The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 4:18 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 12:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 12:03 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:56 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:45 am I don't trust people who believe in their own reads.

Either they are mafia, or newbies. Or magical scumhunting gods who can extract people's alignments by looking at their eyes (ie Dunya).

Most people can barely get a success rate a little better than rand, with a lot of effort. I guess I'm just very aware of that myself.

That's pretty mean tbh.

What’s mean? Honest question.
Do you therefore trust people that don’t believe in their own reads?

Riding the line on every player gives no info besides that you are blending in. Of course no one is going to be right all the time. But as Wayne Gretzky once said, ‘You miss every mafia read you don’t make’ or something like that

I mean I do make a point to vote every day.

I just don't say "I think A is scum because X and Y", because I know deep inside myself, that X and Y are made up bullshit. They are often made up tells that don't actually work, and confirmation bias. Lots and lots of confirmation bias. I have a long experience in writing stuff like that and watching them flip town. Over and over. Michelle was almost another case of that.

So I am honest. I'm not sure about anyone's wolf status. I don't know any effective methods to tell what other people are thinking. I don't know if you are lying or not. I don't have any suspects I'm confident in.

I have hunches, I have PoEs, and I'm good at pointing out contradictions, which do happen but are rare. I'm decent at mech strategy. I have feelings about people, which are hard to explain because they are feelings. And I really enjoy exposing bullshit from other people, starting wagons randomly and creating chaos when I feel like things are stale. Those are my strengths as a townie, whatever they are worth. Having precise reads on people ain't it.

I'm sorry, but I'm just too honest with myself to keep lying to myself that I can actually do this. I know I can't.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 4:26 pm I wanna yeet Jack just so he can stop bragging about beiing immortal.

@Scotty wanna make a truce and yeet the guy?

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 4:29 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:50 pm Michelle

Cw Roxy ?

Can you expand on this extreme push?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:51 pm Michelle
4
36%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Dragon D. Luffy, Jackofhearts2005, S~V~S

If lily is a wolf like I think, who wants to save her??

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:51 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:50 pm Michelle

Cw Roxy ?

No


I had enough

Wow what is up with this giant push for me from Porscha and Lilypet??

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:55 pm [VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

I really should have done this sooner lol fuck

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:56 pm olive branch michelle

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:58 pm pls i tr lily pls

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:59 pm why does town commit crimes against each other

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:59 pm we could have been brethren

Like a religious cult?

In another you even made an all caps scream post about it, wow.

That eod of day was quite like a push from nowhere since neither made any sort of case. Porscha literally made one post and Lilypetal made one and then never responded to me.

Why? Srsly why @Lilypetal and @Porscha

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 4:43 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:12 pm Based on EoD stuff, and previous:

I think Roxy is still good. I think Porscha is (probably?) good. The exasperation at end of day to get off both Lily and Michelle could be a play where Porscha knows both are town with TMI, but I feel like it might just be a towny motion

It felt way odd. What reasoning from Porscha did you agree with or what stood out that made you call her prob good?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 12:07 am I forgot sig was still playing this game. He didn’t post at all on D2.

That is depressing. I don’t feel like going that route today- still think we’re being led away from wolves by at least 1 big talker.

Would probably look into SVS and DDL on top of Jack. I see distinct partner equity of a SVS/Jack team but don’t exactly feel like it is a slam dunk. And I don’t currently have a case. But I can *see* the pairing, however useless that may sound

Idk if I like narrowing your suspicion to higher posters. Why limit yourself?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:14 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:54 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:38 am You seem angry out of a sudden, Scotty.

YOU ARE CORRECT

and it’s not because I feel threatened that you think I’m SK for whatever reason. I feel like I’m being gaslit.

And that I have to talk to you, (and the odd SVS at 6am who is hung up on thinking I’m trying to discredit her). I feel like you’re being intentionally obtuse because you don’t want to take a stance on anything this game

Scotty, you keep putting words in my mouth (or keyboard, to be precise). I don't think you're trying to discredit me. I think You're being a touch paranoid, and maybe missing some context here and there. I find it frustrating that this happens like all the time. In turn, I felt almost like you were trying to make me feel guilty for even entertaining Jacks theory, like it was some kind of betrayal. When really it was just me playing mafia.

And o'dark:30 is my most active time, then and now.

And yes, that is a good description of my feel for DDL. I can't get a grip on him, maybe cause he's slick? Or maybe cause he's faster than me? But yeah.

I just walked in, gotta see to doggo, then answer by @'s (which are all from you lol).

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 10:21 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:46 am Host confirmation would be nice, but reading the OP, I got a strong impression that if the SSK kills two people, the game goes on. Yhe reason for it is the usage of "removed" instead of "eliminated" in town's wincon.

Host refused to confirm when I asked but I came to the same conclusion fwiw

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 10:39 am I'd appreciate @Scotty @Dragon D. Luffy @S~V~S 's takes on Lily's D2, particularly wrt her reaction to the votes on her. I found it wolfy but I need a second opinion because nobody else seems to think so and I wanna know why I'm wrong or for ya'll to stop ignoring that take.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:39 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:08 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:40 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 12:03 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 5:42 pm There's a penalty, it's in the rules post.

The reason I think a double shot is likely is that otherwise, a player who did not participate in LC's death decided to send a message with a fake LC death post, on the SAME NIGHT LC died.

Seems very unlikely. What is more likely is that the two wolf factions shot him, and all 3 of them faked LC death posts as a strategy to muddle the night post. And the 4th one is the actual LC death post.

For this to be the case, LC must be the motion detector. Which is bonkers- I looked through his iso and see no hinting or anything of that role.

