The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:41 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:37 pm She's saying it's handpicked because the player sends in the role, so Mac knows who it is if he constructs particular roles into particular teams.

Oh.

Before the game began I actually believed there'd be a good chance I'd end up on a mafia team, or at least non-civilian, because of the role I submitted. I didn't envision Mac specifically selecting JJJ for such an alignment, but the role I selected. And if all the selected roles are mixed up in a cauldron and extracted for alignments, they don't necessarily have to be attached to the submitting player as Mac is building the game.

We know now that it was all randomized. I couldn't be confident of that though until I saw my own civilian alignment. dunya, I don't think you had the same luxury because Lizzy the cat does not imply any kind of morality or alignment posture.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:10 pm I believe the roles are randomised simply because I believe they should be. Handpicking player alignments is a kind of taboo for me as a host. I have no problems with dunya's view on it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:20 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:10 pm I believe the roles are randomised simply because I believe they should be. Handpicking player alignments is a kind of taboo for me as a host. I have no problems with dunya's view on it.

I agree that they should be. That doesn't mean it's completely obvious that they are. Do you disagree with that?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:26 pm Out of baseless expectation, yes. "It should be, therefore it is." dunya is not being unreasonable. And from her posts she's not stopping you from pushing the alternative either.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:26 pm Out of baseless expectation, yes. "It should be, therefore it is." dunya is not being unreasonable. And from her posts she's not stopping you from pushing the alternative either.

I don't care about any alternative being pushed or not pushed. I just care about a player knowing more than she should. She knew way more than she should about the Hellenic League and nobody called it out. I'm here to fix that this time.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 2:45 pm jay going after me, the most vocal in the thread, on day 0....and breaking his monotonous roleplay....is probably civ jay tho.

he probably hated me calling him lame for choosing an easy role that makes one intentionally apathetic to the game. like how he hated me for calling his detective work in seinfeld weak and going after me for it. these little silly things make jay an angry jay bear. it's fun.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:35 pm Hey, I have reads.

dunya
3j

golden

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:36 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:35 pm Hey, I have reads.

dunya
3j

golden

GenuQuin.

(gets lynched)

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:37 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:36 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:35 pm Hey, I have reads.

dunya
3j

golden

GenuQuin.

(gets lynched)

Quinfoil
GenuQuin
Quindar

These will sure be added to the Syndicate dictionary with time.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:39 pm Roles that can kill should start doing it right away. Like immediately upon reading this post if you can do it. I'm not going to be able to keep up with a 300 page thread by the time I get out of work tomorrow so we better thin the ranks now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:37 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:36 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:35 pm Hey, I have reads.

dunya
3j

golden

GenuQuin.

(gets lynched)

Quinfoil
GenuQuin
Quindar

These will sure be added to the Syndicate dictionary with time.

I'm responsible for those second two I think. The first one is genius.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:40 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:39 pm Roles that can kill should start doing it right away. Like immediately upon reading this post if you can do it. I'm not going to be able to keep up with a 300 page thread by the time I get out of work tomorrow so we better thin the ranks now.

this

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:26 pm Out of baseless expectation, yes. "It should be, therefore it is." dunya is not being unreasonable. And from her posts she's not stopping you from pushing the alternative either.

I don't care about any alternative being pushed or not pushed. I just care about a player knowing more than she should. She knew way more than she should about the Hellenic League and nobody called it out. I'm here to fix that this time.

Is this your interpretation of her argument or do you have posts you can pull that tell you this?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:32 am second of all, what the explicit does your character have to do with your actual role? mac built roles for every character but where you're scum or town is always randomized on here so the argument "my character looks so townie" is moot.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 3:39 pm I already told wolbre that characters we chose =/= alignment.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 7:14 pm i wrote it off because mac uses a randomizer. why are you trying to distract us into theorizing about whether mac handpicked scum teams? eh no thx. that's lame. mother teresa could be on the scum team for all i care and i'm not budging from that. if you're so concerned about it, why don't you push that conversation into the thread? why are you acting like i'm silencing you? it's ridiculous.

i don't buy your arguments. i don't buy your logic. i don't buy your fake outrage. you're a bad bullshitter. but pls consider that a compliment cos you were an amazing townie last game.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:03 pm dude, what are you smoking? is it the weekend in new zealand already?

i simply dismissed your theory that "you're squeaky clean" cos of your "super duper town sounding role". you're bitter about it, obviously, but that won't help me change my mind.

