The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:09 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:27 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:25 pm jjj/Mac for most coordinated mafia fight of the year award
This sounds fake and it’s the first thing I think about Tony’s alignment.
As in I don’t believe JJJ and Mac are w/w? Of course not but it’s funny
I think JJJ is town, while I'm most skeptical about Mac still trying to mislynch me despite losing multiple town games by doing that.

actually think Mac is more likely town with a fetish to mislynch inactive townies rather than hunting actual scum.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:09 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:06 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:05 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:04 pm I don't remember anything towny from Tony either.
What do you remember?
TSP is putting more effort to be townread this game.

Atleast earlier.

Did TSP fail? Why aren't you voting him if he's insincere?

Why do have to be asked a million questions?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:11 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:59 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:28 pm Dragomir, Creature seems authentic to me. I am going to fully reassess everyone later though. Something feels off about the “consensus” and I need to explore that.
K I solved the game. If Tony/sprit flip town lynch Jay/creature.

If I didn't know my alignment I would assume this excludes a Jay/me team.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:11 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:06 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:58 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:57 pm Why are you nerds voting for creature all of a sudden lol??
He seems kinda genuine sometimes but, like, so what. Very little hunting exists. It should be addressed.
Spoiler: scum is well aware they'll be suspected if they don't fake hunting.
I don’t care about this. I don’t give handout reads. I’ve seen so many effortless mafia in my life so your spoiler is meaningless. Please do things and I’ll see how I feel.
Yep, but many of the effortless mafia can do enough to look like they're doing something and fly under the radar while town goes for the more inactive.

They don't disappear abruptly, they don't come up with excuses all the time.

They do exactly those things all the time.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:13 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:11 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:06 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:58 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:57 pm Why are you nerds voting for creature all of a sudden lol??
He seems kinda genuine sometimes but, like, so what. Very little hunting exists. It should be addressed.
Spoiler: scum is well aware they'll be suspected if they don't fake hunting.
I don’t care about this. I don’t give handout reads. I’ve seen so many effortless mafia in my life so your spoiler is meaningless. Please do things and I’ll see how I feel.
Yep, but many of the effortless mafia can do enough to look like they're doing something and fly under the radar while town goes for the more inactive.

They don't disappear abruptly, they don't come up with excuses all the time.
They do exactly those things all the time.

Oh well, that's definitely not strategic.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:14 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:09 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:27 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:25 pm jjj/Mac for most coordinated mafia fight of the year award
This sounds fake and it’s the first thing I think about Tony’s alignment.
As in I don’t believe JJJ and Mac are w/w? Of course not but it’s funny
I think JJJ is town, while I'm most skeptical about Mac still trying to mislynch me despite losing multiple town games by doing that.
actually think Mac is more likely town with a fetish to mislynch inactive townies rather than hunting actual scum.

Who are the "inactive townies" Mad is trying to lync?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:14 pm**

*Mac

*MadMac

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:16 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:14 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:09 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:27 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:25 pm jjj/Mac for most coordinated mafia fight of the year award
This sounds fake and it’s the first thing I think about Tony’s alignment.
As in I don’t believe JJJ and Mac are w/w? Of course not but it’s funny
I think JJJ is town, while I'm most skeptical about Mac still trying to mislynch me despite losing multiple town games by doing that.
actually think Mac is more likely town with a fetish to mislynch inactive townies rather than hunting actual scum.
Who are the "inactive townies" Mad is trying to lync?

Me and good chances sprityo

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:17 pm**

Thanks. I'll consider in the morning. When I am SOBER.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:18 pm**

I'm fucking tired.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:18 pm**

I'm trying to do something atleast useful, but I may run the risk of easily being a jerk here.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:20 pm**

[mention]Creature[/mention] do you suspect Epignosis?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:20 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:18 pm I'm trying to do something atleast useful, but I may run the risk of easily being a jerk here.

Do your thing. I’ll be the jerk for you.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:21 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:18 pm If one of my town reads is off, it’s probably Creature. That entry would be lame in a trustfall exercise

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:33 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:28 pm I just voted for one.
As I continue reconsidering things I find myself leaning that way. What’s your greatest Creature beef?
Failure to contribute to gamesolving at all.
Sure valid.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Quite mad JJJ changed his read on me like this

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:21 pm**

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:22 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:20 pm @Creature do you suspect Epignosis?

May or may not, though I just assume he's town until he happens to be scum. I still gotta see that.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:22 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:21 pm [VOTE: Rej] aubergine

Did Rej seem initially excited for the game?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:23 pm**

Ugh, I see no future for my mafia career rn

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:24 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:04 pm "This is my only game rn so I can put double tge efgort this game" - Creature

"Yawn this game makes me feel lazy" - Creature

Yep, I failed.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:25 pm**

Anyone else worried about Jack?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:26 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:21 pm [VOTE: Rej] aubergine
Did Rej seem initially excited for the game?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:27 pm**

Damn phone

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:27 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:25 pm jjj/Mac for most coordinated mafia fight of the year award

I was literally thinking the same thing lol.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:28 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:21 pm [VOTE: Rej] aubergine
Did Rej seem initially excited for the game?

