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[Jackofhearts2005]

And Vulgard looks okay on reread too, putting Falcon below Nacho but above Tim.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I hate it.

Suggests someone somewhere has pocketed me because there’s 0-1 wolves in Radishes/Vulgard.

Kyle and Scotty most undeserving townreads fmpov.

I hate this game. :angrydog:

[Scotty]

Fucking probably.

I mostly like what Radishes was doing yesterday upon reread.

His main poe was Falcon/Tim/Nacho/Marmot but he mostly spends time on the first two and wasn’t around for eod.

Yep, that much is true. It’s just that phrasing at the end there where he said he likes the falcon/Tim wagons, BUT if he had a choice he would go with Tim first. That out is what I’m hung up on.

Not being around at EOD is pretty NAI, but it doesn’t help me not view this as a cop out

[Scotty]

I hate it.

Suggests someone somewhere has pocketed me because there’s 0-1 wolves in Radishes/Vulgard.

Kyle and Scotty most undeserving townreads fmpov.

I hate this game. :angrydog:

I often wonder why everyone keeps townreading me, since my votes and apparently most reads have been god awful

[DaisyCloud]

I'm pretty decent at reading vulgard I think, I'll take a look after I get back from my appointment at the doctor which I scheduled after I took an arrow to the knee

If you people just set aside this "well, X is a Y reader, and Y reads B and C, and Z is an X reader, but is always wrong on A so that's useful too" approach to the game and just started looking at "this here, this is an ACTION, not just a POST THAT SOUNDS GOOD, but an actual doing of something, and that something is blatantly towny...where this other action is blatantly wolfy so maybe we kill the person who did that, hey?" maybe I wouldn't want to shoot everyone in the fucking knee all the time.

tim! *big squishy hugs*

tell me what u want me to do. I can't help u with your nite stuff, at least I don't think. so talk to me! who is acting scumbly?

Well, the hug was good, you can do that again.

As to the game...I'm thinking there is one wolf in Radishes/Vulgard, with an outside chance of two. Lost Monkey is descended so deep into such a small POE that I am thinking they have to be something bad. Marmot and Kyle are next level maybes, and Scotty, LC, Jack round out the tinfoil level. So basically whatever you feel in Radishes/Vulgard/Marmot/Kyle/Lost Monkey.

I don't like radishes. and I messed up my multi-quotes on him. I'm not at home so I haven't had the time to go back and fund all the quotes and make a post again.

monkey because of his talks with MacDougall, makes me think monkey could be wolf. but idk. there is too few posts.

idk about Marmot and Vulgard.

I think Kyle is just town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like if Tim, Daisy, Marmot, Tony, Vulgard, Radishes, Scotty, Kyle, Gavil all not fuzzy?

It means there’s been an uncorrected host error.

[DaisyCloud]

@Timsup2nothin always time for hugs!

u seemed do frustrated. and I get it this game is frustrating.

[Timsup2nothin]

I mean kinda, yeah.

Vulgard’s iso is pretty freaking negative on Falcon.

Never votes there that I can tell. Ended up on Tim.

He did vote there. When I voted for Falcon I specifically said something like "fresh eyes and we've mostly sucked, so sure" and piled on as the second vote. I was extremely disgruntled when later the wagon got going and he said "oh I'm off to Tim then."

That's the thing...the two actual cases on Falcon I thought were both pretty good, and the people that made those cases both voted me instead with basically no reasons. Radishes never did vote Falcon. Vulgard was happy enough voting behind his but bailed when the wagon got real.

[Scotty]

Like if Tim, Daisy, Marmot, Tony, Vulgard, Radishes, Scotty, Kyle, Gavil all not fuzzy?

It means there’s been an uncorrected host error.

I don’t know what this means

[Jackofhearts2005]

Fucking probably.

I mostly like what Radishes was doing yesterday upon reread.

His main poe was Falcon/Tim/Nacho/Marmot but he mostly spends time on the first two and wasn’t around for eod.

Yep, that much is true. It’s just that phrasing at the end there where he said he likes the falcon/Tim wagons, BUT if he had a choice he would go with Tim first. That out is what I’m hung up on.