I think it actually more likely that the SK is oscillating targets with a fake role reveal. The 1st night was probably the one that said ‘SVS was the vig’ and last night was ‘LC was the motion detecter’ and they just happened to guess the right kill.

I think LC was VT. It also lines up that there are 3 ‘LC was vanilla’ messages. The SK wouldn’t use that as a cover.

Now unfortunately, the odds of the SK choosing the correct message at night is increasing and it’s almost a die roll without any investigation. We really need to find a wolf today, and the SK tomorrow

Someone posted a message night 1 saying they thought we were in Matrix 5. That to me says that the person who posted that message KNEW we were in matrix 5. That's the motion detector matrix.

Sup gang, sig freud here.
dont fret that the cop is dead. We got this! Uwu

don’t trust that SVS. I still think DDL and the Scotsman are teammates. If I had a hunch, I’d say we’re in matrix 5, not the one with the vig.
Just saying. Tootles!

That person also said they thought you were teammates with DDL and I was not trustworthy, for full openness, didn't want to cut the message.

And even though Canada does not celebrate Memorial Day the same date as the US does, he's close to the border and I bet his family food service business has a busy weekend when we have a three day holiday. So him not being very involved this weekend would be not surprising.

Yes, I remember the post, but considering that person also lumped in that DDL and I were wolf buddies, I wouldn’t give them credit for anything else peddled.

Does my surmising make sense? I don’t intend to dwell on the SK psychology, but I feel like my logic makes sense.

RE: sig- ok, well, weekend over. Where is he?

Bad instincts about other players on Day 1 doesn't make them a wolf. That sounds like an info drop to me.

And I don't understand why anyone thinks the SSK would name drop in posts. They may not even have to send in messages. The messages are for the SSK to try to figure out who sent them. Why would they have to send them in themselves? The only point would be for funsies, "Bwa ha ha I am the SSK, all kneel before me" (in before someone posts that tonight )

Or maybe everyone should post that tonight!!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 10:59 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:47 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:45 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:43 am Still think SvS and Sig (although he needs to post),look townie. Adding Porscha to the list after yesterday.

Scot looks townie but I really dig Jack's SK theory.

As always, I don't have any suspects I'm confident on. And even the ones I think are townies, I can be convinced otherwise.

We read whoever we want based on whatever reasons we have, and if someone fails to look more townie for the whole game than Sig did day 1, sucks for them.

Anwering Jack, Sig felt like good old town Sig, full of tinfoils and being sure of things. Iirc wolf Sig is trying to blend to other people's opinions more, not stand out. So yeah its meta.

Why would you think sig looks like anything? For a Day 1, he looked towny. For Day three he looks like

I know. But to me, not showing up day 2 doesn't change the fact he looks townie for the posts he made. Logic says he vanished for RL reasons, not for having a red role card.

So … why do we bother with days 2, 3 and 4 if we slap a towny label on someone day one and call it good forever more?

Like I said this AM, I don’t particularly think sig is bad, but as no new opinions feed into the hopper, anyone starts to look like a question mark.

I ran into this post reading, I see I have a crapton on @s, I’ll try to get to them at lunch. I had a lunch meeting yesterday but should have time today.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:11 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 4:18 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 12:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 12:03 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:56 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:45 am I don't trust people who believe in their own reads.

Either they are mafia, or newbies. Or magical scumhunting gods who can extract people's alignments by looking at their eyes (ie Dunya).

Most people can barely get a success rate a little better than rand, with a lot of effort. I guess I'm just very aware of that myself.

That's pretty mean tbh.

What’s mean? Honest question.
Do you therefore trust people that don’t believe in their own reads?

Riding the line on every player gives no info besides that you are blending in. Of course no one is going to be right all the time. But as Wayne Gretzky once said, ‘You miss every mafia read you don’t make’ or something like that

I mean I do make a point to vote every day.

I just don't say "I think A is scum because X and Y", because I know deep inside myself, that X and Y are made up bullshit. They are often made up tells that don't actually work, and confirmation bias. Lots and lots of confirmation bias. I have a long experience in writing stuff like that and watching them flip town. Over and over. Michelle was almost another case of that.

So I am honest. I'm not sure about anyone's wolf status. I don't know any effective methods to tell what other people are thinking. I don't know if you are lying or not. I don't have any suspects I'm confident in.

I have hunches, I have PoEs, and I'm good at pointing out contradictions, which do happen but are rare. I'm decent at mech strategy. I have feelings about people, which are hard to explain because they are feelings. And I really enjoy exposing bullshit from other people, starting wagons randomly and creating chaos when I feel like things are stale. Those are my strengths as a townie, whatever they are worth. Having precise reads on people ain't it.

I'm sorry, but I'm just too honest with myself to keep lying to myself that I can actually do this. I know I can't.

While there’s something to be said of not feeling confident in your views, to say that the reasons you suspect people are, deep down, ~bullshit~ is something I can’t fathom. And of course it’s confirmation bias. If it weren’t, you would have some form of ironclad info.

Scenario (if you are town):
We’re going rock climbing. I need a belayer to hold me when I toprope high in the air. You probably don’t feel confident, but you’ve watched videos of how it might go.
You could say (A): {Hey, I’ve never done this before but I watched a video of how to tie the knot and stand for balance, so let’s go for it}
Or you could say (B): {I could maybe hold you, but maybe I can’t because I only saw a video}

I’m always going to put my trust in person A. Even though they’re not experienced, they at least have the reasoning laid out as to why it might fail, but they’re projecting confidence. And sure, you might drop me, but at least we all gave it the old college try.

