nanook only town Nanook which from a goofing off standpoint looks similar so I need some help. I'm questioning whether I should be voting Nanook and sprityo instead of JPIC and sprityo.

I thought she’d be trying to help people townread her a bit more if she was mafia. Then the claim stuff later obviously

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:38 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:29 am Only 1 wagon dies today Mac, not 2.

We have 2 votes but the top vote getter gets yeeted.

Yes I was explicitly notified that I was post capped. I have reason to believe I was hit with another separate negative night action.

I know we have one yeet (though I would like someone to actually very bluntly state how we know this because I'm not entirely sure) hence why I said vig the other one. It does not matter. I am saying that we yeet one of them and it outs the other's alignment even if we pick wrong. The chance of there being not mafia between them is very low because Nanook has chosen to vote for Sprityo essentially thunderdoming him vs. Sprityo. That he acted first is a good look for him, but that he had zero votes on him until I voted there is not so essentially we need to just yeet the scummier one. In my view that's Sprityo.

I think JPIC is literally just mafia anyway regardless. I don't see two town PR going onto me n1. I was not jailkept clearly. I already caught a watch from Hally. I wouldn't have been tracked (probably wasn't copped). I probably was doctored, but it wasn't JPIC or he'd have just claimed that. In actuality him not claiming doc there is probably confirmation that I actually WAS doctored because it's a much safer and more reasonable claim.

Even if I think JPIC is literally mafia, we only have one yeet today and it's better for the gamestate that we flip one of the others because JPIC self resolves if he is somehow real and from my perspective he's not the only one near lock to be mafia, I think Sprityo is also near lock to be mafia.

I think we flip Sprityo. If he flips mafia it essentially clears Nanook. JPIC probably doesn't die even if he's real because the mafia need us to yeet him tomorrow so they will trade him getting another confirm (or out).

Note in the event of my death: If JPIC does not get a cop check tomorrow, gets yeeted and genuinely flips cop, turbo yeet Tim. 100% without questioning this. Tim essentially would be outed by virtue of encouraging the town to bring through a realcop to the next day knowing that said cop isn't going to get a shot off.

i do not agree w/this line of reasoning. we can say with near 100% certainty that JPIC is scum, so we should yeet him. it's that simple. it's a mistake to prioritize mechanics over scumhunting, and mechanics should not influence our votes when we have a near-confirmed scum in our midst

spirit is probably scum too fwiw, i just do not consider this a convincing argument to not lynch JPIC

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:44 am but what scum would claim to have cop’d mac. surely he wouldn’t think we’d believe that right? or is his whole game designed to see how far he can push the twtbaw envelope before we give in and just kill him?

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:32 am I just realised i didn't read 8 pages in between. way to go poison!

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:46 am

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:44 am but what scum would claim to have cop’d mac. surely he wouldn’t think we’d believe that right? or is his whole game designed to see how far he can push the twtbaw envelope before we give in and just kill him?

this is a legitimate point but there is also no way im ever not voting him today after that claim

at this point i think his main intention is just to push our buttons

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:41 am

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:32 am I just realised i didn't read 8 pages in between. way to go poison!

I just realised I didn't read 75 pages in between.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:01 pm So is sprityo. His cases on obv towns (me and alison) is probably just anti-spewing

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:49 amI just realized I should be voting you.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:04 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:03 pm I don’t think broseph was the NK anymore so I don’t think my refusing to claim has utility at this point

If I target the NK I get an extra vote the next day

if he wasn't the NK then there is no longer mech conf scum in hally's trio just saying

should still yeet there maybe but

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:57 am Is it too late to rescind the cop claim?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:59 am I demand that people start reading the game before making catchup posts, too many mistakes are being made

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:09 am ok of course everything that I've read had little AI meaning

I just wanted to say if Tim's a wolf here I caught him first since page 7 or something and you're all sheep

that's all

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:28 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:45 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:36 pm So prior to nutella flipping Nanook says:

"Inb4 Nutella flips mafia/rogue with a soup kill"

And haha, that's what she flips.

