Radiohead Mafia [GAME OVER]

[staypositivefriend]

ok i have to sleep i’m so tired here have a list

town:
mac
tutuu
alison

town lean:
odd
tim
spf
dizzy
wilgy
poison
radishes
dya
herm
samu

idk/poe/whatever:
nanook
nut
ted
sprit
colin
fallen/jules
lc
jpic

This looks like a list of:

My friends
Not my friends but people who’ve quiet or nice
People who are not nice and I dont like how they talk

if this list from hally was completely wrong then i dont think sprit would have attacked it as passively aggressively as he did here. his aggressiveness toward hally for outing this POE probably indicates that the POE is on the right track

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeet Nanook.

ok, so you don't have mech reason to hard believe that there is exactly 1 scum in jpic/nanook

what do you think about the possibility of nanook being 3P?

No mech reason. I just don't think mafia put three abilities onto me. I think that it is possible that the other mafia on me had both a postcap ability and something else. I think it's much more likely a mafia than a 3p. If the other one is a 3p I would say that they hit me with something I am unaware of. Possibly Nanook is 3p and does have to target the NKs to get some buff but it wouldn't be just an additional vote.

I still think Tim has more chance than others of being 3p just because his role has 3p potential. But it's just an idea. I think it's possible that his role balancing action means that if the balance gets to a certain degree one way or the other that he gets some super anti whatever faction is in front power. Totally basing this off my own paranoia though. His mech appears to be heavily designed to balance the game between the two factions which to me feels independent. If I am right then his special mega ability is probably fucking terribad for whatever faction is leading.

He's referenced a bloodbath tonight multiple times

Didn't you?

No that was definitely you

Oh I know I did, no question. I still expect it. 22 players requires extra kill power, it didn't come N1...but it stands to reason that it is coming. I expect a couple of town vigs and multiple wolf kills.

But I thought that expectation of added KP was like the only thing we agreed on.

[Hally]

I have a genuine townread of Sprit

Someone send help

It's because I smell like lavendar and bathe in honey

Silky smooth skin, etc. What's not to townread?

Nook has a lot of anti-alignment with Sprityo. A lot.

did nook just tr every member of the scum team

why is that anti-aligned again?

nah i think it's because sprityo doesn't do this "i smell like lavendar, townread me plz!" stuff with a buddy lol

And Nanook would be less wrong if he was mafia.

this is probably true

[Alison]

I assume the correct play after clearing out JPIC is to just mow down the rest of the POE.

I'm not a huge fan of how ted didn't do much today, not sure if the interaction with nutella balances that out. Wilgy has done fuck all after a decent tone Day 1 and some really sketchy pushes, so he goes in the POE too. Long Con is in the POE as well, and so is Dizzy. Mow them all down, and then re-evaluate the gamestate after that and figure out who was wrongly townread. Trust the hard towncore still, but start opening up your mind to possibilities of dyachei or samu or whoever being scum if the game doesn't end after that POE is cleared. I probably won't be alive by then so I can't tell you what to do there since obviously it depends on what happens in the day phases after I die.

I'm pretty onboard with all of this, particularly want to highlight that I think Samu needs looking into.

We have two flips and no town dead with a towncore of what I consider very good players. The best thing for us to do is to actually solve the game the way town are meant to solve the game. Let's be mountainous for a while.

yes

[MacDougall]

Tutuu and SPF you need to reconcile what the hell is going on between you. I don't like that Tutuu keeps tinfoiling SPF with it going nowhere. SPF seems like she gives zero hoots that someone in the towncore is tinfoiling her. I don't like the dynamic at all. It doesn't feel town/town because it hasn't blown up into an actual war at any point.

[staypositivefriend]

Spoiler: show

my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist

cant we like just vig JPIC or something (i still think he's town) instead of wasting a day of wagoning him idk

surely town has KP in a 22 player game so

u guys should know that spf is amazing as wolf. she is amazing as town too as proven by her champs games but on em she has like a 54% winrate as mafia last time i checked (which at least imo is huge, i have like 25% winrate as mafia, its rly hard to wolf in those setups) and i remember skimming a few of her games once and like, her tone, her emotions, everything, its all there. like if she is a wolf she wouldnt just roll over and die, just saying!

i think not wagoning JPC for 1 day to see if he gets vigged or poisoned or dayvigged has merits but dont wanna insist any more

at least nutella and spf and whoever else are gonna defend themselves and hvae reactions and talk and stuff

while JPIC wont talk, so using our yeet on him is like as if ... like u know ... waste opportuntity to make reads / day play, and ujst convert the yeet into a mechnical vig

People say I have done scummy stuff when this is literally what I do as town

can you do something more?

can u empathize with other ppl who find it frustrating how much effort they're putting, while u dont put as much effort and u expect for ppl to correctly townread u?

I am very empathetic to the town cause. I’ve just been trying to have fun

and you made me laugh a lot and i appreciate it

but like multiple ppl have expressed that its not fun anymore, its like u repeat a joke for the 100th time and its not as funny as when u said it on the first time u know?

can u please try making a few reads?

what do u think about nutella and spf?

Your opener wasn't NAI by my standards. It felt performative.

I was going to make that post regardless of alignment

what are your reads on nutella and spf

jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

I have seen nothing from SPF recently that leaves me concerned. Why are you reading SPF as scum?

if i had a dayvig and i shot jpic rn and he flipped town would u still not scumread spf

well that was a while ago i decided to call u scum now cuz idk. i think jpic is town and u want my silly friend jpic dead and he town so maybe u mafia or somehging

[VOTE: timsup2nothing] aubergine

like. we should have more than 1 wagon

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine someone else push for a cw if u want

Nut-chan can u leave a legacy readslist on all players no need for explanations just rank their nanes

So this whole interaction Tutuu has with JPIC, Nutella, and SPF really rubs me the wrong way.

