The Syndicate

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:46 pm
Along with the reasons provided above, and the fact that she is obviously not King since I am making a scum case on her so it's not a waste even if she is voted out as scum wouldn't target her anyway, I believe that this is a fine elimination for the day.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:12 am [VOTE: daisukenowaifuke] aubergine

Why should I not vote you?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:21 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:46 pm
Along with the reasons provided above, and the fact that she is obviously not King since I am making a scum case on her so it's not a waste even if she is voted out as scum wouldn't target her anyway, I believe that this is a fine elimination for the day.

This is exactly why we shouldn't be pushing and casing people to change who gets killed!

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:23 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:12 am [VOTE: daisukenowaifuke] aubergine

Why should I not vote you?

I have no clue. It's D1 anyway. In a normal game, it's understandable to be mislynched on D1.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:25 am

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:23 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:12 am [VOTE: daisukenowaifuke] aubergine

Why should I not vote you?

I have no clue. It's D1 anyway. In a normal game, it's understandable to be mislynched on D1.

1/10 on drive.

Probably not voting you. Will pick someone else later. Tired.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:18 am I'm not going to defend myself but I do like explaining game theory and strategy, so I'll do that and selectively respond to this case.

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:46 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

I take this post very seriously simply because it gives off "I don't know King" vibes. Because if you knew the King you'd also know that others know the King and as such, it's impossible to vote him out. King may very well be invincible here. This post alone deserves serious consideration on getting voted out.

The problem with defending yourself a lot is that it outs you as not the King. If you get piled on, make a ton of posts defending yourself, and everyone switched to another wagon then you'd just be outed as not the King because you had all that pressure on you and reacted to it like you thought you were going to die. So I'm actually posting that for guards, not the King.

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:28 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:25 am

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:23 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:12 am [VOTE: daisukenowaifuke] aubergine

Why should I not vote you?

I have no clue. It's D1 anyway. In a normal game, it's understandable to be mislynched on D1.

1/10 on drive.

Probably not voting you. Will pick someone else later. Tired.

I have drive! For solving! T.T

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:06 am I was too busy to read everything and I wanted to reach the reason of the votes on me to talk about them.
I still couldn't read that part but I saw Leetic voted me in bad faith and as a good Omguser I will
[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 4:46 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:06 am I was too busy to read everything and I wanted to reach the reason of the votes on me to talk about them.
I still couldn't read that part but I saw Leetic voted me in bad faith and as a good Omguser I will
[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

You're not helping your case here

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:04 am Okay so, I saw someone wanting Michelle, Dai, and leetic out. Honest to God I forgot for all three why but I remember them leaning on town side in my head so let's not go there today kay?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:03 pm

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:02 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:00 pm

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 8:56 pm Also, I believe that both of us should change votes.

Aww I was liking the 3-way tie going on

Well I saw Michelle came and didn’t even comment on her two votes, so that’s a big ole shruggery

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine cah CAW

Wanna elaborate on falcon?

I saw him eat a rat once and then fly away.

Are we sure he isn’t just a rat of the sky?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:25 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:14 am Well, it's been fun. Gotta go get ready for work, hopefully they got the stabby guy and he's not hiding in the shrubs outside the door. I'll be in to read, but Imma try and keep my flappy mouth shut.

Assassins in the Second Snootiest Neighborhood Mafia coming soon.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:00 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:04 am Okay so, I saw someone wanting Michelle, Dai, and leetic out. Honest to God I forgot for all three why but I remember them leaning on town side in my head so let's not go there today kay?

I agree about Dai.
Tell me please about Leetic being villager.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:58 pm Unless nobody can make it here for EoD, I'm not sure what the point of focusing so much on consolidating the vote is?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:14 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:58 pm Unless nobody can make it here for EoD, I'm not sure what the point of focusing so much on consolidating the vote is?

The king can die in a tie. Consolidation eliminates that possibility. Also if town has multiple serious wagons and cases, that helps pinpoint for the Assassins who the King is NOT.

It's another way of getting info into the thread that can help baddies.

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:17 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:14 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:58 pm Unless nobody can make it here for EoD, I'm not sure what the point of focusing so much on consolidating the vote is?

The king can die in a tie. Consolidation eliminates that possibility. Also if town has multiple serious wagons and cases, that helps pinpoint for the Assassins who the King is NOT.

It's another way of getting info into the thread that can help baddies.

1. This is pinging me to a small degree
2. You are probs overthinking it as either alignment

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:00 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:17 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:14 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:58 pm Unless nobody can make it here for EoD, I'm not sure what the point of focusing so much on consolidating the vote is?

The king can die in a tie. Consolidation eliminates that possibility. Also if town has multiple serious wagons and cases, that helps pinpoint for the Assassins who the King is NOT.

It's another way of getting info into the thread that can help baddies.

1. This is pinging me to a small degree
2. You are probs overthinking it as either alignment

Hi Foxy, my name is "Overthinks Everything", nice to meet you.

