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Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:14 pm
by Scirrus
Alison seems like she has a pretty idea how Proto would play if he was scum but like

ehhhhhhhh

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:15 pm
by Tangrowth
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:13 pm
Spoiler: show
cobbler wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:58 pm here's a compilation of this thread's scumreads. i'm hoping to hear from everyone with an update on where they stand on them now

1612 - has not provided any scumreads
Alison - the closest alison has come to a scumread was referring to urist's hesitancy to give reads as 'slightly scummy'
cobbler - the closest i have come to a scumread was dizzy's post saying i was town
Dyslexicon - had one scumread on proto that was later rescinded and explained to be a bit of a joke or gambit. hinted at a scumread on michelle just now
jeraldoo - has not provided any scumreads
Lavender - provided a scum read on LC. provided a scum read on me as a reaction test then got a second reaction which they didn't like. doesn't believe MP and dizzy could be scum together
Long Con - has not provided any scumreads
Michelle - the closest michelle has come to a scumread was highlighting a post by tutuu that she didn't like
M Plus 7 - has not provided any scumreads (but has filled my head with sunshine)
protocultures - provided a hard scum read on scirrus. provided an additional scum read on urist
Scirrus - has not provided any scumreads
tutuu - (their post history link is broken @dunya ) - has not provided any scumreads
Urist - provided a scumread on dizzy

aight i'm going to start saying sr instead of scumread because i typed 'scrumread' like 40 times just now

update on my thoughts on dizzy's post: it still pings me in a vacuum but i don't get the same vibe from the rest of their posts. still a suspect tho imo
doing a skim of new posts (if I have skipped questions, I will almost certaintly revisit them later) but i wanted to ping this post out as doing Town work. You can view it as NAI, but its more likely town. Unless cobbler is a super try hard mafia.
I don't think I disagree with you, but what about if wolf!cobbler is doing this as a way to integrate into the game without having to fabricate content (i.e., busywork)?

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:15 pm
by Tangrowth
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:14 pm Alison seems like she has a pretty idea how Proto would play if he was scum but like

ehhhhhhhh
What do you mean here?

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:15 pm
by Scirrus
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:14 pm Alison seems like she has a pretty idea how Proto would play if he was scum but like

ehhhhhhhh
*pretty good

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:17 pm
by Tangrowth
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:02 pm this will probably disturb 1612, jeraldoo and lavender to no end, but... thats not a bad thing.
This is hilarious because I had no idea you switched your avatar for any such reason and have been seeing it this way since your entrance due to the timing of my re-entrance! LMAO.

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:17 pm
by protocultures
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:10 pm I have a feeling Proto and I have very different perspectives on how to play the game so we'll probably butt heads regardless lol
possibly. I did a level 7 tunnel onto someone in my last game. Took me until like day 2, and then we just hard townread eachother.

if that is the end outcome here, im okay with it.

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:18 pm
by Tangrowth
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:17 pm
Urist wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:05 pm
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:23 pm Lots of mechanics things to talk about. Best person for cop to use night check on, whether doctor should use heals aggressively or save them for late in the game, best way to use tracker, whether a doublevote is mathematically more powerful now or in the late game, etc.

What makes you think I'm trying to find reasons to townread proto? We clearly have history with each other and proto said I pocketed him super deep in a previous game, which implies that I understand him quite well. Is it a surprise that I have my theory about what proto would or wouldn't do here as scum?
proto himself said that he's not doing it because the setup doesn't support it.
so either:
a) he's town and being genuine, in which case your reason for town reading him is incorrect.
b) he's scum, in which case your reason for town reading him is definitely incorrect.
c) he's town and you somehow know him better than he knows himself.
Judging by what you've said you seem to think that c is the case, which isn't something that I had considered before. And it's fine that you think that, but I don't think it really tells me anything about you other than that you think you know proto super well.
I wanted to drop this before I began to reveal myself as a pedantic ass, since this is such a small point that in the grand scheme of things really has no bearing on the game or anyone's alignment, but here we are.
I'm saying that proto, as scum, can easily find something to make up to talk about. Proto, as town, doesn't need to make up anything, so he just doesn't talk about mechanics and explains that he can't find anything he wants to talk about. It is as simple as that; and that is why I am townreading him for it.
Someone should talk to me about Urist and Alison's interactions; I need help trying to figure this association out.

