Re: King of the Hill Mafia
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:38 pm
i honestly think wolf!Alison would be pissed if a slanker wolf slot (Nanook/Rondo) would vote her there tbh
can you walk me through your townreads on porscha and seanzie?arogame123 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:16 am Hmmm, so Aro, Porscha, Seanzie, Wilgy town.
If I sheep Lucy and Mac's tr on Rondo, that's 5 town there including me.
A POE formed of Boq/SPF/Nanook/Lily formed.
If I had to pick who I believe is the towniest from that POE, I would lean slightly on Boq. But that's kind of where I am at rn.
Obv if I am wrong somewhere on my town reads, I'd like someone to step up and debate me on this.
But with Porscha, Seanzie, WIlgy, and Rondo. Is there anyone in here that anyone dislikes or doesn't town read?
Yeah that I agree with tbhstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:40 pmon d1 maybe yeah, but i also think she would consider bussing her to be mandatory on d2 - onward
why the townread on seanzie? i can kind of understand the other twoBoquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm I will also say that I think the Neon/DrWilgy slot is town, due to Alison flipping w.
My town is:
Seanzie, DrWilgy, Porscha (I dont think Alison wanted to bus Porscha during D1 when there were other players she could have pushed if they are town, i.e. Nanook, Sparkles. Alison's treatment of Porscha should spew Porscha clear for a long while).
I am also noting that almost every dead town player has been scum reading me which is... yeah, lol. Though that's usually how it goes! Town scum reads me and scum town reads.
my town is.Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm I will also say that I think the Neon/DrWilgy slot is town, due to Alison flipping w.
My town is:
Seanzie, DrWilgy, Porscha (I dont think Alison wanted to bus Porscha during D1 when there were other players she could have pushed if they are town, i.e. Nanook, Sparkles. Alison's treatment of Porscha should spew Porscha clear for a long while).
I am also noting that almost every dead town player has been scum reading me which is... yeah, lol. Though that's usually how it goes! Town scum reads me and scum town reads.
his push on mestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pmwhy the townread on seanzie? i can kind of understand the other twoBoquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm I will also say that I think the Neon/DrWilgy slot is town, due to Alison flipping w.
My town is:
Seanzie, DrWilgy, Porscha (I dont think Alison wanted to bus Porscha during D1 when there were other players she could have pushed if they are town, i.e. Nanook, Sparkles. Alison's treatment of Porscha should spew Porscha clear for a long while).
I am also noting that almost every dead town player has been scum reading me which is... yeah, lol. Though that's usually how it goes! Town scum reads me and scum town reads.
can u be more specific plsBoquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:43 pmhis push on mestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pmwhy the townread on seanzie? i can kind of understand the other twoBoquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm I will also say that I think the Neon/DrWilgy slot is town, due to Alison flipping w.
My town is:
Seanzie, DrWilgy, Porscha (I dont think Alison wanted to bus Porscha during D1 when there were other players she could have pushed if they are town, i.e. Nanook, Sparkles. Alison's treatment of Porscha should spew Porscha clear for a long while).
I am also noting that almost every dead town player has been scum reading me which is... yeah, lol. Though that's usually how it goes! Town scum reads me and scum town reads.
his reaction for getting town read by me tbh
sorrystaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:44 pmcan u be more specific plsBoquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:43 pmhis push on mestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pmwhy the townread on seanzie? i can kind of understand the other twoBoquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm I will also say that I think the Neon/DrWilgy slot is town, due to Alison flipping w.
My town is:
Seanzie, DrWilgy, Porscha (I dont think Alison wanted to bus Porscha during D1 when there were other players she could have pushed if they are town, i.e. Nanook, Sparkles. Alison's treatment of Porscha should spew Porscha clear for a long while).
I am also noting that almost every dead town player has been scum reading me which is... yeah, lol. Though that's usually how it goes! Town scum reads me and scum town reads.
his reaction for getting town read by me tbh
whystaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm unfortunately im starting to think that lilypetal might be mafia
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:35 pm
Seanzie is playing in an extremely limited way. Scum is usually seen casting a wide net so if their preferred misyeet occurs, they are not left with zero reads. However scum CAN play like this and I have seen it happen. I am still leaning to Seanzie being town. Mostly because he is stubbornly informing everyone that he is indeed still in his scum range. It feels like it is coming from a pov where you are irritated that people are looking down on your scum game/clearing you too easily (thus underestimating you) and this is something an actual wolf WANTS town to do. Whereas a town player has a more holistic mindset where this reaction can stem from.
