Escape From Trump Tower [GAME OVER]

[juliets]

And like, it seems a little out of character for Juliets to just post “meh this is a thing”. As Town I’d expect her to have asked me some questions I could scumread her for or something.

Maybe I didn't make it clear when I said I needed to hear more from you. I meant what are your thoughts? Reads, game state, just the normal stuff.

No, I know what you want. I don’t like it.

I am confused by this post. I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Sloonei]

To the people voting me, and anyone else who might be concerned: I don’t have the energy to be my usual self in this game. I still intend to play, but I don’t anticipate that I’ll be the person who energizes the thread or posts huge walls of text.

[Long Con]

I forgot to say hi to Scirrus (I normally greet players I haven’t played with before) but he’s posted so much it feels awkward to do it now.

Hi Jack! I'm Scirrus. I like pina coladas, long walks on the beach, and killing mafia! Wbu?

Hi, Scirrus.

I like Total Warhammer and making fun of libertarians.

And he's pretty bad at both...

[juliets]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] I'm looking for the game where you were mafia with MacDougall and maybe Jay and it seems like there was someone else. If I remember correctly the team got through the game with no losses, thus a sweep. All I can remember is I subbed in. Do you know what game I'm talking about? If not, can you think of a game or two where you were mafia and it wasn't multi-ball?

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei I'm looking for the game where you were mafia with MacDougall and maybe Jay and it seems like there was someone else. If I remember correctly the team got through the game with no losses, thus a sweep. All I can remember is I subbed in. Do you know what game I'm talking about? If not, can you think of a game or two where you were mafia and it wasn't multi-ball?

I don't think such a game exists. I was mafia with Mac in the GoC, and Jay was a member of the other team. There was another game where I replaced Jay as mafia (The Wire, I think).

[Sloonei]

Why are you asking/looking for that?

[juliets]

Why are you asking/looking for that?

I just want to look at a game where you were mafia when there was only one mafia team so I can see what your play was like. I often look at someone's past games to help me with meta.

[Epignosis]

I'd like to know what Epi thinks more about players that are non-Sloonei.

I have opinions. I'll voice them when I'm ready.

[Epignosis]

Damn I lost my place.

[Epignosis]

Wait nope handy dandy MP arrow points me back there. Cool.

[Epignosis]

I absolutely hate that 4-person wagon on Sloonei. It's static. It's not pushing the game forward in any way. If there's one reason to ever lynch Mac here, that'd be one. I understand Epi's vote being there, but I'd encourage those voters to at least more actively consider other options.

If Sloonei is scum and I'm actively now arguing to avoid his lynch d1, then lol, but if he is scum I'm confident we can catch him with strong town play.

What the hell is wrong with a static lynch if it's the right one?

[Epignosis]

Oh, also Nanook, Mac got lynched Day 1 when he was IMO clear town in Banjo. He's obviously not clear town here, but I would feel like ass lynching him d1 again here. So *shrug*, that's another reason I'd put him in the let's give him another day category I suppose.

I thought he was clearly town that game too IIRC, doesn’t affect my desire to kill or not kill him here

You have a more logical mafia brain than I do then, and I commend you.

I’ve also played games with him since, tbf

Ah, yeah, that's the last game I've played with him and it'd be nice to actually play with him here.

I do hate his Sloonei vote though. @MacDougall, do something about that please. Place it on a different person or wagon so we can get some dynamic progression before we shrug lynch Sloonei on Day 1. Anything for more information.

Fuck lynching for information.

[Epignosis]

Even for those players who do think they've caught scum Sloonei, who are his teammates then? There's more work to be done. A static gamestate actively hurts our faction.

That's a Day 2 problem.

[Sloonei]

Why are you asking/looking for that?

I just want to look at a game where you were mafia when there was only one mafia team so I can see what your play was like. I often look at someone's past games to help me with meta.

You might be thinking of Ancient Greece, but that was ages ago. I've had three scum wins in the last year or so: GoC, The Wire, and Phenon Origins, which was a sock puppet game so I doubt you'd have specific memories of me in there if you even played it. None of them match the description of what you're looking for.