Relating it to this game, if you’re this guy, I have no trust in your reads, because you might as well not have any. If you were to flip town, we’re not following any pushes or reads you’ve made, because you just don’t have any. It’s a lose-lose.

That’s if you’re town.

“I have feelings about people, which are hard to explain because they are feelings. And I really enjoy exposing bullshit from other people, starting wagons randomly and creating chaos when I feel like things are stale. Those are my strengths as a townie, whatever they are worth. Having precise reads on people ain't it.”

Feelings are fine, but that word salad post you made of 4 people equating to basically ‘meh’ tells us nothing.

Also, it’s unfortunate that your supposed strength that you are touting as a civilian has basically resulted in 2 mislynches thus far.

I dunno DDL, I just feel like you’re trying to justify not taking hardline stances so that you don’t get blowback and suspicion when you’re wrong, and it feels like it’s coming from a carefully plotted place

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:42 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:35 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:16 am Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:25 pm Just came out of shower where I was thinking, what if the scum trio is something like, Scotty/SVS/Jack

And the entirety of town except for me has just NOPE'd out of this game, while scum is just bidding their time now, waiting to reach parity while they waste time with me.

Scary thought. Though in that case I may as well give up lol.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:41 pm Scotty thinks I’m town. Kinda funny

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:42 pm Not only am I lock town but we can solve this game in mere seconds

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:46 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:41 pm Scotty thinks I’m town. Kinda funny

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:42 pm Actually wait

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:42 pm Not only am I lock town but we can solve this game in mere seconds

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

I can't deny some fine comedy.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 10:50 pm I fell asleep, Costco trip postponed until tomorrow. Meanwhile, if you made an anonymous post, now is a good time to claim it

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 10:51 pm Wolves know who the serial killer is

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 10:51 pm aha I have just read about the serial killer

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 5:40 am OK, I'm not voting Scotty.

Porscha, Lily and Roxy are (ironically?) all at about the same tier for me. They have all read town to me at various points, but I'm having problems putting them into a clear "No Vote" list.

Lily came into the game like a breath of fresh air, but ever since Roxys reaction post, she hasn't had any real thoughts outside of Roxy, voted for her with no discussion, or attempt to engage with anyone who might disagree with her.

I reread Porscha, and her whole personality this game seems to be not understanding why Michelle is getting sus, or defending Michelle from being lynched. That can come from truly townreading someone or from TMI. At one point she said that she found Michelle a bit townier than in Avengers, whereas I found her a bit wolfier than Avengers, where she was bad. So still on the fence here. This was her entire discussion of Roxy before wanting *frantically* to wagon her at EOD:

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 3:22 am

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 12:05 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:31 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 6:23 pm I haven’t dissected end of day- I must admit that I thought day ended when I last posted and left for a show thinking that was that. My time zone is now corrected.

Falcon going wasn’t a terrible pick, I guess. I don’t think I would have gone against that as a choice in the moment. We had no reason to believe him to be the effing cop. So that sucks. I’ll look into people’s reasons later.

Still don’t like Roxy’s vanity vote at the time. I’m not inclined to think [VOTE: jack] aubergine is a bad one to start on today

scotty do you know exactly what the vc was when roxy made that vote btw? I was thinking about that too

Yes. This was the vote right before she voted.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:21 pm Vote totals
2-2-2

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Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
fingersplints
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
2
22%
Voters: Long Con, Scotty
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
2
22%
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
2
22%
Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, Michelle
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None

The thing is, she so nakedly placed a vanity vote that even the habitants of Mars knew what she was doing. Is that too wolfy to be wolfy? This sequence in particular was a quandary:

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:20 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:52 am Bleh. Jack is saying things that I agree with as I finish my reread.

I need fresh eyes. I’m working on being better at D1 reads. Looking for someone that is making sense but also a bit too hedgy and friendly. Like as if I were DDL’s friend (who was supposed to view this thread) and just started reading people for the first time.

DDL would be an appropriate, like, silly serial killer. Doing enough to make original points but also not sticking his neck out. Even though he’s been my top town.

Dunno, feeling cute I guess

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Scotty, what is you doing

Funny I found the opposite inre: Jack. He is saying more words but are the adding to the game? idk and Jack's vibe and tone are a bit off for me.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 1:41 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:27 pm lol we weren’t crossposting. You came in after I left for work. Now I’m at work.

But ftr I don’t have any alarm bells going off for you.

I could still vote jack. Idk.

What do you think of DDL?

I do not feel one way or the other about Luffy. Yet.

Why are you considering voting Jack?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:30 pm Oops we did cross post, my bad. I missed this completely

Ok, so I’m not being the town leader by design. I’m just…posting. Which de facto makes me town leader because contributions across the board are minimal. It’s whatever.

Or is it? What is your stance on me then?

Agreed about your Town Leader status.

I have no stance on you as it is only D 1, that's just how I work.

Your vibe and tone feel ok thus far - how about that?

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:37 pm vote falcon

He is vibing wrong for me. Vanity vote yep.

Not feeling sig or Michelle.
Could have went with Jack but my gut says falcon.

-Jack “feels off” and actually disagrees when I start coming around on him
-asks me why I’m voting for Jack
-agrees?? About my town leader status. Don’t know what she agrees with, but vibe feels ok
-vanity wagon, even though she could have made a difference with a vote on Jack, who a few posts ago she felt off about
-peaces out

Now this was a conscious decision. If she were bad, she’s protecting Jack. So why not just lump it on Michelle or sig? It’s a pretty lame way of defending him.




This makes no sense play wise to me if she is wolf. Though it also doesn’t make sense play wise to me if she is town.