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:18 pm
by protocultures
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:12 pm
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:10 pm I have a feeling Proto and I have very different perspectives on how to play the game so we'll probably butt heads regardless lol
Mood.
feeling pretty boomer, but I see "mood" a lot in mafia forums.

What does this mean?

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:18 pm
by Tangrowth
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:17 pm
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:10 pm I have a feeling Proto and I have very different perspectives on how to play the game so we'll probably butt heads regardless lol
possibly. I did a level 7 tunnel onto someone in my last game. Took me until like day 2, and then we just hard townread eachother.

if that is the end outcome here, im okay with it.
Well, I've been there too, haha.

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:19 pm
by protocultures
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:15 pm
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:13 pm
Spoiler: show
cobbler wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:58 pm here's a compilation of this thread's scumreads. i'm hoping to hear from everyone with an update on where they stand on them now

1612 - has not provided any scumreads
Alison - the closest alison has come to a scumread was referring to urist's hesitancy to give reads as 'slightly scummy'
cobbler - the closest i have come to a scumread was dizzy's post saying i was town
Dyslexicon - had one scumread on proto that was later rescinded and explained to be a bit of a joke or gambit. hinted at a scumread on michelle just now
jeraldoo - has not provided any scumreads
Lavender - provided a scum read on LC. provided a scum read on me as a reaction test then got a second reaction which they didn't like. doesn't believe MP and dizzy could be scum together
Long Con - has not provided any scumreads
Michelle - the closest michelle has come to a scumread was highlighting a post by tutuu that she didn't like
M Plus 7 - has not provided any scumreads (but has filled my head with sunshine)
protocultures - provided a hard scum read on scirrus. provided an additional scum read on urist
Scirrus - has not provided any scumreads
tutuu - (their post history link is broken @dunya ) - has not provided any scumreads
Urist - provided a scumread on dizzy

aight i'm going to start saying sr instead of scumread because i typed 'scrumread' like 40 times just now

update on my thoughts on dizzy's post: it still pings me in a vacuum but i don't get the same vibe from the rest of their posts. still a suspect tho imo
doing a skim of new posts (if I have skipped questions, I will almost certaintly revisit them later) but i wanted to ping this post out as doing Town work. You can view it as NAI, but its more likely town. Unless cobbler is a super try hard mafia.
I don't think I disagree with you, but what about if wolf!cobbler is doing this as a way to integrate into the game without having to fabricate content (i.e., busywork)?
yeah, im asking how try hard is mafia cobbler

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:19 pm
by Tangrowth
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:18 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:12 pm
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:10 pm I have a feeling Proto and I have very different perspectives on how to play the game so we'll probably butt heads regardless lol
Mood.
feeling pretty boomer, but I see "mood" a lot in mafia forums.

What does this mean?
Ta-da!

I don't think I could say it any better.

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:19 pm
by Scirrus
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:59 pm
Urist wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:46 am
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:45 am What does this mean?
the words tutuu chooses to use seem like they were chosen by town
Elaborate on this?
Urist wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 am Alison's town
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:48 am I feel like if proto was scum here he'd just play the way people expect him to play rather than going "I am deviating from my play in Space Invaders and here's why". It's not like it's a hard playstyle to fake.
proto said it himself, it would be literally impossible for him to commit to the same playstyle as Space Invaders, and the main reason for why he's saying it seems to be so that he isn't scumread for having a different playstyle.
If anything, proto saying he'll have a different playstyle is slightly scummy.
Giving him a townread for it is scummy as well.
Nah, all scum proto has to do is come in here and post 5000 words theorizing about game mechanics that everyone skims over, and then collect his free towncred. Everything he's done here just reeks of purity, and the "do you think I am scum? What about if I told you X? Shouldn't you scumread me if I told you Y?" thing is a quirk I've noticed he has in his gamesolving style as town. It's also a quirk that I haven't told him I noticed, so I don't think he's intentionally replicating it to pocket me.