And no I don't think I am.

Lets say you're one of the assassins (for the purposes of this example, this is not an accusation). You know 11 players are NOT assassins, therefore town.

Player A makes a hard case of Player R
Player B makes a hard case on player S
Player C makes a hard case of player T

You know all of these people are town, so they all know who the king is. R, S and T all get votes, these were pretty good cases.

S is yeeted, and flips Guard.

You, the assassins, now know R & T are also guards, and NOT the King. Cause A and C are unlikely to have made a hard case, a case they obvs believed, on their king.

So now your target pool is reduced by 3 people, not just 1.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:12 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine for having like the most middling ISO ever. And of course I am (or was) the most voted person

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:19 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:25 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:34 am Okay, preliminary thoughts:

Town: Scotty, Nutella, leetic
Just a bit towny: Daisuke (OMGUS reasons cuz she should have most meta on me...), falcon45aa,
NULL: whoever I didn't mention. Work hard or you'll naturally enter my scum leans.
scum leans: Thunal33, SVS.

Need to reread: Longcon

I feel like keeping you alive for as long as possible is best for town’s interest

Foxy alive, eh...? All right then, you seem like a good chap. I'll sheep you, sir. [VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:06 am I was too busy to read everything and I wanted to reach the reason of the votes on me to talk about them.
I still couldn't read that part but I saw Leetic voted me in bad faith and as a good Omguser I will
[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:03 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:00 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:17 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:14 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:58 pm Unless nobody can make it here for EoD, I'm not sure what the point of focusing so much on consolidating the vote is?

The king can die in a tie. Consolidation eliminates that possibility. Also if town has multiple serious wagons and cases, that helps pinpoint for the Assassins who the King is NOT.

It's another way of getting info into the thread that can help baddies.

1. This is pinging me to a small degree
2. You are probs overthinking it as either alignment

Hi Foxy, my name is "Overthinks Everything", nice to meet you.

And no I don't think I am.

Lets say you're one of the assassins (for the purposes of this example, this is not an accusation). You know 11 players are NOT assassins, therefore town.

Player A makes a hard case of Player R
Player B makes a hard case on player S
Player C makes a hard case of player T

You know all of these people are town, so they all know who the king is. R, S and T all get votes, these were pretty good cases.

S is yeeted, and flips Guard.

You, the assassins, now know R & T are also guards, and NOT the King. Cause A and C are unlikely to have made a hard case, a case they obvs believed, on their king.

So now your target pool is reduced by 3 people, not just 1.

Okie, but I was actually targeting King all the time you just didn't notice cuz you assumed this.

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:27 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:12 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine for having like the most middling ISO ever. And of course I am (or was) the most voted person

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:19 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:25 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:34 am Okay, preliminary thoughts:

Town: Scotty, Nutella, leetic
Just a bit towny: Daisuke (OMGUS reasons cuz she should have most meta on me...), falcon45aa,
NULL: whoever I didn't mention. Work hard or you'll naturally enter my scum leans.
scum leans: Thunal33, SVS.

Need to reread: Longcon

I feel like keeping you alive for as long as possible is best for town’s interest

Foxy alive, eh...? All right then, you seem like a good chap. I'll sheep you, sir. [VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:06 am I was too busy to read everything and I wanted to reach the reason of the votes on me to talk about them.
I still couldn't read that part but I saw Leetic voted me in bad faith and as a good Omguser I will
[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

The two ppl on your wagon both have dumb reasons for voting you. At least Leetic's seems more reasonable. Why are you not voting LC, toDay?

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:32 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:03 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:00 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:17 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:14 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:58 pm Unless nobody can make it here for EoD, I'm not sure what the point of focusing so much on consolidating the vote is?

The king can die in a tie. Consolidation eliminates that possibility. Also if town has multiple serious wagons and cases, that helps pinpoint for the Assassins who the King is NOT.

It's another way of getting info into the thread that can help baddies.

1. This is pinging me to a small degree
2. You are probs overthinking it as either alignment

Hi Foxy, my name is "Overthinks Everything", nice to meet you.

And no I don't think I am.

Lets say you're one of the assassins (for the purposes of this example, this is not an accusation). You know 11 players are NOT assassins, therefore town.

Player A makes a hard case of Player R
Player B makes a hard case on player S
Player C makes a hard case of player T

You know all of these people are town, so they all know who the king is. R, S and T all get votes, these were pretty good cases.

S is yeeted, and flips Guard.

You, the assassins, now know R & T are also guards, and NOT the King. Cause A and C are unlikely to have made a hard case, a case they obvs believed, on their king.

So now your target pool is reduced by 3 people, not just 1.

Okie, but I was actually targeting King all the time you just didn't notice cuz you assumed this.

But seriously, does this explanation not make sense to you? Do you find it scummy?