i told you Mac would randomize that shit. handpicking is the lamest poop on earth, if it's not a player draft, and i refuse to play a game where people were specifically chosen into their alliances. sorry, not sorry. that's a crappy way to determine luck and chances. you're set on proving that you picked a town role that can never not be town, under any circumstances, and you don't think that sounds bad? like, put yourself in my shoes, and imagine i was doing what you're doing right now.

theorize about it all you want, with people who agree with you. i'm not wasting my time on that. and stop acting like i'm bulling you into silence. you're free to say whatever the hell you want and i'm free to disagree with you as much as i like.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:36 am yea, my human slave has known mac for 8 years and she says he's batshit crazy so it actually sounds like something he could do...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:14 pm Dear Diary,

It's been four days since we left Colorado. And there's still a stretch ahead of us on the road. Our time in San Diego was rough, and now San Fransisco is before us.

Shark has been tough throughout the years, but the years have been weighing on him. I hate to say that about anybody, but a lefty like me can knock someone like Shark around if he gets sloppy.

DJ is hurt, but I think we'll get along okay. We've got Nolan and Trevor. The wind is blowing out about 19mph. I know that doesn't mean much here in San Fran, but we're going to try to make it work for us all the same.

Wish us luck.

XOXO
Charlie

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:42 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:40 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:39 pm Roles that can kill should start doing it right away. Like immediately upon reading this post if you can do it. I'm not going to be able to keep up with a 300 page thread by the time I get out of work tomorrow so we better thin the ranks now.

this

Disagreed.

Even if you can't keep up. Give everyone a chance to meme.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:42 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:26 pm Out of baseless expectation, yes. "It should be, therefore it is." dunya is not being unreasonable. And from her posts she's not stopping you from pushing the alternative either.

I don't care about any alternative being pushed or not pushed. I just care about a player knowing more than she should. She knew way more than she should about the Hellenic League and nobody called it out. I'm here to fix that this time.

Is this your interpretation of her argument or do you have posts you can pull that tell you this?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:32 am second of all, what the explicit does your character have to do with your actual role? mac built roles for every character but where you're scum or town is always randomized on here so the argument "my character looks so townie" is moot.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 3:39 pm I already told wolbre that characters we chose =/= alignment.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 7:14 pm i wrote it off because mac uses a randomizer. why are you trying to distract us into theorizing about whether mac handpicked scum teams? eh no thx. that's lame. mother teresa could be on the scum team for all i care and i'm not budging from that. if you're so concerned about it, why don't you push that conversation into the thread? why are you acting like i'm silencing you? it's ridiculous.

i don't buy your arguments. i don't buy your logic. i don't buy your fake outrage. you're a bad bullshitter. but pls consider that a compliment cos you were an amazing townie last game.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:03 pm dude, what are you smoking? is it the weekend in new zealand already?

i simply dismissed your theory that "you're squeaky clean" cos of your "super duper town sounding role". you're bitter about it, obviously, but that won't help me change my mind.

i told you Mac would randomize that shit. handpicking is the lamest poop on earth, if it's not a player draft, and i refuse to play a game where people were specifically chosen into their alliances. sorry, not sorry. that's a crappy way to determine luck and chances. you're set on proving that you picked a town role that can never not be town, under any circumstances, and you don't think that sounds bad? like, put yourself in my shoes, and imagine i was doing what you're doing right now.

theorize about it all you want, with people who agree with you. i'm not wasting my time on that. and stop acting like i'm bulling you into silence. you're free to say whatever the hell you want and i'm free to disagree with you as much as i like.

Apparently Mac is a predictable host. He falls into obvious cookie-cutter tendencies.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:36 am yea, my human slave has known mac for 8 years and she says he's batshit crazy so it actually sounds like something he could do...

Er.

Okay.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:47 pm I would say Mac is chaotic neutral. If Macdougall is the host, I'd think he'd tweak alignments to avoid an overwhelmingly powerful team. But this is also a bastard game through and through. I don't think he'd bother because of that. Do you?

The coloured is why I suspect Golden, by the way. I also felt him trying to buddy me earlier.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:52 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:47 pm I would say Mac is chaotic neutral. If Macdougall is the host, I'd think he'd tweak alignments to avoid an overwhelmingly powerful team. But this is also a bastard game through and through. I don't think he'd bother because of that. Do you?

The coloured is why I suspect Golden, by the way. I also felt him trying to buddy me earlier.

I don't care what Mac would or wouldn't do. That doesn't help us solve. He already told us he randomized.