(Also do you mean to say "Alison's scum"? Like you said I was town then went on to explain why my read was awful.)
I don't really share her confidence that he would do this if he randed scum this game. @MPlus7 But yeah maybe she just really feels like this is what he would do /shrug

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:20 pm
by Tangrowth
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:19 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:15 pm
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:13 pm
Spoiler: show
cobbler wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:58 pm here's a compilation of this thread's scumreads. i'm hoping to hear from everyone with an update on where they stand on them now

1612 - has not provided any scumreads
Alison - the closest alison has come to a scumread was referring to urist's hesitancy to give reads as 'slightly scummy'
cobbler - the closest i have come to a scumread was dizzy's post saying i was town
Dyslexicon - had one scumread on proto that was later rescinded and explained to be a bit of a joke or gambit. hinted at a scumread on michelle just now
jeraldoo - has not provided any scumreads
Lavender - provided a scum read on LC. provided a scum read on me as a reaction test then got a second reaction which they didn't like. doesn't believe MP and dizzy could be scum together
Long Con - has not provided any scumreads
Michelle - the closest michelle has come to a scumread was highlighting a post by tutuu that she didn't like
M Plus 7 - has not provided any scumreads (but has filled my head with sunshine)
protocultures - provided a hard scum read on scirrus. provided an additional scum read on urist
Scirrus - has not provided any scumreads
tutuu - (their post history link is broken @dunya ) - has not provided any scumreads
Urist - provided a scumread on dizzy

aight i'm going to start saying sr instead of scumread because i typed 'scrumread' like 40 times just now

update on my thoughts on dizzy's post: it still pings me in a vacuum but i don't get the same vibe from the rest of their posts. still a suspect tho imo
doing a skim of new posts (if I have skipped questions, I will almost certaintly revisit them later) but i wanted to ping this post out as doing Town work. You can view it as NAI, but its more likely town. Unless cobbler is a super try hard mafia.
I don't think I disagree with you, but what about if wolf!cobbler is doing this as a way to integrate into the game without having to fabricate content (i.e., busywork)?
yeah, im asking how try hard is mafia cobbler
Oh, I see what you mean, like if cobbler is tryhard, then you see it more as NAI?

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:20 pm
by protocultures
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:19 pm
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:18 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:12 pm
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:10 pm I have a feeling Proto and I have very different perspectives on how to play the game so we'll probably butt heads regardless lol
Mood.
feeling pretty boomer, but I see "mood" a lot in mafia forums.

What does this mean?
Ta-da!

I don't think I could say it any better.
so it means like, you agree?

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:21 pm
by Scirrus
I should probably interact with Alison instead of just talking about her. I feel like I"m being rude xP

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:21 pm
by Tangrowth
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:19 pm
Spoiler: show
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:59 pm
Urist wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:46 am
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:45 am What does this mean?
the words tutuu chooses to use seem like they were chosen by town
Elaborate on this?
Urist wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 am Alison's town
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:48 am I feel like if proto was scum here he'd just play the way people expect him to play rather than going "I am deviating from my play in Space Invaders and here's why". It's not like it's a hard playstyle to fake.
proto said it himself, it would be literally impossible for him to commit to the same playstyle as Space Invaders, and the main reason for why he's saying it seems to be so that he isn't scumread for having a different playstyle.
If anything, proto saying he'll have a different playstyle is slightly scummy.
Giving him a townread for it is scummy as well.
Nah, all scum proto has to do is come in here and post 5000 words theorizing about game mechanics that everyone skims over, and then collect his free towncred. Everything he's done here just reeks of purity, and the "do you think I am scum? What about if I told you X? Shouldn't you scumread me if I told you Y?" thing is a quirk I've noticed he has in his gamesolving style as town. It's also a quirk that I haven't told him I noticed, so I don't think he's intentionally replicating it to pocket me.

(Also do you mean to say "Alison's scum"? Like you said I was town then went on to explain why my read was awful.)
I don't really share her confidence that he would do this if he randed scum this game. @MPlus7 But yeah maybe she just really feels like this is what he would do /shrug
Got it. Thanks, Scirrus! What is your experience with proto?

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:21 pm
by Scirrus
I blame time zones

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:21 pm
by Tangrowth
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:20 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:19 pm
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:18 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:12 pm
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:10 pm I have a feeling Proto and I have very different perspectives on how to play the game so we'll probably butt heads regardless lol
Mood.
feeling pretty boomer, but I see "mood" a lot in mafia forums.

What does this mean?
Ta-da!

I don't think I could say it any better.
so it means like, you agree?
Well, basically, but it's more of experiencing a shared feeling instead of agreeing with a sentiment, which is more of a conscious decision. Does that make sense?