Not being around at EOD is pretty NAI, but it doesn’t help me not view this as a cop out

That’s the line Vulgard, Radishes and myself all had.

But I was around at EOD to switch to a wolf wagon so here I am all lock clear while everyone has to look at Vulgard and Radishes again.

[DaisyCloud]

I hate it.

Suggests someone somewhere has pocketed me because there’s 0-1 wolves in Radishes/Vulgard.

Kyle and Scotty most undeserving townreads fmpov.

I hate this game. :angrydog:

I often wonder why everyone keeps townreading me, since my votes and apparently most reads have been god awful

you are not 3rd party scum. this i am confident in. you could be wolf. im not there yet. blame the inactives and subs. I can't see who teammates could be if u r wolf.

[Master Radishes]

I don't like radishes.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I mean kinda, yeah.

Vulgard’s iso is pretty freaking negative on Falcon.

Never votes there that I can tell. Ended up on Tim.

He did vote there. When I voted for Falcon I specifically said something like "fresh eyes and we've mostly sucked, so sure" and piled on as the second vote. I was extremely disgruntled when later the wagon got going and he said "oh I'm off to Tim then."

That's the thing...the two actual cases on Falcon I thought were both pretty good, and the people that made those cases both voted me instead with basically no reasons. Radishes never did vote Falcon. Vulgard was happy enough voting behind his but bailed when the wagon got real.

Frustrating lol

[Scotty]

This is all I could find on Master Radish talking about falcon:

Spoiler: show

So uh. I'm feeling iffy on Falc.

He hasn't comment on me at all iirc and then came out with a strong town read on me due to meta. I prompted him to explain because I got pinged by how confident he was. (Keep in mind, btw, that he and I go back a couple years on CDC.)

It's in the way you ask questions and probe the game, your approach is def in your town meta. I mean, I guess you could be faking it, but I don't think that's the case here

That's...a pretty vague answer. It certainly doesn't make me think 'ah yeah, Falcon's got me nailed to a tee'. And that little 'I guess you could be faking but' line that's tagged on feels like it's meant to prevent anyone thinking it sounds TMI-level confident, rather than actually indicate real hesitation.

And, pre-empting my obvious follow-up, he reaches into my iso to illustrate his read.

So anyway, Tim is scum huh.

Nope, not this time. But you already knew that.

Eh. We'll see. You don't feel right. Your push on me feels inauthentic considering you've recently wolfed with me and saw how I operate.

This is towny MR

I think your reasons on Daisy are valid. Like the questions but no follow up and apathy towards wagons are definite scum behavioural tendencies.

But when she and Jack were bickering earlier it was one of the few events of the game I've been somewhat present for, and it felt quite t/t to me. I felt like the frustration and omgusing had a delicate hint of genuineness to them.

So I dunno. Despite the logic, I'm not convinced.

And this is towny MR

if you think that in this game we have drawn a scumteam with 0 slankers you will need to explain what makes that rational?

history speaks to the contrary. If anything the fact that we have chopped two slanky poos and missed makes the slanky poo pool more rich with floaters.

Not 0 slankers. Probably some.

But instead of firing blindly and lazily into the slanky pool let's do some actual work and find the active scum. And even if we miss we force said active scum to Do Stuff.

More towny MR

Those are...not great examples of 'the way you ask questions' or 'probing the game' tbh. They're very bland questions/reactions. They are at best mildly towny, but not 'strong meta read' towny. It kind of feels like he just picked out the first three 'questions/probings' that he spotted. Like how do these examples scream 'probing the game' to anyone? I'm not a great wolf, but I can fake posts like that no sweat.

As soon as I saw Falc's initial post I had one specific encounter in mind that I think is 'vintage slanky town MR' and Falc did not find it. (It was my initial response to Mac, fyi.) If he had given me that I might've given him a pass. Maybe.


tl;dr Falc's meta read is too strong based on his presented evidence of why he has it. It feels like a pocket attempt.

