The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:15 pm @Alison Why is the wagon on Wilgy suggestive of a save? Sean called for votes there, and he was town. I voted after him, and I am town. Why was it a save?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:12 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:11 pm ender whats your take on me tbh

You feel like you're playing a distant game which on first pass I want to scumread but I doubt you're with the other people I'm scumreading so you gotta be just town right?

That's my bad take on you.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:46 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:38 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:17 pmMy read on Boquise is deeply spiritual. I gleaned it from the garnet crystal I keep next to my bed. Boq and I have a somewhat unique experience to draw from, and it's a single game (champs, season 7, semifinal 3). Boq had less than a good time in that game, and it kind of became a standard bearer for him as a descriptor of his "town self-worth". Just given what happened in that game and the conversations I have had with Boq since, I have a decently developed mental concept of what town Boq ought to look like in our next game. And I think he is starting this one in decent alignment with that mental concept. He seeks to put his turbulence behind him and solve the cot-damned game. At least that's my initial impression.

This is some time after the initial Boq town read, and this is what's been hunting me in thinking that Jay w and Boq v seems weird. Unless "deeply spiritual" is just a way for Jay to shamelessly pocket. It's funny how I have resistant to think it is, when I shamelessly emotionally pocketed Illario in Fleabag. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, and it's just more of a joke, which the second line would imply tbh.

lets say jjj, alison, ender, fingers are town, also i am town so like tbh
who's scum iyo?

If Dizzy/Alison/JJJ/Me/You/Fingers are all town then wolves have to be in Creature/Rondo/Nate/Marmot/Lucy.

Rondo is being townread by a lot so that reduces it to 3 in Creature/Nate/Marmot/Lucy.

And I don't feel like that's the case.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:16 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:15 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:09 pmDon't ask me to vote for Jay if you can't deal with the pressure of forcing that wagon

I don't really know what you're saying here.

I'm frustrated that you seem to tinfoil me when I'm trying to entertain your desires in this game.

I love you and I am not voting you and I might vote Alison.

Out of Creature and Ender, who do you most like to see DEAD

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:57 pm I do not feel comfortable in terms of surety.

Rondo/Marmot/Dizzy town feels good to me.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:16 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:15 pm @Alison Why is the wagon on Wilgy suggestive of a save? Sean called for votes there, and he was town. I voted after him, and I am town. Why was it a save?

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:16 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:12 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:11 pm ender whats your take on me tbh

You feel like you're playing a distant game which on first pass I want to scumread but I doubt you're with the other people I'm scumreading so you gotta be just town right?

That's my bad take on you.

i thought you had a stronger reason since you said you liked my posts so much and stuff tbh ):

this is like when you are out at the club with peeps and someone says "you are pretty nice i like you" and then the next day they are like "uh your sweater was nice ig?"

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:18 pm I think the bow/Alison/jjj could be wolf shear and if I had to shoot outside of that on that list it would be lucy then creature but lucy is widely town read so [VOTE: creature ] aubergine

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:20 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:16 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:12 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:11 pm ender whats your take on me tbh

You feel like you're playing a distant game which on first pass I want to scumread but I doubt you're with the other people I'm scumreading so you gotta be just town right?

That's my bad take on you.

i thought you had a stronger reason since you said you liked my posts so much and stuff tbh ):

this is like when you are out at the club with peeps and someone says "you are pretty nice i like you" and then the next day they are like "uh your sweater was nice ig?"

The problem is I like your posts when you post them but every time I read back I'm like "But this all could come from mafia tho." and can't find anything that makes me sure you're town.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:20 pmWhat do you think went on D2, if Wilgy wasn't meant to be a save? Do you think the other candidates under threat that day (finger, Ender, to a lesser extent myself) are all town, mafia felt comfortable with the gamestate, and then a wagon comp of primarily townies rushed through a last minute exe on Wilgy? That doesn't feel like what happened to me.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:20 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:16 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:15 pm @Alison Why is the wagon on Wilgy suggestive of a save? Sean called for votes there, and he was town. I voted after him, and I am town. Why was it a save?

Sorry, quote error.