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:22 pm
by Tangrowth
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:21 pm I should probably interact with Alison instead of just talking about her. I feel like I"m being rude xP
Alright, you can be town, haha. Yay!

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:22 pm
by protocultures
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:20 pm
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:19 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:15 pm
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:13 pm
Spoiler: show
cobbler wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:58 pm here's a compilation of this thread's scumreads. i'm hoping to hear from everyone with an update on where they stand on them now

1612 - has not provided any scumreads
Alison - the closest alison has come to a scumread was referring to urist's hesitancy to give reads as 'slightly scummy'
cobbler - the closest i have come to a scumread was dizzy's post saying i was town
Dyslexicon - had one scumread on proto that was later rescinded and explained to be a bit of a joke or gambit. hinted at a scumread on michelle just now
jeraldoo - has not provided any scumreads
Lavender - provided a scum read on LC. provided a scum read on me as a reaction test then got a second reaction which they didn't like. doesn't believe MP and dizzy could be scum together
Long Con - has not provided any scumreads
Michelle - the closest michelle has come to a scumread was highlighting a post by tutuu that she didn't like
M Plus 7 - has not provided any scumreads (but has filled my head with sunshine)
protocultures - provided a hard scum read on scirrus. provided an additional scum read on urist
Scirrus - has not provided any scumreads
tutuu - (their post history link is broken @dunya ) - has not provided any scumreads
Urist - provided a scumread on dizzy

aight i'm going to start saying sr instead of scumread because i typed 'scrumread' like 40 times just now

update on my thoughts on dizzy's post: it still pings me in a vacuum but i don't get the same vibe from the rest of their posts. still a suspect tho imo
doing a skim of new posts (if I have skipped questions, I will almost certaintly revisit them later) but i wanted to ping this post out as doing Town work. You can view it as NAI, but its more likely town. Unless cobbler is a super try hard mafia.
I don't think I disagree with you, but what about if wolf!cobbler is doing this as a way to integrate into the game without having to fabricate content (i.e., busywork)?
yeah, im asking how try hard is mafia cobbler
Oh, I see what you mean, like if cobbler is tryhard, then you see it more as NAI?
yeah pretty much. If they are super try hard, its more NAI to scummy, than pure NAI.

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:22 pm
by protocultures
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:21 pm
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:20 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:19 pm
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:18 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:12 pm
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:10 pm I have a feeling Proto and I have very different perspectives on how to play the game so we'll probably butt heads regardless lol
Mood.
feeling pretty boomer, but I see "mood" a lot in mafia forums.

What does this mean?
Ta-da!

I don't think I could say it any better.
so it means like, you agree?
Well, basically, but it's more of experiencing a shared feeling instead of agreeing with a sentiment, which is more of a conscious decision. Does that make sense?
mood?

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:23 pm
by Tangrowth
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:22 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:20 pm
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:19 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:15 pm
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:13 pm
Spoiler: show
cobbler wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:58 pm here's a compilation of this thread's scumreads. i'm hoping to hear from everyone with an update on where they stand on them now

1612 - has not provided any scumreads
Alison - the closest alison has come to a scumread was referring to urist's hesitancy to give reads as 'slightly scummy'
cobbler - the closest i have come to a scumread was dizzy's post saying i was town
Dyslexicon - had one scumread on proto that was later rescinded and explained to be a bit of a joke or gambit. hinted at a scumread on michelle just now
jeraldoo - has not provided any scumreads
Lavender - provided a scum read on LC. provided a scum read on me as a reaction test then got a second reaction which they didn't like. doesn't believe MP and dizzy could be scum together
Long Con - has not provided any scumreads
Michelle - the closest michelle has come to a scumread was highlighting a post by tutuu that she didn't like
M Plus 7 - has not provided any scumreads (but has filled my head with sunshine)
protocultures - provided a hard scum read on scirrus. provided an additional scum read on urist
Scirrus - has not provided any scumreads
tutuu - (their post history link is broken @dunya ) - has not provided any scumreads
Urist - provided a scumread on dizzy

aight i'm going to start saying sr instead of scumread because i typed 'scrumread' like 40 times just now

