The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:33 pm**

Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:28 pm My chart sucked in that the orange blocks appear wrong, but the yellow pile might still be salvageable. Either way it's definitely not my best chart. Anyway I don't much care about it anymore and am reassessing interactions from the start.
Why change so much now that spf flipped but so so hesitant to change before that?

You made me cry mr jjj

I mean, with the power role claims the change is necessitated, and it wasn't before that. It's not about my reads as much as it's about how much room I have in the POE pool. There's a good chance I'll vote for someone today that I thought looked town most of the game.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:34 pm**

Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:27 pm Wait so we’re confident that Tutuu is mafia because she’s hit all of her town markers but hasn’t been mafia in 2 years???

Alisons votes look the worst here
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

She was mafia not that long ago

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:35 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:34 pm
Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:27 pm Wait so we’re confident that Tutuu is mafia because she’s hit all of her town markers but hasn’t been mafia in 2 years???

Alisons votes look the worst here
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine
She was mafia not that long ago

Gotcha, mistead

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:35 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:31 pm
Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:20 pm Is JJJ particularly good at faking long association based reads? Like he came up with his whole association chart which made sense but was entirely wrong looking back at it. It seems like a bad idea to be so wrong
if you want to see scum Jay go to game of champions in 2020 and Iso his posts. Also you can check how Sloonei figured he is wolf. Idk if he knew it because Sloonei was also wolf in another team, but he was authentic in his scumhunt.

As someone who saw Jay as both AIs I am not terrified to loose to scum Jay but I would be ashamed to ML again town Jay

The GOC is a bit of a different beast I think, because with two mafia teams nobody needs to make fake reads. It was easily my most active scum game though.

I tend to refer to the Season 6 Scrimmage as the most accurate prototype of how I usually play as a mafioso.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:36 pm**

Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:31 pm
Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:28 pm My chart sucked in that the orange blocks appear wrong, but the yellow pile might still be salvageable. Either way it's definitely not my best chart. Anyway I don't much care about it anymore and am reassessing interactions from the start.
Why change so much now that spf flipped but so so hesitant to change before that?

You made me cry mr jjj
Same question at Nanook

I don’t think I have changed that much

I considered putting spf into the top end of the POE briefly then took her back out when she claimed, that’s pretty much the only thing her claim changed I think

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:36 pm**

It clarified worlds a bit I guess, but it didn’t really change much I don’t think

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:38 pm**

Like before spf claimed I was considering which two of [spf/dk/frogu] should be in my POE, her claim made that decision easy

I wouldn’t say that really changed much, it just clarified things

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:39 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:33 pm
Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:28 pm My chart sucked in that the orange blocks appear wrong, but the yellow pile might still be salvageable. Either way it's definitely not my best chart. Anyway I don't much care about it anymore and am reassessing interactions from the start.
Why change so much now that spf flipped but so so hesitant to change before that?

You made me cry mr jjj
I mean, with the power role claims the change is necessitated, and it wasn't before that. It's not about my reads as much as it's about how much room I have in the POE pool. There's a good chance I'll vote for someone today that I thought looked town most of the game.

But the only thing that changed for you with spf’s reveal is spf right? You already trusted Tutuu and my roleclaim gave you Michelle and me. Why would spf’s flip sway so much more than mine when mine gave more information?

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:41 pm**

Do Alison and Grogu fit together as mafia teammates?

From Alison about Grogu

Spoiler: show

Grogu is only relevant to this post by association, but here it is for posterity.

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It's a soft reason to give Grogu town credit. I don't really object to that, but from a compatibility perspective it is acknowledged.

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Alison's had a brief exchange with Mac about Grogu, anticipating his town read. She then clarified her perspective of Grogu by way of Mac's read, suggesting that while Grogu seemed disconnected that wasn't enough on its own power to have a confident read. I agree with Alison on all of that. I don't think the clarification means they cannot be teammates. Perhaps Alison's laughy bit with Mac is less overtly teammate behavior. It's difficult to draw a lot from this though.

