The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:45 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:27 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:54 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:47 am I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.
Why is it between the two here?
It doesn't have to be; it's just that Sloonei still has 4 votes right now and I'd rather not see him die even if he doesn't post more today tbh.
So what does it take for Sloonei to be lynched Day 1 for you?

Admittedly, in almost no universe. I would give you similar reasons tbh. And while I appreciate your passion, I'm perhaps influenced by the fact that I think you believe it, but I'm not sure what you've found is that alignment indicative.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:43 pm
Spoiler: show
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:09 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:36 am Moving my vote to long con
So familiar... I get shout outs to post more. I make one post with an opinion. Vote comes in for me unqualified. *kisses fingertips like Chef Boy-ar-dee* Magnifique.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:38 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:34 am I like Wilgy as Civ. I don't think Wolf Wilgy would jab at 3P-claimed Dizzy.
Why do we think this? It would be an easy move.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:42 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:34 am I like Wilgy as Civ. I don't think Wolf Wilgy would jab at 3P-claimed Dizzy.
Why not?
The likelihood that a 3P is not a threat to the wolf team. Why waste wolfy energy going after a 3P?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:52 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:50 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:47 am I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.
Can I interest you in a long con
Sure, I'm down. Not feeling a Wilgy vote much anymore.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Really?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:04 pm Updated MP7 reads list thingy

Town for now -- [would never lynch right now]
112
Epignosis
juliets
Nanook
Scirrus

Let's give X another day here -- [would prefer not to lynch]
Funnygurl
Jack
MacDougall
Sloonei

Upper POE -- [would passively consider lynch]
Soneji
TSP / nova

Lower POE -- [would actively consider lynch]
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Long Con
So I was orange until I made a content post and Nanook decided for you that it's bad, so suddenly I'm in your red zone. Suyre.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:07 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:48 pm MP, I'm starting to dislike your lines here.

I feel that you are drawing and encouraging lines of agreement and suspicion that aren't necessarily your own, but more so assist a narrative that is in your favor. I.e. you leave me in the null stating you don't know how you feel but at the same time leaving me at would lynch.

Your LC vote also piggy backing off Nanook.
I don't understand, what's the scum strategy I'm employing exactly?
Not sure if there's a term for it, but the encouragement of genuine town thoughts that give a scum benefit.

Linki: I think he's right re sloonei and his suspicion feels genuine.
I'm not sure I understand still, so let me elaborate. The players in my POE are people I feel OK lynching. If I have someone at a null read, I'm essentially OK with them being in the POE, especially if I have town leans or reads for everyone else. I think the reasons I've placed everyone in the tiers that I have are substantiated somewhere in my ISO, but if you're ever confused about any of them, feel free to ask me.

Also, I'm voting LC to support Nanook, and LC is in my three-person lower POE. I do that all the time as town. If someone else wants support with a wagon, I see that person who wants my support as town, and I support pressure on that wagon, I will often add to that wagon.

Why is that scum agenda and not town agenda?
Calling absolute bullshit here. I wasn't in your lower POE until you decided to "support" Nanook's unqualified vote.

Jeeze, this is one hell of an OMGUS. Do you believe this, Long Con? If so, why aren't you voting for me?

I don't get it. Am I OMGUSing you, or not? Am I not allowed to call something bullshit when I see it now? Are my opinions not valid without a vote?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:47 pm Why are you asking/looking for that?
I just want to look at a game where you were mafia when there was only one mafia team so I can see what your play was like. I often look at someone's past games to help me with meta.

Have you done that with me? Your focus seems a bit narrow.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm**

Guys I cannot possibly define how much I think Juliets is scum

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:47 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:37 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:16 pm So damn, Sloonei wasn't in Day 1 of The Wire. Maybe I'm going about this wrong. @Sloonei are there any games where you were town where you feel like your play Day 1 was comparable to this game?
shockheaded peter comes to mind. There was another one that i was so detached from that I don't even remember the name.

I don't think any of this is really alignment indicative though. This game right now is unique in that I'm not too busy to play the game, I'm just mentally exhausted from life circumstances in recent weeks. I'm here, I just don't have the energy to be myself.