Why is JPIC suddenly not mafia and suddenly town? He wasn't ever in trouble of getting lynched either as far as i can tell. then we have the transition of them trying to make Tim a counter wagon????
1. I dont think that wouldve ever happened.
2. Why suddenly do we need a counter wagon?

There has to be something alignment indicative within these posts. The way I see it is:

-JPIC is Town and trying to be pocketed by Tutuu for whatever reason
-SPF is Town or Mafia and just happens to be the target for that switch
-Nutella is Mafia with Tutuu and she does a halfhearted Counterwagon but doesnt want to try and get all of the people off of the huge wagon now formed. If it failed it would of course look bad. So she resign to "you should totally legacy read, sucks to be you"
-Nutella is Town and Tutuu is Mafia. Tutuu of course knows this and is trying to buy credit with the counter wagon attempt. "Aw man, I knew she was town" type of situation.

I dont think the last one is likely but I won't discount it.

there is almost definitely one mafia involved here and it's prolly just JPIC

[Alison]

ok, am convinced nanook probably isn't partners with sprit, and so we're just exeing him for 3P equity, which isn't worth it at this point. obviously we'll still kill him if jpic doesn't flip capper regardless of alignment but jpic flips capper then we're cool with nook.

[Hally]

ok i have to sleep i’m so tired here have a list

town:
mac
tutuu
alison

town lean:
odd
tim
spf
dizzy
wilgy
poison
radishes
dya
herm
samu

idk/poe/whatever:
nanook
nut
ted
sprit
colin
fallen/jules
lc
jpic

This looks like a list of:

My friends
Not my friends but people who’ve quiet or nice
People who are not nice and I dont like how they talk

if this list from hally was completely wrong then i dont think sprit would have attacked it as passively aggressively as he did here. his aggressiveness toward hally for outing this POE probably indicates that the POE is on the right track

i mean we know there’s at least three mafia in the bottom section. who knows how many more

[MacDougall]

Spoiler: show

my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist

cant we like just vig JPIC or something (i still think he's town) instead of wasting a day of wagoning him idk

surely town has KP in a 22 player game so

u guys should know that spf is amazing as wolf. she is amazing as town too as proven by her champs games but on em she has like a 54% winrate as mafia last time i checked (which at least imo is huge, i have like 25% winrate as mafia, its rly hard to wolf in those setups) and i remember skimming a few of her games once and like, her tone, her emotions, everything, its all there. like if she is a wolf she wouldnt just roll over and die, just saying!

i think not wagoning JPC for 1 day to see if he gets vigged or poisoned or dayvigged has merits but dont wanna insist any more

at least nutella and spf and whoever else are gonna defend themselves and hvae reactions and talk and stuff

while JPIC wont talk, so using our yeet on him is like as if ... like u know ... waste opportuntity to make reads / day play, and ujst convert the yeet into a mechnical vig

People say I have done scummy stuff when this is literally what I do as town

can you do something more?

can u empathize with other ppl who find it frustrating how much effort they're putting, while u dont put as much effort and u expect for ppl to correctly townread u?

I am very empathetic to the town cause. I’ve just been trying to have fun

and you made me laugh a lot and i appreciate it

but like multiple ppl have expressed that its not fun anymore, its like u repeat a joke for the 100th time and its not as funny as when u said it on the first time u know?

can u please try making a few reads?

what do u think about nutella and spf?

Your opener wasn't NAI by my standards. It felt performative.

I was going to make that post regardless of alignment

what are your reads on nutella and spf

jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

I have seen nothing from SPF recently that leaves me concerned. Why are you reading SPF as scum?

if i had a dayvig and i shot jpic rn and he flipped town would u still not scumread spf

well that was a while ago i decided to call u scum now cuz idk. i think jpic is town and u want my silly friend jpic dead and he town so maybe u mafia or somehging

[VOTE: timsup2nothing] aubergine

like. we should have more than 1 wagon

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine someone else push for a cw if u want

Nut-chan can u leave a legacy readslist on all players no need for explanations just rank their nanes

So this whole interaction Tutuu has with JPIC, Nutella, and SPF really rubs me the wrong way.

Why is JPIC suddenly not mafia and suddenly town? He wasn't ever in trouble of getting lynched either as far as i can tell. then we have the transition of them trying to make Tim a counter wagon????
1. I dont think that wouldve ever happened.
2. Why suddenly do we need a counter wagon?

There has to be something alignment indicative within these posts. The way I see it is:

-JPIC is Town and trying to be pocketed by Tutuu for whatever reason
-SPF is Town or Mafia and just happens to be the target for that switch
-Nutella is Mafia with Tutuu and she does a halfhearted Counterwagon but doesnt want to try and get all of the people off of the huge wagon now formed. If it failed it would of course look bad. So she resign to "you should totally legacy read, sucks to be you"
-Nutella is Town and Tutuu is Mafia. Tutuu of course knows this and is trying to buy credit with the counter wagon attempt. "Aw man, I knew she was town" type of situation.

I dont think the last one is likely but I won't discount it.

there is almost definitely one mafia involved here and it's prolly just JPIC

What about the flipped mafia?