because of the way alison does not want her partners to associate with her by open wolfingstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:48 pm i dont rlly understand why you think lily wouldn't make a post that says "save alison" as mafia
im not even convinced that she's mafia, it just seems to clearly be within her wolfrange
if that's the metric you are using to townread ppl then i should be your strongest townreadBoquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:50 pmbecause of the way alison does not want her partners to associate with her by open wolfingstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:48 pm i dont rlly understand why you think lily wouldn't make a post that says "save alison" as mafia
im not even convinced that she's mafia, it just seems to clearly be within her wolfrange
-she has been orbiting around me for this entire game in a way that makes me think that i've been clearing her too easily and holding her wolfgame to too low of a standard. i think she fits the archetype of a wolf who has been attempting to pocket meBoquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:47 pmwhystaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm unfortunately im starting to think that lilypetal might be mafia
you mean lucy rightstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:50 pmlevel 0 red but i really doubt maf kills lily if she was totally off the mark here. these reads are proly >rand accurate
no tbhstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:51 pmif that's the metric you are using to townread ppl then i should be your strongest townreadBoquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:50 pmbecause of the way alison does not want her partners to associate with her by open wolfingstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:48 pm i dont rlly understand why you think lily wouldn't make a post that says "save alison" as mafia
im not even convinced that she's mafia, it just seems to clearly be within her wolfrange
omg why do i keep doing thisBoquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:52 pmyou mean lucy rightstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:50 pmlevel 0 red but i really doubt maf kills lily if she was totally off the mark here. these reads are proly >rand accurate
ok but why not? what's the difference in ur mind?Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:53 pmno tbhstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:51 pmif that's the metric you are using to townread ppl then i should be your strongest townreadBoquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:50 pmbecause of the way alison does not want her partners to associate with her by open wolfingstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:48 pm i dont rlly understand why you think lily wouldn't make a post that says "save alison" as mafia
im not even convinced that she's mafia, it just seems to clearly be within her wolfrange
i am too tired to explain rn in clear wordsstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:53 pmok but why not? what's the difference in ur mind?Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:53 pmno tbhstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:51 pmif that's the metric you are using to townread ppl then i should be your strongest townreadBoquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:50 pmbecause of the way alison does not want her partners to associate with her by open wolfingstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:48 pm i dont rlly understand why you think lily wouldn't make a post that says "save alison" as mafia
im not even convinced that she's mafia, it just seems to clearly be within her wolfrange
No, it is because I am infinitely more scared of your wolf game and why I tunnelled you in spec chat dvc until your flip, and kept you in null through the whole D1. And how, during this game, even when you have defended me, you have not used this intel you should know and should be affected by when trying to read me :wowee:staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:58 pm nah, you said that alison does not want her partners to associate with her by open wolfing, and i defended alison even more aggressively than lily did. by those standards, i should be blatantly town from your point of view. is the reason why i'm not because u need to keep me in ur POE to win the game?
also i don't immediately see a reason why it couldn't be W/W but it does feel unpartnered on a surface level
i play an island, i tap my island, i cast sol ring, i tap sol ring and pay 2 colorless for [VOTE: SPF] aubergineDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:42 am Alright, I summon Cydra Core letting me search for Cyber Repair Plant and adding it to my hand. After I play Machine Duplication, allowing me to search for 2 Cydras and special summoning them from my deck. I then use Cydra Core as material to link into Salamangreat Almiraj. From here I XYZ summon Cydra Nova using the two Cydras material placing them underneath. I then activate Cydra Nova's effect, detachihg a Cydra material to special summon that Cydra from the GY. Lastly, I XYZ summon Cydra Infinite over Cydra Nova and set two cards. Your turn Lily.
thunderdome?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm unfortunately im starting to think that lilypetal might be mafia
you know my wolfrange?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:48 pm i dont rlly understand why you think lily wouldn't make a post that says "save alison" as mafia
im not even convinced that she's mafia, it just seems to clearly be within her wolfrange
So, I kind of explained my Seanzie tr earlier if you want to reread it. But basically boils down to meta and his posting here has been similar to his town games that I skimmed in comparison to his mafia games. He has had more "teasing" and "condescending" posts here that I saw when reading through his town games.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pmcan you walk me through your townreads on porscha and seanzie?arogame123 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:16 am Hmmm, so Aro, Porscha, Seanzie, Wilgy town.
If I sheep Lucy and Mac's tr on Rondo, that's 5 town there including me.