[Sloonei]

Oh, also Nanook, Mac got lynched Day 1 when he was IMO clear town in Banjo. He's obviously not clear town here, but I would feel like ass lynching him d1 again here. So *shrug*, that's another reason I'd put him in the let's give him another day category I suppose.

I thought he was clearly town that game too IIRC, doesn’t affect my desire to kill or not kill him here

You have a more logical mafia brain than I do then, and I commend you.

I’ve also played games with him since, tbf

Ah, yeah, that's the last game I've played with him and it'd be nice to actually play with him here.

I do hate his Sloonei vote though. @MacDougall, do something about that please. Place it on a different person or wagon so we can get some dynamic progression before we shrug lynch Sloonei on Day 1. Anything for more information.

Fuck lynching for information.

Fuck lynching me right now.

[Epignosis]

I just read through Sloonei's posts. He posted exactly 4 times yesterday (Tuesday) and hasn't posted at all today. That's not looking good. I understand he's playing another game but he's got no time at all to post in this one on the day we have EOD? I don't like it, the only question for me is whether MP7 is right and we should give him another day because his value if he's town is high. (Is that +EV? Still not 100% sure on how that term is used)

Other than Sloonei, I'm looking toward LC or Soneji for a vote. Since LC and Sloonei already have some heat I'm going to throw a vote Soneji's way.

It's +EV if he's providing value.

Sloonei is not providing value. Therefore it is -EV keeping him around right now (and I know he's asked about that, so I will go into more detail when I get to the post).

[Sloonei]

Actually maybe don't fuck it. I already said i'm not going to be myself in this game so it's going to be natural to eye me suspiciously. I get that, and I could end up being a hindrance more than anything else. But the arguments which exist so far are off base.

[Epignosis]

im in too many twgs at once

im also safe mns gotten less scary

twgs

mns

Do you speak English?

[Sloonei]

I just read through Sloonei's posts. He posted exactly 4 times yesterday (Tuesday) and hasn't posted at all today. That's not looking good. I understand he's playing another game but he's got no time at all to post in this one on the day we have EOD? I don't like it, the only question for me is whether MP7 is right and we should give him another day because his value if he's town is high. (Is that +EV? Still not 100% sure on how that term is used)

Other than Sloonei, I'm looking toward LC or Soneji for a vote. Since LC and Sloonei already have some heat I'm going to throw a vote Soneji's way.

It's +EV if he's providing value.

Sloonei is not providing value. Therefore it is -EV keeping him around right now (and I know he's asked about that, so I will go into more detail when I get to the post).

alright yeah that's basically what i said.

But lynching me because I'm not posting as much as I usually am is not the right play. That has zilch to do with my alignment.

[Long Con]

Even for those players who do think they've caught scum Sloonei, who are his teammates then? There's more work to be done. A static gamestate actively hurts our faction.

That's a Day 2 problem.

This MP quote reminded me of this MP quote:

MP, I'm starting to dislike your lines here.

I feel that you are drawing and encouraging lines of agreement and suspicion that aren't necessarily your own, but more so assist a narrative that is in your favor. I.e. you leave me in the null stating you don't know how you feel but at the same time leaving me at would lynch.

Your LC vote also piggy backing off Nanook.

I don't understand, what's the scum strategy I'm employing exactly?

Wilgy was pretty clear in what he was saying, and MP tries to deflect it... it's straw-mannish. "If you can't define my *scum strategy* in a way that I accept, your accusation isn't valid." Dislike.

[Sloonei]

"We can lynch Sloonei" =/= "We should lynch Sloonei"

[juliets]

Why are you asking/looking for that?

I just want to look at a game where you were mafia when there was only one mafia team so I can see what your play was like. I often look at someone's past games to help me with meta.

You might be thinking of Ancient Greece, but that was ages ago. I've had three scum wins in the last year or so: GoC, The Wire, and Phenon Origins, which was a sock puppet game so I doubt you'd have specific memories of me in there if you even played it. None of them match the description of what you're looking for.

