The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:42 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:39 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:01 am Back to buckets:

One of Rej of Drago
One or two of everyone else

I’m not voting for Mac he’s town and he’s better than I am so the cost benefit analysis doesn’t work out for self pres
Why are Rej and Drago antialigned?
Drago latches onto Rej early and frequently, if they’re both scum that wouldn’t have happened especially since the two are associated already in some ways. But both occupy lowish spaces on my tier list so it’s very likely that one is scum. I could see it go either way but my guess is Drago scum.

I feel like you’re making the case that they’re the same alignment...

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:45 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:42 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:39 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:01 am Back to buckets:

One of Rej of Drago
One or two of everyone else

I’m not voting for Mac he’s town and he’s better than I am so the cost benefit analysis doesn’t work out for self pres
Why are Rej and Drago antialigned?
Drago latches onto Rej early and frequently, if they’re both scum that wouldn’t have happened especially since the two are associated already in some ways. But both occupy lowish spaces on my tier list so it’s very likely that one is scum. I could see it go either way but my guess is Drago scum.
I feel like you’re making the case that they’re the same alignment...

As in that I have been making the case that they’re the same? I haven’t thought of it that way. Maybe I’m wrong to say that they’re not w/w but I don’t think so.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:45 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:11 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:38 pm I'm pretty down for this apparent consensus. My only concern is that there is too much of a consensus... but then again, I think the going hypothesis is that he'd only have one teammate and it's likely to be sprityo who's been quiet anyway. So, [VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine
Nutella’s 20 some posts before this are all about Jay. Jay says they look authentic. Okay. Apparently in that time Nutella picked up Mac’s random scumreads from the beginning.

I've suspected you for a while dude lol

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:50 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:42 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:39 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:01 am Back to buckets:

One of Rej of Drago
One or two of everyone else

I’m not voting for Mac he’s town and he’s better than I am so the cost benefit analysis doesn’t work out for self pres
Why are Rej and Drago antialigned?
Drago latches onto Rej early and frequently, if they’re both scum that wouldn’t have happened especially since the two are associated already in some ways. But both occupy lowish spaces on my tier list so it’s very likely that one is scum. I could see it go either way but my guess is Drago scum.
I feel like you’re making the case that they’re the same alignment...
As in that I have been making the case that they’re the same? I haven’t thought of it that way. Maybe I’m wrong to say that they’re not w/w but I don’t think so.

I mean town Drago will tend to suspect wolf Rej. Wolf Drago might try to mislynch or buddy town Rej.

Wolf Drago won’t focus on wolf Rej.

Town Drago might find town Rej.

I don’t get why you think there is one wolf between them.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:52 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:17 pm There's only one positive thing about TSP. He's going against the grain with the scum read on me. Though, I'm not sure what to make of it.

Ehh I feel like it could be kind of a hail mary though/trying to make it look like he has real original opinions and trying to set off discussion about literally anyone besides himself (and sprityo)

Sprit has not made me feel any better, his mac vote is nasty. I really think occam's razor here is just tony/sprit team... but is this game really that easy? It may not be, but my inclination is to go ahead and lynch them and if the game isn't over then we can buckle down on finding a deepwolf (or it's just jay or epi who wouldn't be so "deep" to me lol)

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:57 pm**

Reminder to all that Long Con exists.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:25 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:57 pm Reminder to all that Long Con exists.

Ok, and?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:26 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:52 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:17 pm There's only one positive thing about TSP. He's going against the grain with the scum read on me. Though, I'm not sure what to make of it.
Ehh I feel like it could be kind of a hail mary though/trying to make it look like he has real original opinions and trying to set off discussion about literally anyone besides himself (and sprityo)

I was thinking the same thing but I don't wanna jump to it so fast. I'd like to avoid tunneling.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:37 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:25 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:57 pm Reminder to all that Long Con exists.
Ok, and?

Theories of the game, whatever they may be, need to account for Long Con’s existence.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:39 pm**

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention], why is MacDougall such a confident town read that it surpasses your self-preservation?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:45 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:37 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:25 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:57 pm Reminder to all that Long Con exists.
Ok, and?
Theories of the game, whatever they may be, need to account for Long Con’s existence.

Why? What are we supposed to conclude about an inactive?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:49 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:37 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:25 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:57 pm Reminder to all that Long Con exists.
Ok, and?
Theories of the game, whatever they may be, need to account for Long Con’s existence.
Why? What are we supposed to conclude about an inactive?