A POE formed of Boq/SPF/Nanook/Lily formed.
If I had to pick who I believe is the towniest from that POE, I would lean slightly on Boq. But that's kind of where I am at rn.
Obv if I am wrong somewhere on my town reads, I'd like someone to step up and debate me on this.
But with Porscha, Seanzie, WIlgy, and Rondo. Is there anyone in here that anyone dislikes or doesn't town read?
i was coming into today expecting to get to a world where wilgy was mafia but i actually feel that my analysis of him (particularly the way his predcessor approached the EOD1) is starting to imply the opposite, so i think i can understand a world where you get to him being town. but why do you think that porscha/seanzie are town?
i think the best thing i can say about porscha is that she looks quite good from a purely NKA angle, and that the way alison treated her throughout d1-d2 felt vaguely non-partnery (I'm taking this with a grain of salt though because i think alison is quite good at manipulating partner interactions)
i'm struggling to find good reasons to townread seanzie even if i thought he sounded vaguely villagery during my conversation with him earlier
Tbh, I wouldn't put it past Alison to make a post like that to a partner, the only thing that I thought was mildly non w/w was Lily's reaction to Alison making that comment and stating "I do what I want" "You can't control me."Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:55 pmi am too tired to explain rn in clear wordsstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:53 pmok but why not? what's the difference in ur mind?Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:53 pmno tbhstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:51 pmif that's the metric you are using to townread ppl then i should be your strongest townreadBoquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:50 pmbecause of the way alison does not want her partners to associate with her by open wolfingstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:48 pm i dont rlly understand why you think lily wouldn't make a post that says "save alison" as mafia
im not even convinced that she's mafia, it just seems to clearly be within her wolfrange
i think alison would hold you two at different standards
i also think outright stating "save alison" could be regarded as a worse thing
i dont even remember whats really in that post tbh
btw
lily and alison happened in a fight where Alison told Lily to become the slave of Lucy, and vote like Lucy
genuine question: is that a w/w thing
how should i be using that intel in this game to get a better read on you?Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:25 pmNo, it is because I am infinitely more scared of your wolf game and why I tunnelled you in spec chat dvc until your flip, and kept you in null through the whole D1. And how, during this game, even when you have defended me, you have not used this intel you should know and should be affected by when trying to read me :wowee:staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:58 pm nah, you said that alison does not want her partners to associate with her by open wolfing, and i defended alison even more aggressively than lily did. by those standards, i should be blatantly town from your point of view. is the reason why i'm not because u need to keep me in ur POE to win the game?
also i don't immediately see a reason why it couldn't be W/W but it does feel unpartnered on a surface level
i think it's funny that your reaction to me suggesting that you might be a wolf is to immediately vote me and thunderdome me. i want to believe that youre a panicked wolf who knows they can get away with a lazy vote on me bcuz i struggle to believe that you would play in such a shamelessly shallow way as townLilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:11 pmthunderdome?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm unfortunately im starting to think that lilypetal might be mafia
i have specced both of your wolfgames to varying degrees but i don't claim to have a godread on ur meta. im saying the thing that boq was calling you towny for is easily within the wolfrange of any half decent wolf, which you clearly areLilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:12 pmyou know my wolfrange?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:48 pm i dont rlly understand why you think lily wouldn't make a post that says "save alison" as mafia
im not even convinced that she's mafia, it just seems to clearly be within her wolfrange
okay. i have no familarity with how seanzie plays as either alignment, so meta reads on him mean very little to mearogame123 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:59 pmSo, I kind of explained my Seanzie tr earlier if you want to reread it. But basically boils down to meta and his posting here has been similar to his town games that I skimmed in comparison to his mafia games. He has had more "teasing" and "condescending" posts here that I saw when reading through his town games.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pmcan you walk me through your townreads on porscha and seanzie?arogame123 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:16 am Hmmm, so Aro, Porscha, Seanzie, Wilgy town.
If I sheep Lucy and Mac's tr on Rondo, that's 5 town there including me.
A POE formed of Boq/SPF/Nanook/Lily formed.
If I had to pick who I believe is the towniest from that POE, I would lean slightly on Boq. But that's kind of where I am at rn.
Obv if I am wrong somewhere on my town reads, I'd like someone to step up and debate me on this.