I don't think Wilgy was in the list of prime candidates to be exed. He was taking a bit of heat, but not a ton, and there were a couple of people, including me, vouching for him.

I leave the thread close to EOD with a big leading wagon on finger and come back to a guy that I didn't expect to take much heat being a runaway exe and flipping town. I am deeply suspicious of flash wagons in general and I think the Wilgy wagon would count as one.

I think it is very easy for mafia to pile onto a wagon started by a townie when their mafia buddy is under threat.

What do you think went on D2, if Wilgy wasn't meant to be a save? Do you think the other candidates under threat that day (finger, Ender, to a lesser extent myself) are all town, mafia felt comfortable with the gamestate, and then a wagon comp of primarily townies rushed through a last minute exe on Wilgy? That doesn't feel like what happened to me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:19 pm @Dyslexicon instead of rehashing the dialogues on Ender that we've already covered, here's something new to consider: his treatment of Nate. There've been some hints today of Ender thinking about Nate, but the hints don't seem to progress to something more than hints. It's the kind of thing that I think looks like lip service, when the real Ender presence of Day 3 is just "vote Jay". Examples:

Spoiler: show

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:57 am Re: Nate

I'll grant you he's easy to push (Used this in Champs kinda), but in champs he felt like his thoughts were more nuanced and built around the findings he had. This game he seems passive, out of sorts, and entirely unwilling to grapple with anyone or have any hard stances. He admits it himself, which is a minor point in his favour.

Can you talk to me about what you found in his post history that you think as town?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:25 pm Nate is also super sus for the fact that he has no solid decisiveness about his reads.

He provides those lovely scalding hot lists and then is like "But I'm not sure".

I'm ngl I'm trying to remember if he did that in Quals, need to check.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:37 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:25 pm Nate is also super sus for the fact that he has no solid decisiveness about his reads.

He provides those lovely scalding hot lists and then is like "But I'm not sure".

I'm ngl I'm trying to remember if he did that in Quals, need to check.

I posted a lengthy take on Nate. You should tell me what you make of it.

I think it's a decent ISO. I do agree that Nate is logically consistent, which I don't think is entirely town of him but I do like it.

I think that the major thing that sticks to me is how he doesn't have a strong case for anyone. I certainly remember from our qualifier that it felt like he had more conviction.

That being said, there is a certain listlessness about this state of game that I empathise with.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:00 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:18 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:48 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:03 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:00 pm I do think you are favouring his logical consistency and state in thread a lot more than I am

I think he would break his scum range hard if he's mafia here tbh

Wut?

He feels like he's out of his scum range to me.

Your tone towards me here is a little weird. You seem more stressed than happy that I'm viewing the game pretty much the same way you are rn?

Stressed irl, has nothing to do with you <3

It's coming through in a lot.

I'm also like, wondering if I'm actually right on JJJ because I read over the Nate ISO and actually felt I agreed with several comments.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:18 am Dyslexicon
Rondo

Marmot

Lucy
Creature

NateTheLesser
Fingersplints
Boq
Alison
JJJ

While I always appreciate someone reviewing my work, particularly a suspect of mine, this makes it all seem pointless. I think that this is an example of a broader trend for Ender's Day 3 that I first alluded to here (click), and in combination with the previous gripes of Day 2 (click). Going through the motions. I don't really understand your town read.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:21 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:20 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:16 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:12 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:11 pm ender whats your take on me tbh

You feel like you're playing a distant game which on first pass I want to scumread but I doubt you're with the other people I'm scumreading so you gotta be just town right?

That's my bad take on you.

i thought you had a stronger reason since you said you liked my posts so much and stuff tbh ):

this is like when you are out at the club with peeps and someone says "you are pretty nice i like you" and then the next day they are like "uh your sweater was nice ig?"