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The middle post is extracted from a larger reads list. The orange-highlighted part is actually a classic salad with the parenthetical serving as the "maybe".

The emerging theme of Grogu is choppable but not my preference is again fine logically, but also suitable for teammates.

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This is Day 2 now. Grogu's placement on the reads list doesn't mean much to me either way. It's cool that he's a suspect, but he's stuck beside two civilians.

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Might be notable that Grogu was one of the names Alison opted to include in this question. That's a bit of a reach.

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Grogu continually serves as a sort of external chop option as the "+1" or "X" or "whatever".

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Fair

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This became a somewhat popular perspective a couple times when Grogu made his appearances and seemed fine. As I've often said here already, I take no issue with the read -- but it does not dissociate the two.

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Grogu gets a few more mentions as a plausible suspect by association and as being more suspicious than popular tinfoil celebrities JJJ and Nanook. Okay, doesn't speak to me either way.

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Grogu remains just outside the danger zone.

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Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:07 am Grogu has moved in my reads. I'm still conflicted because his actual pushes are kinda opportunistic on a base level but I don't have a hard time believing he would do this as town and he comes off as honest and transparent in his posting.

I'm seeing more tinfoil towards the "middle" slots like me/SPF/JJJ/nook. I currently have townreads on all of these players and no particular inclination to tinfoil any of them.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:46 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:40 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:38 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:33 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:29 am I'm having mixed feelings about this SPF push on Koba and not sure whether to ding her for trying to widen the POE or give her points for townie paranoia.
if i was interested in widening the poe then i would be pushing on nanook, or jagged, or even you - not on a player that's been consensus "spewed clear" town from the very beginning of the game. if i was interested in getting people paranoid about koba, it would also be a lot more subtle
Okay. GTH, is the game easy or hard?
it's easy with a strong likelihood of exactly one deep wolf

i think outing that thought could be perceived as instilling paranoia, but that's where i'm at
This is actually where I'm at too lol

It's like Ellie and Made and then the elusive +1 is hard. It's why I've been looking for signs of powerwolfing, because in that world the +1 has to leverage their clout to help their team somehow, and I think this will be the marker that helps us find them. From that perspective, koba/doom/grogu are less likely to fit this bill, since they haven't been making any concerted effort to push a scum agenda. So maybe the +1 isn't DOOM after all and you just fooled me with the chill vibe, or JJJ faked a mind meld, or something.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:43 pm Grogu lowkey trending down over the past couple of pages. I think the clueless baby yoda schtick is being pushed a little too OTT in a forced way. I haven't seen anything that makes me worried about nook or JJJ, to be honest, and I'm not sure why such a big deal was made over their interaction. JJJ sets the town bar high and expresses that someone hasn't cleared it; nanook is flippant and annoyed that he's being scumread when he feels he shouldn't be. This is classic stuff and completely ordinary for both of them.

These are a few more loosely related posts in which Alison explores the matter of Grogu. The theme continues: they are inoffensive, but not incompatible.

Spoiler: show

Generic prod

From Grogu about Alison

Spoiler: show

Conclusion

I would say that they fit together. There isn't a smoking gun that screams "yes, they're teammates". The closest thing might be Alison's salad. But I cannot dissociate the two with any degree of confidence.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:41 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:35 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:31 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:31 am Good mornin sunshines whats cookin
Someone tried to shoot you probably
Dude i just woke up and i dreamt someone was trying to mug me and stab me and i ran away. Is that just fate? Im telling u man my dreams are prophetic

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:20 pm I JUST DREAMT ABOUT TED

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:42 pm**

made and michelle and even spf escaping the poe must have been a huge emotional blow for the wolves. this was such a turnaround

i believe that could be related to the way grogu and DOOM both felt really irked and annoyed towards me without being provoked to do so from my point of view

both of them have been scumread in the past days and have shown no such reactions before

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:43 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:41 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:35 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:31 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:31 am Good mornin sunshines whats cookin
Someone tried to shoot you probably
Dude i just woke up and i dreamt someone was trying to mug me and stab me and i ran away. Is that just fate? Im telling u man my dreams are prophetic

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:20 pm I JUST DREAMT ABOUT TED

dreaming is nai; i can link u games where ive talked about my dreams as town

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:43 pm**

Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:39 pm But the only thing that changed for you with spf’s reveal is spf right? You already trusted Tutuu and my roleclaim gave you Michelle and me. Why would spf’s flip sway so much more than mine when mine gave more information?

