MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:29 pm
no, thats not a good enough reason to not provide reason yourself
It is in my view, gauging reactions is a huge part of gameplay
the post you made tells you nothing
you wanted to see people agree or disagree with you but there is nothing there
you made a post shading wayward, which is a majority of your iso at this point
The implication is that he is faking a read on sloonei because they were teammates. The post was clunky and overcomplicated analysis that ultimately resulted in a "neutral-to-town" conclusion. It sketched me out. K?
"shading wayward" is definitely not a majority of my iso.
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:01 pm
by nutella
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
50 told me, go ahead and switch ya style up, and if they hate then let em hate and watch the money pile up.
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:29 pm
no, thats not a good enough reason to not provide reason yourself
It is in my view, gauging reactions is a huge part of gameplay
the post you made tells you nothing
you wanted to see people agree or disagree with you but there is nothing there
you made a post shading wayward, which is a majority of your iso at this point
The implication is that he is faking a read on sloonei because they were teammates. The post was clunky and overcomplicated analysis that ultimately resulted in a "neutral-to-town" conclusion. It sketched me out. K?
"shading wayward" is definitely not a majority of my iso.
Shading players in general IS the majority of your ISO. You can't demand that players give substantial content when what you give is bullshit reactionary shade.
WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:26 pm
ISOed Sloonei. Has strong feelings/read on Epi(not ISOed.) Has been present and by virtue of asking questions of me is at least making the attempt to solve my slot as well as others. There is question to his EOD vote to break the tie between several players one of which was himself. I assume he voted on a PoE order of his. Absolutely nothing I wouldn't do in that situation. If you are town and in that situation you have an obligation to the game to vote to self pres as you know you are town. Hopefully your PoE is where you hit a scum. If not information is gathered. If you are scum then the same applies. You are obligated to preserve to further your wincon. Intentions of this slot will be sorted as the game progresses. As of this point it read nullish to very slight town. Will reassess once all Isos are completed as the T-N-S guage may need tweaking.
like.... what even is this
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:36 pm[VOTE:
g-man] aubergine That is bullshit and you know it
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:39 pm
sprityo dropping a driveby self-vote.
Gross.
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:04 pm
I don't think @MafiaMenace has checked in but has @WaywardSon explained his vote?
heres a few off the top of my head
also there was a bit of strawmanning in there as well which is just great
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 1
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:07 pm
by WaywardSon
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:20 pm
I just drove straight through from Waco Texas to Cincinnati. I’m tired. I can’t look at the game until tomorrow, I apologize guys.
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
using that is awful as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day
using meta at all for reads isnt good
That right there can drive a sane man bizzzerk. Not to worry mr H to the izzo's back to wizzerk.
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:17 pm
by nutella
I play reactively because that's how I develop reads. I don't conjure them out of thin air (well, sometimes I kind of do lol). Little posts like the ones you quoted are where I am sorting out how I feel about a player in a moment. How else do you expect me to play the game
Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.
that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction
so now i know
mmmmmm I don't like this
ew with the shade
its funny how immediately after you make a post about me already deciding to push your hang tomorrow, you come back with this
a post that could pivot shit onto me
Yeah I'm really clever huh.
Here's the thing and you can take it to the bank: I don't omgus. Ever. If I find something suspicious I say as much. I don't suspect people for suspecting me. That's bullshit.
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
using that is awful as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day
using meta at all for reads isnt good
That right there can drive a sane man bizzzerk. Not to worry mr H to the izzo's back to wizzerk.
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day
using meta at all for reads isnt good
....have you thought about this for more than thirty seconds?? of course we take that into account. in fact "so-and-so is looking a bit too much like their usual town self" is a fairly common accusation. imitation of town meta as scum is rarely perfect and a good synthesis of meta and other information can help one sniff it out.
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day
using meta at all for reads isnt good
....have you thought about this for more than thirty seconds?? of course we take that into account. in fact "so-and-so is looking a bit too much like their usual town self" is a fairly common accusation. imitation of town meta as scum is rarely perfect and a good synthesis of meta and other information can help one sniff it out.
yes ive had a year to think about it because i was brought this argument when i first started
the bolded sentence is a shitty accusation and im disappointed in anyone who uses it
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day
using meta at all for reads isnt good
....have you thought about this for more than thirty seconds?? of course we take that into account. in fact "so-and-so is looking a bit too much like their usual town self" is a fairly common accusation. imitation of town meta as scum is rarely perfect and a good synthesis of meta and other information can help one sniff it out.
yes ive had a year to think about it because i was brought this argument when i first started
the bolded sentence is a shitty accusation and im disappointed in anyone who uses it
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day
using meta at all for reads isnt good
....have you thought about this for more than thirty seconds?? of course we take that into account. in fact "so-and-so is looking a bit too much like their usual town self" is a fairly common accusation. imitation of town meta as scum is rarely perfect and a good synthesis of meta and other information can help one sniff it out.
yes ive had a year to think about it because i was brought this argument when i first started
the bolded sentence is a shitty accusation and im disappointed in anyone who uses it
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
50 told me, go ahead and switch ya style up, and if they hate then let em hate and watch the money pile up.