The problem is I like your posts when you post them but every time I read back I'm like "But this all could come from mafia tho." and can't find anything that makes me sure you're town.

this is like a very standard reason town uses to scum read me when i am town fwiw tbh

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:14 pm @Boquise Not sure how you got that though. Because Creature was calling Falcon possible mafia while at the same time complaining that the direction was off. He was also entertaining Wilgy as possible mafia, while at the same time whining that town was not chopping mafia. I don't understand Creature's play at all at all if he's town here tbh.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:20 pm Okay, spreadsheet stuff:

Day 1 Votes:

Spoiler: show

Day 2 Votes:

Spoiler: show

Waterfall:

Spoiler: show

EOD Wagons:

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:22 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:20 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:16 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:15 pm @Alison Why is the wagon on Wilgy suggestive of a save? Sean called for votes there, and he was town. I voted after him, and I am town. Why was it a save?

Sorry, quote error.

I don't think Wilgy was in the list of prime candidates to be exed. He was taking a bit of heat, but not a ton, and there were a couple of people, including me, vouching for him.

I leave the thread close to EOD with a big leading wagon on finger and come back to a guy that I didn't expect to take much heat being a runaway exe and flipping town. I am deeply suspicious of flash wagons in general and I think the Wilgy wagon would count as one.

I think it is very easy for mafia to pile onto a wagon started by a townie when their mafia buddy is under threat.

What do you think went on D2, if Wilgy wasn't meant to be a save? Do you think the other candidates under threat that day (finger, Ender, to a lesser extent myself) are all town, mafia felt comfortable with the gamestate, and then a wagon comp of primarily townies rushed through a last minute exe on Wilgy? That doesn't feel like what happened to me.

This is relying on fingersplints being mafia ofc. Have you read up on her today and do you still feel strongly about her being scum?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:19 pm @Dyslexicon instead of rehashing the dialogues on Ender that we've already covered, here's something new to consider: his treatment of Nate. There've been some hints today of Ender thinking about Nate, but the hints don't seem to progress to something more than hints. It's the kind of thing that I think looks like lip service, when the real Ender presence of Day 3 is just "vote Jay". Examples:

Spoiler: show

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:57 am Re: Nate

I'll grant you he's easy to push (Used this in Champs kinda), but in champs he felt like his thoughts were more nuanced and built around the findings he had. This game he seems passive, out of sorts, and entirely unwilling to grapple with anyone or have any hard stances. He admits it himself, which is a minor point in his favour.

Can you talk to me about what you found in his post history that you think as town?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:25 pm Nate is also super sus for the fact that he has no solid decisiveness about his reads.

He provides those lovely scalding hot lists and then is like "But I'm not sure".

I'm ngl I'm trying to remember if he did that in Quals, need to check.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:37 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:25 pm Nate is also super sus for the fact that he has no solid decisiveness about his reads.

He provides those lovely scalding hot lists and then is like "But I'm not sure".

I'm ngl I'm trying to remember if he did that in Quals, need to check.

I posted a lengthy take on Nate. You should tell me what you make of it.

I think it's a decent ISO. I do agree that Nate is logically consistent, which I don't think is entirely town of him but I do like it.

I think that the major thing that sticks to me is how he doesn't have a strong case for anyone. I certainly remember from our qualifier that it felt like he had more conviction.

That being said, there is a certain listlessness about this state of game that I empathise with.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:00 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:18 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:48 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:03 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:00 pm I do think you are favouring his logical consistency and state in thread a lot more than I am

I think he would break his scum range hard if he's mafia here tbh

Wut?

He feels like he's out of his scum range to me.

Your tone towards me here is a little weird. You seem more stressed than happy that I'm viewing the game pretty much the same way you are rn?

Stressed irl, has nothing to do with you <3

It's coming through in a lot.

I'm also like, wondering if I'm actually right on JJJ because I read over the Nate ISO and actually felt I agreed with several comments.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:18 am Dyslexicon
Rondo

Marmot

Lucy
Creature

NateTheLesser
Fingersplints
Boq
Alison
JJJ

While I always appreciate someone reviewing my work, particularly a suspect of mine, this makes it all seem pointless. I think that this is an example of a broader trend for Ender's Day 3 that I first alluded to here (click), and in combination with the previous gripes of Day 2 (click). Going through the motions. I don't really understand your town read.

How clearly do I have to say "I Sus Nate and think he's wolf" to get through?

I explicitly said after I agreed about the logic consistency that I thought you were weighing that TOO HIGHLY.