I added tutuu to my POE, though that is still something I am working through. I don't think SPF's claim swayed me more than yours did; probably less actually. Your claim cleared [theoretically] two people and hers cleared one. They were all at least near-POE, and with them clear I remove them and replace them with people who seemed town. That's just how POE works.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:43 pm**

Also, if assume Tutuu and Nutella are town, we also assume mafia hasn’t use their vig shot yet

Does that seem likely?
Based on how far off based we were, that seems consistent to me. No need to use it to you need to silence someone

Cool thing tho is if this is true, we can feel more confident in Tutuu and Nutella reads when two kill happen in one night.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:43 pm**

I don't remember any dream from Tutuu in any game, but maybe my memory is tricky, are you telling stories about dreams often @tutuu ?

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:45 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:42 pm made and michelle and even spf escaping the poe must have been a huge emotional blow for the wolves. this was such a turnaround

i believe that could be related to the way grogu and DOOM both felt really irked and annoyed towards me without being provoked to do so from my point of view

both of them have been scumread in the past days and have shown no such reactions before

I've had the same feeling. Town has every reason to be stoked and rejuvenated today.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:48 pm**

Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:43 pm Also, if assume Tutuu and Nutella are town, we also assume mafia hasn’t use their vig shot yet

Does that seem likely?
Based on how far off based we were, that seems consistent to me. No need to use it to you need to silence someone

Cool thing tho is if this is true, we can feel more confident in Tutuu and Nutella reads when two kill happen in one night.

assuming both me and nutella are town, its possible they used one of their extra kp night 1 on nutella. that or they holstered

depending on how today's yeet go, its also possible that, spf most likely dies but she could block one of the two kps night 3 if mafia decide to split them and/or the vig is a likely jk target. and then we wouldnt know cuz spf would die and its probably not wise of her to claim who's shes jailkeeping beforehand

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:50 pm**

Spf should just rand between saving Michelle and made imo. Highest chance to get a save off successfully.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:50 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:43 pm I don't remember any dream from Tutuu in any game, but maybe my memory is tricky, are you telling stories about dreams often @tutuu ?

yes, i talk about them all the time, both in mafia and outside mafia too

on a scale of 1 to 10 how important is this for you?

if its 7 or above then i will try to remember a town game where i talked about a dream and look over my iso and link you the post

i-

i dont think that talking about your dreams is a scumtell though michelle :P

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:50 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:45 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:42 pm made and michelle and even spf escaping the poe must have been a huge emotional blow for the wolves. this was such a turnaround

i believe that could be related to the way grogu and DOOM both felt really irked and annoyed towards me without being provoked to do so from my point of view

both of them have been scumread in the past days and have shown no such reactions before
I've had the same feeling. Town has every reason to be stoked and rejuvenated today.

To bounce off of that, today had three turns:
Mafia finding out there’s a jail keeper and not a sick child when nobody died

Town and mafia finding out I was cop and that Michelle was green checked

Town and mafia finding out about SPF and Tutuu

Anyone’s particular reaction between these notes feel awkward?

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:51 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:50 pm Spf should just rand between saving Michelle and made imo. Highest chance to get a save off successfully.

lol what?

mafia are always attempting to hit spf. always

spf should try to block the mafia killer and save her ass

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:51 pm**

Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:43 pm Also, if assume Tutuu and Nutella are town, we also assume mafia hasn’t use their vig shot yet

Does that seem likely?
Based on how far off based we were, that seems consistent to me. No need to use it to you need to silence someone

Cool thing tho is if this is true, we can feel more confident in Tutuu and Nutella reads when two kill happen in one night.