Ok Sloonei thanks for your honesty. I won't waste my time then.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:47 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:43 pm
Spoiler: show
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:09 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:36 am Moving my vote to long con
So familiar... I get shout outs to post more. I make one post with an opinion. Vote comes in for me unqualified. *kisses fingertips like Chef Boy-ar-dee* Magnifique.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:38 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:34 am I like Wilgy as Civ. I don't think Wolf Wilgy would jab at 3P-claimed Dizzy.
Why do we think this? It would be an easy move.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:42 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:34 am I like Wilgy as Civ. I don't think Wolf Wilgy would jab at 3P-claimed Dizzy.
Why not?
The likelihood that a 3P is not a threat to the wolf team. Why waste wolfy energy going after a 3P?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:52 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:50 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:47 am I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.
Can I interest you in a long con
Sure, I'm down. Not feeling a Wilgy vote much anymore.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Really?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:04 pm Updated MP7 reads list thingy

Town for now -- [would never lynch right now]
112
Epignosis
juliets
Nanook
Scirrus

Let's give X another day here -- [would prefer not to lynch]
Funnygurl
Jack
MacDougall
Sloonei

Upper POE -- [would passively consider lynch]
Soneji
TSP / nova

Lower POE -- [would actively consider lynch]
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Long Con
So I was orange until I made a content post and Nanook decided for you that it's bad, so suddenly I'm in your red zone. Suyre.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:07 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:48 pm MP, I'm starting to dislike your lines here.

I feel that you are drawing and encouraging lines of agreement and suspicion that aren't necessarily your own, but more so assist a narrative that is in your favor. I.e. you leave me in the null stating you don't know how you feel but at the same time leaving me at would lynch.

Your LC vote also piggy backing off Nanook.
I don't understand, what's the scum strategy I'm employing exactly?
Not sure if there's a term for it, but the encouragement of genuine town thoughts that give a scum benefit.

Linki: I think he's right re sloonei and his suspicion feels genuine.
I'm not sure I understand still, so let me elaborate. The players in my POE are people I feel OK lynching. If I have someone at a null read, I'm essentially OK with them being in the POE, especially if I have town leans or reads for everyone else. I think the reasons I've placed everyone in the tiers that I have are substantiated somewhere in my ISO, but if you're ever confused about any of them, feel free to ask me.

Also, I'm voting LC to support Nanook, and LC is in my three-person lower POE. I do that all the time as town. If someone else wants support with a wagon, I see that person who wants my support as town, and I support pressure on that wagon, I will often add to that wagon.

Why is that scum agenda and not town agenda?
Calling absolute bullshit here. I wasn't in your lower POE until you decided to "support" Nanook's unqualified vote.

Jeeze, this is one hell of an OMGUS. Do you believe this, Long Con? If so, why aren't you voting for me?
I don't get it. Am I OMGUSing you, or not? Am I not allowed to call something bullshit when I see it now? Are my opinions not valid without a vote?

...yeah, it's still an OMGUS. Answer my question please.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:48 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:53 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:16 pm I absolutely hate that 4-person wagon on Sloonei. It's static. It's not pushing the game forward in any way. If there's one reason to ever lynch Mac here, that'd be one. I understand Epi's vote being there, but I'd encourage those voters to at least more actively consider other options.

If Sloonei is scum and I'm actively now arguing to avoid his lynch d1, then lol, but if he is scum I'm confident we can catch him with strong town play.
What the hell is wrong with a static lynch if it's the right one?

I'm not necessarily saying there's anything wrong with the end result, but the methods therein. I just felt the game getting super static, and I'm trying to apply pressure. If Sloonei is the only main player receiving pressure on Day 1, we are far from maximizing our chances of winning.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:48 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:43 pm
Spoiler: show
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:09 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:36 am Moving my vote to long con
So familiar... I get shout outs to post more. I make one post with an opinion. Vote comes in for me unqualified. *kisses fingertips like Chef Boy-ar-dee* Magnifique.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:38 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:34 am I like Wilgy as Civ. I don't think Wolf Wilgy would jab at 3P-claimed Dizzy.
Why do we think this? It would be an easy move.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:42 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:34 am I like Wilgy as Civ. I don't think Wolf Wilgy would jab at 3P-claimed Dizzy.
Why not?
The likelihood that a 3P is not a threat to the wolf team. Why waste wolfy energy going after a 3P?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:52 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:50 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:47 am I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.
Can I interest you in a long con
Sure, I'm down. Not feeling a Wilgy vote much anymore.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Really?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:04 pm Updated MP7 reads list thingy