Why does wolf-Nanook make this post?

He says after EOD that he wants to say scum Nanook would never say that but he probably would because it's hilarious.

Why does he make this first post? So he can later point to it and say it's clearing? @Master Radishes you have wolfed with Nanook, would you say this is the kind of thing you saw scum Nanook do?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what was it about nutella that seemed town to you? I know you mentioned her push of me seemed like it came from a townie, was there anything else?

Are you unable to claim your role or do you just not want to?

I have never seen wolf Nanook only town Nanook which from a goofing off standpoint looks similar so I need some help. I'm questioning whether I should be voting Nanook and sprityo instead of JPIC and sprityo.

I thought she’d be trying to help people townread her a bit more if she was mafia. Then the claim stuff later obviously

I do not understand what you were trying to say here.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:15 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:09 am ok of course everything that I've read had little AI meaning

I just wanted to say if Tim's a wolf here I caught him first since page 7 or something and you're all sheep

that's all

Dude when I got to spec chat I was gonna blame everything on Oddmerta and Mac and leave you out of it.

JPIC, as one of the few people who gives your claim any credence at all I'd really appreciate it if you could maybe try to act like something other than a caught wolf here.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:22 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:15 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:09 am ok of course everything that I've read had little AI meaning

I just wanted to say if Tim's a wolf here I caught him first since page 7 or something and you're all sheep

that's all

Dude when I got to spec chat I was gonna blame everything on Oddmerta and Mac and leave you out of it.

JPIC, as one of the few people who gives your claim any credence at all I'd really appreciate it if you could maybe try to act like something other than a caught wolf here.

You martyring yourself for your fellow wolves is admirable

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:41 am I just voted who Mac voted.

Will two players be yeeted?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:15 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:09 am ok of course everything that I've read had little AI meaning

I just wanted to say if Tim's a wolf here I caught him first since page 7 or something and you're all sheep

that's all

Dude when I got to spec chat I was gonna blame everything on Oddmerta and Mac and leave you out of it.

JPIC, as one of the few people who gives your claim any credence at all I'd really appreciate it if you could maybe try to act like something other than a caught wolf here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:21 am World one - I wasn't the kill target. I received confirmation of only one role landing. Only one of the people targeting me last night are mafia. Mafia do not send multiple negative night actions at people almost ever with few exceptions. In this world Nook would have to think JPIC is mafia for that claim. He'd never entertain it in a second. There are outliers here not worth factoring in given the lack of info.

World two - I was the kill target. That means one of the other two are a doctor (not jailkeeper). If Nook visited me (unclaimed) and JPIC claims to be a cop visiting me, it stands to reason that it feels more likely Nook is the doctor. If he was the doctor and saw JPIC yolo a dumbshit cop claim onto me he'd insta snap vote the dude. Ergo he's not a doctor. Even if he was town that did something random he'd still doubt the claim for the same reason.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:04 amNo

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:11 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:04 amNo

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:15 pm Okay so I've realised some more things and I can't really go into too much detail without getting mod-killed but...

If Hally really did watch all three of them onto me, which seems a foregone conclusion. There are at least 2 mafia, maybe even 3 mafia, between Nanook, JPIC, Sprityo and Tim. I won't go into detail why Tim is in this group.

I know this isn't groundbreaking given the state of the POE and the game, but it IS groundbreaking in the sense that it means that town should just not waver from yeeting through these four in order/rain town PR onto them regardless of if we flip a town along the way. Stay the course. Please do not forget I said this and come out tomorrow after we choose wrong today and I flip tinfoiling onto SPF or some dumb shit. There is literally never less than two mafia in this group of four. There is never more than two town. I believe the most likely scenario is that it is actually three mafia, or two mafia and a rogue.