[Alison]

Tutuu and SPF you need to reconcile what the hell is going on between you. I don't like that Tutuu keeps tinfoiling SPF with it going nowhere. SPF seems like she gives zero hoots that someone in the towncore is tinfoiling her. I don't like the dynamic at all. It doesn't feel town/town because it hasn't blown up into an actual war at any point.

i have little trouble believing that this is town/town actually

[MacDougall]

SPF sees a post that has JPIC, herself and a flipped mafia and says "there's probably one mafia here". What the fuck is that? I don't like it at all.

[staypositivefriend]

Tutuu and SPF you need to reconcile what the hell is going on between you. I don't like that Tutuu keeps tinfoiling SPF with it going nowhere. SPF seems like she gives zero hoots that someone in the towncore is tinfoiling her. I don't like the dynamic at all. It doesn't feel town/town because it hasn't blown up into an actual war at any point.

honestly i am going out of my way to ignore the people who SR me because i know i'll get too annoyed/frustrated if i don't. tutuu wrote a post explaining why she SR me and i refuted it and she kept hardtunneling me. if i cant engage with someone logically then there's not much else i can do, tbh

[MacDougall]

Tutuu and SPF you need to reconcile what the hell is going on between you. I don't like that Tutuu keeps tinfoiling SPF with it going nowhere. SPF seems like she gives zero hoots that someone in the towncore is tinfoiling her. I don't like the dynamic at all. It doesn't feel town/town because it hasn't blown up into an actual war at any point.

i have little trouble believing that this is town/town actually

When two people in the towncore scumread each other it usually causes an explosion in my experience. I've not seen one.

[Oddmerta]

Yeet Nanook.

ok, so you don't have mech reason to hard believe that there is exactly 1 scum in jpic/nanook

what do you think about the possibility of nanook being 3P?

No mech reason. I just don't think mafia put three abilities onto me. I think that it is possible that the other mafia on me had both a postcap ability and something else. I think it's much more likely a mafia than a 3p. If the other one is a 3p I would say that they hit me with something I am unaware of. Possibly Nanook is 3p and does have to target the NKs to get some buff but it wouldn't be just an additional vote.

I still think Tim has more chance than others of being 3p just because his role has 3p potential. But it's just an idea. I think it's possible that his role balancing action means that if the balance gets to a certain degree one way or the other that he gets some super anti whatever faction is in front power. Totally basing this off my own paranoia though. His mech appears to be heavily designed to balance the game between the two factions which to me feels independent. If I am right then his special mega ability is probably fucking terribad for whatever faction is leading.

He's referenced a bloodbath tonight multiple times

Didn't you?

No that was definitely you

Oh I know I did, no question. I still expect it. 22 players requires extra kill power, it didn't come N1...but it stands to reason that it is coming. I expect a couple of town vigs and multiple wolf kills.

But I thought that expectation of added KP was like the only thing we agreed on.

Ah ok, yeah fair enough. The word bloodbath was yours though, I searched just to make sure

[Alison]

mac you need to calm down. spf is towncleared like three times over

[MacDougall]

Tutuu and SPF you need to reconcile what the hell is going on between you. I don't like that Tutuu keeps tinfoiling SPF with it going nowhere. SPF seems like she gives zero hoots that someone in the towncore is tinfoiling her. I don't like the dynamic at all. It doesn't feel town/town because it hasn't blown up into an actual war at any point.

honestly i am going out of my way to ignore the people who SR me because i know i'll get too annoyed/frustrated if i don't. tutuu wrote a post explaining why she SR me and i refuted it and she kept hardtunneling me. if i cant engage with someone logically then there's not much else i can do, tbh

At what point do you just think she's keeping pressure on you because she's mafia and mafia have to create viable misyeets?

[Hally]

Tutuu and SPF you need to reconcile what the hell is going on between you. I don't like that Tutuu keeps tinfoiling SPF with it going nowhere. SPF seems like she gives zero hoots that someone in the towncore is tinfoiling her. I don't like the dynamic at all. It doesn't feel town/town because it hasn't blown up into an actual war at any point.

i have little trouble believing that this is town/town actually

When two people in the towncore scumread each other it usually causes an explosion in my experience. I've not seen one.

i don’t think either of them is the type to explode at someone else

[staypositivefriend]

SPF sees a post that has JPIC, herself and a flipped mafia and says "there's probably one mafia here". What the fuck is that? I don't like it at all.

tbqh i misread the post and didn't realize nutella was one of the people involved with it

[Alison]

Tutuu and SPF you need to reconcile what the hell is going on between you. I don't like that Tutuu keeps tinfoiling SPF with it going nowhere. SPF seems like she gives zero hoots that someone in the towncore is tinfoiling her. I don't like the dynamic at all. It doesn't feel town/town because it hasn't blown up into an actual war at any point.

i have little trouble believing that this is town/town actually

When two people in the towncore scumread each other it usually causes an explosion in my experience. I've not seen one.

yeah but given the personalities involved i don't think this is as applicable.

also it seems one way. spf trusts tutuu, and tutuu baseline level trusts spf but has random tinfoils about her. that is not like a mutual scumread that causes some massive war. occam's razoar is that spf doesn't give a fuck because she knows she's town and who cares about tutuu tinfoiling her when tutuu has not been the towncore taskmaster/wagon pusher anyway? and tutuu is not unlikely to start coming up with tinfoils when she thinks the game is too easy I've seen it a few times

[staypositivefriend]

Tutuu and SPF you need to reconcile what the hell is going on between you. I don't like that Tutuu keeps tinfoiling SPF with it going nowhere. SPF seems like she gives zero hoots that someone in the towncore is tinfoiling her. I don't like the dynamic at all. It doesn't feel town/town because it hasn't blown up into an actual war at any point.

honestly i am going out of my way to ignore the people who SR me because i know i'll get too annoyed/frustrated if i don't. tutuu wrote a post explaining why she SR me and i refuted it and she kept hardtunneling me. if i cant engage with someone logically then there's not much else i can do, tbh

At what point do you just think she's keeping pressure on you because she's mafia and mafia have to create viable misyeets?

i thought about it, but her push on me earlier on d1 had a ton of conviction to it. i townread tutuu less confidently than my other townlock reads but i'm not suspicious of her for pushing on me

[Timsup2nothin]

ok, so you don't have mech reason to hard believe that there is exactly 1 scum in jpic/nanook

what do you think about the possibility of nanook being 3P?