Town for now -- [would never lynch right now]
112
Epignosis
juliets
Nanook
Scirrus

Let's give X another day here -- [would prefer not to lynch]
Funnygurl
Jack
MacDougall
Sloonei

Upper POE -- [would passively consider lynch]
Soneji
TSP / nova

Lower POE -- [would actively consider lynch]
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Long Con
So I was orange until I made a content post and Nanook decided for you that it's bad, so suddenly I'm in your red zone. Suyre.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:07 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:03 pm

I don't understand, what's the scum strategy I'm employing exactly?
Not sure if there's a term for it, but the encouragement of genuine town thoughts that give a scum benefit.

Linki: I think he's right re sloonei and his suspicion feels genuine.
I'm not sure I understand still, so let me elaborate. The players in my POE are people I feel OK lynching. If I have someone at a null read, I'm essentially OK with them being in the POE, especially if I have town leans or reads for everyone else. I think the reasons I've placed everyone in the tiers that I have are substantiated somewhere in my ISO, but if you're ever confused about any of them, feel free to ask me.

Also, I'm voting LC to support Nanook, and LC is in my three-person lower POE. I do that all the time as town. If someone else wants support with a wagon, I see that person who wants my support as town, and I support pressure on that wagon, I will often add to that wagon.

Why is that scum agenda and not town agenda?
Calling absolute bullshit here. I wasn't in your lower POE until you decided to "support" Nanook's unqualified vote.

Jeeze, this is one hell of an OMGUS. Do you believe this, Long Con? If so, why aren't you voting for me?
I don't get it. Am I OMGUSing you, or not? Am I not allowed to call something bullshit when I see it now? Are my opinions not valid without a vote?
...yeah, it's still an OMGUS. Answer my question please.

I don't understand the question.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:48 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:54 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:21 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:19 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:18 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:17 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:14 pm Oh, also Nanook, Mac got lynched Day 1 when he was IMO clear town in Banjo. He's obviously not clear town here, but I would feel like ass lynching him d1 again here. So *shrug*, that's another reason I'd put him in the let's give him another day category I suppose.
I thought he was clearly town that game too IIRC, doesn’t affect my desire to kill or not kill him here
You have a more logical mafia brain than I do then, and I commend you.
I’ve also played games with him since, tbf
Ah, yeah, that's the last game I've played with him and it'd be nice to actually play with him here.

I do hate his Sloonei vote though. @MacDougall, do something about that please. Place it on a different person or wagon so we can get some dynamic progression before we shrug lynch Sloonei on Day 1. Anything for more information.
Fuck lynching for information.

Where did I say I supported info lynching?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:49 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:48 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:43 pm
Spoiler: show
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:09 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:36 am Moving my vote to long con
So familiar... I get shout outs to post more. I make one post with an opinion. Vote comes in for me unqualified. *kisses fingertips like Chef Boy-ar-dee* Magnifique.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:38 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:34 am I like Wilgy as Civ. I don't think Wolf Wilgy would jab at 3P-claimed Dizzy.
Why do we think this? It would be an easy move.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:42 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:34 am I like Wilgy as Civ. I don't think Wolf Wilgy would jab at 3P-claimed Dizzy.
Why not?
The likelihood that a 3P is not a threat to the wolf team. Why waste wolfy energy going after a 3P?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:52 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:50 am

Can I interest you in a long con
Sure, I'm down. Not feeling a Wilgy vote much anymore.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Really?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:04 pm Updated MP7 reads list thingy

Town for now -- [would never lynch right now]
112
Epignosis
juliets
Nanook
Scirrus

Let's give X another day here -- [would prefer not to lynch]
Funnygurl
Jack
MacDougall
Sloonei

Upper POE -- [would passively consider lynch]
Soneji
TSP / nova

Lower POE -- [would actively consider lynch]
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Long Con
So I was orange until I made a content post and Nanook decided for you that it's bad, so suddenly I'm in your red zone. Suyre.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:07 pm

Not sure if there's a term for it, but the encouragement of genuine town thoughts that give a scum benefit.