Maybe she’s just the SK lolol

I have the same opinion that lily had which was that roxy's play made very little sense, though it stayed true to her normal sense of play in that she does what she wants, it seemed like a super good way to protect a possible wolf at end of day or direct the kill elsewhere

She waffled a bit, "I don't get it, but it's normal for her, but it could also be bad" is the jist of this.

Then she replied to Roxys "WTF" reaction post. Her next Rox related post was 5 minutes before EOD when she tried to wagon onto her. TBF none of this looks any townier than Roxys vote on Falcon (which while not "towny" was NAI for Roxy, imo. It would have been townier if she had voted for me lol, but not especially wolfy in any case).

As for Roxy, as I said, her Falcon vote was NAI, her "Ewww Gross" reaction was as well, IMO. Since then, she's joined in discussion, but I haven't seen reads and I'd like to before I make a solid read there. Roxys reads can tell me alot about her.

This post felt towny Rox to me, she seems more outraged, less faux. Roxys faux outrage generally seems a bit more drama to me.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 4:14 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:39 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 1:06 pm

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Wtaf? I'm not sure if there is any reason I would find acceptable for those that followed *MY* D1 vanity vote.

It's bs. Straight up.

@Lilypetal if you find me bad *again* by all means go for it. But we both know you are wrong.
It's so easy to come in after the vote in which you never voted or posted. Judge me by a normal d 1 occurrence that I have done literally 1000's of times.

Yah you have my full attention especially since there was zero reasons given. lol

lol help? why is this such a strong backlash to the person who called you out on something that doesnt make you look towny (regardless of whether you are or not, you have to admit it doesn't make you look *good*) and then also deflecting onto the people who followed you lol

hey, you guys wouldn't follow me off a cliff would you??? that makes YOU the bozos! not me, who went off the cliff first, of course xd

You have completely ...I just can't. Firstly - Calling anyone bozos is wrong.
You implying it is something I said makes me feel like I just got slimed.

Talk about who is having a strong reaction and it isn't me. lol

But yes this vote is ai for me. You've seen me make similar votes many times as both town and bad.
I feel it is OK for me to find and point out what I find suspicious just fine for *my* game.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:49 pm look forward to any responses to me !

I do however like what you were saying about the vote on Michelle. To tbh that is where I world have probably voted.

I need to see these three develop. As siad before, I don't particularly suspect them, but I don't find much towny past initial impressions.

I don't like voting low posters in general when there are suspicions to be had, and I tend to find others who do sus. Based on meta, I think sig would be much more active if he were bad, I just do. But that's gut, not concrete. TSP has started talking, and in general I'll never vote to yeet him for inactivity.

This leaves me with Jack and DDL.

I haven't understood DDL all game, he's constantly shifting stances, when anyone points out an inconsistency to him, he has a plausible reply at the ready. It's hard to pin down an opinion from him. Slick, or willing to consider all sides? Hard to tell.

He has some thoughts that almost seem to come from a place of TMI, then he has a plausible sounding explanation for them.

My thoughts on Jack are more complex; I reread him, and the impression I had of him was not quite what I had recalled. He had more varied opinions than I had thought, and was more varied. I want to reread him again today. The main impression I had of him before rereading was the Scotty = SK theory, which while I don't agree with it, I do think even making it made him look townier. If I were bad, and the baddies DO actually know who the SSK is, I would not be making any SSK cases unless I was pretty sure I could get them chopped, and chopping Scotty would be a hard sell.

Like Day One, I'll have to vote around an hour before EOD at the latest cause commuting. I'll be able to follow but likely won't be posting much.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 5:54 am P.S. And that's where I waffle on Jack; if he knows who SSK is, and makes a case on NOT SSK, he looks better if he manages to get the case flipped. Whenever i read one of my own posts about Jacks theory, I see the flaws in my own opinion of it, which is why he's in this category, not up top with Scotty.

I could totally see this both ways. When I read him, I see he said he's having computer issues. I hope he gets that sorted. I personally don't think he's the sort to hide behind made up excuses, and since he's taking votes I hope he is able to get back (although I am sure DDL will move his, lol).

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:01 am I mean tbh I haven't played much but to say my focus has only been roxy is a little weird. I just think I haven't focused much on anything and Roxy looks like scum so my vote is there.

My eod2 was trying to save a villager and work with a villager to save herself, for example.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:38 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:42 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:35 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:16 am Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Weird that you don’t think LC’s role matters. If he really were motion detector, that opens up the game because we know there’s no vig or jailkeeper.

If he checked you, or anyone, I feel like he would have at least hinted in some capacity. I don’t see it.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:52 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:38 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:42 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:35 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:16 am Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Weird that you don’t think LC’s role matters. If he really were motion detector, that opens up the game because we know there’s no vig or jailkeeper.

If he checked you, or anyone, I feel like he would have at least hinted in some capacity. I don’t see it.

I do think it mattered and I do think he hinted. I think he was motion detector and he checked me night 1. I said this. I <3 you but I wonder that we both are speaking English.

@Dragon D. Luffy i hope it wasn’t me who said it. The shift away from that word happened while I was on 5 year break, so I’m sure I’ve slipped a few times.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:36 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 5:37 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 5:33 pm Another possibility is that the SK and the mafia double shot LC.

Yeah, that’s why I say probably. But I dunno, that’s highly random. If you could correctly pick one of those messages from the night before and link it to LC, then glory be.

Also, based on the fact that LC didn’t seem to understand the message mech, I doubt he submitted one N1. So he had to be exactly the motion detector. But that’s also absolutely random. I think it more likely he was just VT

Which actually just gave me a thought- what is the penalty for not submitting a quote? Because if there ISNT a penalty, VTs can just..not submit and the SK can’t kill them. Unless I’m reading something wrong.