No mech reason. I just don't think mafia put three abilities onto me. I think that it is possible that the other mafia on me had both a postcap ability and something else. I think it's much more likely a mafia than a 3p. If the other one is a 3p I would say that they hit me with something I am unaware of. Possibly Nanook is 3p and does have to target the NKs to get some buff but it wouldn't be just an additional vote.

I still think Tim has more chance than others of being 3p just because his role has 3p potential. But it's just an idea. I think it's possible that his role balancing action means that if the balance gets to a certain degree one way or the other that he gets some super anti whatever faction is in front power. Totally basing this off my own paranoia though. His mech appears to be heavily designed to balance the game between the two factions which to me feels independent. If I am right then his special mega ability is probably fucking terribad for whatever faction is leading.

He's referenced a bloodbath tonight multiple times

Didn't you?

No that was definitely you

Oh I know I did, no question. I still expect it. 22 players requires extra kill power, it didn't come N1...but it stands to reason that it is coming. I expect a couple of town vigs and multiple wolf kills.

But I thought that expectation of added KP was like the only thing we agreed on.

Ah ok, yeah fair enough. The word bloodbath was yours though, I searched just to make sure

I'm a writer. I tend towards the dramatic.

[MacDougall]

mac you need to calm down. spf is towncleared like three times over

I am reading the game well and have led two very good days. There's no problem with me spending some time pushing others during a night phase. Don't freak out about it lol.

[MacDougall]

Tutuu and SPF you need to reconcile what the hell is going on between you. I don't like that Tutuu keeps tinfoiling SPF with it going nowhere. SPF seems like she gives zero hoots that someone in the towncore is tinfoiling her. I don't like the dynamic at all. It doesn't feel town/town because it hasn't blown up into an actual war at any point.

i have little trouble believing that this is town/town actually

When two people in the towncore scumread each other it usually causes an explosion in my experience. I've not seen one.

yeah but given the personalities involved i don't think this is as applicable.

also it seems one way. spf trusts tutuu, and tutuu baseline level trusts spf but has random tinfoils about her. that is not like a mutual scumread that causes some massive war. occam's razoar is that spf doesn't give a fuck because she knows she's town and who cares about tutuu tinfoiling her when tutuu has not been the towncore taskmaster/wagon pusher anyway? and tutuu is not unlikely to start coming up with tinfoils when she thinks the game is too easy I've seen it a few times

Tutuu put her vote on SPF and left it there. I don't see how that indicates a baseline level of trust. I'm gonna get nowhere solving their slots if you step i front of me.

[Hally]

im currently not worried about deep wolves in the lovk town tier because it will become increasingly obvious who that could be if there is one when they don’t die long after they should

this is why the halfway rule exists. for now, we treat the town core as pure as the driven snow. at the halfway point if ppl like spf and tutuu are still alive that may be worth a look

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The nature of my postcap being that it hit me with 50% means that there is an outside chance that it is a role that cumulatively destroys my ability to post. I am concerned that I may have another 50% tomorrow and so on. If that is the case then I would say that it is certainly not a town role. It would be a strange 3p role and much more likely a mafia role. In fact post capping in general is a strange 3p ability. Halving the top town poster's ability to post on night 1 is also just incredibly unlikely to ever be a town move.

Nanook, when you targeted me I presume that you didn't get an extra vote? Do you get notified of whether you get an extra vote? Apologies if you've already said this I can't remember if you have or not.

Nanook from your perspective JPIC is outed mafia now yes? JPIC you believe Nanook is outed mafia too right?

Naw I didn’t, it has to be a successful NK I think

Ehhhh...idk, maybe he is. He still seemed townie to me ignoring mech but then again he claimed cop while no other investigative seems to be able to openly claim so

[MacDougall]

Applejacks:
DrWilgy
dyachei
Justplayingitcool
MacDougall
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Poison Chan

Bran Flakes:
Alison
Samusamu
nutella
Juliets
ColinIsCool
Long Con
Oddmerta
staypositivefriend
tedxtr
Timsup2nothin
tutuu
Master Radishes
Dyslexicon
Hally
Herm

I think everyone has posts so I can at the least take out everyone listed as Applejacks. Im gonna OMGUS Alison until i prove to myself she doesnt deserve it. Everyone else is Bran Flakes

Here have some wifom to occupy you while I do my thing.

[Alison]

you can do what you want mac I'm just telling you my opinion

[MacDougall]

im currently not worried about deep wolves in the lovk town tier because it will become increasingly obvious who that could be if there is one when they don’t die long after they should

this is why the halfway rule exists. for now, we treat the town core as pure as the driven snow. at the halfway point if ppl like spf and tutuu are still alive that may be worth a look

It'll be easier to look through later if they're forced to talk about it now.