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:07 pm Wow sorry guys I totally missed the start of this game, I will catch up soon I promise. I will just go sleep now... count me in to fully play then!

I guess you could call it delayed/projected excitement. So no?

Why do you ask?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:29 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:04 pm "This is my only game rn so I can put double tge efgort this game" - Creature

"Yawn this game makes me feel lazy" - Creature

I'm pretty sure this actually makes Creature town.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:32 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:22 pm Rej is basing his own opinions on people based on what other people say about them. He doesn't have a vote on the board. He's acting like a politician. Mafia. Lynch. Go.

That's how Rej plays the game.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:32 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:22 pm Rej is basing his own opinions on people based on what other people say about them. He doesn't have a vote on the board. He's acting like a politician. Mafia. Lynch. Go.
That's how Rej plays the game.

Does it make him a civilian?

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:36 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:25 pm Anyone else worried about Jack?

Me.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:36 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:23 pm Ugh, I see no future for my mafia career rn

I see a bright future. You’ve a frankness and a perceptiveness that can take you far if you give yourself the chance. I saw your other game too. Getting past the despair/apathy is all you need to master.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:37 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:32 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:22 pm Rej is basing his own opinions on people based on what other people say about them. He doesn't have a vote on the board. He's acting like a politician. Mafia. Lynch. Go.
That's how Rej plays the game.
Does it make him a civilian?

In a way, yes. I don't recall his scum play very well, only his town play and him being a politician fits the meta.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:41 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:32 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:22 pm Rej is basing his own opinions on people based on what other people say about them. He doesn't have a vote on the board. He's acting like a politician. Mafia. Lynch. Go.
That's how Rej plays the game.
Does it make him a civilian?
In a way, yes. I don't recall his scum play very well, only his town play and him being a politician fits the meta.

Alrighty. I’d like to see what Rej has to say.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:57 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:00 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:25 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:18 pm If one of my town reads is off, it’s probably Creature. That entry would be lame in a trustfall exercise
Jay: Mac going after Sprityo is lousy cause lhf.

Also Jay: What if Creature is bad?
1) Creature is not low-hanging fruit if numerous players read him as civilian.

2) sprityo can be bad anyway, whatever. Consistency is meaningless
Plink plink plink
It’s a neat analogy, but applying it here is nonsense. My reads in this mess are the opposite of Plinko. I am all over the place
...I must still misunderstand the plinko thing bc I thought that's basically what it meant and what jack is pointing out

It means all over the place in an unnatural sounding way I suppose.

Like when Jay shifts his reads on me, you, Mac, Creature, etc suddenly.

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:07 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:27 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:25 pm jjj/Mac for most coordinated mafia fight of the year award
This sounds fake and it’s the first thing I think about Tony’s alignment.
As in I don’t believe JJJ and Mac are w/w? Of course not but it’s funny

Basically yeah.

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:13 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:57 pmIt means all over the place in an unnatural sounding way I suppose.

Like when Jay shifts his reads on me, you, Mac, Creature, etc suddenly.

That is close to the opposite of Plinko. It would be a terrible guideline if it was that.

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:19 am**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:36 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:25 pm Anyone else worried about Jack?
Me.

Let's see if the plinko ball bounces this way.

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:31 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:19 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:36 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:25 pm Anyone else worried about Jack?
Me.
Let's see if the plinko ball bounces this way.

Fake solving is like a Plinko board. Yes, there's movement, but it's like... discreet steps, and it's always moving towards just a couple outcomes. An individual movement might look somewhat fluid, but if you look at the whole board, it's easy to see how structured and rigid it really is.

Credit to Newcomb for the fun Price Is Right analogy. If you're going to invoke it though you need to know what it is!

I still think Jack looks fine.

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:34 am**

Okay fine. Your shifts look unnatural and that's bad without being plinko.

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:35 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:34 am Okay fine. Your shifts look unnatural and that's bad without being plinko.

They often do. I shift with reckless abandon. I go from full-blast suspicion to total trust on a dime. It's something I take pride in. Ask Golden.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:29 am Of course it's playing with fire. JJ, you have a great ability to turn completely on someone's alignment in a second.

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:48 am**

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention], could you gimme some quick gun-to-head reads on everyone?

-Creature
-Dragomir
-Epignosis
-Jackofhearts2005
-JaggedJimmyJay
-Long Con
-MacDougall
-nutella
-Rej
-sprityo

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:48 am**

I read all of that. I might have comments on the morning. Creature is Town is the tldr but I already told you that so

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:51 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:00 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:25 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:18 pm If one of my town reads is off, it’s probably Creature. That entry would be lame in a trustfall exercise
Jay: Mac going after Sprityo is lousy cause lhf.

Also Jay: What if Creature is bad?
1) Creature is not low-hanging fruit if numerous players read him as civilian.