IF Nutella is villager she being JKed in N1 she could be the mafia vig target or the factional target
IF she is mafia she can be the vig or the factional killer
About Tutuu is working in the same way.

I think that having the mafia vig shot they knew the setup and they were aware that they may have a hard life when the 2 town PRs will claim or/and share results, so I can bet they used the vig until now, if not in N1, then in N2. Especially after Ellie's flip it would be obvious that the Poe is wrong and the villagers will be more motivated to solve

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:53 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:50 pm Spf should just rand between saving Michelle and made imo. Highest chance to get a save off successfully.

I think SPF probably dies if she does that. Why not [try to] stop the killer?

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:53 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:51 pm
Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:43 pm Also, if assume Tutuu and Nutella are town, we also assume mafia hasn’t use their vig shot yet

Does that seem likely?
Based on how far off based we were, that seems consistent to me. No need to use it to you need to silence someone

Cool thing tho is if this is true, we can feel more confident in Tutuu and Nutella reads when two kill happen in one night.
IF Nutella is villager she being JKed in N1 she could be the mafia vig target or the factional target
IF she is mafia she can be the vig or the factional killer
About Tutuu is working in the same way.

I think that having the mafia vig shot they knew the setup and they were aware that they may have a hard life when the 2 town PRs will claim or/and share results, so I can bet they used the vig until now, if not in N1, then in N2. Especially after Ellie's flip it would be obvious that the Poe is wrong and the villagers will be more motivated to solve

But if they used their vig n2 Tutuu is mafia. I don’t think we get around that, right?

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:54 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:50 pm Spf should just rand between saving Michelle and made imo. Highest chance to get a save off successfully.

no, she have to target mafia, I trust her with this

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:54 pm**

Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:45 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:42 pm made and michelle and even spf escaping the poe must have been a huge emotional blow for the wolves. this was such a turnaround

i believe that could be related to the way grogu and DOOM both felt really irked and annoyed towards me without being provoked to do so from my point of view

both of them have been scumread in the past days and have shown no such reactions before
I've had the same feeling. Town has every reason to be stoked and rejuvenated today.
To bounce off of that, today had three turns:
Mafia finding out there’s a jail keeper and not a sick child when nobody died

Town and mafia finding out I was cop and that Michelle was green checked

Town and mafia finding out about SPF and Tutuu

Anyone’s particular reaction between these notes feel awkward?

i find grogu and doom's behaviors weird, alison and dkkoba have had no reactions

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:55 pm**

Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:50 pm To bounce off of that, today had three turns:
Mafia finding out there’s a jail keeper and not a sick child when nobody died

Town and mafia finding out I was cop and that Michelle was green checked

Town and mafia finding out about SPF and Tutuu

Anyone’s particular reaction between these notes feel awkward?

I'm trying not to dig my heels to deep into any theory like this while I work on a detached assessment of the game. With a gun to my head though I think Omega's reception of events has been the most awkward. Alison's has been pretty subdued as well.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:55 pm**

Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:53 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:51 pm
Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:43 pm Also, if assume Tutuu and Nutella are town, we also assume mafia hasn’t use their vig shot yet

Does that seem likely?
Based on how far off based we were, that seems consistent to me. No need to use it to you need to silence someone

Cool thing tho is if this is true, we can feel more confident in Tutuu and Nutella reads when two kill happen in one night.
IF Nutella is villager she being JKed in N1 she could be the mafia vig target or the factional target
IF she is mafia she can be the vig or the factional killer
About Tutuu is working in the same way.