[staypositivefriend]

Oddmerta has irked my suspicion

I will no proceed to iso him

Mac claims to be a master of "first post reads." His first post is crafted specifically to meet his own first post townie standards and therefore is probably just NAI.

Tim is lock town because he said "claims" instead of "is". Not pandering to me when he very easily could = lock town. Tim, you have been elevated. You are now Simeon, the Incredible Talking Half Banana Half Orangutan. Your job is to try not to get night killed or misyeeted while I townshield you and drag you to endgame somehow.

Are you sure you locktown this guy? Might be a bit early for that

Why not?

Because I'm scumreading him pretty hard

This is why nutella is scum, they never challemged any of the votes against them. Always going for people not on their wagon.

At 1 vote is where you start challenging but they let it get all the way up to 11 votes. As town surely you would do something about the people voting for you, 3 votes, 5 votes, 8 votes, 10 votes. It's not a runaway wagon at all, it's an unchallenged one

Stinky. The guy who avoided suspicion all day one has two posts a relative content. There are some questions to other players mixed in but nothing that put's forward town solving. Oddmerta suspected Tim all day, then decided he wanted to join the majority and suspect nutella. This stinks. Now for him to suddenly be all up in my business looks even worse for him. He's taking the current situation and running with it. This looks worse than any of the other two player's ive ISOd so far.

This is the ideal position of a wolf. Be low, be read as towny enough, and push for what looks to be an easy mislynch.

[VOTE: Oddmerta, Tutuu] aubergine

Going to resume my vote from yesterday on Tutuu and start my new one.

I'm starting to back off of Alison now. But i still do not trust her.

i pointed out earlier that this progression from sprit is insanely awkward. my gut impression is that this points to oddmerta being town, but it's just weird that sprit draws this much attention to odd here in the most forced way possible. i'd like to hear other peoples take on this

[Hally]

The nature of my postcap being that it hit me with 50% means that there is an outside chance that it is a role that cumulatively destroys my ability to post. I am concerned that I may have another 50% tomorrow and so on. If that is the case then I would say that it is certainly not a town role. It would be a strange 3p role and much more likely a mafia role. In fact post capping in general is a strange 3p ability. Halving the top town poster's ability to post on night 1 is also just incredibly unlikely to ever be a town move.

Nanook, when you targeted me I presume that you didn't get an extra vote? Do you get notified of whether you get an extra vote? Apologies if you've already said this I can't remember if you have or not.

Nanook from your perspective JPIC is outed mafia now yes? JPIC you believe Nanook is outed mafia too right?

Naw I didn’t, it has to be a successful NK I think

Ehhhh...idk, maybe he is. He still seemed townie to me ignoring mech but then again he claimed cop while no other investigative seems to be able to openly claim so

how is it a maybe

if you aren’t the post capper he is the only one it could be so he should be outed maf from your pov unless you’re the post capper

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I have a genuine townread of Sprit

Someone send help

It's because I smell like lavendar and bathe in honey

Silky smooth skin, etc. What's not to townread?

Nook has a lot of anti-alignment with Sprityo. A lot.

did nook just tr every member of the scum team

why is that anti-aligned again?

That would be uh

Pretty embarrassing

[Alison]

The nature of my postcap being that it hit me with 50% means that there is an outside chance that it is a role that cumulatively destroys my ability to post. I am concerned that I may have another 50% tomorrow and so on. If that is the case then I would say that it is certainly not a town role. It would be a strange 3p role and much more likely a mafia role. In fact post capping in general is a strange 3p ability. Halving the top town poster's ability to post on night 1 is also just incredibly unlikely to ever be a town move.

Nanook, when you targeted me I presume that you didn't get an extra vote? Do you get notified of whether you get an extra vote? Apologies if you've already said this I can't remember if you have or not.

Nanook from your perspective JPIC is outed mafia now yes? JPIC you believe Nanook is outed mafia too right?

Naw I didn’t, it has to be a successful NK I think

Ehhhh...idk, maybe he is. He still seemed townie to me ignoring mech but then again he claimed cop while no other investigative seems to be able to openly claim so

if you didn't postcap mac, and jpic is town, who did?

how does this read on jpic make sense

[MacDougall]

Applejacks:
DrWilgy
dyachei
Justplayingitcool
MacDougall
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Poison Chan

Bran Flakes:
Alison
Samusamu
nutella
Juliets
ColinIsCool
Long Con
Oddmerta
staypositivefriend
tedxtr
Timsup2nothin
tutuu
Master Radishes
Dyslexicon
Hally
Herm

I think everyone has posts so I can at the least take out everyone listed as Applejacks. Im gonna OMGUS Alison until i prove to myself she doesnt deserve it. Everyone else is Bran Flakes

You’re voting your townread?

yep, you got a problem with it?

JPIC/Sprityo interactions really don't seem w/w either. This is weird.

[Timsup2nothin]

Applejacks:
DrWilgy
dyachei
Justplayingitcool
MacDougall
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Poison Chan

Bran Flakes:
Alison
Samusamu
nutella
Juliets
ColinIsCool
Long Con
Oddmerta
staypositivefriend
tedxtr
Timsup2nothin
tutuu
Master Radishes
Dyslexicon
Hally
Herm

I think everyone has posts so I can at the least take out everyone listed as Applejacks. Im gonna OMGUS Alison until i prove to myself she doesnt deserve it. Everyone else is Bran Flakes

Here have some wifom to occupy you while I do my thing.

So at this point he has four partners...he puts at least one in the green, yeah?