On the surface, it’s a pretty long winded post/case about why he finds falcon “iffy” but at the same time his final conclusions leave outs as to whether or not he actually reads him as bad.

The next and only time he talks about falcon? Towards eod

Tim/Falcon/Marmot/Nacho all good wagon choices. I'm sure at least one is wrong, but more than one is right.

IMO Tim and Falc are the more likely hits. I'm good with either but it'll be much less of a headache to get rid of Tim first tbh.

Wagon was already formed on falcon, AND he subtly proposes leaning on Tim. If Tim Is not aligned with mafia, then..sus.

MR and falcon could definitely be w/w

I mean kinda, yeah.

Vulgard’s iso is pretty freaking negative on Falcon.

Never votes there that I can tell. Ended up on Tim.

He did vote there. When I voted for Falcon I specifically said something like "fresh eyes and we've mostly sucked, so sure" and piled on as the second vote. I was extremely disgruntled when later the wagon got going and he said "oh I'm off to Tim then."

That's the thing...the two actual cases on Falcon I thought were both pretty good, and the people that made those cases both voted me instead with basically no reasons. Radishes never did vote Falcon. Vulgard was happy enough voting behind his but bailed when the wagon got real.

Tell me if that post in the spoiler above reads as a confident case on falcon?

Cause to me that reads as someone putting on the air of caring so as to logically justify their “suspicion”

[Timsup2nothin]

@Timsup2nothin always time for hugs!

u seemed do frustrated. and I get it this game is frustrating.

I confess...I played up the frustration looking for hugs...

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like if Tim, Daisy, Marmot, Tony, Vulgard, Radishes, Scotty, Kyle, Gavil all not fuzzy?

It means there’s been an uncorrected host error.

I don’t know what this means

I have too many townreads. I’ve been pocketed. Also, there’s a good chance anyone who has done nothing to make me townread them is just a wolf atp.

[DaisyCloud]

Radishes. What's your agenda today?

Do I need one?

Yes.

Tell me what your headspace is.

LC still sits low. Tim I'm putting aside and will re-consider after a night's sleep.

Jack remains likely town for me based on a loose baseline of meta. Kyle same based on Mac/Falc interactions from early D1. I'm probably going to need to listen to the thread and reconsider you; you've been super solvy but never out of a wolf's range imo, so I guess at this stage, since we've gotten a couple pelts, it's time to raise the bar.

Currently mulling over Scotty. His push on me felt the most opportunistic fmpov. But he also doesn't know me and my snarky style tends to attract SRs at junctures like this, so I'm not calling that definitive.

Gav gonna Gav. Daisy gonna Daisy. Dunno what to make of either of them.

Oh and Marmot. I've still...not even tried to read him.

...I don't remember who else without backspacing.

daisy doesn't daisy! I do things

[Master Radishes]

Fucking probably.

I mostly like what Radishes was doing yesterday upon reread.

His main poe was Falcon/Tim/Nacho/Marmot but he mostly spends time on the first two and wasn’t around for eod.

Yep, that much is true. It’s just that phrasing at the end there where he said he likes the falcon/Tim wagons, BUT if he had a choice he would go with Tim first. That out is what I’m hung up on.

Not being around at EOD is pretty NAI, but it doesn’t help me not view this as a cop out

You're hung up on me having an A/B pair of wolf reads and sticking with A whilst B ends up being a wolf?

[Scotty]

I hate it.

Suggests someone somewhere has pocketed me because there’s 0-1 wolves in Radishes/Vulgard.

Kyle and Scotty most undeserving townreads fmpov.

I hate this game. :angrydog:

I often wonder why everyone keeps townreading me, since my votes and apparently most reads have been god awful

you are not 3rd party scum. this i am confident in. you could be wolf. im not there yet. blame the inactives and subs. I can't see who teammates could be if u r wolf.

Thanks Daisy.

Also by the by, I always vote inactives D1, because if I’m town, we don’t get to the situation we’re currently in with LM and if I’m mafia it’s pretty NAI so it’s easy to hide. Obviously, people can replace in but...what if 1/3 of the town is basically inactives or at least barebonesing it? Can’t replace them all.