Linki: I think he's right re sloonei and his suspicion feels genuine.
I'm not sure I understand still, so let me elaborate. The players in my POE are people I feel OK lynching. If I have someone at a null read, I'm essentially OK with them being in the POE, especially if I have town leans or reads for everyone else. I think the reasons I've placed everyone in the tiers that I have are substantiated somewhere in my ISO, but if you're ever confused about any of them, feel free to ask me.

Also, I'm voting LC to support Nanook, and LC is in my three-person lower POE. I do that all the time as town. If someone else wants support with a wagon, I see that person who wants my support as town, and I support pressure on that wagon, I will often add to that wagon.

Why is that scum agenda and not town agenda?
Calling absolute bullshit here. I wasn't in your lower POE until you decided to "support" Nanook's unqualified vote.

Jeeze, this is one hell of an OMGUS. Do you believe this, Long Con? If so, why aren't you voting for me?
I don't get it. Am I OMGUSing you, or not? Am I not allowed to call something bullshit when I see it now? Are my opinions not valid without a vote?
...yeah, it's still an OMGUS. Answer my question please.
I don't understand the question.

I'm just asking why you are not voting for me, primarily. If you think I'm bullshitting, then aren't you effectively saying I'm scum? I haven't seen you call anything else bullshit.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:49 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:55 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:24 pm Even for those players who do think they've caught scum Sloonei, who are his teammates then? There's more work to be done. A static gamestate actively hurts our faction.
That's a Day 2 problem.

No, if we lynch Sloonei and he's town, that's a now problem.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:50 pm**

Epi's complacency with just casing Sloonei and doing fuck all anywhere else strikes me as townie, but I disagree with it vehemently.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:50 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:47 pm Why are you asking/looking for that?
I just want to look at a game where you were mafia when there was only one mafia team so I can see what your play was like. I often look at someone's past games to help me with meta.
Have you done that with me? Your focus seems a bit narrow.

No I haven't because this is the way you always play. Sloonei has been showing me something I haven't seen even though I've played with him a lot. I am satisfied for now though with his recent explanation.

much linki

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:50 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm Guys I cannot possibly define how much I think Juliets is scum

Damn near seems mechanical.

And he’s not voting Juliets either.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:50 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:00 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:55 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:24 pm Even for those players who do think they've caught scum Sloonei, who are his teammates then? There's more work to be done. A static gamestate actively hurts our faction.
That's a Day 2 problem.
This MP quote reminded me of this MP quote:

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:48 pm MP, I'm starting to dislike your lines here.

I feel that you are drawing and encouraging lines of agreement and suspicion that aren't necessarily your own, but more so assist a narrative that is in your favor. I.e. you leave me in the null stating you don't know how you feel but at the same time leaving me at would lynch.

Your LC vote also piggy backing off Nanook.
I don't understand, what's the scum strategy I'm employing exactly?
Wilgy was pretty clear in what he was saying, and MP tries to deflect it... it's straw-mannish. "If you can't define my *scum strategy* in a way that I accept, your accusation isn't valid." Dislike.

This is more shade.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:51 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:48 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:43 pm
Spoiler: show
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:09 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:36 am Moving my vote to long con
So familiar... I get shout outs to post more. I make one post with an opinion. Vote comes in for me unqualified. *kisses fingertips like Chef Boy-ar-dee* Magnifique.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:38 am

Why do we think this? It would be an easy move.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:42 am

Why not?
The likelihood that a 3P is not a threat to the wolf team. Why waste wolfy energy going after a 3P?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:52 am

Sure, I'm down. Not feeling a Wilgy vote much anymore.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Really?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:04 pm Updated MP7 reads list thingy

Town for now -- [would never lynch right now]
112
Epignosis
juliets
Nanook
Scirrus

Let's give X another day here -- [would prefer not to lynch]
Funnygurl
Jack
MacDougall
Sloonei

Upper POE -- [would passively consider lynch]
Soneji
TSP / nova

Lower POE -- [would actively consider lynch]
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Long Con
So I was orange until I made a content post and Nanook decided for you that it's bad, so suddenly I'm in your red zone. Suyre.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:11 pm

I'm not sure I understand still, so let me elaborate. The players in my POE are people I feel OK lynching. If I have someone at a null read, I'm essentially OK with them being in the POE, especially if I have town leans or reads for everyone else. I think the reasons I've placed everyone in the tiers that I have are substantiated somewhere in my ISO, but if you're ever confused about any of them, feel free to ask me.