I am not voting Nate because people I townread disagree with me and I acknowledge they could be right.

This is called "Actually listening to your townreads."

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:00 pm I do think you are favouring his logical consistency and state in thread a lot more than I am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:13 pm @RondoDimBuckle Can you corroborate the claim that this is how Ender treats you every game? What is your read on him?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:25 pm Dizzy, what do you think about Ender generally following your vote pattern?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:22 pm How clearly do I have to say "I Sus Nate and think he's wolf" to get through?

I explicitly said after I agreed about the logic consistency that I thought you were weighing that TOO HIGHLY.

I am not voting Nate because people I townread disagree with me and I acknowledge they could be right.

This is called "Actually listening to your townreads."

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:25 pm Dizzy, what do you think about Ender generally following your vote pattern?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:27 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:22 pm How clearly do I have to say "I Sus Nate and think he's wolf" to get through?

I explicitly said after I agreed about the logic consistency that I thought you were weighing that TOO HIGHLY.

I am not voting Nate because people I townread disagree with me and I acknowledge they could be right.

This is called "Actually listening to your townreads."

You've referenced the highlighted term as something that you agree with me about on a few occasions, but I'm not actually sure what you're referring to. What do you mean by Nate's logical consistency?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:29 pm You called it his solving process.

I can see the lines of Nate doing things and each following step having a good reason for the progression.

Even his listlessness had a nice little explanation.

But I think those are something you appear to weigh much higher than I. You effectively just use it to call him town.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:32 pm Feels a lot like the falcon and DrWilgy mislynches which happened because of a seemingly lack of any other option.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:31 pm Damn we are going to mislynch again aren't we?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:25 pm @Alison Who were the wolves who did the saving of whom? Is it me and Ender, the popular duo?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:28 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:25 pm Dizzy, what do you think about Ender generally following your vote pattern?

I don't feel any particular way about it. It doesn't make me feel bad about him.

I was just thinking that if Ender is actually mafia, one of the only people I could see with him is Nate. Like maybe Boq and you. I don't think he is with Alison or Jay, and I don't think both of those two are town.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:33 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:25 pm @Alison Who were the wolves who did the saving of whom? Is it me and Ender, the popular duo?

Ender and finger are the most likely saved people. You and Ender are my top suspects for doing the saving, yes.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:32 pm Feels a lot like the falcon and DrWilgy mislynches which happened because of a seemingly lack of any other option.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:33 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:28 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:25 pm Dizzy, what do you think about Ender generally following your vote pattern?

I don't feel any particular way about it. It doesn't make me feel bad about him.

I was just thinking that if Ender is actually mafia, one of the only people I could see with him is Nate. Like maybe Boq and you. I don't think he is with Alison or Jay, and I don't think both of those two are town.

That makes sense.

Fwiw, I did try to lead a wagon on him EOD1.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:32 pm [VOTE: NateTheLesser] aubergine

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:35 pm Just want to say that the way Marmot and I react to Dizzy's flip-floppiness are pretty opposite of each other tbh

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:34 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:32 pm [VOTE: NateTheLesser] aubergine

why

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:33 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:25 pm @Alison Who were the wolves who did the saving of whom? Is it me and Ender, the popular duo?

Ender and finger are the most likely saved people. You and Ender are my top suspects for doing the saving, yes.

Why did I not know you were suspicious of me before now? I'm holding hands with Ender this game as mafia teammates? Meh

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:32 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:29 pm You called it his solving process.

I can see the lines of Nate doing things and each following step having a good reason for the progression.

Even his listlessness had a nice little explanation.

But I think those are something you appear to weigh much higher than I. You effectively just use it to call him town.

Okay. I do view clarity of process as an important town indicator, though authenticity is a necessary part of the equation. Do you feel that Nate has been inauthentic?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:33 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:32 pm Feels a lot like the falcon and DrWilgy mislynches which happened because of a seemingly lack of any other option.

Why don't we consider one of Alison and Jay then?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:35 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:35 pm Just want to say that the way Marmot and I react to Dizzy's flip-floppiness are pretty opposite of each other tbh

does this tell you something about Marmot