The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:05 pm**

Why would the Rogue go out of their way to interfere in a mafia member's night action or protect a town member? That doesn't make sense to me. They need to scumside here because if they want to have any hope of defeating the town they need the mafia KP around to shoot into the towncore. One possibility is that the Rogue can win with town somehow, but I will discount this possibility since it is unlikely, and if it is true then we don't have to play around it because we'll win by default. The other possibility I can think of is that the Rogue charges some kind of power by interfering with night actions, and they targeted JPIC since he was the most likely person to do a night action yesterday (he's almost certainly mafia, and there's no real downside to sending him out to carry the kill or do nefarious deeds since he's expendable at that point).

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:07 pm**

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:05 pm if there were a role block, wouldnt jpic just not have visited anyone?

Good point. Then it's more likely that some kind of rolestop was applied to tutuu to protect her from having powers used on her. Which doesn't seem to fit with my "Rogue is charging up a power by negating night actions" theory, since I think Alison, Mac and Hally are all better hits for that.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:11 pm**

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:05 pm if there were a role block, wouldnt jpic just not have visited anyone?

That would make the most sense. So did Wilgy lie? He at first said JPIC didn't visit anyone.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:12 pm**

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention] could you kindly clarify why you initially said that JPIC did not visit anyone?

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:12 pm**

Also we still have the dangling mystery of why we were allowed to talk N2 while JPIC was alive, which seems to fit none of the scenarios.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:15 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:12 pm @DrWilgy could you kindly clarify why you initially said that JPIC did not visit anyone?

Host originally said they didn't visit anyone, then sent me a correction shortly after saying that JPIC did visit Tutuu.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:20 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:12 pm Also we still have the dangling mystery of why we were allowed to talk N2 while JPIC was alive, which seems to fit none of the scenarios.

I dunno, maybe the hypothetical Rogue disruption power cancelled it out somehow? But Mac was postcapped N1, so clearly it isn't as simple as it seems.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:21 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:08 pm Samu you can say who you targeted but not what happened

I'm 99% sure you can say that but you can ask $loon just to make sure

I asked about 16 examples of what can i say and what can not.

This is what i can post.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:23 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:15 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:12 pm @DrWilgy could you kindly clarify why you initially said that JPIC did not visit anyone?
Host originally said they didn't visit anyone, then sent me a correction shortly after saying that JPIC did visit Tutuu.

Hm.

What if this is some kind of night action falsification, sprityo style? JPIC doesn't visit anyone, but someone (the Rogue? A mafia member?) either reads that Wilgy is a tracker, or wants to frame him because they see he's in a few people's POEs. So they target him, and the host sends a misleading message to him. The original message could be simple mod error, or more likely, the night action falsification effect causes Sloonei to send two messages, with the fake one later.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:24 pm**

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:21 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:08 pm Samu you can say who you targeted but not what happened

I'm 99% sure you can say that but you can ask $loon just to make sure
I asked about 16 examples of what can i say and what can not.

This is what i can post.

I think this is real and he really did grill Sloonei about what he's allowed to say. So then the question becomes if mafia members/Rogues would have a "no roleclaiming" tag on their cards for authenticity. If we think only townies have claim restrictions, then Samu is town.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:24 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:53 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:49 pm how did we prove this?
dizzy tracked ted to nanook n1
tim visited ted n1
drwilgy was randomly assigned to "watch" ted n1 and claims only 1 person visited him

yeah so several other people could also be lying here

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:25 pm**

as well as like misdirect or whatever

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:25 pm**

like cmon why do any of those people make those up as fake claims

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:25 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:24 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:53 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:49 pm how did we prove this?
dizzy tracked ted to nanook n1
tim visited ted n1
drwilgy was randomly assigned to "watch" ted n1 and claims only 1 person visited him
yeah so several other people could also be lying here

like who?

The context of Dizzy's claim makes it clear he's telling the truth.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:25 pm**

except tim but tim's helpful

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:26 pm**

When did Wilgy claim?

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:26 pm**

Before or after Dizzy/

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:26 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:45 pm If the Rogue has a role soup kill, we're all dying tonight anyway, so... who cares, let's just go in.

Alison - Cop (N1 TSP green, N2 nanook green)

TSP - X Shot Doctor, 1-Shot Vig (N2 shot JPIC)

Wilgy - Conditional Tracker/Random "Watcher" (N1 one person visited ted, N2 JPIC visited tutuu)

dyachei - Tracker (N1 ?, N2 ted visited nanook) [@dyachei can you confirm your N1 result?]

