The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:43 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:38 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:36 pm The more relevant reason to TR me is that I actively defended him instead of bussing

Why's this a reason to TR you? Falcon wasn't a goner, he could still have been saved.

I very rarely openly and actively defend partners

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:45 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:26 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:38 am do we have to lynch in alison/seanzie? Seems really stupid js

we don't.

go on.

Up until this post, Quin has expressed fairly harsh suspicion of Seanzie, both the post about garnering sympathy above as well as a later post where they argue that Seanzie and BK are wolves together. Yet they seem to believe that Seanzie should not be exed here.

@Quin Can you elaborate on this post a little more?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:54 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:46 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:47 pm there is a difference between saying 'i am not going to answer these questions because...' and not interacting with you.

as an aside, just about everything i've read in the seanzie v alison thing has been from your posts. i don't have the time to review it from alison's.

i'm not voting for either of you today.

to be honest, i'm just looking for an excuse not to lynch the birthday boy. please say things that aren't about alison tonight.

Pretty weak reason to avoid voting for someone you were harsh on earlier.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:48 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:49 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:43 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:41 am You wanna know why I'm not bothering to respond to your points? Because I don't need to defend myself against you. You're scummy and everyone knows it. You're trying to bait me into a long drawn out anti town thunderdome, but what you don't understand is that I have no reason to bite. Right now you are butt naked pants on head neon sign flashing mafia, which means I don't have to listen to a word you say, just bury you. Even if you somehow convince the town that I am mafia and get me exed I know this player list well enough to know that you're most likely a goner afterwards, and 1 for 1 with enough evidence to expose your whole team afterwards is a perfectly fine trade in my book.

Would you bet your life on me being mafia? Because I am okay with that. Flip me today, if Alison is okay being flipped tomorrow after I turn up town.

and my townread just went down the proverbial. it's day 1. nobody is going to take you up on this offer. offering to lynch yourself provides nothing of value and only serves to lure in sympathy.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:42 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:21 am Have some takes I want to sleep on. Be back tomorrow.

you told seanzie you didn't want to create a thunderdome or whatever, but he did it anyway. like, im actually kinda sick of reading your name in the thread at this point.

i don't like the suicide bombing thingn either, but i don't believe scum does this. do you believe scum does this?

Kindly elaborate on your progression here. You start from throwing away your Seanzie townread because he asked to be exed, and then later on said that it was a towntell.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:51 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:23 pm okay it's 5:20 and i am still awake and that makes me sad so

i'm caught up.

i'm not voting for alison or seanzie until i've given them both proper reading.

nobody is even talking about falcon beyond meta reads and somehow he's the lead wagon. fuck that.

[VOTE: BK] aubergine because of things i have said early on.

Very bad look for Quin. Openly discredits the falcon wagon and then pushes the counterwagon that falcon was pushing (who is probably town).

I started out my ISO without any strong suspicions of Quin, but after reading through it knowing falcon's alignment, I'm inclined to believe that Quin is a strong candidate for falcon's teammate.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:02 pm quin are you mafia you have to tell me the truth you HAVE to don't lie

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:12 pm alison is being mean to me so everything she says is invalid

sorry kyle, maybe next time

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:13 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:12 pm alison is being mean to me so everything she says is invalid

sorry kyle, maybe next time

i suppose you're right, that is how things work

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:18 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:13 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:12 pm alison is being mean to me so everything she says is invalid

sorry kyle, maybe next time

i suppose you're right, that is how things work

who are you lynching today?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:20 pm i know what you think about what other people have said, but i don't know anything about your own reads. except that lynching me is funny or something.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:20 pm i know what you think about what other people have said, but i don't know anything about your own reads. except that lynching me is funny or something.

reads and thoughts on things other people have said are synonymous aren't they?

i'm not even voting for you quin

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:34 pm also, i didn't vote for you as a joke, i voted for you to create pressure between you and Seanzie

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:13 pm I lead the wagon onto mafia and don't get night killed

the gall of the scum team

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:20 pm i know what you think about what other people have said, but i don't know anything about your own reads. except that lynching me is funny or something.

reads and thoughts on things other people have said are synonymous aren't they?