[staypositivefriend]

also, mac, here is a genuine question - what should i be doing about the tinfoil theories on me other than what i'm already doing?

i've pushed back on the logic when the logic appears, but it's mostly just paranoia and gut reading and Feelings, and i'm not going to waste my time trying to reason people out of a read that they did not reason themselves into. my strategy has basically been: "ignore the people being paranoid and keep playing like you would"

[Hally]

Oddmerta has irked my suspicion

I will no proceed to iso him

Mac claims to be a master of "first post reads." His first post is crafted specifically to meet his own first post townie standards and therefore is probably just NAI.

Tim is lock town because he said "claims" instead of "is". Not pandering to me when he very easily could = lock town. Tim, you have been elevated. You are now Simeon, the Incredible Talking Half Banana Half Orangutan. Your job is to try not to get night killed or misyeeted while I townshield you and drag you to endgame somehow.

Are you sure you locktown this guy? Might be a bit early for that

Why not?

Because I'm scumreading him pretty hard

This is why nutella is scum, they never challemged any of the votes against them. Always going for people not on their wagon.

At 1 vote is where you start challenging but they let it get all the way up to 11 votes. As town surely you would do something about the people voting for you, 3 votes, 5 votes, 8 votes, 10 votes. It's not a runaway wagon at all, it's an unchallenged one

Stinky. The guy who avoided suspicion all day one has two posts a relative content. There are some questions to other players mixed in but nothing that put's forward town solving. Oddmerta suspected Tim all day, then decided he wanted to join the majority and suspect nutella. This stinks. Now for him to suddenly be all up in my business looks even worse for him. He's taking the current situation and running with it. This looks worse than any of the other two player's ive ISOd so far.

This is the ideal position of a wolf. Be low, be read as towny enough, and push for what looks to be an easy mislynch.

[VOTE: Oddmerta, Tutuu] aubergine

Going to resume my vote from yesterday on Tutuu and start my new one.

I'm starting to back off of Alison now. But i still do not trust her.

i pointed out earlier that this progression from sprit is insanely awkward. my gut impression is that this points to oddmerta being town, but it's just weird that sprit draws this much attention to odd here in the most forced way possible. i'd like to hear other peoples take on this

idk he could have been in anti-spew then? because he was kinda outed atp

[MacDougall]

Oddmerta has irked my suspicion

I will no proceed to iso him

Mac claims to be a master of "first post reads." His first post is crafted specifically to meet his own first post townie standards and therefore is probably just NAI.

Tim is lock town because he said "claims" instead of "is". Not pandering to me when he very easily could = lock town. Tim, you have been elevated. You are now Simeon, the Incredible Talking Half Banana Half Orangutan. Your job is to try not to get night killed or misyeeted while I townshield you and drag you to endgame somehow.

Are you sure you locktown this guy? Might be a bit early for that

Why not?

Because I'm scumreading him pretty hard

This is why nutella is scum, they never challemged any of the votes against them. Always going for people not on their wagon.

At 1 vote is where you start challenging but they let it get all the way up to 11 votes. As town surely you would do something about the people voting for you, 3 votes, 5 votes, 8 votes, 10 votes. It's not a runaway wagon at all, it's an unchallenged one

Stinky. The guy who avoided suspicion all day one has two posts a relative content. There are some questions to other players mixed in but nothing that put's forward town solving. Oddmerta suspected Tim all day, then decided he wanted to join the majority and suspect nutella. This stinks. Now for him to suddenly be all up in my business looks even worse for him. He's taking the current situation and running with it. This looks worse than any of the other two player's ive ISOd so far.

This is the ideal position of a wolf. Be low, be read as towny enough, and push for what looks to be an easy mislynch.

[VOTE: Oddmerta, Tutuu] aubergine

Going to resume my vote from yesterday on Tutuu and start my new one.

I'm starting to back off of Alison now. But i still do not trust her.

i pointed out earlier that this progression from sprit is insanely awkward. my gut impression is that this points to oddmerta being town, but it's just weird that sprit draws this much attention to odd here in the most forced way possible. i'd like to hear other peoples take on this

Sprityo as scum is very prone to taking someone who is scumreading on, dramatically ISOing them and confbiasing them as a scumread. I'd take Oddmerta as lock town at this point.

[Alison]

i pointed out earlier that this progression from sprit is insanely awkward. my gut impression is that this points to oddmerta being town, but it's just weird that sprit draws this much attention to odd here in the most forced way possible. i'd like to hear other peoples take on this

I hard townread Odd so I'm biased but I will say that this was all posted after people raised suspicions on Oddmerta, and in a situation where sprit would be looking for a misexe, so that to me signals that Oddmerta was the scum team's designated misexe because a bunch of people were suspecting him.

[MacDougall]

Spoiler: show

Okay, I'm convinced, sprit is scummy. I want you to tell me how that suddenly changed. I don't think we've ever played together for starters.

Specifically what persuaded me was the way sprit declined multiple opportunities to earn Mac's townread by saying "yeah I think Mac is scum for misreading me". Regardless of how accurate the meta tell is, I think town are generally a lot more likely to just be like "yeah, yeah, I'm town, here's what you want, now leave me alone so I can slank/solve/lead/whatever", whereas mafia tends to be naturally be inclined towards being more self-conscious and less likely to "blatantly" try to grab towncred because they're paranoid it looks bad or it could be a trap.This is hypothetical, what is normal means nothing and meta is a useless word to justify an agenda. What town cred am I trying to grab?

