Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
The first circle represents the dark forces with an "s" written backwards - Epi , JJJ, nutella, sprit
The “Mac makes up bullshit” one, probably.sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:01 am I'm liking svs posts.
Dom/sab hasn't done much yet, but they're here so would like to see more there.
Not liking Mac's lack of explanation on reads, but I seem to remember that's how he's been playing recently.
I also didn't see anything that bad with nutella. She seems to be playing her normal day one self.
I need to read over Jack, his tone/style does seem a bit off. But, not necessarily mafia behavior. What is this known Jack scum tell he's displaying?
Exactly! It’s fake af. She’s not voting me because she thinks I’m evil. She’s voting me to defend herself.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:09 am
the first one into the second one is crucial for the next pointnutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:57 pmare you like, reading from a clipboard? seriously what is this?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:56 pm Specifically, Nutella is showing waffles, wim and opportunism.
[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine
what have you done with jack??
would you actually be this obvious tho??
[VOTE: jack] aubergine
the amount of doubt she's presenting, yet still voting for Jack is scummy. feels like a really fake engagement and i read it as parroting of what nanook was doing with sig. it doesn't read as natural as nanook's frustration with sig.
she doesn't even know what she's being voted for and she starts the questioning only after placing a vote
ew
it reads really fake and staged up, the moment nutella points something that i actually am not seeing from jack and then instantly voting him the next post is bad.
The dark forces need to be brought down
As someone who has been playing with nutella for over 10 years (with some hiatuses [hiatii?]) I don't think she sounds fake. I think considering the back and forth Jack and she have had in many games, her thoughts on him sound pretty genuine.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:09 am
the first one into the second one is crucial for the next pointnutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:57 pmare you like, reading from a clipboard? seriously what is this?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:56 pm Specifically, Nutella is showing waffles, wim and opportunism.
[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine
what have you done with jack??
would you actually be this obvious tho??
[VOTE: jack] aubergine
the amount of doubt she's presenting, yet still voting for Jack is scummy. feels like a really fake engagement and i read it as parroting of what nanook was doing with sig. it doesn't read as natural as nanook's frustration with sig.
she doesn't even know what she's being voted for and she starts the questioning only after placing a vote
ew
it reads really fake and staged up, the moment nutella points something that i actually am not seeing from jack and then instantly voting him the next post is bad.
The dark forces need to be brought down
Per the rules,Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:03 amNo joke. Made a bunch of progress on my dwarf campaign in Total Warhammer yesterday.
Unfortunately, I’m unlynchable and obvious town so I’m not going anywhere until a mafia says so.
Indeed I am in Europe at GMT+2 so I am absent in the most active time of the game for americans. And I am working too in day time, but I usually say it itt.juliets wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:15 am Wow so much posted last night/this morning. I just now caught up and don't have much time before work but I will spend some more time with this after work.
@tedxtr in the post you just made that shows a picture of the vote (I think) it's too small for me to see what you've written in. Can you walk through it in text?
I don't know what to make yet of @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME. I have a bad feeling about him but I think it's stemming from the fact that so many of his posts seem like he's irritated and I don't know that "irritated" is AI in his case. JJJ posted some links to him in other games which I need to take a look at after work.
@Jackofhearts2005 you said you think @nutella is bad because of Wim and opportunism (and the waffle part but you explained what you meant by that). I've always had a problem with this whole "opportunism" thing - can you point to an example in her posts? Also, what is it about her WIM that pings you?
I noticed someone (can't remember who) commenting on the fact that Michelle was not around posting last night as a bad thing because as a civ she usually posts a lot and is around a lot. If I'm remembering correctly she is not around at night because she is is in a timezone that puts her in bed when it's still early in the states. I'm not saying I lean town on her, I haven't seen enough.
I hope this afternoon to at least give some town leans though I struggle early with reads especially in a two mafia set-up. I should be back between 2:00 and 4:00 EST.
Lots of linki I didn't read.
Jesus Christ....S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:37 amAs someone who has been playing with nutella for over 10 years (with some hiatuses [hiatii?]) I don't think she sounds fake. I think considering the back and forth Jack and she have had in many games, her thoughts on him sound pretty genuine.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:09 am
the first one into the second one is crucial for the next pointnutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:57 pmare you like, reading from a clipboard? seriously what is this?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:56 pm Specifically, Nutella is showing waffles, wim and opportunism.
[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine
what have you done with jack??
would you actually be this obvious tho??
[VOTE: jack] aubergine
the amount of doubt she's presenting, yet still voting for Jack is scummy. feels like a really fake engagement and i read it as parroting of what nanook was doing with sig. it doesn't read as natural as nanook's frustration with sig.
she doesn't even know what she's being voted for and she starts the questioning only after placing a vote
ew
it reads really fake and staged up, the moment nutella points something that i actually am not seeing from jack and then instantly voting him the next post is bad.