update on my thoughts on dizzy's post: it still pings me in a vacuum but i don't get the same vibe from the rest of their posts. still a suspect tho imo
doing a skim of new posts (if I have skipped questions, I will almost certaintly revisit them later) but i wanted to ping this post out as doing Town work. You can view it as NAI, but its more likely town. Unless cobbler is a super try hard mafia.
I don't think I disagree with you, but what about if wolf!cobbler is doing this as a way to integrate into the game without having to fabricate content (i.e., busywork)?
yeah, im asking how try hard is mafia cobbler
Oh, I see what you mean, like if cobbler is tryhard, then you see it more as NAI?
yeah pretty much. If they are super try hard, its more NAI to scummy, than pure NAI.
Hmmm, interesting, not sure I'd have thought of it that way. I like the thought process!

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:23 pm
by Scirrus
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:21 pm
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:19 pm
Spoiler: show
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:59 pm
Urist wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:46 am
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:45 am What does this mean?
the words tutuu chooses to use seem like they were chosen by town
Elaborate on this?
Urist wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 am Alison's town
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:48 am I feel like if proto was scum here he'd just play the way people expect him to play rather than going "I am deviating from my play in Space Invaders and here's why". It's not like it's a hard playstyle to fake.
proto said it himself, it would be literally impossible for him to commit to the same playstyle as Space Invaders, and the main reason for why he's saying it seems to be so that he isn't scumread for having a different playstyle.
If anything, proto saying he'll have a different playstyle is slightly scummy.
Giving him a townread for it is scummy as well.
Nah, all scum proto has to do is come in here and post 5000 words theorizing about game mechanics that everyone skims over, and then collect his free towncred. Everything he's done here just reeks of purity, and the "do you think I am scum? What about if I told you X? Shouldn't you scumread me if I told you Y?" thing is a quirk I've noticed he has in his gamesolving style as town. It's also a quirk that I haven't told him I noticed, so I don't think he's intentionally replicating it to pocket me.

(Also do you mean to say "Alison's scum"? Like you said I was town then went on to explain why my read was awful.)
I don't really share her confidence that he would do this if he randed scum this game. @MPlus7 But yeah maybe she just really feels like this is what he would do /shrug
Got it. Thanks, Scirrus! What is your experience with proto?
Not much. I've played a voice game but I really haven't gleemed much about what he's like from that. I looked at a few of his posts in Space Invaders but they were all mechanics and I'm not sure how they would apply here. He just seems like a confident player who isn't afraid to push what he wants.

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:24 pm
by Tangrowth
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:22 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:21 pm
Spoiler: show
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:20 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:19 pm
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:18 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:12 pm
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:10 pm I have a feeling Proto and I have very different perspectives on how to play the game so we'll probably butt heads regardless lol
Mood.
feeling pretty boomer, but I see "mood" a lot in mafia forums.

What does this mean?
Ta-da!

I don't think I could say it any better.
so it means like, you agree?
Well, basically, but it's more of experiencing a shared feeling instead of agreeing with a sentiment, which is more of a conscious decision. Does that make sense?
mood?
Hehe!

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:24 pm
by Tangrowth
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:23 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:21 pm
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:19 pm
Spoiler: show
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:59 pm
Urist wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:46 am
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:45 am What does this mean?
the words tutuu chooses to use seem like they were chosen by town
Elaborate on this?
Urist wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 am Alison's town
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:48 am I feel like if proto was scum here he'd just play the way people expect him to play rather than going "I am deviating from my play in Space Invaders and here's why". It's not like it's a hard playstyle to fake.
proto said it himself, it would be literally impossible for him to commit to the same playstyle as Space Invaders, and the main reason for why he's saying it seems to be so that he isn't scumread for having a different playstyle.
If anything, proto saying he'll have a different playstyle is slightly scummy.
Giving him a townread for it is scummy as well.
Nah, all scum proto has to do is come in here and post 5000 words theorizing about game mechanics that everyone skims over, and then collect his free towncred. Everything he's done here just reeks of purity, and the "do you think I am scum? What about if I told you X? Shouldn't you scumread me if I told you Y?" thing is a quirk I've noticed he has in his gamesolving style as town. It's also a quirk that I haven't told him I noticed, so I don't think he's intentionally replicating it to pocket me.