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:46 pm Okay so, I believe that this opening is anti-town.

Is it scummy? No. But it's anti-town.

Am I biased? Yes. I joined to play mafia and when I finally randed town I got slapped with "Let's not play mafia."

Do note however, that the strategy she showed was clearly barely related to this game for the following reasons:
1. There is only one scum.
2. Much less players.

Reason number one is a big problem and I'll explain it here simply.
1. There is no group influencing the voting and narrative. Everyone is an individual and so, it's possible to do pure random voting with 1 corruption.
2. For the same reasons, it was impossible to accurately determine scum except for everyone trying to figure it out through a King which is a bad tactic in itself simply because it exposes their King. In truth, in such scenario, town loses more because they are the ones hiding their partner and not otherwise.
3. I have once subbed into a game where only 1 scum was left. It was impossible to determine without looking at previous posts or mech. Or well, you can try psyhological tricks but there's only so much a person can do. In the end, the game ended up on russian roullete until mech confirmed towns won in POE. It's also why that tactic was the best for those specific linked games. The only real info to be found is for scum.

This game, although at first glance is the same, is actually pretty much another setup altogether just with addition of one more scum.

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:46 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

I take this post very seriously simply because it gives off "I don't know King" vibes. Because if you knew the King you'd also know that others know the King and as such, it's impossible to vote him out. King may very well be invincible here. This post alone deserves serious consideration on getting voted out.

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:46 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:06 am I'll also add that being an outed guard isn't that much better than being dead in this setup. If the assassins know not to shoot you, that's one person they can eliminate from their pool for the rest of the game. I think it's a little better than being dead because you can still help town with your vote and the assassins can still tinfoil you, but it sure isn't good.

I don't think that any guard would worry about that. This game relies on POE mainly from what I have figured, or even if it doesn't that's how I am playing it. Honestly, the more outed guards we have the better for us. I don't find this particulary scummy but I absolutely don't find this towny and that's worth noting down.

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:46 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:09 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:07 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:06 am I'll also add that being an outed guard isn't that much better than being dead in this setup. If the assassins know not to shoot you, that's one person they can eliminate from their pool for the rest of the game. I think it's a little better than being dead because you can still help town with your vote and the assassins can still tinfoil you, but it sure isn't good.

Have you heard of POE?

Yeah and it's like the assassins are making a PoE of who's the king. They start with everyone and narrow it down based on how people interact with each other.

Same kinda vibe, feels a bit afraid of POE. This read honestly makes sense if we assume that some town are going to mess up hiding our King but uhh, I am playing with mindset that it's cool as long as I am not at fault.

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:46 pm This is a post she made justifying her read on falcon. Which is fine. However, such simple reasoning isn't something that shouldn't inherently be used to find town and is definitely flawed in the sense that there a particular person doing exactly that but on steroids. Spoiler, it's me. Pretty sure others had similar or higher level of solving and prodding than falcon too.

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:46 pm Along with the reasons provided above, and the fact that she is obviously not King since I am making a scum case on her so it's not a waste even if she is voted out as scum wouldn't target her anyway, I believe that this is a fine elimination for the day.

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:18 am oh, so it was that simple. Thanks!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:13 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:11 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:07 am I guess you just treat it like regular mafia and hope for the best?

Any king angle related solving seems like it's gonna backfire either like 1) catch a guard pretending he doesn't know who the king is or 2) make it clear who the king is.

I mean, this is basically 11v2 mountainous with mafia not having night kills unless they die and us having a hidden innocent child. Basically, just role and numbers wise, this is heavily town sided as long as town knows what they are doing.

Boy do I have some bad news for you.

Mind explaining?

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:14 am Yeah, 12 vs 3 was the standard when I first started many centuries ago so 11 vs 2 does seem pretty townsided.

Why is Jack always rolling scum?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:28 pm Boy do I have some bad news for you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:16 am Deadline is 5:30. My timezone is wrong again so real deadline is my 4:30, right when I get off work. I guess I need to play now then, eh?

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:21 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:16 am Deadline is 5:30. My timezone is wrong again so real deadline is my 4:30, right when I get off work. I guess I need to play now then, eh?

Try ig. Do your best

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:24 am [VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:25 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:24 am [VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

Wanna explain?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:47 pm RIP dear Host. I accuse FOXY of everything evil. [VOTE: foxy] aubergine Didn't even know the King's name is Long Con.

Game, set, match, assassin.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:31 pm didn't even realize Epi was playing

Haven't been. For I have been on a noble quest to locate precious (affordable) eggs for a certain Ye Olde Cakery.

I found three acceptable cartons at one store. Whilst loading them into my carriage, the fucking car alarm next to me went off, and I fumbled my goods.


I'll be along shortly.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:51 am That doesn’t scan, the meter is more important than the rhyme

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:01 am Oh yeah, Foxy & Thunal prolly both Town right now

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:11 pm let’s just kill a zero poster and move on