i'm not even voting for you quin

it depends. i'm not expecting you to come out with some nothing-before-heard thing, but i'm trying to figure out if you're mindmelding with other people or if you're struggling to make freshTM content.

whether you're voting for me or not doesn't really matter. even if you have spent most of the game glued to my ass.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:34 pm also, i didn't vote for you as a joke, i voted for you to create pressure between you and Seanzie

did you get what you were looking for? seanzie hasn't talked to me much. how does he factor in?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:04 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:20 pm i know what you think about what other people have said, but i don't know anything about your own reads. except that lynching me is funny or something.

reads and thoughts on things other people have said are synonymous aren't they?

i'm not even voting for you quin

it depends. i'm not expecting you to come out with some nothing-before-heard thing, but i'm trying to figure out if you're mindmelding with other people or if you're struggling to make freshTM content.

neither? or i guess the mindmeld one. if i come into the thread and see someone else putting hours of effort into figuring out i'm not going to also start doing that unless i think they seem to be wrong about a lot of things. i don't really care about creating content for the sake of creating content.

whether you're voting for me or not doesn't really matter. even if you have spent most of the game glued to my ass.

ok wait what the actual heck are you talking about here please elaborate

aside from voting for you once as a joke and once for pressure, i don't think i've grilled you with questions or anything like that, how am i glued to your ass

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:05 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:34 pm also, i didn't vote for you as a joke, i voted for you to create pressure between you and Seanzie

did you get what you were looking for? seanzie hasn't talked to me much. how does he factor in?

it's been like 2 hours that's not how vote pressure works lol

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:09 pmi mean, those are the things im referring to. t's the lack of questions to go with them that's been frustrating me a little, i guess.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:26 pm [VOTE: ts account] aubergine

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:29 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:26 pm [VOTE: ts account] aubergine

pretty 4head vote considering I was on a wolf all day yesterday

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:32 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:29 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:26 pm [VOTE: ts account] aubergine

pretty 4head vote considering I was on a wolf all day yesterday

Okay and?

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:33 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:32 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:29 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:26 pm [VOTE: ts account] aubergine

pretty 4head vote considering I was on a wolf all day yesterday

Okay and?

and I'm town

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:36 pm Do you have anything to support this rather than parking your vote on scum when they were on the hot seat?

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:51 pm c4's iso is pretty all over the place they kind of walked back on a lot of reads, hard to take anything out of that iso
I don't think it's out of the question that bussing happened somewhere but I'm giving the falcon wagon a pass for a few days

I think Ratrug and Quin look the worst looking at eod so I think I'll just park here
[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:09 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:04 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:20 pm i know what you think about what other people have said, but i don't know anything about your own reads. except that lynching me is funny or something.

reads and thoughts on things other people have said are synonymous aren't they?

i'm not even voting for you quin

it depends. i'm not expecting you to come out with some nothing-before-heard thing, but i'm trying to figure out if you're mindmelding with other people or if you're struggling to make freshTM content.

neither? or i guess the mindmeld one. if i come into the thread and see someone else putting hours of effort into figuring out i'm not going to also start doing that unless i think they seem to be wrong about a lot of things. i don't really care about creating content for the sake of creating content.

whether you're voting for me or not doesn't really matter. even if you have spent most of the game glued to my ass.

ok wait what the actual heck are you talking about here please elaborate

aside from voting for you once as a joke and once for pressure, i don't think i've grilled you with questions or anything like that, how am i glued to your ass

i mean, those are the things im referring to. t's the lack of questions to go with them that's been frustrating me a little, i guess.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:35 pm quickly went through c4's iso. He got in one mini squarrel with esooa, and maybe seanzie. Saying c4 really applied pressure is a bit of a hyperbole. Outside of these two interactions he listed them as v reads. I couldn't find a motive for him to be killed, anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:15 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:09 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:04 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:20 pm i know what you think about what other people have said, but i don't know anything about your own reads. except that lynching me is funny or something.

reads and thoughts on things other people have said are synonymous aren't they?

i'm not even voting for you quin

it depends. i'm not expecting you to come out with some nothing-before-heard thing, but i'm trying to figure out if you're mindmelding with other people or if you're struggling to make freshTM content.

neither? or i guess the mindmeld one. if i come into the thread and see someone else putting hours of effort into figuring out i'm not going to also start doing that unless i think they seem to be wrong about a lot of things. i don't really care about creating content for the sake of creating content.

whether you're voting for me or not doesn't really matter. even if you have spent most of the game glued to my ass.

ok wait what the actual heck are you talking about here please elaborate

aside from voting for you once as a joke and once for pressure, i don't think i've grilled you with questions or anything like that, how am i glued to your ass

i mean, those are the things im referring to. t's the lack of questions to go with them that's been frustrating me a little, i guess.