What I'm trying to get across is that dunya had no reason to be so certain that Mac randomized before he told us that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:55 pm Dear Diary,

Off to a GREAT start.

XOXO
Charlie

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:54 pm What do you have to say about Golden, Jimbo?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:55 pm So @JaggedJimmyJay myJay you're implying she had some *naughty* help coming to that conclusion?

I mean we're obviously dealing with a sociopath here. Would she make the same misyaje twice?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:59 pmShe'd make the same mistake twice if she didn't realize it was a mistake the first time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:57 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:54 pm What do you have to say about Golden, Jimbo?

Very little. I had some mild suspicion of him stemming from his interaction with Colin.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 11:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:57 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:54 pm What do you have to say about Golden, Jimbo?

Very little. I had some mild suspicion of him stemming from his interaction with Colin.

What exactly in his interaction with Colin piqued your scumdar?

Also, what do you make of Colin from the same interaction?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 11:46 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 11:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:57 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:54 pm What do you have to say about Golden, Jimbo?

Very little. I had some mild suspicion of him stemming from his interaction with Colin.

What exactly in his interaction with Colin piqued your scumdar?

Also, what do you make of Colin from the same interaction?

I felt their argument was more semantic than substantive, and Golden's accusations that Colin was misrepresenting him fell flat with me.

I have no issue with Colin to this point.

What are your own reads on both?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:20 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:15 pm I feel good about Kyle's contributions. I was worried he'd be burned out, but I feel like I have the real Kyle here with us atm.

Not Burnout. :\ Mario Party 6.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 7:04 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:50 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:47 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:42 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:20 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:15 pm I feel good about Kyle's contributions. I was worried he'd be burned out, but I feel like I have the real Kyle here with us atm.

Not Burnout. :\ Mario Party 6.

I know you're up to something whimsical, this is me biting early.

Turnip Head... do you want to play a game?

can I play, too? :o

you can but you'll have to wait your turn, i didn't bring enough controllers

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 12:15 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 7:04 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:50 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:47 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:42 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:20 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:15 pm I feel good about Kyle's contributions. I was worried he'd be burned out, but I feel like I have the real Kyle here with us atm.

Not Burnout. :\ Mario Party 6.

I know you're up to something whimsical, this is me biting early.

Turnip Head... do you want to play a game?

can I play, too? :o

you can but you'll have to wait your turn, i didn't bring enough controllers

>Mario party
>only 2 controllers

Golden wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 7:08 pm People can make all the reads they want.

What I see from dunya is an unwillingness to let other strong personalities drive the town narrative.

In particular, the 'you pick your role, not your affiliation' line that she's trotting out multiple times is terrible. I've pointed out to her how you can use your choice of role to influence your likely affiliation, and she wrote it off with a dismissal. For a town player who asks a lot of questions, that ought to have been a feast for thought and an avenue for genuine consideration and prodding.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:10 pm I am entertaining dunya and Golden as being on opposing mafia teams.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:42 pm But I would like more input re: wolbre and the alleged Boobquest please and thank you.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:51 pm

Mac wrote:10. I will probably not reveal the roles and alignments of the deceased. Haven't decided yet. I might with lynches only.

Just saw this. Janitored kills are bad enough, please don’t leave lynches blind too. It’s what I crave

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 12:11 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:20 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:15 pm I feel good about Kyle's contributions. I was worried he'd be burned out, but I feel like I have the real Kyle here with us atm.

Not Burnout. :\ Mario Party 6.

Underappreciated joke here

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 12:15 am>Mario party
>only 2 controllers

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:56 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:41 pm I've never played a bastard game before to my knowledge so I really don't know what goes and what doesn't in them, btw.

Basically, roles that could be called “bullshit.”

Vig that can take out three players in a night, goon that’s part of a mason team, cops that only get “mafia” results, etc.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 12:33 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:51 pm

Mac wrote:10. I will probably not reveal the roles and alignments of the deceased. Haven't decided yet. I might with lynches only.

Just saw this. Janitored kills are bad enough, please don’t leave lynches blind too. It’s what I crave

Lol rip this game if there's no reveals on a random set of roles

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 12:44 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 12:33 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:51 pm

Mac wrote:10. I will probably not reveal the roles and alignments of the deceased. Haven't decided yet. I might with lynches only.

Just saw this. Janitored kills are bad enough, please don’t leave lynches blind too. It’s what I crave

Lol rip this game if there's no reveals on a random set of roles

You are also in trouble now.