(Also do you mean to say "Alison's scum"? Like you said I was town then went on to explain why my read was awful.)
I don't really share her confidence that he would do this if he randed scum this game. @MPlus7 But yeah maybe she just really feels like this is what he would do /shrug
Got it. Thanks, Scirrus! What is your experience with proto?
Not much. I've played a voice game but I really haven't gleemed much about what he's like from that. I looked at a few of his posts in Space Invaders but they were all mechanics and I'm not sure how they would apply here. He just seems like a confident player who isn't afraid to push what he wants.
Cool, thanks!

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:24 pm
by Scirrus
M+ what are your reads looking like? I'll reverse your question to me back on to you

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:25 pm
by Tangrowth
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:33 pm
tutuu wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:22 pm im kinda vibing with alisons posts

i have no idea if i can read her of i will ever be able to read her but my heart is just telling me "alison town"
listen to your heart
I'm not sure why, but my gut mildly thinks this sounds w/w. Huh.

I think it's mostly due to the extreme hedging in tutuu's post when otherwise she's been less like that with other reads, perhaps indicating she has TMI about other players and is trying to have it both ways with a wolfmate here.

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:26 pm
by Scirrus
[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] confirmed scum for talking about coffee btw

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:26 pm
by Tangrowth
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:25 pm
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:33 pm
tutuu wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:22 pm im kinda vibing with alisons posts

i have no idea if i can read her of i will ever be able to read her but my heart is just telling me "alison town"
listen to your heart
I'm not sure why, but my gut mildly thinks this sounds w/w. Huh.

I think it's mostly due to the extreme hedging in tutuu's post when otherwise she's been less like that with other reads, perhaps indicating she has TMI about other players and is trying to have it both ways with a wolfmate here.
In fact, you know what? Let's see what happens here.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:28 pm
by Tangrowth
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:24 pm M+ what are your reads looking like? I'll reverse your question to me back on to you
Things are still in flux... but right now I like you, Dizzy, and Urist as my top 3 town. I think cobbler also looks pretty good. I probably wouldn't want to yeet proto today either.

After that it gets tougher. I have mixed feelings on tutuu. I'll have to try to devote more headspace to the other players.

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:28 pm
by Tangrowth
I also liked Lavender but I didn't get much of any alignment feel while we were both in the thread. I'd like to revisit that at some point.

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:30 pm
by Tangrowth
tutuu wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:44 am MP7 tr for her excitement to start the game and inquisitiveness (is that a word?) to get the ball rolling and stuff
tutuu wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:49 am mm my eyes started glazing over towards the last part of day 1. i will need to eat breakfast first and focus.

i keep rolling around in my head the idea to townread urist but im not feeling it. or like i feel some paranoia about it. i wanna be correct i dont wanna make one single wrong read

i feel 0 paranoia about MP7 being town
This is also a selfish read, and those are... ughhh, but. I'm not sure how to feel about this read. I also haven't gotten any sense that tutuu has developed it since that initial read, which is a bit notable given I am the top poster, but I also realize my entrance and re-entrance were spaced out.

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:32 pm
by Tangrowth
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:44 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:37 pm More posts hype!

I'm pre-occupied with other matters, but I want to and will get back in here ASAP, probably this evening Pacific time.
Hey MP7. A lot of the players in the game are hard townreading you. What are your thoughts on this? Do you suspect there might be some TMIers or scum trying to pocket you in that bunch, or do you think that it's just town finding each other early?
Hey, Alison!

I mean, anything's possible for sure. Incidentally I'm unsure about tutuu's treatment of me specifically. Otherwise I haven't had anything strongly hit my gut either way in terms of selfish reads, but also while I inevitably will have selfish thoughts I try to de-prioritize them when it comes to other options of reads information, if that makes sense.

What were you hoping to gain from this question?

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:34 pm
by Tangrowth
Okay, I don't think Alison and Urist are w/w at least.

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:35 pm
by Tangrowth
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:28 pm
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:24 pm M+ what are your reads looking like? I'll reverse your question to me back on to you
Things are still in flux... but right now I like you, Dizzy, and Urist as my top 3 town. I think cobbler also looks pretty good. I probably wouldn't want to yeet proto today either.

After that it gets tougher. I have mixed feelings on tutuu. I'll have to try to devote more headspace to the other players.
Now that I've caught up, let me try to sort through my thoughts and work up a proper reads list.