Also, I'm voting LC to support Nanook, and LC is in my three-person lower POE. I do that all the time as town. If someone else wants support with a wagon, I see that person who wants my support as town, and I support pressure on that wagon, I will often add to that wagon.

Why is that scum agenda and not town agenda?
Calling absolute bullshit here. I wasn't in your lower POE until you decided to "support" Nanook's unqualified vote.

Jeeze, this is one hell of an OMGUS. Do you believe this, Long Con? If so, why aren't you voting for me?
I don't get it. Am I OMGUSing you, or not? Am I not allowed to call something bullshit when I see it now? Are my opinions not valid without a vote?
...yeah, it's still an OMGUS. Answer my question please.
I don't understand the question.
I'm just asking why you are not voting for me, primarily. If you think I'm bullshitting, then aren't you effectively saying I'm scum? I haven't seen you call anything else bullshit.

I'll vote when I decide who I want to vote for. It might be you. You are acting suspiciously.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:52 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:50 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:00 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:55 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:24 pm Even for those players who do think they've caught scum Sloonei, who are his teammates then? There's more work to be done. A static gamestate actively hurts our faction.
That's a Day 2 problem.
This MP quote reminded me of this MP quote:

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:48 pm MP, I'm starting to dislike your lines here.

I feel that you are drawing and encouraging lines of agreement and suspicion that aren't necessarily your own, but more so assist a narrative that is in your favor. I.e. you leave me in the null stating you don't know how you feel but at the same time leaving me at would lynch.

Your LC vote also piggy backing off Nanook.
I don't understand, what's the scum strategy I'm employing exactly?
Wilgy was pretty clear in what he was saying, and MP tries to deflect it... it's straw-mannish. "If you can't define my *scum strategy* in a way that I accept, your accusation isn't valid." Dislike.
This is more shade.

Yes, that's right, that is another time I found something you did suspicious.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:52 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm Guys I cannot possibly define how much I think Juliets is scum

Tony, can you please explain your read?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:52 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:20 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:19 pm I have gotten the impression that Epi is super town. Have I been fooled? Please tell me.

linki
juliets
not town
why not?
A deep feeling in my soul has told me thus

Expand please?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:52 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:51 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:48 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:43 pm
Spoiler: show
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:09 pm
So familiar... I get shout outs to post more. I make one post with an opinion. Vote comes in for me unqualified. *kisses fingertips like Chef Boy-ar-dee* Magnifique.

The likelihood that a 3P is not a threat to the wolf team. Why waste wolfy energy going after a 3P?

Really?

So I was orange until I made a content post and Nanook decided for you that it's bad, so suddenly I'm in your red zone. Suyre.

Calling absolute bullshit here. I wasn't in your lower POE until you decided to "support" Nanook's unqualified vote.

Jeeze, this is one hell of an OMGUS. Do you believe this, Long Con? If so, why aren't you voting for me?
I don't get it. Am I OMGUSing you, or not? Am I not allowed to call something bullshit when I see it now? Are my opinions not valid without a vote?
...yeah, it's still an OMGUS. Answer my question please.
I don't understand the question.
I'm just asking why you are not voting for me, primarily. If you think I'm bullshitting, then aren't you effectively saying I'm scum? I haven't seen you call anything else bullshit.
I'll vote when I decide who I want to vote for. It might be you. You are acting suspiciously.

Who else do you suspect?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:53 pm**

LC, why are you being cagey with me?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:53 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:53 pm LC, why are you being cagey with me?

I don't know what you're talking about. You're being weirdly aggressive against my suspicion of you.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:54 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:29 pm Anyone have an actual case that is probably not gas?

I mean, I thought what 112 said about Wilgy was mildly compelling, and I thought the way Wilgy behaved around Sloonei was like trying to have his cake and eat it too, in an insincere way.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:54 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:53 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:53 pm LC, why are you being cagey with me?
I don't know what you're talking about. You're being weirdly aggressive against my suspicion of you.