Also, since mafia put PR on me (post capper), it's very likely that I didn't have mafia KP on me. It is POSSIBLE that I had rogue KP on me though. But I think I had TWO mafia PR on me that were not KP in which case for there to also be rogue KP on me means I would have died (because only three people targeted me not including Hally, so there would be no protection against Rogue KP). So I don't think I had rogue KP on me. So I think that one of the three that targeted me probably targeted me with a town role. Of the four JPIC has hard claimed a strong investigative role which is just incredibly likely fake. Sprityo has claimed that he is allowed to infodump as has Tim. Only Nook has held his claim in a way that vibes with my understanding of how Sloonei is managing infodumping and roleclaiming.

Sprityo and JPIC both have major mafia equitty. But given JPIC has claimed cop we simply have to yeet Sprityo first.

Here are my rules. Flip Sprityo first. If he flips mafia assume Nook is town. If JPIC comes out with a green (or a really bad/unlikely red check infoyeet him). Only let JPIC target inside the POE. Only yeet Nook if Sprityo is town. Once you solve through these players always go Tim next regardless of what happened because I believe he is just mafia in all worlds, particularly a world where JPIC flips town.

@Justplayingitcool if you do survive today you are to check between the below players only. Do not reveal who you are checking. If you survive the night and out a check on anyone who isn't one of these three you are to be YEETED WITHOUT QUESTION.

Tutuu
Master Radishes
SPF

That is because these are names that have genuine potential to be deepwolfing and we have no mech on. We need mech on them. I'd personally rather put PC on here than SPF but it seems more people are scumreading SPF so it's better for thread health if we get mech on SPF than PC. Herm is not on here because I don't think Herm is a risk to endgame if they are mafia. I think we are going to yeet them at some point unless town wins earlier than we need to.

tl;dr

Tim is 99% mafia. Never let him survive this game. Ever.
JPIC is 95% likely to be mafia. Only let him survive if he outs a red check on one of the three names I've forced him to check in.
Sprityo is 95% likely to be mafia. He is only town in the world where Nook and JPIC are both mafia.
Nook is only mafia if at least one of the other three flips town, and lock mafia if two do. If there are two mafia between Tim/JPIC and Sprityo, Nook is cleared fmpov.
I really, really would prefer that we yeet Tim or Sprityo today over JPIC. I believe that it is always optimal no matter how batshit crazy JPIC's claim seems because I think they are both just as scummy as he is. The fact that he has a batshit crazy claim doesn't matter when he self resolves and they do not self resolve. FMPOV those three players are essentially equally likely to flip mafia (Tim slightly more likely), so JPIC gets to go last because he had the balls to claim Cop.

Please bookmark this post and use it as a guide in the following days please please please please.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:20 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:19 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:18 pm nanook's claim is almost definitely a scum claim but i cant articulate why

If I were scum I’d just hold the no claim or claim doc kek

I also wouldn’t be targeting joe to begin with in all likelihood unless I had a fake claim prepared, I am extremely aware of tracking/watching possibilities when mafia

im just skeptical you would even be allowed to claim

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:50 pm where im at is like

there are many ppl i tr either because of nut or because of their individually very towny

then there are a smaller group of ppl that imo have nothing really going for them

and i don’t really have any qualms eliminating every person in the bottom group and i probably won’t actually care much about the game until those ppl are all dead but i’ll probably be dead then too so idk

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:53 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:50 pm where im at is like

there are many ppl i tr either because of nut or because of their individually very towny

then there are a smaller group of ppl that imo have nothing really going for them

and i don’t really have any qualms eliminating every person in the bottom group and i probably won’t actually care much about the game until those ppl are all dead but i’ll probably be dead then too so idk

Not a bad take. I just think that if we flip Sprit and find a wolf...especially a wolf with some sort of power built upon post capping...that Nanook and JPIC then "have something going for them."

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:02 am it's hard to resist the urge to spam up the thread and comment on every post but it's spammy enough as is and I know exactly what I'm doing for the next few days so I don't really see the point. sometimes restraint is the best play and it helps people catch up

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:42 am @MacDougall I think you are making a horrible mistake letting jpic live here