Nothing. I’m referring to contingencies and chatter of “deep” mafia. LC exists and there’s nothing to preclude that slot from being among the mafia team. I just want people cognizant of that, obvious as it may seem, as they explore their worlds.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:57 pm**

The best way to get a read on Long Con is to solidify reads on everyone else. POE is the only way to do anything with inactive players.

I think TSP and sprityo are suspects, but for me it’s more about the absence of civilian indicators than a presence of mafia indicators. Long Con has no civilian indicators either and is accordingly a suspect.

I don’t think he’d even be blank anymore in my rainbow. He’s orange by virtue of numerous others being green. There are only so many slots.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:08 pm**

Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:11 pm**

I did my iso on Sprityo and...I can't read him. Most of his posts are him trolling. The only ones of noteworthy are his vote on Mac and that post where he split the player list into a top half and bottom half. I sense omgus in his vote considering the lack of reasoning against Mac and how it came much after Mac was throwing heat at him(but he did put Mac in the bottom half list which he said he'd be looking into the most).

Now, I'd rather not get into wifom here but it's hard not to think about if scum would play like he's doing. I can't say I scum read him nor town read him.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:20 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:45 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:11 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:38 pm I'm pretty down for this apparent consensus. My only concern is that there is too much of a consensus... but then again, I think the going hypothesis is that he'd only have one teammate and it's likely to be sprityo who's been quiet anyway. So, [VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine
Nutella’s 20 some posts before this are all about Jay. Jay says they look authentic. Okay. Apparently in that time Nutella picked up Mac’s random scumreads from the beginning.
I've suspected you for a while dude lol

oh i was talking about sprityo

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:27 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:52 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:17 pm There's only one positive thing about TSP. He's going against the grain with the scum read on me. Though, I'm not sure what to make of it.
Ehh I feel like it could be kind of a hail mary though/trying to make it look like he has real original opinions and trying to set off discussion about literally anyone besides himself (and sprityo)

Sprit has not made me feel any better, his mac vote is nasty. I really think occam's razor here is just tony/sprit team... but is this game really that easy? It may not be, but my inclination is to go ahead and lynch them and if the game isn't over then we can buckle down on finding a deepwolf (or it's just jay or epi who wouldn't be so "deep" to me lol)

why would i have to fake original opinions when it seems like I could just take reads from others and shoot to the top of the townie list

alternatively

"I feel like TSP is scum because he said something different and that's too much work"

alternatively

wait where is Sprityo coming from again have you actually said anything about Sprityo also why do people suspect sprityo, whose game plan apparently in all cases is apparently just "exist"? Discuss.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:27 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:11 pm I did my iso on Sprityo and...I can't read him. Most of his posts are him trolling. The only ones of noteworthy are his vote on Mac and that post where he split the player list into a top half and bottom half. I sense omgus in his vote considering the lack of reasoning against Mac and how it came much after Mac was throwing heat at him(but he did put Mac in the bottom half list which he said he'd be looking into the most).

Now, I'd rather not get into wifom here but it's hard not to think about if scum would play like he's doing. I can't say I scum read him nor town read him.

this is the correct opinion

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:33 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:39 pm TonyStarkPrime, why is MacDougall such a confident town read that it surpasses your self-preservation?

as th
because mac is better than me and because I''m stubborn and dramatic.
I think nutella/Mac is a legitimate possibility here but Mac is the second in that pairing and theres absolutely no reason to be voting there for now in my mind

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:34 pm**

not sure where the "as th" comes from

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:36 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:08 pm Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.

scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:40 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:27 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:52 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:17 pm There's only one positive thing about TSP. He's going against the grain with the scum read on me. Though, I'm not sure what to make of it.
Ehh I feel like it could be kind of a hail mary though/trying to make it look like he has real original opinions and trying to set off discussion about literally anyone besides himself (and sprityo)

Sprit has not made me feel any better, his mac vote is nasty. I really think occam's razor here is just tony/sprit team... but is this game really that easy? It may not be, but my inclination is to go ahead and lynch them and if the game isn't over then we can buckle down on finding a deepwolf (or it's just jay or epi who wouldn't be so "deep" to me lol)
why would i have to fake original opinions when it seems like I could just take reads from others and shoot to the top of the townie list

alternatively

"I feel like TSP is scum because he said something different and that's too much work"

alternatively

wait where is Sprityo coming from again have you actually said anything about Sprityo also why do people suspect sprityo, whose game plan apparently in all cases is apparently just "exist"? Discuss.