ISO. What the f*** was that?
Memes. That's it. Kanye sucks so he probably should go in the PoE just for that. But there's nothing to go on here.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:17 am
Lynch Sloonei. He complains about me wrecking the thread that wasn't a thread, but he is doing nothing. He can't do nothing. He's nothing. He's bad. He is parked on me and acting like that's something. Lynch him.
I’m still at work
Well I'm not.
ISO. Outside of the literally discussion there's not alot of content. Didn't like the sloonei vote on Elo for self pres. Has minimal reads.
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:35 pm
by MafiaMenace
nutella and wayward is tvs
nutella and epi is probably tvs
im going for the overlap first
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:37 pm
by nutella
when have I been "vs epi" (other than the literally thing which was not game content)
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:38 pm
by MafiaMenace
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:37 pm
when have I been "vs epi" (other than the literally thing which was not game content)
you arent against him
theres just no other term for it that i can think of
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Night 1
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:43 pm
by WaywardSon
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:18 pm
Listing you all becauses lists:
Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-Epignosis
-reywaS
-Sloonei
Neutral/As Of Yet Undetermined Status:
-MafiaMenace
-Sabie
-Spacedaisy
-sprityo
-WaywardSon
Bad Juju Vibes:
-JaggedJimmyJay
-Nutella
The further we get into this game, the more I will try to force those in the middle group into the upper or lower group in my mind. Please show up/participate/give me something tangible that sorts you for me or you might not like where my mind puts you. If/once that line is crossed my ears will be deaf to your protestations.
This ISO reads town from once over. Game progression and scum hunting.
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day
using meta at all for reads isnt good
This nonsense assumes human performers are perfect, and they absolutely aren't -- on any website (I've played on so many). I recommend an immediate adjustment to that mindset or you've limited yourself for no reason.
Meta should be relied upon sparingly, but never use it ever is ludicrous.
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day
using meta at all for reads isnt good
This nonsense assumes human performers are perfect, and they absolutely aren't -- on any website (I've played on so many). I recommend an immediate adjustment to that mindset or you've limited yourself for no reason.
Meta should be relied upon sparingly, but never use it ever is ludicrous.
we read players metas just as good as a wolf acts theirs
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:56 pm
by MafiaMenace
WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:55 pm
Meta is a useful tool; if applied properly.
WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:55 pm
Meta is a useful tool; if applied properly.
ive never seen a meta read go down perfectly
Sometimes it is a dead give away. Other times it is a predictive device. It takes experience with a player and multiple games to set a norm or range as each alignment. But by no means is it perfect.
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:37 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
please gimme cliffs on why nutella should be lynched
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day
using meta at all for reads isnt good
....have you thought about this for more than thirty seconds?? of course we take that into account. in fact "so-and-so is looking a bit too much like their usual town self" is a fairly common accusation. imitation of town meta as scum is rarely perfect and a good synthesis of meta and other information can help one sniff it out.
yes ive had a year to think about it because i was brought this argument when i first started
the bolded sentence is a shitty accusation and im disappointed in anyone who uses it
Well it's caught many a scum so suit yourself.
you guys must have shitty wolves then
that or its pure luck that you got scum with it
Gossip, gossip, ****** just stop it. Everybody know I'm a muthafuckin Monster.
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:46 pm
by Epignosis
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Careful with that language.
You might just make a few friends around these parts.
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
50 told me, go ahead and switch ya style up, and if they hate then let em hate and watch the money pile up.
ISO. What the f*** was that?
Memes. That's it. Kanye sucks so he probably should go in the PoE just for that. But there's nothing to go on here.
Listen, Wayward. I’m really happy for you. I’ma let you finish but reywaS is playing one of the best games of all time! One of the best games of all time!
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
meta is garbage
Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.
50 told me, go ahead and switch ya style up, and if they hate then let em hate and watch the money pile up.
ISO. What the f*** was that?
Memes. That's it. Kanye sucks so he probably should go in the PoE just for that. But there's nothing to go on here.
Listen, Wayward. I’m really happy for you. I’ma let you finish but reywaS is playing one of the best games of all time! One of the best games of all time!
G-Man- I do not suspect this person. If I had to name one person as a civilian, it's G-Man, because his thought process jives mostly with mine and he's doing the most work (although the bar hasn't been set real high). Would not lynch.
JJJ- I maintain a healthy suspicion of JJJ, as most of the time lynching him requires an act of God. I read his commentary on WaywardSon. It makes sense to me, but I had differing assumptions when I read WaywardSon's posts. I'll get to those at the end since Wayward starts with a W. For right now, I don't have any pressing reason to lynch JJJ unless I am right about Sloonei. Would not lynch.