The dark forces need to be brought down
But what I DO find yucky is this post:
Per the rules,Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:03 amNo joke. Made a bunch of progress on my dwarf campaign in Total Warhammer yesterday.
Unfortunately, I’m unlynchable and obvious town so I’m not going anywhere until a mafia says so.
10. Character claiming, roleclaiming and infodumping are illegal. You may say whatever you like in BTSC.
Plus this just reads like the classic baddie "valuable civvie" ploy (it used to have a spiffy name, but I forget what it was). "If you try to lynch me, you will be sorry." More than anything else you have said, this post makes me think you're bad, and you weren't King of my Shining Civvie Hill before this post.
[VOTE: Jack] aubergine for now, it may change, but this post is like a "HI! I'M BADDIE McBADDERSON" nametag in my eyes.
Too early of a reveal.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:25 amThe thought came into my brain, so:
I looked at The Wire (town) and you were less complete sentency and Arrowverse (mafia) and you were more complete sentency.
Kind of same tbh. I don't really understand the from feeling good to not movement because of a joke. I don't know if I need to understand it, or how much this was a thing.
Relatable content.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:10 amSometimes looking at something from the corner of your eye allows you to see more. /deep thoughts
This was like exactly when I just thought "Omg, Nutella is really funny. Why do I ever sign up for games without Nutella?" *hard buddies Nutella*
This is the real me, mom!
I'm triggered.
What's your fixation on 3p? It's the second time you've mentioned it (jokingly) now. Tsk tsk.
Kind of don't like this post. I know the perspective of "it's good to be read town" can also be a town thing (and I agree, town should want to be read town), but I think scum is generally more focused on it.
Uh, “champion”!ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:08 am I am here, will catch up and post thoughts later today.
This post smells bad.G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:31 am Orange, aggedJimmyJay? I make three posts, and that’s enough to land me in orange instead of neutral gray?
In a way, I guess I see it, what with the diarrhea-of-the-mouth-inducing playstyle you and others prefer. You have offended me, sir, and now I intend to bury myself in the deepest red of your rainbow reads so that I may ignore your demands for more content.
agree.
Why should I not vote for someone named Nanook?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:05 am I’m Mafia when I engage, I’m mafia when I disengage
You’re not interested in reevaluating, so there’s no point continuing to talk to you about it.
Let's lynch this guy.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:46 am Jesus Christ....
My role isn’t unlynchable.
I, Jackofhearts2005, am unlynchable as a player. I have been playing mafia for 14 years and been mislynched like 5 times total.
i'm flattered that you all have adopted my mannerisms as mainstream. i'm a cultural icon for this site.
I’ve served a wolf up on a silver platter.
I’m never ever getting lynched today. We’re always lynching Nutella and she’s always flipping wolf.
I’m unlikely to move my vote today (especially to a player I’ve mostly see play 3p) but talk to me about Radish anyway.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:26 am I for one hate looking terrible but I'd rather lynch radish
So this whole thing.. I don't agree with Sig that trying to form town cores or just players you trust more or whatever is a bad thing. For me it's the best way I know how to play the game. But also, I'm unsure Sig would say that so upfront if scum? It's like "Don't make town reads, guys!" when he also is making town reads. That kind of contradiction strikes me more town stress than scum. If I was to guess.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:35 pm Yeah heaven forbid we have a town core, what would we do then
I had just skimmed lightly parts of the game up to this point. I liked Michelle's entrance of shading the vanilla choosers (even if the argument itself is meh). I think scum!Michelle is more careful. It's light as hell and mostly gut. Michelle and Tony are two players I've been decent at reading in the past, and they both gave more town vibes than not when looking at their posts.
I read this when skimming too. Curious as to why you think so.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:49 pm Sloonei and dizzy both have high mafia equity, but low teammate equity, thus killing one will tell us more about the other as they’re in a non-mechanical 1v1 dipole.
That’s my quota of Serious Mafia Terms for the day, you’re welcome.
I love you.
Weren't you literally scum in the last game I played though? Which also might've been forever ago, who knows. Anyway, you might be town actually. But I still don't know why you're so occupied with 3p. Also, who cares. You're giving a lot of content and it's useful anyhow. =p
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:44 amWeren't you literally scum in the last game I played though? Which also might've been forever ago, who knows. Anyway, you might be town actually. But I still don't know why you're so occupied with 3p. Also, who cares. You're giving a lot of content and it's useful anyhow. =p
that game was forever ago.And this thing. Honestly, I think "baddie" is a real unique word, and I've never seen it used outside of Cindy Kate. I've never adopted it myself (because it's seeeelly). So I don't think the question from S-V-S or hangup from Sig is weird at all. Do I think it's alignment indicative for Radish? Nope. People adopt or do not adopt words for all kinds of reasons. The brain is too complicated and there's too many steps of assumptions to get anything from it. But I do flinch every time someone who doesn't know me calls me "Dizzy" for example. (Though I encourage everyone to call me Dizzy, please.)NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:53 pm Yeah who could possibly use the word baddie
Then I don't understand why you asked at all?