Because that is sheeping. That doesn't get you town cred at all. Making original fake reads does.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:40 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:27 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:11 pm I did my iso on Sprityo and...I can't read him. Most of his posts are him trolling. The only ones of noteworthy are his vote on Mac and that post where he split the player list into a top half and bottom half. I sense omgus in his vote considering the lack of reasoning against Mac and how it came much after Mac was throwing heat at him(but he did put Mac in the bottom half list which he said he'd be looking into the most).

Now, I'd rather not get into wifom here but it's hard not to think about if scum would play like he's doing. I can't say I scum read him nor town read him.
this is the correct opinion

Why?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:42 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:24 am Creature- No clear opinion.

Dragomir- I stand by my take. Came out throwing like Drew Brees.

Jack- I'm not rereading your 77 posts. Feeling is positive though.

JJJ- Unless he goofs, I don't lynch him Day 1. He hasn't goofed (been a donkey, maybe, but not goofed). I'd have to be convinced to vote there, and I don't see that happening.

Long Con- Got lost in concessions.

MacDougall- I look for a confident "Epi-JJJ-LC is scum got em" post early on. True to fashion, he made one. This time he included the fucking host. I noted it, but left it alone to see what other people would say about it. "Oh golly gee Mac is so town for that." Not in my stadium. Smells like a Minnesota Viking fan's fart. Would lynch.

nutella- I can't have a confident opinion of her or it's a red flag.

Rej- Will have to revisit.

sprityo- Will have to revisit.

TonyStarkPrime- Will have to revisit.

Picking up where I left off. Glad I waited.

Rej- I suspect Rej.

Spoiler: show

"Some people called MacDougall good and nobody (apparently

) called Epignosis good, therefore MacDougall is good." Do I have that right? If Mac is bad, Rej bad too.

sprityo-

Spoiler: show

I now have him second behind Dragomir for a shiny civilian medal.

TonyStarkPrime- I read through his 81 posts again (

to Jack). I don't find TonyStarkPrime suspicious and would not lynch him Day 1.

I've got a blank up there for Creature, so I need to remedy that.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:44 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:08 pm Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.
scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this

Eh? Mafia already know who’s town.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:45 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:08 pm Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.

I didn't make the team. I'm shocked. I'm gutted.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:47 pm**

Epignosis, what do you like most about sprityo’s posts?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:51 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:47 pm Epignosis, what do you like most about sprityo’s posts?

They are honest, shoot-from-the-hip-I-don't-even-care-if-I-get-lynched-Day-1-like-I-always-do-when-sig-isn't-playing. He suspects me (or at least has me as a "scum candidate") but isn't afraid to vote alongside me. He's relaxed and just going with it. I dig it.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:54 pm**

You gave him a "naw." Why's that?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:02 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:40 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:27 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:52 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:17 pm There's only one positive thing about TSP. He's going against the grain with the scum read on me. Though, I'm not sure what to make of it.
Ehh I feel like it could be kind of a hail mary though/trying to make it look like he has real original opinions and trying to set off discussion about literally anyone besides himself (and sprityo)

Sprit has not made me feel any better, his mac vote is nasty. I really think occam's razor here is just tony/sprit team... but is this game really that easy? It may not be, but my inclination is to go ahead and lynch them and if the game isn't over then we can buckle down on finding a deepwolf (or it's just jay or epi who wouldn't be so "deep" to me lol)
why would i have to fake original opinions when it seems like I could just take reads from others and shoot to the top of the townie list

alternatively

"I feel like TSP is scum because he said something different and that's too much work"

alternatively

wait where is Sprityo coming from again have you actually said anything about Sprityo also why do people suspect sprityo, whose game plan apparently in all cases is apparently just "exist"? Discuss.
Because that is sheeping. That doesn't get you town cred at all. Making original fake reads does.

im sorry I was throwing shade at you and nutella

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:04 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:44 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:08 pm Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.
scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this
Eh? Mafia already know who’s town.

thats the point, mafia naturally knows that everyone is town and will townread their teammates so they generally have a wider town list whereas town is less trusting and more paranoid and will generally have a wider scumlist
Again, syndicate has by my view a "find town-core" town meta so I've learned to trust this less than I have in the past

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:05 pm**

I don’t think Epi is wolfin with Tony or Jay and I don’t think Jay is wolfin with LC either.