MafiaMenace- I do not suspect this person. I give passes to new people Day 1 (and rey, who has returned from the dead, resurrected as an "artist" of questionable skill). MafiaMenace has earned an extension of that pass, because I like his stuff. He started out slow, but I can see a progression of thinking that feels natural and indicates sincerity. Would not lynch.
nutella- nutella gives me fits. I never get her right, so take whatever I have to say about her with a grain of salt (or the whole Morton company). I don't agree with G-Man that nutella fell into some trap of over-eagerness. nutella may be a Gullible-Ass Basic BitchTM, but I'm not buying that. Would not lynch.
reywaS- He is God's vessel. His greatest pain in life is that he will never be able to see himself perform live. Would lynch.
Sloonei- I suspect this person the most. Here is why if you missed it. Would lynch.
Spacedaisy- I've got nothing. Would lynch.
sprityo- The guy has 18 posts, and I do not see where this happened. Would lynch.
WaywardSon- As I said, the way JJJ framed WaywardSon's posts makes sense, but I had differing assumptions when I read them. For example:
WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:16 pm
So the thread isn't locked at night?
I would have thought, were WaywardSon annoyed by Night posting (because he was bad), he would have voiced his question to Colin privately, and not broadcasted it in the thread. I get that doesn't preclude his being mafia, but that was my own view. However, I have not forgotten this:
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:05 pm
im here for like 30 min
catching up
3:05pm EST
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:12 pm
im putting catching up on hold
half an hour isnt enough time
3:12pm EST
That's seven minutes.
He tried to make it look like he had invested a half an hour in the thread, but had devoted a whopping seven minutes. Maybe where he's from, they don't have timestamps. Would lynch.
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:22 pm
by ColinIsCool
WaywardSon has been replaced by novaselinenever.
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:27 pm
by nutella
Epi your last point is about menace not ws.
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:28 pm
by nutella
Sorry to see you go ws. I hope you'll give our site another chance, we're a friendly bunch when we're not yelling at each other
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:30 pm
by WaywardSon
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:17 pm
Dear G-Man:
G-Man- I do not suspect this person. If I had to name one person as a civilian, it's G-Man, because his thought process jives mostly with mine and he's doing the most work (although the bar hasn't been set real high). Would not lynch.
JJJ- I maintain a healthy suspicion of JJJ, as most of the time lynching him requires an act of God. I read his commentary on WaywardSon. It makes sense to me, but I had differing assumptions when I read WaywardSon's posts. I'll get to those at the end since Wayward starts with a W. For right now, I don't have any pressing reason to lynch JJJ unless I am right about Sloonei. Would not lynch.
MafiaMenace- I do not suspect this person. I give passes to new people Day 1 (and rey, who has returned from the dead, resurrected as an "artist" of questionable skill). MafiaMenace has earned an extension of that pass, because I like his stuff. He started out slow, but I can see a progression of thinking that feels natural and indicates sincerity. Would not lynch.
nutella- nutella gives me fits. I never get her right, so take whatever I have to say about her with a grain of salt (or the whole Morton company). I don't agree with G-Man that nutella fell into some trap of over-eagerness. nutella may be a Gullible-Ass Basic BitchTM, but I'm not buying that. Would not lynch.
reywaS- He is God's vessel. His greatest pain in life is that he will never be able to see himself perform live. Would lynch.
Sloonei- I suspect this person the most. Here is why if you missed it. Would lynch.
Spacedaisy- I've got nothing. Would lynch.
sprityo- The guy has 18 posts, and I do not see where this happened. Would lynch.
WaywardSon- As I said, the way JJJ framed WaywardSon's posts makes sense, but I had differing assumptions when I read them. For example:
WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:16 pm
So the thread isn't locked at night?
I would have thought, were WaywardSon annoyed by Night posting (because he was bad), he would have voiced his question to Colin privately, and not broadcasted it in the thread. I get that doesn't preclude his being mafia, but that was my own view. However, I have not forgotten this:
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:05 pm
im here for like 30 min
catching up
3:05pm EST
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:12 pm
im putting catching up on hold
half an hour isnt enough time
3:12pm EST
That's seven minutes.
He tried to make it look like he had invested a half an hour in the thread, but had devoted a whopping seven minutes. Maybe where he's from, they don't have timestamps. Would lynch.
Um you have quotes that I didn't make, making your argument to lynch me?
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:32 pm
by Epignosis
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:27 pm
Epi your last point is about menace not ws.
Well I feel stupid. I've been mixing up the two new guys.
Re: Vanilla Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:33 pm
by WaywardSon
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:22 pmWaywardSon has been replaced by novaselinenever.
it's NAI im sure
Would lynch.