Sure, valid, whatever =p
I was fine with SVS asking it after they clarified it was NAI curiosity rather than pushing it as a slip, but pushing it as a slip is bad. It’s a fairly generic term and it’s literally in the OP.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:49 amAnd this thing. Honestly, I think "baddie" is a real unique word, and I've never seen it used outside of Cindy Kate. I've never adopted it myself (because it's seeeelly). So I don't think the question from S-V-S or hangup from Sig is weird at all. Do I think it's alignment indicative for Radish? Nope. People adopt or do not adopt words for all kinds of reasons. The brain is too complicated and there's too many steps of assumptions to get anything from it. But I do flinch every time someone who doesn't know me calls me "Dizzy" for example. (Though I encourage everyone to call me Dizzy, please.)NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:53 pm Yeah who could possibly use the word baddie
I think Sig's follow up on S-V-S looks more town concern than not. Also the way he tagged certain players to get opinions.
Then I don't understand why you asked at all?
Not great. I get the feeling that his presence is a bit flashy/comes across as performative. It's something I've seen with experienced players that they want to be a bit edgy/go against the grain give the impression that they are confident and have nothing to hide when they are scum. Compensating. Like when they asked "are we all seriously reading into ice cream flavors" (<-- from memory, might not be exact) or something like that. I don't know if I explain this right, but "performative" is what comes to mind and it feels not great.
I mean, that's fine. I agree it's NAI or at least too uncertain. But what does it say about Sig and S-V-S and whoever else was involved? That is much more interesting and relevant. Just arguing "that is stupid" isn't really getting us anywhere imo.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:53 amI was fine with SVS asking it after they clarified it was NAI curiosity rather than pushing it as a slip, but pushing it as a slip is bad. It’s a fairly generic term and it’s literally in the OP.
So are you scum that is mad Sig reads you as scum for what you think is bad reasons? Cause it kind of look like that.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:03 pm You don’t have a case
Like your read is literally “I’m SRing MR for bad reasons, like 4 people said they were bad but nanook was the most derisive about it, so he must be scum.”
You SR me every game and think it gives you a good read, but you have zero idea what my town game looks like.
It says nothing about SVS. Normally it would say sig is likely town.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:56 amI mean, that's fine. I agree it's NAI or at least too uncertain. But what does it say about Sig and S-V-S and whoever else was involved? That is much more interesting and relevant. Just arguing "that is stupid" isn't really getting us anywhere imo.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:53 amI was fine with SVS asking it after they clarified it was NAI curiosity rather than pushing it as a slip, but pushing it as a slip is bad. It’s a fairly generic term and it’s literally in the OP.
You caught me too? Oh man I really suck at thisDyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:57 amSo are you scum that is mad Sig reads you as scum for what you think is bad reasons? Cause it kind of look like that.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:03 pm You don’t have a case
Like your read is literally “I’m SRing MR for bad reasons, like 4 people said they were bad but nanook was the most derisive about it, so he must be scum.”
You SR me every game and think it gives you a good read, but you have zero idea what my town game looks like.
Hmmmmmaybe.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:29 pm Also jay the fact that I’m playing at all during D0 despite having stated I wouldn’t be (we see how long that lasted!), should be a fairly good indicator I’m town. I don’t feel the need to get sucked in quite as much as scum.
Do you have a town game of yours here that you could link to? (Or elsewhere, preferably the last one)NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:00 amYou caught me too? Oh man I really suck at this
What make you compelled to town read me at this point exactly? Just curious as I'm just now starting to play for real.
Bless.
But if you're town, developing your own reads and engaging honestly with people in order to figure out their alignment would be more productive, I think. For example, I've asked you why you thought I had scum equity. Is that something you feel moved to follow up? Other reads?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:51 pm I’m probably wasting my time talking to sig now tho, it’s clear he doesn’t super care about whether he’s right or not. Either people will be smart and see that this is stupid, or I’ll have wasted yet another game attempting to play and being killed for it. Either way I’m gonna have more fun not taking this seriously, so I would mostly expect sarcasm and memes
I've noticed Nut following quite a bit. Like "Yes, and..."Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:56 pm Specifically, Nutella is showing waffles, wim and opportunism.
[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine
Ok, I feel this.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:01 am I hate multiball btw it’s such a pain trying to figure out if someone is town or scum that’s scum hunting.
SaltJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:13 am SVS probably town as well. I have too many townreads for a multiball game.
Sig, Michelle, Jay, SVS, Sloonei, Ted, Sprityo. probably in about that order.