So my “four” player POE can be Jay, Epi, LC, Sprityo, Tony.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:06 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:47 pm Epignosis, what do you like most about sprityo’s posts?
They are honest, shoot-from-the-hip-I-don't-even-care-if-I-get-lynched-Day-1-like-I-always-do-when-sig-isn't-playing. He suspects me (or at least has me as a "scum candidate") but isn't afraid to vote alongside me. He's relaxed and just going with it. I dig it.

Lol shots fired.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:06 pm**

One time Sprityo got lynched D1 and D2 and that’s how I met Sprityo.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:07 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:02 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:40 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:27 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:52 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:17 pm There's only one positive thing about TSP. He's going against the grain with the scum read on me. Though, I'm not sure what to make of it.
Ehh I feel like it could be kind of a hail mary though/trying to make it look like he has real original opinions and trying to set off discussion about literally anyone besides himself (and sprityo)

Sprit has not made me feel any better, his mac vote is nasty. I really think occam's razor here is just tony/sprit team... but is this game really that easy? It may not be, but my inclination is to go ahead and lynch them and if the game isn't over then we can buckle down on finding a deepwolf (or it's just jay or epi who wouldn't be so "deep" to me lol)
why would i have to fake original opinions when it seems like I could just take reads from others and shoot to the top of the townie list

alternatively

"I feel like TSP is scum because he said something different and that's too much work"

alternatively

wait where is Sprityo coming from again have you actually said anything about Sprityo also why do people suspect sprityo, whose game plan apparently in all cases is apparently just "exist"? Discuss.
Because that is sheeping. That doesn't get you town cred at all. Making original fake reads does.
im sorry I was throwing shade at you and nutella

Wait, what?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:08 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:44 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:08 pm Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.
scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this
Eh? Mafia already know who’s town.
thats the point, mafia naturally knows that everyone is town and will townread their teammates so they generally have a wider town list whereas town is less trusting and more paranoid and will generally have a wider scumlist
Again, syndicate has by my view a "find town-core" town meta so I've learned to trust this less than I have in the past

But mafia doesn't always town read their teammates. They rarely ever do so unless their teammate is a deepwolf.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:08 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:54 pm You gave him a "naw." Why's that?

He has hardly done anything, and none of it stands out to me. I will think about what you’ve said.

I’m putting Mac back in the naughty pile. There is dissonance there.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:09 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:02 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:40 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:27 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:52 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:17 pm There's only one positive thing about TSP. He's going against the grain with the scum read on me. Though, I'm not sure what to make of it.
Ehh I feel like it could be kind of a hail mary though/trying to make it look like he has real original opinions and trying to set off discussion about literally anyone besides himself (and sprityo)

Sprit has not made me feel any better, his mac vote is nasty. I really think occam's razor here is just tony/sprit team... but is this game really that easy? It may not be, but my inclination is to go ahead and lynch them and if the game isn't over then we can buckle down on finding a deepwolf (or it's just jay or epi who wouldn't be so "deep" to me lol)
why would i have to fake original opinions when it seems like I could just take reads from others and shoot to the top of the townie list

alternatively

"I feel like TSP is scum because he said something different and that's too much work"

alternatively

wait where is Sprityo coming from again have you actually said anything about Sprityo also why do people suspect sprityo, whose game plan apparently in all cases is apparently just "exist"? Discuss.
Because that is sheeping. That doesn't get you town cred at all. Making original fake reads does.
im sorry I was throwing shade at you and nutella
Wait, what?

Well if you'll recall my argument against you was that you take reads that people posted 20 minutes ago and declare that they were your's the whole time

Nutella has had two original cases this game including one against Mac that ended with the inheritance of all of Mac's reads (sprit tsp jjj) and has interacted with all of the other players by not doing that

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:10 pm**

Let’s just lynch Jay.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:10 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:44 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:08 pm Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.
scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this
Eh? Mafia already know who’s town.
thats the point, mafia naturally knows that everyone is town and will townread their teammates so they generally have a wider town list whereas town is less trusting and more paranoid and will generally have a wider scumlist
Again, syndicate has by my view a "find town-core" town meta so I've learned to trust this less than I have in the past
But mafia doesn't always town read their teammates. They rarely ever do so unless their teammate is a deepwolf.