New touchpad is bigger than the last one so I keep accidentally "clicking" into the middle of posts while typing. I will adjust.

I think there's exactly one post that was kinda obvious who it came from and I think it came from LC. I think LC not knowing how the mech worked meant he made an obvious post, not that he made no post at all. In fact, I think LC's post last night is even more obvious.

That said, I think that we're in the world where there is a motion detector and neighborizor, not the world with the jk and the vigilante cause the vigilante still hasn't been shot.

That said, I don't think both the mafia and sk hitting LC (very likely) would cause two "LC is dead" messages. I think there's one real flip, two mafia lies and LC being like "I died and I was the glue that held us all together lololol."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:40 am (I no longer think it particularly matters me pointing out LC's message from Wilgy on account of 1 - its just one post and 2 - the silly serial killer probably used it to shoot LC anyway so I'm not telling them anything they don't already know. I'm under the impression that the "I'm Sig Freud" post from N1 was also from LC but I could be wrong. If I'm wrong, telling the serial killer this doesn't eliminate any possibilities for nk because LC is already dead.)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:57 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:02 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:05 pm that said wolf jack is pretty agenda-y

I spy an agenda for you:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:38 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:19 pm Gonna get host clarification on if the sk winning means they leave the game or they end the game.

If they leave, it’s arguably not worth yeeting them. If they win, we absolutely must.

Host message inconclusive.

Suppose the serial killer ends the game if he wins. It is good for the serial killer to not confirm this. Largely bad for the town and wolves because they could have their win stolen by EON2. In fact, if the town is dumb and allows themselves to be sniped by the sk, that would be unfair to the wolfteam to lose this way, having not been caught or having had the ability to prevent the silly sk from making their kills.

Suppose the serial killer leaves the game if he wins. It is bad for the serial killer to not confirm this. It prevents the town from seeing a serial killer that has one kill (granted, harder without knowing if the vigilante exists but eventually we know one way or the other) and saying that letting the serial killer get another kill = one town kill and yeeting the serial killer = giving up a day = one town kill (from the wolf nk) so why fucking bother hunting for or yeeting the sk?

Overall, I think we're more likely to be looking at a serial killer who leaves the game when and if they make their wincon. However, the serial killer is basically anticlaim and anticlaim. It'd be nice to remove that. I'm also against 3Ps that can skate to victory because the town shrugs but that's more of a game theory hosting kinda dislike. In game, I'm going to pursue my wincon and not yeet a 3P that I think it isn't in the town's best interest to eliminate just because I think games generally should motivate me to do so.

I'd be more likely to just shrugyeet Scotty if we didn't have better options. As is, I townread less than half the game and I'd feel super stupid if I was wrong about this and we yeeted Scotty and even if I'm right about this, there's a fair chance we just like...don't let Scotty get kills. He doesn't know who the mafia is. He can't purposely lead us astray. He may help find wolves by accident or in an attempt to convince us he's not the serial killer. Or you know because he's actually a townie and looking for wolves. wowee.jpg

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:55 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 7:10 am Being the loudest voice in the thread is not a great idea for an SK in general, more so here, and i know Scotty knows how to fade back in a towny looking way. Be a memorable thread presence without being a thread leader, I saw him do it in Lasso.

So even if he is the loudest voice in the thread, he's also not tunnelling anyone. Not even you, who he's voted for twice now. I don't see why the baddies would be targeting him, unless they were YOU, and I seriously doubt you would be that obvious. Also if you were the baddie who tried to kill him I doubt you would float this ^^ either. So this post bumps you up for me.

So yeah, this is possible, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I won't be voting on him based on it. Every night just post the most innocuous message, "No one died" "Everyone died" etc. Everyone claim Vanilla. I plan to worry about SSK when and if they manage to kill someone, and who that someone is. Until then, I'm hunting baddies.

And I would expect Scotty to continue doing the same.

But that's exactly what I mean. Scotty is acting like the serial killer. The serial killer must not get yeeted and wait for town to claim or be obvious from their messages. That is their only goal. Seem too townie? They draw the mafia nk and that doesn't matter to them because they don't care if they lose their vest 99 times out of 100 and they don't care if the wolves miss their kill because the chances of winning via parity vs just getting two kills in.

So Scotty is not actually pushing anyone but me, a known skilled wolfplayer and difficult to misyeet townplayer and his push on me is limp and unthreatening. He's not in danger of wolfJack or wolfanybody feeling threatened and killing him. He's not in danger of misyeeting me and looking bad for it. It's treading water. Scotty didn't get nked because wolves felt threatened. He got nked because much of the playerbase was inactive and like five ppl went "Yeah, Scotty is townie," which is well more than anybody else. Pretty sure every other active player besides Scotty and DDL got some kind of suspicion leveled against them and since this game is based on the idea that DDL is playing mafia for the first time in forever, I don't think the wolves shoot DDL N1. Ergo, they shoot Scotty.

I realize I'm arguing that Scotty got nked for being townie and is not town for not being townie at the same time but you gotta look at the nuance.

Anyway, enough of that because I wanna yeet a wolf and I've spent too much time looking at a player I don't want to yeet.

Talk about a full smear campaign to discredit the witness, your honor.

1. This entire conspiracy theory is predicated on the theory that mafia attempted to kill me N1 and thus I must be the SK. This entire premise was then validated by SVS and DDL. Regardless of their affiliation, it boils down to a full conspiracy theory based on absolutely nothing. It’s as if the acknowledgement of myself and others that a JK exists isn’t as sexy as a full page taken out in the Daily Enquirer talking about how I eat children for breakfast.