Dizzy - Conditional Tracker (N1 ted visited Tim, N2 didn't meet the conditions) [@Dyslexicon can you clarify why you didn't vote D2 to get your track?]

juliets - X Shot Non-Civillian, Non-Lethal Rolestopper (N1 Alison, N2 holster)

Herm - "Song Cop" (N1 Amnesiac no result, N2 Kid A no result) [@Herm can you clarify for me how you knew the Mafia Role Cop was in the album In Rainbows?]

Long Con - 3 Shot Mutual Voteblocker

MacDougal - ??? (Roleclaiming not allowed, but role "isn't strong")

Master Radishes - Universal Backup (N1 protected Alison with nutella's power, N2 checked nanook for vote manipulation with sprityo's power)

nanook - Conditional Doublevoter (N1 visited Mac to fulfil his condition) [@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I feel like you've answered this before and I just forgot the answer so sorry for asking, but where did you go N2?]

Oddmerta - ??? (Roleclaiming not allowed, but isn't a vigilante)

Poison Chan - Rolecard Investigative (not sure of the specifics, but gets given a role card with alignment and song that exists in the game every night, but isn't told who the role card belongs to)

Samusamu - Song Voyeur, can only infodump if you hit no result (N1 no result on Poison Chan, N2 has a result and isn't allowed to infodump it) [@Samusamu do you only get the song name, or do you get other pieces of information about the song like the lyrics? You can tell me if you aren't allowed to answer this.]

SPF

tedxtr - Vote Manipulation Nullifier (N1 Tim, N2 nanook, corroborated by trackers, Dizzy N1 and dyachei N2)

Timsup2nothin - Anti-Snowball Scaling PR (N1 roleblocked tedxtr, N2 gets a doublevote)

tutuu - Jailkeeper/Rolestopper (N1 Alison, N2 Hally)

I have additional info depending of the song, what can i say here at the moment is the same that i get from slooney. Dunno if there are another clauses that i cant say in the Future, slooney hasn't specified anything to me about that question, he's a tough guy to get information from.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:27 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:25 pm as well as like misdirect or whatever

A misdirector here would have to be a scum role. You think scum misdirected Tim of all people N1? Wilgy's Watcher effect can't be misdirected, it's personally randed by the host. Dizzy, similarly, is someone who would not be high on the misdirection list for any scum role, especially since there's an outed cop hanging around.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:28 pm**

So you're telling me that Wilgy came in here with the worst claim in history, /twice/, and we're supposed to chop him for that?

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:29 pm**

Okay, Samu getting extra info about the songs he gets info on matches up with him saying his night action involved the lemon sucking thing, since that's a piece of info embedded in Hally's rolecard and not the name of Hally's song by itself.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:29 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:52 pm

Was moving up to change my vote to Tim and saw this. What the fuck? @Samusamu do you know anything about this??

Maybe i have a hidden role know as hacker?

Dunno

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:29 pm**

I mean maybe

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:29 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:28 pm So you're telling me that Wilgy came in here with the worst claim in history, /twice/, and we're supposed to chop him for that?

Actually we're executing Tim.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:29 pm**

the names voting thing is a common syndi glitch that happens for reasons

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:31 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:54 pm Please change your votes to Tim, EoD is in a few hours and we have compelling reason to think that Tim lied about his role. We also know there's one mafia in Wilgy/Tim. So Occam's Razor is that Tim is just mafia.

Thanks for the update, Dizzy. I'll update the list accordingly.

Wait, the poll say that the eod is sep 8, today is 6.

What happen?

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:31 pm**

I don't think we'll be solving the mysteries that have popped up by navel-gazing and throwing speculation around. Let's continue executing the POE and then perhaps things will be clearer once we kill some scum and see their role cards.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:32 pm**

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:31 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:54 pm Please change your votes to Tim, EoD is in a few hours and we have compelling reason to think that Tim lied about his role. We also know there's one mafia in Wilgy/Tim. So Occam's Razor is that Tim is just mafia.

Thanks for the update, Dizzy. I'll update the list accordingly.
Wait, the poll say that the eod is sep 8, today is 6.

What happen?

I misread the time, don't worry about it.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:32 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:57 pm Oh shit, I misread the time. My bad.

Uff. You get paranoid about skkiping too much info.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:33 pm**

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:32 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:57 pm Oh shit, I misread the time. My bad.
Uff. You get paranoid about skkiping too much info.

Get me*

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:33 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:12 pm @DrWilgy could you kindly clarify why you initially said that JPIC did not visit anyone?

he implied it was a host error

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:48 pm**

hi, i'm catching up w/what i missed now! could i get a basic summary of why we know there's a maf in tim/wilgly?

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:08 pm**

Alison wrote:Herm - "Song Cop" (N1 Amnesiac no result, N2 Kid A no result) [@Herm can you clarify for me how you knew the Mafia Role Cop was in the album In Rainbows?]