It’s a win win to get rid of them early

[DaisyCloud]

I don't like radishes.

u started it.

I like the vegetable not the player, only because I think the player is scum. if that makes it better.

[Scotty]

Fucking probably.

I mostly like what Radishes was doing yesterday upon reread.

His main poe was Falcon/Tim/Nacho/Marmot but he mostly spends time on the first two and wasn’t around for eod.

Yep, that much is true. It’s just that phrasing at the end there where he said he likes the falcon/Tim wagons, BUT if he had a choice he would go with Tim first. That out is what I’m hung up on.

Not being around at EOD is pretty NAI, but it doesn’t help me not view this as a cop out

You're hung up on me having an A/B pair of wolf reads and sticking with A whilst B ends up being a wolf?

Correct. It’s not like you campaigned foe falcon’s lynch

[DaisyCloud]

I hate it.

Suggests someone somewhere has pocketed me because there’s 0-1 wolves in Radishes/Vulgard.

Kyle and Scotty most undeserving townreads fmpov.

I hate this game. :angrydog:

I often wonder why everyone keeps townreading me, since my votes and apparently most reads have been god awful

you are not 3rd party scum. this i am confident in. you could be wolf. im not there yet. blame the inactives and subs. I can't see who teammates could be if u r wolf.

Thanks Daisy.

Also by the by, I always vote inactives D1, because if I’m town, we don’t get to the situation we’re currently in with LM and if I’m mafia it’s pretty NAI so it’s easy to hide. Obviously, people can replace in but...what if 1/3 of the town is basically inactives or at least barebonesing it? Can’t replace them all.

It’s a win win to get rid of them early

I have advocated to lynch out insctives early in game because of similar reasons regardless of my alignments. I stopped, I forget why.

[Timsup2nothin]

Cause to me that reads as someone putting on the air of caring so as to logically justify their “suspicion”

Consider this in the context of who posted the case.

think about that before you open the spoiler here...

Spoiler: show

you are talking about someone "putting on the air of caring"

Spoiler: show

you are also talking about Master Radishes...does he really seem the type to put on such an air?

Spoiler: show

that's why, yes, that was a VERY strong condemnation of Falcon, on the Radish scale

Spoiler: show

so why did he not follow it?

Spoiler: show

if you expected further spoon feeding

Spoiler: show

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too bad...get gud

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m gonna throw out some tinfoil.

In me and Radishes’ semi in champs last year, Shepherd purposely was somewhat out there as a townie. Then, in the finals, Shep lasted longer than he otherwise would have by just being out there and having nonconsensus reads and process, which caused everyone in his semi to gut read him town since “that’s just how Shep is as a townie.” This allowed Shep to get away with not hunting and not pushing his teammates for awhile.

Gavil is essentially being given a free pass for being fucking out there in his own little world. Now, I don’t have faked meta to fool me into thinking he’s town. I don’t have any meta at all.

For the people who do, is this just town Gavil? How sure are you?

[Scotty]

I hate it.

Suggests someone somewhere has pocketed me because there’s 0-1 wolves in Radishes/Vulgard.

Kyle and Scotty most undeserving townreads fmpov.

I hate this game. :angrydog:

I often wonder why everyone keeps townreading me, since my votes and apparently most reads have been god awful

you are not 3rd party scum. this i am confident in. you could be wolf. im not there yet. blame the inactives and subs. I can't see who teammates could be if u r wolf.

Thanks Daisy.

Also by the by, I always vote inactives D1, because if I’m town, we don’t get to the situation we’re currently in with LM and if I’m mafia it’s pretty NAI so it’s easy to hide. Obviously, people can replace in but...what if 1/3 of the town is basically inactives or at least barebonesing it? Can’t replace them all.

It’s a win win to get rid of them early

I have advocated to lynch out insctives early in game because of similar reasons regardless of my alignments. I stopped, I forget why.

The roll eyes I always get from this thought is, what I mentioned- “if they’re inactive they’ll probably get replaced”. Yeah... maybe

[Jackofhearts2005]

That’s a big oversimplification of things but being super accurate in a recap of an unrelated game isn’t important.