I am? I'm not trying to be. I'm just trying to get inside your head, that's all.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:54 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:52 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:51 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:48 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:43 pm
Spoiler: show

Jeeze, this is one hell of an OMGUS. Do you believe this, Long Con? If so, why aren't you voting for me?
I don't get it. Am I OMGUSing you, or not? Am I not allowed to call something bullshit when I see it now? Are my opinions not valid without a vote?
...yeah, it's still an OMGUS. Answer my question please.
I don't understand the question.
I'm just asking why you are not voting for me, primarily. If you think I'm bullshitting, then aren't you effectively saying I'm scum? I haven't seen you call anything else bullshit.
I'll vote when I decide who I want to vote for. It might be you. You are acting suspiciously.
Who else do you suspect?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:55 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:41 pm I thought Epi's case on Sloonei was good, especially for Day 1. I really would like to look at another Day 1 mafia Sloonei so I think I'll do that. I also understand what it's like to be tired and distracted and playing mafia so I would like to believe Sloonei. I'm going to eat dinner, take a look at Sloonei's day 1 in The Wire and think about changing my vote.

How many times can juliets say the word Sloonei: THE GAME

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:55 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:53 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:53 pm LC, why are you being cagey with me?
I don't know what you're talking about. You're being weirdly aggressive against my suspicion of you.
I am? I'm not trying to be. I'm just trying to get inside your head, that's all.

It's frikkin' weird to have someone bring you up in a suspicion, and immediately jump to "THEN WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING ME HMMMMMMMM?" Chill out.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:56 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:30 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:26 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:16 pm So damn, Sloonei wasn't in Day 1 of The Wire. Maybe I'm going about this wrong. @Sloonei are there any games where you were town where you feel like your play Day 1 was comparable to this game?
Sending Sloonei and yourself on a wild goose chase is very much scum energy.
Wait, what? I'm trying to determine if Sloonei ever plays like this. Epi says "no". I don't remember. I would like to see for myself. Why would I send Sloonei on a wild goose chase? And why would I go on one? If you are making an accusation just come out with it instead of sliding around it.

Also, what did you think of Epi's case?

juliets, I think there's more to consider than meta.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:56 pm**

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:56 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:55 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:41 pm I thought Epi's case on Sloonei was good, especially for Day 1. I really would like to look at another Day 1 mafia Sloonei so I think I'll do that. I also understand what it's like to be tired and distracted and playing mafia so I would like to believe Sloonei. I'm going to eat dinner, take a look at Sloonei's day 1 in The Wire and think about changing my vote.
How many times can juliets say the word Sloonei: THE GAME

lol

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:56 pm**

Ok, best of luck.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:56 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:55 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:53 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:53 pm LC, why are you being cagey with me?
I don't know what you're talking about. You're being weirdly aggressive against my suspicion of you.
I am? I'm not trying to be. I'm just trying to get inside your head, that's all.
It's frikkin' weird to have someone bring you up in a suspicion, and immediately jump to "THEN WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING ME HMMMMMMMM?" Chill out.

You must be reading into my tone, because there is nothing like that in what I've said.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:57 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:34 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:24 pm Are we seriously killing sloonei today? What is this nonsense?
Speak as to why we shouldn't.
Why the fuck are you tunneling this so hard?

This is aggressive. I've not said anything like this to LC?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:58 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm Guys I cannot possibly define how much I think Juliets is scum

Go on.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:59 pm**

So just so I understand correctly, LC, you have one town read which is Wilgy, and one scum read which is me?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:59 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:56 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:30 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:26 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:16 pm So damn, Sloonei wasn't in Day 1 of The Wire. Maybe I'm going about this wrong. @Sloonei are there any games where you were town where you feel like your play Day 1 was comparable to this game?
Sending Sloonei and yourself on a wild goose chase is very much scum energy.
Wait, what? I'm trying to determine if Sloonei ever plays like this. Epi says "no". I don't remember. I would like to see for myself. Why would I send Sloonei on a wild goose chase? And why would I go on one? If you are making an accusation just come out with it instead of sliding around it.

Also, what did you think of Epi's case?
juliets, I think there's more to consider than meta.