what is a deepwolf I've seen this term around and I do not understand

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:11 pm**

I’m still out and about, so I can only poke in once in a while.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:14 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:10 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:44 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:08 pm Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.
scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this
Eh? Mafia already know who’s town.
thats the point, mafia naturally knows that everyone is town and will townread their teammates so they generally have a wider town list whereas town is less trusting and more paranoid and will generally have a wider scumlist
Again, syndicate has by my view a "find town-core" town meta so I've learned to trust this less than I have in the past
But mafia doesn't always town read their teammates. They rarely ever do so unless their teammate is a deepwolf.
what is a deepwolf I've seen this term around and I do not understand

A scum that is in the town core by pretty much everyone in the game. I'd be one if I was scum.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:15 pm**

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] why is Creature not in your naw list? The reasons you gave against Sprityo can be applied to him as well.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:15 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:13 am If anyone needs a reason to vote for sprityo just read his iso and ask yourself whether his reads are pro town.

my reads are anti mac

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:17 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:14 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:10 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:44 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:08 pm Can I say “this player is a civilian!” without experiencing gobs of cognitive dissonance, doubt, or incredulity?

Creature - yeah
Dragomir - yeah
Epignosis - naw
Jack - yeah
Long Con - naw
MacDougall - yeah
nutella - yeah
Rej - yeah
sprityo - naw
Tony - naw

So there’s a POE of four.
scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this
Eh? Mafia already know who’s town.
thats the point, mafia naturally knows that everyone is town and will townread their teammates so they generally have a wider town list whereas town is less trusting and more paranoid and will generally have a wider scumlist
Again, syndicate has by my view a "find town-core" town meta so I've learned to trust this less than I have in the past
But mafia doesn't always town read their teammates. They rarely ever do so unless their teammate is a deepwolf.
what is a deepwolf I've seen this term around and I do not understand
A scum that is in the town core by pretty much everyone in the game. I'd be one if I was scum.

wrong verb mood => scum

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:18 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:25 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:22 pm Let me guess:

Voting phase will take forever to start and when it does I'll have to pull something I know is completely bullshit to justify my vote when there's absolutely no need to.
If this weren’t Creature it’d seem like scum preemptively making excuses, but this is a legitimate form of complaint I think from our resident complainer and scum wouldn’t be quite so quick on the excuse? Lean town?

This post makes me see a Creature and TSP team combo here. The wifom reasoning to conclude that he's town I just really don't like and Idk why but it just feels like something he'd be doing for his buddy instead of a townie. Tbh, nearly all the reasoning TSP has provided against or for something has been wifom related. I wonder why.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:18 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:57 pm The best way to get a read on Long Con is to solidify reads on everyone else. POE is the only way to do anything with inactive players.

I think TSP and sprityo are suspects, but for me it’s more about the absence of civilian indicators than a presence of mafia indicators. Long Con has no civilian indicators either and is accordingly a suspect.

I don’t think he’d even be blank anymore in my rainbow. He’s orange by virtue of numerous others being green. There are only so many slots.

nice 180, jackass

i'll be returning this sticker now

i didnt want your grubby handouts anyways :suspicious:

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:18 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:17 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:14 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:10 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:44 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:36 pm

scum finds town town finds scum
is apparently an old way of playing but it's still my first reaction when I see a list like this
Eh? Mafia already know who’s town.
thats the point, mafia naturally knows that everyone is town and will townread their teammates so they generally have a wider town list whereas town is less trusting and more paranoid and will generally have a wider scumlist
Again, syndicate has by my view a "find town-core" town meta so I've learned to trust this less than I have in the past
But mafia doesn't always town read their teammates. They rarely ever do so unless their teammate is a deepwolf.
what is a deepwolf I've seen this term around and I do not understand
A scum that is in the town core by pretty much everyone in the game. I'd be one if I was scum.
wrong verb mood => scum

Um, what?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:19 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:06 pm One time Sprityo got lynched D1 and D2 and that’s how I met Sprityo.

truly the shining moment of my mafia career

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:21 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:54 pm You gave him a "naw." Why's that?
He has hardly done anything, and none of it stands out to me. I will think about what you’ve said.

I’m putting Mac back in the naughty pile. There is dissonance there.

if i really didnt care, i wouldn't be here now would I?

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