[Scotty]

Cause to me that reads as someone putting on the air of caring so as to logically justify their “suspicion”

Consider this in the context of who posted the case.

think about that before you open the spoiler here...

Spoiler: show

you are talking about someone "putting on the air of caring"

Spoiler: show

you are also talking about Master Radishes...does he really seem the type to put on such an air?

Spoiler: show

that's why, yes, that was a VERY strong condemnation of Falcon, on the Radish scale

Spoiler: show

so why did he not follow it?

Spoiler: show

if you expected further spoon feeding

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

too bad...get gud

So what I take from this is...I need to purchase this...gud. How do I look procure gud?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Just say things like “git gud” or “I’m unchoppable.”

That’s what gud players do.

[Scotty]

I’m gonna throw out some tinfoil.

In me and Radishes’ semi in champs last year, Shepherd purposely was somewhat out there as a townie. Then, in the finals, Shep lasted longer than he otherwise would have by just being out there and having nonconsensus reads and process, which caused everyone in his semi to gut read him town since “that’s just how Shep is as a townie.” This allowed Shep to get away with not hunting and not pushing his teammates for awhile.

Gavil is essentially being given a free pass for being fucking out there in his own little world. Now, I don’t have faked meta to fool me into thinking he’s town. I don’t have any meta at all.

For the people who do, is this just town Gavil? How sure are you?

I definitely haven’t heard or played with Gavail, but some people that know him have already said he’s playing differently this game. But then i see other arguments that say his actions in a vaccuum read as towny.

[Scotty]

Just say things like “git gud” or “I’m unchoppable.”

That’s what gud players do.

Gut gud

[Scotty]

Just say things like “git gud” or “I’m unchoppable.”

That’s what gud players do.

Gut gud

Aw shit

[Scotty]

Just say things like “git gud” or “I’m unchoppable.”

That’s what gud players do.

Gut gud

Aw shit

I can’t even get that right

[Jackofhearts2005]

I mean the answer to Tim’s question is “because the case on Tim he made was stronger.”

Which doesn’t necessarily say anything about Radish’s alignment.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Just say things like “git gud” or “I’m unchoppable.”

That’s what gud players do.

Gut gud

[Master Radishes]

Fucking probably.

I mostly like what Radishes was doing yesterday upon reread.

His main poe was Falcon/Tim/Nacho/Marmot but he mostly spends time on the first two and wasn’t around for eod.

Yep, that much is true. It’s just that phrasing at the end there where he said he likes the falcon/Tim wagons, BUT if he had a choice he would go with Tim first. That out is what I’m hung up on.

Not being around at EOD is pretty NAI, but it doesn’t help me not view this as a cop out

You're hung up on me having an A/B pair of wolf reads and sticking with A whilst B ends up being a wolf?

Correct. It’s not like you campaigned foe falcon’s lynch

Correct. I did, however, present a very valid reason for why I scumread him and made it clear I was happy with him being chopped.

Then I decided I still preferred to stay on my other wolfread, and left the thread with Tim as the slightly larger/more viable wagon, voting alongside my stronger townreads. When I woke up you guys had seen the light on falcon and I missed out on any credit and now I'm jelly.

[Master Radishes]

For the people who do, is this just town Gavil? How sure are you?

Don't know Gav at all.

I only backed off because Vulgard said to.

So, y'know, if Vul flips wolf, possible shielding going on there.

[Scotty]

This could be NAI for monkey, but is he usually this much of a low poster? Obviously posting quantity doesn’t always mean much in the era of spam posting, but like...he has fewer posts than SEANZIE. Who has been dead for 4 years.

Like who know? Maybe he is town?! Maybe he’s Elvis! I just want to hear from him, no disrespect

[Scotty]

For the people who do, is this just town Gavil? How sure are you?

Don't know Gav at all.

I only backed off because Vulgard said to.

So, y'know, if Vul flips wolf, possible shielding going on there.

But why would Vulgard be wolf? He’s the towniest of townies

[Master Radishes]

For the people who do, is this just town Gavil? How sure are you?