Naturally this doesn't apply if the scum player in question is good enough to do audacious things to get townread but sprit doesn't seem like a particularly audacious player so I'm just seeing this as scum. Audacious? hahahahAHAHAHA

Flimsy at best. Made even less solid given your sudden change in alignment. Then of course we got-

Ok you're town

wow, this is your second bait and switch of the day

removing linki was a mistake

(I stand by my read though)

If your excuse would be youre just following mac and that now youre not because you've "developed your own opinion" it's still not enough to justify what youre trying to push. You couldnt go back either way after that big post because it would make you look bad. Yet you had to justify it with "i stand by my read though.

[VOTE: JPIC] aubergine

I'm sheeping my towncore.

side note unrelated to me and all my glory- Tutuu just says JPIC and FallenPrince are mafia with no backup. You only pushed this (ever so slightly) later

[???]
Colin
dyachei
Fallen Prince
Long Con
Samusamu

[Mafia]
JPIC
sprityo
tedxtr

If you're just sheeping tutuu for reads then why's FP up in "???" ? TL;DR is telling me: lazy town applying logic to something unsubstantiated....at best. Or you're scum and making these loud bold statements on purpose to look good. since textwalls = town right? (no it doesnt)

Your "let's talk about JPIC" thing feels like an awkward attempt to redirect the subject to JPIC now (probably because JPIC is one of the people perceived to be scummier than you) that you've admitted there's actually nothing legitimate to talk about.

Also "Mac's reads are all wrong, Mac's case on JPIC is bullshit, but I'll go ahead and sheep Mac onto JPIC anyways" is super bad.

Also I don't think JPIC and sprityo can be wolf together now so I'm wrongly scumreading one of them.

Okay, here's something I will give you credit for. You're not wrong. I had just popped into thread, saw my name in Mac's mouth. Reacted. I was assuming something noteworthy had actually happened, but no it's day 1 where we all shout how ugly your christmas sweaters are and then you get locked in the closet for being not ugly enough. Second line is true, true, and true but why is it super bad? you just saying so doesnt make me believe anything. Finally a backpedal on the scum read just before. This post is really good at throwing shade and that's about it.

Okay JPIC, here's the good news. I think sprit and you both look bad but I also don't think you can be wolves together and the way sprit tried to turn the subject to you when under pressure indicates that you're the town of that pair. Here's your chance to show me you're town. Tell me where your head is at with the gamestate atm. Do you feel optimistic about the mass of people all heavily townreading each other? Do you have any reads you feel strongly about?

/looking at powerwolfing article from thingy

*ahem*

Spirit is clearly a wolf. I see the wolves have no shame and once again are trying to get me mislynched like U-Pick. Disgraceful behaviour.

Do I feel optimistic about everyone townreading each other? Not really. My strongest townread is myself.

I feel like you're referencing something about that article but it's long and many parts of it could theoretically apply to this game so I'm going to need you to spell out what it is you mean exactly.

This post is good because Alison is trying to be "nice" to JPIC and win their trust so that she can bag more votes or at the least more negative attention to me. It makes her previous "IDK which is a wolf and which is town" even more odd. If she somehow changed her opinion of JPIC between her readwall and now why all the confusing text? If anything I think JPIC posted that article in reference to you or even mac because of how he was feeling
To summarize what I think about this post: There was no need for this post.

Two more posts just tunneling me in particular and then a bunch of non game relevant posts and then we get here:

i also don't really get what's going on with spirit and jpic? Maybe it's because I don't know their meta?

I really think the way sprityo attacked JPIC was super scummy and it's one of the major factors that would make JPIC trend up in my reads (I'm ambivalent about it atm because there are good reasons to scumread him too and he didn't really do anything when I tried to reach out to him and get him to show me his towniness).

It was like, sprityo gets pressured by Mac and questioned, and then he immediately redirects with "actually let's not talk about this, let's talk about your JPIC read, I thought that was interesting". And then when Mac challenges him to specify what he found interesting about the JPIC read, he flails for a bit and then lashes out at Mac ("everything you've said has been bollocks", "your case is only based on your own word" etc).

To me that reads as though sprityo is very uncomfortable with Mac's pressure and wants to divert attention to someone else he thinks Mac will scumread just as strongly, and perhaps even townread him for finding JPIC scummy. Could scum!sprityo bullshit some fake reason why the JPIC read was "interesting"? I don't know. But I do know that the two towny responses to pressure are either folding and just receding from the game (because you can't take it) or trying to argue/fight back and show why you're town/why the person pressuring you is misguided or scum. It isn't townie to just grab some random player that's widely scumread and try to use them as a human shield.

Which I've already quoted and talked about. This is the same post as above im saying is just shade throwing, only with more wording. This is more a direct attempt to get a single person to have a bad image of myself starting off. I'm sure any regular who's been in a game with Mac and I and we always have this rivalry goin on. I recognize mac is a good player, better than myself in my opinion. And mac recognizes i am a good player but a easy mislynch/lynch depending on what team we're respectively on. To which I will say yes, I am afraid of mac. Now you know. This isn't new so go figure that this post is NAI

Aaaaaand That's all I really have. Let's wrap it up outside the spoiler:

Alison has been making a lot of posts about past games, mechanics kind of? and of course pushing me and really only me. I saw something about Odd and ted here and there but really nothing to support her town reads or her two scum reads. I think Alison is trying to be a deepwolf with minimal effort to be honest. As for who could be her partners I could definitely but down JPIC, Mac, Tutuu, and Hally as potential partners.

-JPIC for how she suddenly scum read them, then didnt, then tried to help them not be scumread
-Mac couldve just been sheeped but there's also the possibility of "lol watch me get sprit mislynched, i've done it before. Just follow my lead"
-Tutuu and Hally are similar to mac, could just be buddy buddy with them and not actually partners.