I don’t, by the way; they’re more of a midafternoon snack. But I digress.

No, he’s setting my up with enough doubt that once we get down to…oh…maybe now in numbers, or if we had already caught a mafia, the real push can happen. Because no one else seems to suspect Jack, and he’s down to “shrugyeet” me if there aren’t any better options.


2. Talk to me more about how you maybe tried to kill me and now have to find ways to make me dead. It could even be that you fully believe I AM the silly SK. But, again, the JK theory is less likely because… ???

3. Talk about some hubris. Yes, I once again seem to the be only one that is gunning for you. Does that really make it look better for me if you get misyeeted? If there’s anyone in this game that is trying to affix a label of town leader, it’s you. I’m in no way trying to be a leader, but I’m feeling more and more inclined that I am just right about you. And if I’m wrong, that’s….not a good look for me lol

I'm not reading your colored whatever at the bottom.

Jack has the agenda to find the serial killer, a role that prevents claiming, can kill townies and must leave the game for town to win. Heavens to betsy there's no way town Jack would have an agenda like that.

Actually, wait, I am reading it cause it could matter for you.

1) The theory isn't based on nothing. It's based on me, Porscha and YOU all saying you should have been the N1 kill and then SVS and DDL (I'm just taking your word for it there, I don't remember this happening) agreeing and then you limply pushing me all game. It's a decent theory based on a lot of evidence, even if its wrong.

2) I'm not wolfagenday pushing you. I haven't once said "we should yeet Scotty." I haven't once voted for you. I asked the host a question and came to the conclusion that we DON'T necessarily have to yeet the role I think you are.

3) I'm not discrediting you. I've flat said that the sk can help find the wolves (though mostly on accident or out of habit because the sk isn't motivated to find wolves or not find wolves). Even if I'm 100% right that you're the serial killer, that doesn't make anything you say a lie. I've not said we should ignore you. It's not my fault you discredit yourself by only pushing me in a way that is easy to ignore. If you're town, you could easily fix that by like...doing anything else.

Like...nothing here convinces me I'm wrong or makes me want to change strategy wrt your slot and nothing in here ought to make anyone else change their opinion about my alignment, either.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:59 pm Can we stop talking about dead ppl plz.

I havent counted but I suspect there have been more posts on dead people this day than living ones.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 10:06 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 10:52 pm Thrilling stuff yall, keep it up

It doesn't matter a whole lot yet (especially if the sker got one of the two kills needed in LC) and it's not outside of Scotty's scum abilities to do this but I do think Scotty like 12 posting by himself looks more townie than sk (or wolfy).

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 10:39 am I'd appreciate @Scotty @Dragon D. Luffy @S~V~S 's takes on Lily's D2, particularly wrt her reaction to the votes on her. I found it wolfy but I need a second opinion because nobody else seems to think so and I wanna know why I'm wrong or for ya'll to stop ignoring that take.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:38 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:11 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 4:18 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 12:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 12:03 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:56 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:45 am I don't trust people who believe in their own reads.

Either they are mafia, or newbies. Or magical scumhunting gods who can extract people's alignments by looking at their eyes (ie Dunya).

Most people can barely get a success rate a little better than rand, with a lot of effort. I guess I'm just very aware of that myself.

That's pretty mean tbh.

What’s mean? Honest question.
Do you therefore trust people that don’t believe in their own reads?

Riding the line on every player gives no info besides that you are blending in. Of course no one is going to be right all the time. But as Wayne Gretzky once said, ‘You miss every mafia read you don’t make’ or something like that

I mean I do make a point to vote every day.

I just don't say "I think A is scum because X and Y", because I know deep inside myself, that X and Y are made up bullshit. They are often made up tells that don't actually work, and confirmation bias. Lots and lots of confirmation bias. I have a long experience in writing stuff like that and watching them flip town. Over and over. Michelle was almost another case of that.

So I am honest. I'm not sure about anyone's wolf status. I don't know any effective methods to tell what other people are thinking. I don't know if you are lying or not. I don't have any suspects I'm confident in.

I have hunches, I have PoEs, and I'm good at pointing out contradictions, which do happen but are rare. I'm decent at mech strategy. I have feelings about people, which are hard to explain because they are feelings. And I really enjoy exposing bullshit from other people, starting wagons randomly and creating chaos when I feel like things are stale. Those are my strengths as a townie, whatever they are worth. Having precise reads on people ain't it.

I'm sorry, but I'm just too honest with myself to keep lying to myself that I can actually do this. I know I can't.

While there’s something to be said of not feeling confident in your views, to say that the reasons you suspect people are, deep down, ~bullshit~ is something I can’t fathom. And of course it’s confirmation bias. If it weren’t, you would have some form of ironclad info.

Scenario (if you are town):
We’re going rock climbing. I need a belayer to hold me when I toprope high in the air. You probably don’t feel confident, but you’ve watched videos of how it might go.
You could say (A): {Hey, I’ve never done this before but I watched a video of how to tie the knot and stand for balance, so let’s go for it}
Or you could say (B): {I could maybe hold you, but maybe I can’t because I only saw a video}

I’m always going to put my trust in person A. Even though they’re not experienced, they at least have the reasoning laid out as to why it might fail, but they’re projecting confidence. And sure, you might drop me, but at least we all gave it the old college try.

Relating it to this game, if you’re this guy, I have no trust in your reads, because you might as well not have any. If you were to flip town, we’re not following any pushes or reads you’ve made, because you just don’t have any. It’s a lose-lose.