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:36 pm
by Dyslexicon
Urist wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:27 pmWhat, you don't ask the mods to throw away their integrity for you?
I loled
Lavender wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:01 pm hi everybody please enjoy the following reads which i had a great time making and consist of a combination of my brain and heart 🧠💖

notes:

1612 - if he ever says "oh no" it's a sure sign of absolutely nothing because its nai. we play all the time on mafia.gg. if he doesn't tunnel me he is likely mafia. if he does tunnel me we're both town 🧱🧱🧱
Alison - gut townread, i like the early reaction test voting on michelle cuz it's something i do a lot, will be watching to see if it was really a reaction test or something else 🔦
cobbler - gut scum read 🥃
Dyslexicon - they and mp7 are not both scum, see below ⬇
jeraldooo - now u may or may not know this but jeraldoo and i have a psychic connection where we can pretty much always townread each other when we are both town. on the other hand we also townread each when one of us is mafia and one of us is town. or at least when i'm mafia and he's town. i don't actually know if this holds true if we are both mafia. but anyway i'm gonna bus him if he doesn't show up soon 🔮🚌
Long Con - gut scum read, i don't like the warning to dyslexicon about mplus7 👀
Michelle - probably pr, come at me 😎
M Plus 7: apparently universally townread. into transparency. has lots of interaction with dyslexicon. so...doubt they are both scum 🧐
proto - in mafia.gg and daily mafia my scumtells for proto are scumreading someone quickly d1 and then backing off. so i'm watching to see if he backs off urist. on the other hand he put a lot of effort into his reads. but i guess that's the point of forum. also proto and i aren't both scum cuz would we really use the same format of posting notes, hell no we wouldn't, like i actually copy pasted it, come on now 🦚
Scirrus - putting lots of effort into their posts, but i townread them more than urist 🤷‍♂️
tutuuu - town, i like their style. this is probably going to be my gut tr that causes me to lose the game for town in f3, which will be an excellent opportunity for me to become the forum player i was born to be, next game of course 🖤
Urist - posted scar poem, nai all the way down. putting lots of effort into their posts. i kinda want to vote them to pocket proto, also they seem like the kind of town player that mafia would be scared to push, so we can just banish them and then vote the nonvoters when they flip blue, game solved pog 🎮

so long story short i'm voting long con. now i have to figure out how to vote, hold up
I don't know where to begin with this post.
Are you mafia? Cause I feel yes. Can you talk a little bit about how you're used to playing and how long you've played?
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:20 pmI appreciate the thoughts nonetheless! It has been a curse, I wanted nothing more than to rand the same alignment as you here. I suppose w/w would have been pretty dope too! Hehe!
Let's do w/w next time I rand scum. I think I have about 22 games left before it happens - go 2022! =p
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:51 pm Dizzy, why are you feeling Alison as scum?
I'm not even sure I do? But I'm thinking if Alison is scum, Proto is probably town, and I also think that Alison's read on Proto smells a bit TMI. Not even just the read, but also the amount of focus. Like she wastes no opportunity to point out why Proto is town, and I don't follow much of it myself tbh. And I think we have the same amount of experience with him. I really don't know how to read Alison herself though. I've played with her when she was town once and when she was scum once, and I thought she was town both times. Big rip
cobbler wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:04 pm you're far too kind when all i've had to say about you so far is that you viscerally shook me to my core by calling me a townie lol
Lol, your reaction is why I love you. Please be my adoptee like Scirrus is. It's only 27% creepy. =p
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:10 pm I have a feeling Proto and I have very different perspectives on how to play the game so we'll probably butt heads regardless lol
Can confirm.
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:13 pm Oh no I have 100 posts how did that happen
Show off smh

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:36 pm
by Dyslexicon
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:26 pmIn fact, you know what? Let's see what happens here.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine
I am confusion. Tutu is one of my strongest town reads tbh tbh

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:38 pm
by Scirrus
Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:07 am Alison/Proto would be my favorite and not impossible tbh tbh

I had this thought at first but yeah I dunno about Proto. I could see scum!alison trying to whiteknight proto. I'm having more trouble fitting Proto in a scum mindset then Alison here.