But with Porscha, Seanzie, WIlgy, and Rondo. Is there anyone in here that anyone dislikes or doesn't town read?
i was coming into today expecting to get to a world where wilgy was mafia but i actually feel that my analysis of him (particularly the way his predcessor approached the EOD1) is starting to imply the opposite, so i think i can understand a world where you get to him being town. but why do you think that porscha/seanzie are town?
i think the best thing i can say about porscha is that she looks quite good from a purely NKA angle, and that the way alison treated her throughout d1-d2 felt vaguely non-partnery (I'm taking this with a grain of salt though because i think alison is quite good at manipulating partner interactions)
i'm struggling to find good reasons to townread seanzie even if i thought he sounded vaguely villagery during my conversation with him earlier
Yea, with Wiggles, it's a mix of purely the vote switch at EoD and when it happened from questioning others about it, and also, Wigly's posting and entrance felt pretty good and their interactions with Lily and Boq felt townie. It seemed like they were trying to generate content through those interactions to get a better read from them which I thought is rand >V
With Porscha, it is mainly the unpairing from Alison from d1 and d2 and I believe Alison basically spewed Porscha tbh. I also beleive Porscha had some ATE moments and kind of "defeatism moment" that appeared townie when they were just kind of accepting their death at times.
What are your thoughts on Boq, Nanook, and Lily?
Cause it seems like you do seem to sr Lily a bit.
hey thats meanstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:07 pm [*]i think it's funny that your reaction to me suggesting that you might be a wolf is to immediately vote me and thunderdome me. i want to believe that youre a panicked wolf who knows they can get away with a lazy vote on me bcuz i struggle to believe that you would play in such a shamelessly shallow way as townLilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:11 pmthunderdome?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm unfortunately im starting to think that lilypetal might be mafia
He did have a tinfoil because you were sheilding Alison knowing what kind of behaviour she could display and calling her town which could be why he died night 2. I am not going to shield your spot when exactly that happened and I haven't felt good about you all gamestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:14 pm i'm really sleep deprived but i'll be around a decent amount tomorrow
really hope that i dont get miseliminated today because half the game is barely even playing when i am blatantly town to anyone who even slightly understands my wolf meta or how i tend to play games. if u cant figure out that im town then just trust that mac was right about me and that i wouldn't kill him when he was constantly shielding me
uuuuh even after wilgy's entire gameplay from yesterday? are we playing the same game?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pmcan you walk me through your townreads on porscha and seanzie?arogame123 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:16 am Hmmm, so Aro, Porscha, Seanzie, Wilgy town.
If I sheep Lucy and Mac's tr on Rondo, that's 5 town there including me.
A POE formed of Boq/SPF/Nanook/Lily formed.
If I had to pick who I believe is the towniest from that POE, I would lean slightly on Boq. But that's kind of where I am at rn.
Obv if I am wrong somewhere on my town reads, I'd like someone to step up and debate me on this.
But with Porscha, Seanzie, WIlgy, and Rondo. Is there anyone in here that anyone dislikes or doesn't town read?
i was coming into today expecting to get to a world where wilgy was mafia] but i actually feel that my analysis of him (particularly the way his predcessor approached the EOD1) is starting to imply the opposite, so i think i can understand a world where you get to him being town. but why do you think that porscha/seanzie are town?
i think the best thing i can say about porscha is that she looks quite good from a purely NKA angle, and that the way alison treated her throughout d1-d2 felt vaguely non-partnery (I'm taking this with a grain of salt though because i think alison is quite good at manipulating partner interactions)
i'm struggling to find good reasons to townread seanzie even if i thought he sounded vaguely villagery during my conversation with him earlier
lol!Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:52 pmThis is an incredibly hypocritical post to make after you went "meh" and dipped when I tried to talk to you about the game... and it is doubly hypocritical to accuse me of throwing out matter of fact reads with no reasoning when you did the same yourself in your original post accusing me/lily/Seanzie of being wolves.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:40 pmthe way she is making matter of fact reads such as "these three players are town" with no reasoning offered, on slots it is sub optimal for Alison to be shielding because they are not >rand town slots anyway indicates Alison is not legitimately trying to sort alignments and is more interested in making people feel a wayPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:37 pmbut you should give your reasons anyway in case you get ml'd or nk'dPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:37 pmtrueMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:36 pmit doesn't matter nobody is going to chop her on fay 1 for reasons I givefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:41 pmWhy is Alison a wolf?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:02 pm Alison is a wolf in this game I think.
I think Lilypetal is also a wolf.
I think the third is probably like ... Seanzie?
Have you never seen me give matter of fact reads and only explain reasoning when asked? Why are my townreads not >rand town?