Don't know Gav at all.

I only backed off because Vulgard said to.

So, y'know, if Vul flips wolf, possible shielding going on there.

But why would Vulgard be wolf? He’s the towniest of townies

Good point.

[Timsup2nothin]

Cause to me that reads as someone putting on the air of caring so as to logically justify their “suspicion”

Consider this in the context of who posted the case.

think about that before you open the spoiler here...

Spoiler: show

you are talking about someone "putting on the air of caring"

Spoiler: show

you are also talking about Master Radishes...does he really seem the type to put on such an air?

Spoiler: show

that's why, yes, that was a VERY strong condemnation of Falcon, on the Radish scale

Spoiler: show

so why did he not follow it?

Spoiler: show

if you expected further spoon feeding

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

too bad...get gud

So what I take from this is...I need to purchase this...gud. How do I look procure gud?

Chop a wolf. Trade pelts for gud. I suggest Radishes. He has emphasized all game "I am the Radish, I read nothing, I do nothing..." and the only exception really is a wall of quotes case...which he then doesn't follow behind the constantly overused "Tim just feels off."

You've been on hiatus for the entire length of my mafia existence, but "Tim feels off" isn't a case, it's a punch line. I "feel off" to everyone, every game, regardless of my alignment, their alignment, phase of the moon, whatever. Whether it is outing my role for no obvious reason, latching on to a read no one else believes, being snotty to a town core for no reason at all other than them being a town core, beating people over the head that I did something no wolf would ever do so fuck it I just am not gonna play any more...I have an endless list of "just feels off" things to do, and in every game I do at least one.

So for Radish to hang a frigging wall post case on Falcon and then say "but Tim feels off, so that case is equal or better and I go there" is just fucking ridiculous.

[Master Radishes]

So for Radish to hang a frigging wall post case on Falcon and then say "but Tim feels off, so that case is equal or better and I go there" is just fucking ridiculous.

Is it though

[Jackofhearts2005]

I used to like it when I townread everyone. Now it just annoys me. What have I become?

[Jackofhearts2005]

KZA is voting Gavil.

[Master Radishes]

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

KZA

[Scotty]

KZA is voting Gavil.

Wait, did I miss an announcement where KZA was allowed to vote?

[Timsup2nothin]

So for Radish to hang a frigging wall post case on Falcon and then say "but Tim feels off, so that case is equal or better and I go there" is just fucking ridiculous.

Is it though

Yeah Radish, it really is. Like, on both ends.

I am accustomed to IDGAF Radish, and when that Radish steps up and says "okay y'all, I know I said I wasn't gonna, but you are obviously totally lost so I went and read ISOs and did stuff and here's a case" I expect a "let's goooooooo!!!!" and a vote and something I can just put on my executioner hat and even if you go crawl in your little Euro time zone bed and leave it to me we are gonna kill a wolf. You make the case, I grab it and run and I am gonna slaughter Falcon and...W T F ??? You aren't even voting it?

On the other end, you are one of the few people who actually gets "yeah Tim always feels wolfy." You've said it game after game after game, no matter your alignment or mine. Yet there you are with a one line case that amounts to "Tim feels wolfy."

[Timsup2nothin]

I used to like it when I townread everyone. Now it just annoys me. What have I become?

Finally getting gud. About frickin' time.

[Jackofhearts2005]

KZA is voting Gavil.

Wait, did I miss an announcement where KZA was allowed to vote?

I thought the person letting that happened died.

[Timsup2nothin]

KZA is voting Gavil.

Wait, did I miss an announcement where KZA was allowed to vote?

Part of why I have fought so hard to stay alive instead of just shaking the dust of this dismal town off my boots and laughing at you all is that I figure all this dead people voting means that dying won't get me into spec chat anyway so I might as well stay with you losers and try to help you miraculously see daylight here.

[Timsup2nothin]

KZA is voting Gavil.

Wait, did I miss an announcement where KZA was allowed to vote?

I thought the person letting that happened died.

Activated before the kill maybe? Artifacts gonna artifact?