I think that having the mafia vig shot they knew the setup and they were aware that they may have a hard life when the 2 town PRs will claim or/and share results, so I can bet they used the vig until now, if not in N1, then in N2. Especially after Ellie's flip it would be obvious that the Poe is wrong and the villagers will be more motivated to solve
But if they used their vig n2 Tutuu is mafia. I don’t think we get around that, right?

this is a possibility, less probable just because tutuu has such a villagery tone, but we have to keep it in mind

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:57 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:55 pm
Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:50 pm To bounce off of that, today had three turns:
Mafia finding out there’s a jail keeper and not a sick child when nobody died

Town and mafia finding out I was cop and that Michelle was green checked

Town and mafia finding out about SPF and Tutuu

Anyone’s particular reaction between these notes feel awkward?
I'm trying not to dig my heels to deep into any theory like this while I work on a detached assessment of the game. With a gun to my head though I think Omega's reception of events has been the most awkward. Alison's has been pretty subdued as well.

Agreed, Alison is very awkward here.

Reasons I’m voting Alison rn

1. Bad Day on vote record
2. Awkward around the PR reveals

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:58 pm**

im curious as to hear why would i, as mafia, risk outing myself by doing both the mafia factional kill and the vig on the same night when i know for sure there's a town jailkeeper alive and kicking (would i know for sure? dont remember the matrix off top of my head) and when im consensus top townread by the thread and extremely likely jk target, not even counting my "pr softs" (which was just me being a clown by apparently some people took it seriously)

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:01 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:58 pm im curious as to hear why would i, as mafia, risk outing myself by doing both the mafia factional kill and the vig on the same night when i know for sure there's a town jailkeeper alive and kicking (would i know for sure? dont remember the matrix off top of my head) and when im consensus top townread by the thread and extremely likely jk target, not even counting my "pr softs" (which was just me being a clown by apparently some people took it seriously)

Mafia would know it was between jail keeper or inno child. Point stands. Mafia makes bad plays, but this would be a very bad play

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:02 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:58 pm im curious as to hear why would i, as mafia, risk outing myself by doing both the mafia factional kill and the vig on the same night when i know for sure there's a town jailkeeper alive and kicking (would i know for sure? dont remember the matrix off top of my head) and when im consensus top townread by the thread and extremely likely jk target, not even counting my "pr softs" (which was just me being a clown by apparently some people took it seriously)

i wouldnt know for sure. 50/50 between two setups. but in the other setup it dosent even matter. so if im mafia and im deciding if i wanna carry both kills or split it, might as well assume in the jk setup

i dont feel comfortable thinking so hard about what i would do as mafia. being town is stressful as it is. pls stop adding the stress of thinking how id play as mafia on top

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:02 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:51 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:50 pm Spf should just rand between saving Michelle and made imo. Highest chance to get a save off successfully.
lol what?

mafia are always attempting to hit spf. always

spf should try to block the mafia killer and save her ass

There’s probably two kills

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:02 pm**

Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:01 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:58 pm im curious as to hear why would i, as mafia, risk outing myself by doing both the mafia factional kill and the vig on the same night when i know for sure there's a town jailkeeper alive and kicking (would i know for sure? dont remember the matrix off top of my head) and when im consensus top townread by the thread and extremely likely jk target, not even counting my "pr softs" (which was just me being a clown by apparently some people took it seriously)
Mafia would know it was between jail keeper or inno child. Point stands. Mafia makes bad plays, but this would be a very bad play

yea so stop calling me a bad player by scumreading me thanx

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:03 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:02 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:51 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:50 pm Spf should just rand between saving Michelle and made imo. Highest chance to get a save off successfully.
lol what?

mafia are always attempting to hit spf. always

spf should try to block the mafia killer and save her ass
There’s probably two kills

ya think? alright thats interesting

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:03 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:53 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:50 pm Spf should just rand between saving Michelle and made imo. Highest chance to get a save off successfully.
I think SPF probably dies if she does that. Why not [try to] stop the killer?