Ok, thanks for letting me know where you were scum even though they are not likely to help.

[Epignosis]

i just realized that people are actually voting for me. that is silly.

Make me feel silly for voting you then.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I mean I'll vote for LC if nothing spicy is gonna happen

[TonyStarkPrime]

It just feels like it was LC the last 6 times or whatever

[TonyStarkPrime]

I swear between Speed and LC they've both rolled scum in the last three months then I have in a lifetime and this probably is true

[Long Con]

Twice?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Twice?

I'm at three so close

[TonyStarkPrime]

Whenever my math colleagues complain that random.org isn't truly random because it relies on atmospheric noise to produce its strings and thus can be replicated I think about me not ever being scum

[Jackofhearts2005]

I forgot to say hi to Scirrus (I normally greet players I haven’t played with before) but he’s posted so much it feels awkward to do it now.

Hi Jack! I'm Scirrus. I like pina coladas, long walks on the beach, and killing mafia! Wbu?

Hi, Scirrus.

I like Total Warhammer and making fun of libertarians.

And older people.

They bring it on themselves.

[Sloonei]

i just realized that people are actually voting for me. that is silly.

Make me feel silly for voting you then.

Can't you just make yourself feel silly?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’ve had a very long day.

Somebody point me to cases.

[Epignosis]

I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.

Why is it between the two here?

It doesn't have to be; it's just that Sloonei still has 4 votes right now and I'd rather not see him die even if he doesn't post more today tbh.

So what does it take for Sloonei to be lynched Day 1 for you?

You have been the most vocal opponent to the strategy of lynching me on Day 1 in the past. What changed?

Ah, here we are.

Lynching you Day 1 is usually a bad idea. I don't think I have to explain why. I think you know why. But here it is anyway: On paper, any individual is more likely to be a civilian than any other alignment. All things being equal, it makes sense to let those who work more than anybody else get a sense of who is not. In this particular scenario, you have done nothing to make me think you are worth keeping around until Day 2. You look caught, tongue-tied, and like anything else you say at this point is going to be used against your teammates. This is the very first time I have witnessed such a thing from you in recent memory.

I have no clue whom you even remotely suspect and the Day phase is almost over. You are mafia.

[Epignosis]

I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.

Why is it between the two here?

It doesn't have to be; it's just that Sloonei still has 4 votes right now and I'd rather not see him die even if he doesn't post more today tbh.

So what does it take for Sloonei to be lynched Day 1 for you?

You have been the most vocal opponent to the strategy of lynching me on Day 1 in the past. What changed?

I had just noted this. Something to be curious about

[juliets]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] could you remind me why you are voting for Wilgy?

linki

[Epignosis]

To the people voting me, and anyone else who might be concerned: I don’t have the energy to be my usual self in this game. I still intend to play, but I don’t anticipate that I’ll be the person who energizes the thread or posts huge walls of text.

Nobody was asking for energy or huge walls of text.

If I was the author of your posts, what would you think of me?

[Sloonei]

I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.

Why is it between the two here?

It doesn't have to be; it's just that Sloonei still has 4 votes right now and I'd rather not see him die even if he doesn't post more today tbh.

So what does it take for Sloonei to be lynched Day 1 for you?

You have been the most vocal opponent to the strategy of lynching me on Day 1 in the past. What changed?

Ah, here we are.

Lynching you Day 1 is usually a bad idea. I don't think I have to explain why. I think you know why. But here it is anyway: On paper, any individual is more likely to be a civilian than any other alignment. All things being equal, it makes sense to let those who work more than anybody else get a sense of who is not. In this particular scenario, you have done nothing to make me think you are worth keeping around until Day 2. You look caught, tongue-tied, and like anything else you say at this point is going to be used against your teammates. This is the very first time I have witnessed such a thing from you in recent memory.

I have no clue whom you even remotely suspect and the Day phase is almost over. You are mafia.

You are drastically misreading my energy. I'm just a tired person.