I think Alison might be this site's Plat for me lol

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:38 pm
by Tangrowth
Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:36 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:26 pmIn fact, you know what? Let's see what happens here.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine
I am confusion. Tutu is one of my strongest town reads tbh tbh
I'm pretty torn. I really like some of their stuff. I thought the treatment of Alison specifically was sketch though, especially since the approach clashes hard with other reads given... which may reek of TMI.

I'm not sure, but... I wanted to get some thoughts there. Maybe I'm crazy.

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:39 pm
by Tangrowth
Some of her stuff, rather!

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:39 pm
by Dyslexicon
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:26 pm @Dyslexicon confirmed scum for talking about coffee btw
Can't argue with this. Logic flawless.

Also, I just got a new bf because weeeeee and HE DOESN'T DRINK COFFEE! (But otherwise he's great (also also, he's shorter than me which is super hype tbh lol)) But anyway, I'm at his place right now, woke up, and no coffee in the house. I was thinking of quitting actually, but right now I'm thinking that I will never quit...

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:39 pm
by Scirrus
All i'm seeing LC doing is chiming in to say things from people are NAI. I don't really like that.

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:40 pm
by Dyslexicon
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:38 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:07 am Alison/Proto would be my favorite and not impossible tbh tbh

I had this thought at first but yeah I dunno about Proto. I could see scum!alison trying to whiteknight proto. I'm having more trouble fitting Proto in a scum mindset then Alison here.

I think Alison might be this site's Plat for me lol
Thoughts on Lavender?

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:41 pm
by Tangrowth
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:39 pm All i'm seeing LC doing is chiming in to say things from people are NAI. I don't really like that.
I'm also underwhelmed, but I know LC can take a bit to get going and I'm willing to give him a bit of time to collect his thoughts. I'm supportive of pressure there though.

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:41 pm
by Tangrowth
Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:39 pm
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:26 pm @Dyslexicon confirmed scum for talking about coffee btw
Can't argue with this. Logic flawless.

Also, I just got a new bf because weeeeee and HE DOESN'T DRINK COFFEE! (But otherwise he's great (also also, he's shorter than me which is super hype tbh lol)) But anyway, I'm at his place right now, woke up, and no coffee in the house. I was thinking of quitting actually, but right now I'm thinking that I will never quit...
Omg! Imagine not drinking coffee.

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:42 pm
by Dyslexicon
I don't follow the Urist/Alison convo very well tbh. I get the impression that Urist is a smart player, but I still want to lean town on him as I haven't found anything wrong with his posts. Alison is idk

Re: The Lion King [Day 0]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:43 pm
by Dyslexicon
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:38 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:36 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:26 pmIn fact, you know what? Let's see what happens here.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine
I am confusion. Tutu is one of my strongest town reads tbh tbh
I'm pretty torn. I really like some of their stuff. I thought the treatment of Alison specifically was sketch though, especially since the approach clashes hard with other reads given... which may reek of TMI.

I'm not sure, but... I wanted to get some thoughts there. Maybe I'm crazy.
What treatment is this? I do not recall.

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:46 pm
by Scirrus
Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:39 pm
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:26 pm @Dyslexicon confirmed scum for talking about coffee btw
Can't argue with this. Logic flawless.

Also, I just got a new bf because weeeeee and HE DOESN'T DRINK COFFEE! (But otherwise he's great (also also, he's shorter than me which is super hype tbh lol)) But anyway, I'm at his place right now, woke up, and no coffee in the house. I was thinking of quitting actually, but right now I'm thinking that I will never quit...
OMG CUTE! As a fellow short person I stan. But yeah, you should definitely get him addicted to it so coffee all the time. Coffee is both love and life. I'm terrible don't listen to

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:46 pm
by Scirrus
I haven't read lavender's posts yet tbh I will check

Re: The Lion King [Day 1]

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:47 pm
by Tangrowth
MP7 D1 vibes reads

Strong town
Dyslexicon
Scirrus
Urist


Moderate town
cobbler
protocultures


Slight town
Alison

Mind vs. gut battle
tutuu

POE
1612
jeraldooo
Lavender
Long Con
Michelle


This is how I'm feeling right now. Players are sorted across tiers, but alphabetically within them.

I almost want to give LC a slight town read, but I'm awaiting more data. I need to go back and look at Lavender again but eh. 1612, jeraldo, and Michelle have essentially no content to judge.

It almost feels probable I'm wrong about one of my town reads, but that's okay. The game doesn't need to be solved right now!