2) sprityo can be bad anyway, whatever. Consistency is meaningless
Plink plink plink
It’s a neat analogy, but applying it here is nonsense. My reads in this mess are the opposite of Plinko. I am all over the place
...I must still misunderstand the plinko thing bc I thought that's basically what it meant and what jack is pointing out
It means all over the place in an unnatural sounding way I suppose.

Like when Jay shifts his reads on me, you, Mac, Creature, etc suddenly.

I'd make the argument that that's a good thing.

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:53 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:48 am TonyStarkPrime, could you gimme some quick gun-to-head reads on everyone?

-Creature
-Dragomir
-Epignosis
-Jackofhearts2005
-JaggedJimmyJay
-Long Con
-MacDougall
-nutella
-Rej
-sprityo

Since you asked
town
scum
sort out
sort out
sort out
sort out
town unless with Nutella
scum
scum
town

I have no current interest in reading the top three sort outs and LC has no posts

“But that’s not the point of GTH”
“Well I gave you three scum so I guess town town town but I legitimately have very few thoughts”

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:53 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:29 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:21 pm Like i said, mac wanted to hop to it so i'll eat my hat before i let him take a stroll over my entire torso
I don’t doubt it. Why did you list me on the trusted side in your reads?

I felt inclined you wanted to have a good time and not be standard JJJ, thus so you are a civilian because i dont believe it's in your character to try new things as mafia

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:55 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:53 am I have no current interest in reading the top three sort outs and LC has no posts

“But that’s not the point of GTH”
“Well I gave you three scum so I guess town town town but I legitimately have very few thoughts”

Thanks. No surprises. I'll ponder.

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:55 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:45 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:13 am If anyone needs a reason to vote for sprityo just read his iso and ask yourself whether his reads are pro town.
my reads are anti mac

So is your entire game. It's like you don't care abouy anything but fighting with me.

Meanwhile I have angles playing out with several people and I am the one with votes.

Oh well.

it's certainly a fun game, no doubt, but here's to hoping i can move past it once day 1 is over

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:56 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:47 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:57 pm The best way to get a read on Long Con is to solidify reads on everyone else. POE is the only way to do anything with inactive players.

I think TSP and sprityo are suspects, but for me it’s more about the absence of civilian indicators than a presence of mafia indicators. Long Con has no civilian indicators either and is accordingly a suspect.

I don’t think he’d even be blank anymore in my rainbow. He’s orange by virtue of numerous others being green. There are only so many slots.
nice 180, jackass

i'll be returning this sticker now

i didnt want your grubby handouts anyways :suspicious:
You're the one being a jackass

im not denying it

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:01 am**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:11 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:59 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:28 pm Dragomir, Creature seems authentic to me. I am going to fully reassess everyone later though. Something feels off about the “consensus” and I need to explore that.
K I solved the game. If Tony/sprit flip town lynch Jay/creature.
If I didn't know my alignment I would assume this excludes a Jay/me team.

I don't understand what you mean by this but I rescind it anyway bc your posts tonight have once again solidified you as town in my eyes. Jay on the other hand I could vote for. Still comfortable on Tony though.

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:09 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:43 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:54 pm You gave him a "naw." Why's that?
He has hardly done anything, and none of it stands out to me. I will think about what you’ve said.

I’m putting Mac back in the naughty pile. There is dissonance there.
Yes because I have two votes on me from at least 1 civilian so there is a chance of mislynch. I've seen this dance before.
I don’t believe that sprityo is the guy civilian Mac is lynching right now.
Why would I not want to lynch sprityo jay?

1. I hated his intro post.
2. He has done nothing but bait me.

my last thing i'm quoting mac, on.

Do you believe i have the capacity, the actual knowledge and experience to bait you? even at a modest level?

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:11 am**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:13 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:08 pm I'm finally available and there's nobody to talk to. Brilliant.
I’m looking around for your Rej beefs. I remember you said something
It was in the course of finishing my post from last night.

Rej said this:

Rej wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:15 am I find the votes at Mac interesting, after he received some good townreads. After looking at sprityo's Iso:
From the first first posts on they tunneled Mac and threatened him with a kill. Sounds like a challenge/bait. Feels like some personal stuff. I don't know how anyone of them profits from this if they would be scum. Still I can't get a civillian sprityo in my head right now.

Rej wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:18 am Epignosis also did not receive any civillian reads from my side, so the wagon on Mac is the most suspicious thing I have seen yet in this game lol.
This was when I voted Mac and sprityo followed. I'd like to hear what anybody else has to say regarding this.

The total votes on mac at that time had no bearing whether i was going to vote him. Hence why im still parked here now

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:21 am**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:08 pm [Mafia] don't disappear abruptly, they don't come up with excuses all the time.

This statement is in fact false, if not impossible to prove.

Jack, Myself, and Rej had a minimal played game and we won Sockville Penitentiary

I literally didn't show up until day 3 (not because i didnt want to but still)

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