I don't really like this if Quin was thinking Kyle "spent most of the game glued to his ass" because of two very short votes (and actually how it is worded, the second vote isn't even being considered there... and the first vote did look like a joke). A joke vote and a lack of grilling does not equal assglue. It seems more like Quin just wants to dissuade Kyle from considering him (which sure town has motivation to avoid suspicion, but this doesn't look like Quin wants Kyle to find him as town, this looks like Quin wants Kyle to stop considering him).

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:19 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:36 pm Why is Ratrug self voting? Pretty reactionary response to Alison's shade

This doesn't look teamed with Ratrug.

Maybe I'm wrong on Rat.

@Ratrug why did you not vote at the EOD? Why not self pres?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:40 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:37 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:40 pm Went into Mikey's ISO thinking there would be more clearing material than I actually found. Huh.

Who is Mikey? I don’t know if this was elaborated on before they were killed at night

ts account.

In ordinary circumstances I would actually use this post as a reason to scumread ts account, since the one person who doubted the consensus townread on that slot was killed (over anyone on the falcon wagon, even).

But, hm, let's say that ts account/Mikey has a strong and well established meta of not bussing partners. I don't think it's within his scum range to be the first vote on falcon and hold it through the whole day until falcon dies.

Ts account again lol that is really interesting as it is the one I felt worst about yesterday. But I just said I was going to put that all on hold for the time being, and I did mean that. I think we have enough other suspects to look at who are “more likely”
I still have suspicion there though. I don’t know how they play at all to feel confident it isn’t something that would be done. And tbh when everyone thinks you wouldn’t vote a teammate early is the best time to vote a teammate early. I wouldn’t put moves like that past anyone in this game.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:59 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:58 am I liked Long Con's earlier point about Falcon45ca, but I am slightly suspicious of TS jumping onto that wagon as a sheep. It kinda implies that he has no scum-reads but apparently had enough trust in a vote-count tell to put Seanzie in a town-core. Seems like he would vote people for weak reasons (if he was independently scum-hunting and not sheeping) just as he town-cores for weak reasons but doesn't.

[VOTE: TS Account] aubergine

none of this makes any sense to me

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:59 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:59 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:58 am trust in a post-count

ebwop Inserted Note: Ebwop means "edit by way of post"

this makes slightly more sense to me

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:05 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:04 am You also did basically a carbon-copy of Nanook's sheep, just a different person being voted.

interesting that makes me feel better about both nanook and long con

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:55 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:53 pm Esooa, why does a nanook team leave you alive?

idk why any team kills c4

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:58 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:55 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:53 pm Esooa, why does a nanook team leave you alive?

idk why any team kills c4

Maybe it was because they were in the process of re-evaluating their reads while being roughly town-read.

Which would lead them being unpredictable for day 2.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:38 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:36 pm The more relevant reason to TR me is that I actively defended him instead of bussing

Why's this a reason to TR you? Falcon wasn't a goner, he could still have been saved.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:49 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:59 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:45 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:43 am Not to mention how we seemingly have different thought patterns and you always seem to get a correct read on me, and so I hope one day I might be able to do the same if we're on opposing alignments when I'm town.

So it kinda adds to this feel of "if you're scum, I would know it" idea.

Pretty townie thought.

no

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:00 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:46 am Martin and Mikey (ts account) are probably town.

i would like to know more about ts. to me, he's done the bare minimum.

Quin is not a fan of me clearing Martin and Mikey. I am pretty sure that both slots are just town - they buried a wolf D1 and neither are the kind to hard bus early. Not a good look for Quin.