Same answer as to tutu, there’s probably two kills.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:04 pm**

spf should still aim to stop the killer, that can indirectly save michelle or maid if there are 2 kills

even if it was mod confirmed that mafia for sure will have 2 kills tonight i would argue that spf trying to stop the killer is the highest ev play

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:05 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:03 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:02 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:51 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:50 pm Spf should just rand between saving Michelle and made imo. Highest chance to get a save off successfully.
lol what?

mafia are always attempting to hit spf. always

spf should try to block the mafia killer and save her ass
There’s probably two kills
ya think? alright thats interesting

Yeah very likely imo, much more likely there’s two kills than that they wasted a shot

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:05 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:02 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:58 pm im curious as to hear why would i, as mafia, risk outing myself by doing both the mafia factional kill and the vig on the same night when i know for sure there's a town jailkeeper alive and kicking (would i know for sure? dont remember the matrix off top of my head) and when im consensus top townread by the thread and extremely likely jk target, not even counting my "pr softs" (which was just me being a clown by apparently some people took it seriously)
i wouldnt know for sure. 50/50 between two setups. but in the other setup it dosent even matter. so if im mafia and im deciding if i wanna carry both kills or split it, might as well assume in the jk setup

i dont feel comfortable thinking so hard about what i would do as mafia. being town is stressful as it is. pls stop adding the stress of thinking how id play as mafia on top

what is more stressful for you, being town or mafia?

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:05 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:04 pm spf should still aim to stop the killer, that can indirectly save michelle or maid if there are 2 kills

even if it was mod confirmed that mafia for sure will have 2 kills tonight i would argue that spf trying to stop the killer is the highest ev play

You would be wrong

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:06 pm**

actually guessing if mafia used or not the vig shot is not what we have to do now

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:07 pm**

Alison and Omega may legitimately be a bad fit together. More later, but here have a hype post while I work.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:08 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:05 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:02 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:58 pm im curious as to hear why would i, as mafia, risk outing myself by doing both the mafia factional kill and the vig on the same night when i know for sure there's a town jailkeeper alive and kicking (would i know for sure? dont remember the matrix off top of my head) and when im consensus top townread by the thread and extremely likely jk target, not even counting my "pr softs" (which was just me being a clown by apparently some people took it seriously)
i wouldnt know for sure. 50/50 between two setups. but in the other setup it dosent even matter. so if im mafia and im deciding if i wanna carry both kills or split it, might as well assume in the jk setup

i dont feel comfortable thinking so hard about what i would do as mafia. being town is stressful as it is. pls stop adding the stress of thinking how id play as mafia on top
what is more stressful for you, being town or mafia?

i have had 36 town games or so, then i randed that scum game i linked u, now this is my what 6th 7th 8th town rand in a row? lost track

i cant rly answer since i dont really get a fair amount of distribution of rands

the mafia game was fun cuz it was a breath of fresh air and i didnt find it stressful

if i had an equal distribution i would probably find being mafia more stressful

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:11 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:07 pm Alison and Omega may legitimately be a bad fit together. More later, but here have a hype post while I work.

ill be interested to hear

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:17 pm**

sort by postcount, become mafia god

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:19 pm**

tutuu seems town right now, and I may move her out of the POE for Esooa

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:19 pm**

Logic for why the mafia probably still have their vig shot is

If tutu is town:

You don’t use a vig shot on nutella N1, have it be blocked, then shoot tutu the next night, if they did this it’s laughably bad, thus they still have their vig shot

If tutu is mafia:

Tutu carries both KP? Lol no. Thus they still have their vig shot

So as you can see regardless of tutu’s alignment it’s very likely that mafia still have their vig shot

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:19 pm**

shocked jjj is 3rd top poster. i always thought that he's sort of out there, lurking in the shadows. you sneaky boi jayjay

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:21 pm**

If this game is literally just 4/6 of the lowest posters (with the other two being dead) that would be wild

Also shoutout to Mac still being top six with one day played

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:21 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:19 pm shocked jjj is 3rd top poster. i always thought that he's sort of out there, lurking in the shadows. you sneaky boi jayjay

I think we're often not online at the same time. It's okay if I'm hard to notice. *patpat*

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