I bet this was already answered at some point by someone else, but I feel I might as well answer it since it was in my notifications.

Poison Chan said that Nude was the Role Cop in her search, and that song is part of the In Rainbows Album.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:09 pm**

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:56 pm @Herm vote for tim and check King of Limbs tonight

Sure thing.

I assume I can trust you lol.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:10 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:03 pm Sorry, so..If I am roleblocked, I should NOT receive a message of me being roleblocked given my role. Nobody is told they are roleblocked lmao.

The only people knowing they're roleblocked or their action was tempered with are obviously investigatives.

I do believe that's incorrect

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:11 pm**

I would rather vote for DrWilgy though, but not sure if I missed someone.

Tim seems to imply I can clear him sorta? Unless I read that completely wrong.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:12 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:48 pm hi, i'm catching up w/what i missed now! could i get a basic summary of why we know there's a maf in tim/wilgly?

Wilgy says that only one person visited Ted.
Tim said he visited Ted.

We know that Dizzy visited Ted.

So either Wilgy or Tim is lying.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:12 pm**

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:31 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:54 pm Please change your votes to Tim, EoD is in a few hours and we have compelling reason to think that Tim lied about his role. We also know there's one mafia in Wilgy/Tim. So Occam's Razor is that Tim is just mafia.

Thanks for the update, Dizzy. I'll update the list accordingly.
Wait, the poll say that the eod is sep 8, today is 6.

What happen?

Sloonei is busy maybe?

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:13 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:12 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:48 pm hi, i'm catching up w/what i missed now! could i get a basic summary of why we know there's a maf in tim/wilgly?
Wilgy says that only one person visited Ted.
Tim said he visited Ted.

We know that Dizzy visited Ted.

So either Wilgy or Tim is lying.

So Wilgy has a Watcher action?

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:21 pm**

Herm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:12 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:48 pm hi, i'm catching up w/what i missed now! could i get a basic summary of why we know there's a maf in tim/wilgly?
Wilgy says that only one person visited Ted.
Tim said he visited Ted.

We know that Dizzy visited Ted.

So either Wilgy or Tim is lying.
So Wilgy has a Watcher action?

Yes.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:32 pm**

All this arguing over pelts is funny when the truth is that Alison and I just keep bussing teammates for cred.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:32 pm**

Gonna vote Him

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:33 pm**

Him being Tim. My mafia partner.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:39 pm**

I don't get why Samu is allowed to claim when he gets no result. I'm not.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:48 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:12 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:48 pm hi, i'm catching up w/what i missed now! could i get a basic summary of why we know there's a maf in tim/wilgly?
Wilgy says that only one person visited Ted.
Tim said he visited Ted.

We know that Dizzy visited Ted.

So either Wilgy or Tim is lying.

cool thanks

[VOTE: tim] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:48 pm**

I don't believe that tim claims a worthless action on ted without having at least visited ted. he can claim a worthless action on anyone

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:49 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:39 am @staypositivefriend re: your question last night here was my thought process on holstering.

I have x number of shots. I decided to use one on N1 because I thought I might get chopped early and needed to use my ability. I thought Mac was most likely to be fingered for the kill and therefore most likely to be doctored which would likely save him from other abilities so I chose Alison. (As it turned out I should have chosen Mac).

On N2 I saw things a little differently. It didn't seem likely that I would be yeeted because I had some strong town reads and it didn't look likely that I would be NK'd soon because there were so many galaxy brains the mafia would be after, including a galaxy brain with a power role that had broken the game open. I felt like I would more likely be one of the middle tier people that made it further into the game. And I also felt like later in the game I'd have a much better idea where to use my role, so I holstered.

As it turns out I'm glad I holstered because now I have much more knowledge about who to protect. I will probably not make it to mid game but meanwhile can play a fairly important role instead of playing a guessing game with where to use my power.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

thanks for the explanation, i vibe with your thought process

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:50 pm SPF - ??? [@staypositivefriend did you make a claim? You're locktown so you don't have to if you don't want to, but if you did let me know and I'll record it.]

nope, im not allowed to claim

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:50 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:36 pm early townreads are tutuu, alison, and oddmerta

early scumreads are nutella, tim, and spirit

not to flex but

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:54 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:10 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:03 pm Sorry, so..If I am roleblocked, I should NOT receive a message of me being roleblocked given my role. Nobody is told they are roleblocked lmao.

The only people knowing they're roleblocked or their action was tempered with are obviously investigatives.
I do believe that's incorrect

Well are you gonna explain it or

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:57 pm**

If that was a troll post I’m gonna be slightly pissed for not seeing through it

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