That’s if you’re town.

“I have feelings about people, which are hard to explain because they are feelings. And I really enjoy exposing bullshit from other people, starting wagons randomly and creating chaos when I feel like things are stale. Those are my strengths as a townie, whatever they are worth. Having precise reads on people ain't it.”

Feelings are fine, but that word salad post you made of 4 people equating to basically ‘meh’ tells us nothing.

Also, it’s unfortunate that your supposed strength that you are touting as a civilian has basically resulted in 2 mislynches thus far.

I dunno DDL, I just feel like you’re trying to justify not taking hardline stances so that you don’t get blowback and suspicion when you’re wrong, and it feels like it’s coming from a carefully plotted place

I literally give no fucks whether you want to believe in what I say or not.

Im here to be myself, and myself only. My playstyle is what I enjoy doing, not what helps town wins games. If you guys can't understand my points, get google translator or something. Or don't. I literally don't care.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:43 pm You think I took a two year break because I was enjoying playing this game?

From now on I'm only approaching mafia from an extremely selfish perspective. I'm here to enjoy myself. Not to help other players win or lose. If I don't have fun, I'm out.

And pretending to have reads I don't believe in strongly isn't fun. So down with that.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:45 pm Also stop saying "lynch" please. It's racist.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 4:26 pm I wanna yeet Jack just so he can stop bragging about beiing immortal.

@Scotty wanna make a truce and yeet the guy?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 1:41 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:45 pm Also stop saying "lynch" please. It's racist.

Sure, old habits.

I had a very conscious switch to ‘yeet’ after that word was brought to light and I have since reverted, so apologies.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:58 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:52 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:38 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:42 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:35 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:16 am Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Weird that you don’t think LC’s role matters. If he really were motion detector, that opens up the game because we know there’s no vig or jailkeeper.

If he checked you, or anyone, I feel like he would have at least hinted in some capacity. I don’t see it.

I do think it mattered and I do think he hinted. I think he was motion detector and he checked me night 1. I said this. I <3 you but I wonder that we both are speaking English.

@Dragon D. Luffy i hope it wasn’t me who said it. The shift away from that word happened while I was on 5 year break, so I’m sure I’ve slipped a few times.

It was Scotty, sorry for the lack of quote.

I normally don't get on people's cases for that kind of thing, but I'm already pissed at Scotty for the rather thugish way he has been casing me this game, so screw it.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 2:39 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:58 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:52 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:38 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:42 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:35 am

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Weird that you don’t think LC’s role matters. If he really were motion detector, that opens up the game because we know there’s no vig or jailkeeper.

If he checked you, or anyone, I feel like he would have at least hinted in some capacity. I don’t see it.

I do think it mattered and I do think he hinted. I think he was motion detector and he checked me night 1. I said this. I <3 you but I wonder that we both are speaking English.

@Dragon D. Luffy i hope it wasn’t me who said it. The shift away from that word happened while I was on 5 year break, so I’m sure I’ve slipped a few times.

It was Scotty, sorry for the lack of quote.

I normally don't get on people's cases for that kind of thing, but I'm already pissed at Scotty for the rather thugish way he has been casing me this game, so screw it.

Thuggish, eh?

No one listens to me anyway. Not much of a thug if I seem to hold no gravitas over anything.

I dunno, it feels like I say things, others just shrug it off and we go back to yeeting randos.

So if there’s anyone that should be pissed, it’s me

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 2:22 pm

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 1:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:57 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:02 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:05 pm that said wolf jack is pretty agenda-y

I spy an agenda for you:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:38 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:19 pm Gonna get host clarification on if the sk winning means they leave the game or they end the game.

If they leave, it’s arguably not worth yeeting them. If they win, we absolutely must.

Host message inconclusive.

Suppose the serial killer ends the game if he wins. It is good for the serial killer to not confirm this. Largely bad for the town and wolves because they could have their win stolen by EON2. In fact, if the town is dumb and allows themselves to be sniped by the sk, that would be unfair to the wolfteam to lose this way, having not been caught or having had the ability to prevent the silly sk from making their kills.

Suppose the serial killer leaves the game if he wins. It is bad for the serial killer to not confirm this. It prevents the town from seeing a serial killer that has one kill (granted, harder without knowing if the vigilante exists but eventually we know one way or the other) and saying that letting the serial killer get another kill = one town kill and yeeting the serial killer = giving up a day = one town kill (from the wolf nk) so why fucking bother hunting for or yeeting the sk?

Overall, I think we're more likely to be looking at a serial killer who leaves the game when and if they make their wincon. However, the serial killer is basically anticlaim and anticlaim. It'd be nice to remove that. I'm also against 3Ps that can skate to victory because the town shrugs but that's more of a game theory hosting kinda dislike. In game, I'm going to pursue my wincon and not yeet a 3P that I think it isn't in the town's best interest to eliminate just because I think games generally should motivate me to do so.

I'd be more likely to just shrugyeet Scotty if we didn't have better options. As is, I townread less than half the game and I'd feel super stupid if I was wrong about this and we yeeted Scotty and even if I'm right about this, there's a fair chance we just like...don't let Scotty get kills. He doesn't know who the mafia is. He can't purposely lead us astray. He may help find wolves by accident or in an attempt to convince us he's not the serial killer. Or you know because he's actually a townie and looking for wolves. wowee.jpg

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:55 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 7:10 am Being the loudest voice in the thread is not a great idea for an SK in general, more so here, and i know Scotty knows how to fade back in a towny looking way. Be a memorable thread presence without being a thread leader, I saw him do it in Lasso.