[Sloonei]

To the people voting me, and anyone else who might be concerned: I don’t have the energy to be my usual self in this game. I still intend to play, but I don’t anticipate that I’ll be the person who energizes the thread or posts huge walls of text.

Nobody was asking for energy or huge walls of text.

If I was the author of your posts, what would you think of me?

That you're tired and distracted.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’ve had a very long day.

Somebody point me to cases.

jules scum
case:
I think so

[Epignosis]

Why are you asking/looking for that?

I just want to look at a game where you were mafia when there was only one mafia team so I can see what your play was like. I often look at someone's past games to help me with meta.

You might be thinking of Ancient Greece, but that was ages ago. I've had three scum wins in the last year or so: GoC, The Wire, and Phenon Origins, which was a sock puppet game so I doubt you'd have specific memories of me in there if you even played it. None of them match the description of what you're looking for.

Talk about people.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei could you remind me why you are voting for Wilgy?

linki

He's pushing against me in a way that is reminiscent of past scum performances from him, though I can't recall specifics. I have seen wilgy push suspicion on me on Day 1 of games when he's been mafia, presumably as a way to score townie points for going after a vocal player. But I haven't been vocal in this game, so

[Epignosis]

I just read through Sloonei's posts. He posted exactly 4 times yesterday (Tuesday) and hasn't posted at all today. That's not looking good. I understand he's playing another game but he's got no time at all to post in this one on the day we have EOD? I don't like it, the only question for me is whether MP7 is right and we should give him another day because his value if he's town is high. (Is that +EV? Still not 100% sure on how that term is used)

Other than Sloonei, I'm looking toward LC or Soneji for a vote. Since LC and Sloonei already have some heat I'm going to throw a vote Soneji's way.

It's +EV if he's providing value.

Sloonei is not providing value. Therefore it is -EV keeping him around right now (and I know he's asked about that, so I will go into more detail when I get to the post).

alright yeah that's basically what i said.

But lynching me because I'm not posting as much as I usually am is not the right play. That has zilch to do with my alignment.

I don't think I ever said that I'm voting for you because you're not posting as much.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Sloonei could you remind me why you are voting for Wilgy?

linki

He's pushing against me in a way that is reminiscent of past scum performances from him, though I can't recall specifics. I have seen wilgy push suspicion on me on Day 1 of games when he's been mafia, presumably as a way to score townie points for going after a vocal player. But I haven't been vocal in this game, so

weak

[Epignosis]

i just realized that people are actually voting for me. that is silly.

Make me feel silly for voting you then.

Can't you just make yourself feel silly?

I can, but it usually ends in an orgasm.

[Sloonei]

Why are you asking/looking for that?

I just want to look at a game where you were mafia when there was only one mafia team so I can see what your play was like. I often look at someone's past games to help me with meta.

You might be thinking of Ancient Greece, but that was ages ago. I've had three scum wins in the last year or so: GoC, The Wire, and Phenon Origins, which was a sock puppet game so I doubt you'd have specific memories of me in there if you even played it. None of them match the description of what you're looking for.

Talk about people.

MP is town, juliets is town. I think you might be town because you wouldn't bother lighting a fire under me if you weren't.

I have not read things that aren't in my immediate field of vision.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have gotten the impression that Epi is super town. Have I been fooled? Please tell me.

linki
juliets
not town

[Sloonei]

I have gotten the impression that Epi is super town. Have I been fooled? Please tell me.

linki
juliets
not town

why not?

[Epignosis]

I've grilled Sloonei.

Now I must go grill chicken.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have gotten the impression that Epi is super town. Have I been fooled? Please tell me.

linki
juliets
not town

why not?

A deep feeling in my soul has told me thus

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei could you remind me why you are voting for Wilgy?

linki

He's pushing against me in a way that is reminiscent of past scum performances from him, though I can't recall specifics. I have seen wilgy push suspicion on me on Day 1 of games when he's been mafia, presumably as a way to score townie points for going after a vocal player. But I haven't been vocal in this game, so

weak

I never claimed to be playing a strong game