Yes I agree. I just like to look at all sides of people when I'm unsure about people's alignment. In this case what I'm asking for is not available so I have made a decision based on the thread information and Sloonei's value as a town. player.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:00 pm**

juliets, why exactly are you voting for Soneji?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:00 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:43 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:35 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:10 pm I just read through Sloonei's posts. He posted exactly 4 times yesterday (Tuesday) and hasn't posted at all today. That's not looking good. I understand he's playing another game but he's got no time at all to post in this one on the day we have EOD? I don't like it, the only question for me is whether MP7 is right and we should give him another day because his value if he's town is high. (Is that +EV? Still not 100% sure on how that term is used)

Other than Sloonei, I'm looking toward LC or Soneji for a vote. Since LC and Sloonei already have some heat I'm going to throw a vote Soneji's way.
It's not exactly +EV to let him live necessarily, but it could be argued that it's -EV to kill one of your potentially best game solvers and self-resolving town players on Day 1, yes.
Ok I get that. And yeah, thats why I'm having a problem moving my vote to Sloonei. Epi makes a good case but I keep thinking we should give Sloonei another day because he IS on of our best game solvers.

linki and the email about his thesis just adds more to me thinking we should give him more time

Slightly related, but it's entirely possible I become motivated again in a couple of days. I'm just trying to be transparent about my energy levels. More a response to MP than juliets here.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:00 pm**

I wish I knew more of what Scirrus was thinking. Hope he comes back soon.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:01 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:00 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:43 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:35 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:10 pm I just read through Sloonei's posts. He posted exactly 4 times yesterday (Tuesday) and hasn't posted at all today. That's not looking good. I understand he's playing another game but he's got no time at all to post in this one on the day we have EOD? I don't like it, the only question for me is whether MP7 is right and we should give him another day because his value if he's town is high. (Is that +EV? Still not 100% sure on how that term is used)

Other than Sloonei, I'm looking toward LC or Soneji for a vote. Since LC and Sloonei already have some heat I'm going to throw a vote Soneji's way.
It's not exactly +EV to let him live necessarily, but it could be argued that it's -EV to kill one of your potentially best game solvers and self-resolving town players on Day 1, yes.
Ok I get that. And yeah, thats why I'm having a problem moving my vote to Sloonei. Epi makes a good case but I keep thinking we should give Sloonei another day because he IS on of our best game solvers.

linki and the email about his thesis just adds more to me thinking we should give him more time
Slightly related, but it's entirely possible I become motivated again in a couple of days. I'm just trying to be transparent about my energy levels. More a response to MP than juliets here.

I understand. Just remember that the best defense is a good offense, etc. etc. I'm here to cheerlead you.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:03 pm**

Am I the only one here who throws a fit so I don’t get lynched.

PC and Sloonei are both like shrugx8

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:04 pm**

Why are you lynching LC or Sloonei? Just genuinely curious.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:05 pm**

Something has come up. I’ll be back ASAP.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:06 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:00 pm juliets, why exactly are you voting for Soneji?

Because I can't point to anything to say he is town and he's not participating. I could move my vote if there is a good reason to not vote him, but not to Sloonei.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:09 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:56 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Jack, can you talk to me about your vote?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:09 pm**

Hey guys.

4 votes on Sloonei 4 on LC. Much wow. Very Spice.

How do people feel about the wagons atm? Good? Bad? I wanna CFD Scirrus instead?

I'm not sure how caught up I can get before deadline but I'll try. it's in an hour and half or so right?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:10 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:56 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Jack, can you talk to me about your vote?

Ties are fun.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:11 pm**

Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:09 pm Hey guys.

4 votes on Sloonei 4 on LC. Much wow. Very Spice.

How do people feel about the wagons atm? Good? Bad? I wanna CFD Scirrus instead?

I'm not sure how caught up I can get before deadline but I'll try. it's in an hour and half or so right?

Yes Scirrus another hour and a half or so.

I'm not feeling great about either wagon but it could be because I just don't understand the LC one yet.

No, don't want to cfd you.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:12 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:10 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:56 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Jack, can you talk to me about your vote?
Ties are fun.

GAHHHH. A tie means no lynch in this game.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:12 pm**

Like I’m very conscious of the fact that I’m tunneling and I’ve expressed a long standing position of “can’t read Juliets” so I’m a little wary. I’ll pull up some posts in ten minutes.

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