So even if he is the loudest voice in the thread, he's also not tunnelling anyone. Not even you, who he's voted for twice now. I don't see why the baddies would be targeting him, unless they were YOU, and I seriously doubt you would be that obvious. Also if you were the baddie who tried to kill him I doubt you would float this ^^ either. So this post bumps you up for me.

So yeah, this is possible, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I won't be voting on him based on it. Every night just post the most innocuous message, "No one died" "Everyone died" etc. Everyone claim Vanilla. I plan to worry about SSK when and if they manage to kill someone, and who that someone is. Until then, I'm hunting baddies.

And I would expect Scotty to continue doing the same.

But that's exactly what I mean. Scotty is acting like the serial killer. The serial killer must not get yeeted and wait for town to claim or be obvious from their messages. That is their only goal. Seem too townie? They draw the mafia nk and that doesn't matter to them because they don't care if they lose their vest 99 times out of 100 and they don't care if the wolves miss their kill because the chances of winning via parity vs just getting two kills in.

So Scotty is not actually pushing anyone but me, a known skilled wolfplayer and difficult to misyeet townplayer and his push on me is limp and unthreatening. He's not in danger of wolfJack or wolfanybody feeling threatened and killing him. He's not in danger of misyeeting me and looking bad for it. It's treading water. Scotty didn't get nked because wolves felt threatened. He got nked because much of the playerbase was inactive and like five ppl went "Yeah, Scotty is townie," which is well more than anybody else. Pretty sure every other active player besides Scotty and DDL got some kind of suspicion leveled against them and since this game is based on the idea that DDL is playing mafia for the first time in forever, I don't think the wolves shoot DDL N1. Ergo, they shoot Scotty.

I realize I'm arguing that Scotty got nked for being townie and is not town for not being townie at the same time but you gotta look at the nuance.

Anyway, enough of that because I wanna yeet a wolf and I've spent too much time looking at a player I don't want to yeet.

Talk about a full smear campaign to discredit the witness, your honor.

1. This entire conspiracy theory is predicated on the theory that mafia attempted to kill me N1 and thus I must be the SK. This entire premise was then validated by SVS and DDL. Regardless of their affiliation, it boils down to a full conspiracy theory based on absolutely nothing. It’s as if the acknowledgement of myself and others that a JK exists isn’t as sexy as a full page taken out in the Daily Enquirer talking about how I eat children for breakfast.

I don’t, by the way; they’re more of a midafternoon snack. But I digress.

No, he’s setting my up with enough doubt that once we get down to…oh…maybe now in numbers, or if we had already caught a mafia, the real push can happen. Because no one else seems to suspect Jack, and he’s down to “shrugyeet” me if there aren’t any better options.


2. Talk to me more about how you maybe tried to kill me and now have to find ways to make me dead. It could even be that you fully believe I AM the silly SK. But, again, the JK theory is less likely because… ???

3. Talk about some hubris. Yes, I once again seem to the be only one that is gunning for you. Does that really make it look better for me if you get misyeeted? If there’s anyone in this game that is trying to affix a label of town leader, it’s you. I’m in no way trying to be a leader, but I’m feeling more and more inclined that I am just right about you. And if I’m wrong, that’s….not a good look for me lol

I'm not reading your colored whatever at the bottom.

Jack has the agenda to find the serial killer, a role that prevents claiming, can kill townies and must leave the game for town to win. Heavens to betsy there's no way town Jack would have an agenda like that.

Actually, wait, I am reading it cause it could matter for you.

1) The theory isn't based on nothing. It's based on me, Porscha and YOU all saying you should have been the N1 kill and then SVS and DDL (I'm just taking your word for it there, I don't remember this happening) agreeing and then you limply pushing me all game. It's a decent theory based on a lot of evidence, even if its wrong.

2) I'm not wolfagenday pushing you. I haven't once said "we should yeet Scotty." I haven't once voted for you. I asked the host a question and came to the conclusion that we DON'T necessarily have to yeet the role I think you are.

3) I'm not discrediting you. I've flat said that the sk can help find the wolves (though mostly on accident or out of habit because the sk isn't motivated to find wolves or not find wolves). Even if I'm 100% right that you're the serial killer, that doesn't make anything you say a lie. I've not said we should ignore you. It's not my fault you discredit yourself by only pushing me in a way that is easy to ignore. If you're town, you could easily fix that by like...doing anything else.

Like...nothing here convinces me I'm wrong or makes me want to change strategy wrt your slot and nothing in here ought to make anyone else change their opinion about my alignment, either.

Question to you (and I guess *anyone*):

If I were the target N1, why weren’t there any messages that said ‘Scotty has died, he was ____’?

Obviously mafia leaned into that strategy N2. But n1 ONLY had ‘no one died’ and ‘SVS has died, she was vig’

Isn’t that….weird?

I agree it's weird but occam's razor is mafia didn't think of it.

Though a corolary of that is mafia isn't super active in scumchat. Cuz like, if this is a scumchat with the likes of Mac and Epi, that and all the other 20 possibilities for night messages have already being discusses by EoD1.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:48 pm Ok Jack looks a bit better. Hes casing and I can see where hes coming from.

Lily - 1
Roxy - 2

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[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:46 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:41 pm Scotty thinks I’m town. Kinda funny

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:42 pm Actually wait

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:42 pm Not only am I lock town but we can solve this game in mere seconds

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

I can't deny some fine comedy.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 10:09 pm [VOTE: roxy] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 10:50 pm I fell asleep, Costco trip postponed until tomorrow. Meanwhile, if you made an anonymous post, now is a good time to claim it