Here is an example of him doing it to Alison in this game too. I also posted a link to a game I caught him in where he did it to me.

[Alison]

Sprityo as scum is very prone to taking someone who is scumreading on, dramatically ISOing them and confbiasing them as a scumread. I'd take Oddmerta as lock town at this point.

never doubt the alison townshield

[MacDougall]

If Oddmerta was a designated misyeet then that points back at Tim (and Poison Chan) given the day's play.

[MacDougall]

Nanook feels like he's floundering amongst the overt towniness of the game.

I think thats just nanook though? At least that's how i felt about him in Upick2

This is an awkward shielding of Nook though.

[Alison]

JPIC/Sprityo interactions really don't seem w/w either. This is weird.

I think this one might have W/W equity, or at least it doesn't spew JPIC as hard town as other instances of interactions you've pointed out.

[staypositivefriend]

i pointed out earlier that this progression from sprit is insanely awkward. my gut impression is that this points to oddmerta being town, but it's just weird that sprit draws this much attention to odd here in the most forced way possible. i'd like to hear other peoples take on this

I hard townread Odd so I'm biased but I will say that this was all posted after people raised suspicions on Oddmerta, and in a situation where sprit would be looking for a misexe, so that to me signals that Oddmerta was the scum team's designated misexe because a bunch of people were suspecting him.

i've been under the impression that odd was a pretty universal townread throughout the game, even w/that post from sprit. i'll see if i can find other examples of people pushing on him or piggybacking off of sprit's suspicion

[Timsup2nothin]

Oddmerta has irked my suspicion

I will no proceed to iso him

Mac claims to be a master of "first post reads." His first post is crafted specifically to meet his own first post townie standards and therefore is probably just NAI.

Tim is lock town because he said "claims" instead of "is". Not pandering to me when he very easily could = lock town. Tim, you have been elevated. You are now Simeon, the Incredible Talking Half Banana Half Orangutan. Your job is to try not to get night killed or misyeeted while I townshield you and drag you to endgame somehow.

Are you sure you locktown this guy? Might be a bit early for that

Why not?

Because I'm scumreading him pretty hard

This is why nutella is scum, they never challemged any of the votes against them. Always going for people not on their wagon.

At 1 vote is where you start challenging but they let it get all the way up to 11 votes. As town surely you would do something about the people voting for you, 3 votes, 5 votes, 8 votes, 10 votes. It's not a runaway wagon at all, it's an unchallenged one

Stinky. The guy who avoided suspicion all day one has two posts a relative content. There are some questions to other players mixed in but nothing that put's forward town solving. Oddmerta suspected Tim all day, then decided he wanted to join the majority and suspect nutella. This stinks. Now for him to suddenly be all up in my business looks even worse for him. He's taking the current situation and running with it. This looks worse than any of the other two player's ive ISOd so far.

This is the ideal position of a wolf. Be low, be read as towny enough, and push for what looks to be an easy mislynch.

[VOTE: Oddmerta, Tutuu] aubergine

Going to resume my vote from yesterday on Tutuu and start my new one.

I'm starting to back off of Alison now. But i still do not trust her.

i pointed out earlier that this progression from sprit is insanely awkward. my gut impression is that this points to oddmerta being town, but it's just weird that sprit draws this much attention to odd here in the most forced way possible. i'd like to hear other peoples take on this

Trying to pocket me?

There was something else earlier...where he was being snide about Hally's read list...that was kinda something like I would say and may have said.

Sprit may have been trying to get on my good side...why bother being an obvious question...

[MacDougall]

Well, heck.

I have played the mow intensity goof off game I wanted to play, but now it is three hours to the midpoint of the day, where I post my day one reads, and I got nothin' in particular and haven't taken any notes from which to come up with anything.

Low intensity goofing off turns out to just be procrastination and now I have to make up for it.

Not amused.

Come sheep my wagon on Samu! I have actual reasons!

Little bit of defense on Samu too.

[MacDougall]

JPIC/Sprityo interactions really don't seem w/w either. This is weird.

I think this one might have W/W equity, or at least it doesn't spew JPIC as hard town as other instances of interactions you've pointed out.

It's not the only interaction that feels unaligned.

[Alison]

i pointed out earlier that this progression from sprit is insanely awkward. my gut impression is that this points to oddmerta being town, but it's just weird that sprit draws this much attention to odd here in the most forced way possible. i'd like to hear other peoples take on this

I hard townread Odd so I'm biased but I will say that this was all posted after people raised suspicions on Oddmerta, and in a situation where sprit would be looking for a misexe, so that to me signals that Oddmerta was the scum team's designated misexe because a bunch of people were suspecting him.

i've been under the impression that odd was a pretty universal townread throughout the game, even w/that post from sprit. i'll see if i can find other examples of people pushing on him or piggybacking off of sprit's suspicion

I distinctly remember a bunch of people scumreading him. I can name tutuu, Mac, Tim and sprityo by name. Don't remember the others but there were some, iirc

[Hally]

i mean wasn’t that after i basically outed sprit though

im pretty sure he wasn’t thinking he’d get a yeet on odd atp? like designated mislim is kinda irrelevant because the elimination was always gonna be jpic/sprit basically

idk imo it could be anti spew. like it really doesn’t have to be but im not ruling it out

[MacDougall]

I’ve got about 10 pages to catch up on rn, but the question of

“Who is Oddmerta?” Came into my mind

Definitely wanted to try to push Oddmerta.