Tree Mafia [GAME OVER]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

TheFloyd73 ISO

Before I reference individual posts I will say one thing: I don't think his post history looks anything like it did in Talking Heads. That could be good meta, or maybe he's just more comfortable in general regardless of role. Anyway...

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Floyd, say something game relevant please

Because this is surely game relevant.

If a tree wins a poll in the forest but nobody is around to hear it, does it get lynched?

Dinny

Opens with a little snark. I like the attitude Floyd (more in terms of your comfort level than as an actual read).

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It's clearly an omgus just without my vote on him. I pressure him, he calls me hypocritical (incorrectly) and leaves after, content with flinging his vote onto the only wagon quickly behind the first two votes.

Look at the actual posts, I make a fair analysis of the guy, and if that wasn't fair enough after his vote I explain my stance further. Why did you see why he voted for me? Because I was the wagon and he's looking for an easy place to drop dat vote? Because I totally agree

Excuse me? Am I not permitted to engage in social activities and my essential education?
That is insanely rude of you to suggest I call you hypocritical (which I didn't) and leave.

Floyd is clearly displeased with Diiny on Day 1. I don't think his reaction here is warranted, but I also don't find it suspicious. There's a distinct tone of in this post that I think can be associated with an indignant townie. It's a small point though.

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Pet Sounds Floyd posts

He got decently involved and even put up a rainbow, but on Day 1 he was pretty quiet.

Bare in mind I'm still trying to find my feet. Usually if I notice something I want to make noted, someone already beats me to it. It also doesn't help I'm on a different time zone to everyone, the "rush hour" here tends to be while I'm at school, which is pretty inconvenient when you've got teachers breathing down your back.

I believe Diiny gave Floyd some crap for making a read in this game after someone else had already made the same read. This highlighted portion shows Floyd lamenting about that very frustration well before that, and I think it reads genuinely. Diiny, what do you think of this?

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The MacDougall mega list of confirmed scum and confirmed townies

Confirmed townies;

1. Enrique
2. Zebra

Confirmed scum;

1. Diiny
2. FZ

Can't disagree with that.[/quote]

I think Floyd's brevity here rubbed some people the wrong way and I can understand why, but I don't agree. He was clearly not keen on Diiny early in the game, and Mac called Diiny a top mafia read. The other names probably aren't as important to him with that single point of agreement in mind. Floyd, you should tell me whether I'm wrong about that.

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I think Diiny is scum. I think DrWilgy most likely is but until Diiny is gone, we don't want to lynch him.

Can't disagree with that either.

At the moment, Diiny, Wilgy and FZ are on my scum radar.[/quote]

The last few things are all from the same multi-quote post brought together. This time the brevity is a bit more problematic, because we haven't been told yet why Floyd was down on FZ and Wilgy. He took stances though and named suspects. At this point I think he has already well surpassed his early output in Talking Heads in terms of depth.

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Goddammit, you've just killed the best chance for a civilian win.

Yeah, that's dramatic. I'm not quite as bugged by this kind of thing as Diiny is, but I could still do without it.

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Me too. Why can't you talk about the potential baddie influence on lynching the cop AND be interested in floyd?

Why "can't?"

Is there some restriction on me?

I'll talk about what I like. I have nothing to say about it.

I want to lynch FLOYD.

What is wrong with you? Seriously, tell me.

Anyway, another needless "last minute lynch switch" (it's got another name, I know, I can't be bothered remembering it). Diiny

Linki- I agree FZ, this game is getting pretty awful.

Floyd is referring to "CFD" here, which was discussed a bit in Talking Heads. The language here is also rather dramatic -- it's a trend in Floyd's posts. I went to Dune to compare, but I see he was part of "The Emperor" faction. Were they good? Bad? Indy? Anyway he seemed less dramatic there but still posted the same Planet of the Apes gif.

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Me too. Why can't you talk about the potential baddie influence on lynching the cop AND be interested in floyd?

Why "can't?"

Is there some restriction on me?

I'll talk about what I like. I have nothing to say about it.

I want to lynch FLOYD.

You keep saying that but you're not trying to convince anybody to do it.

Floyd doesn't give me anything to convince anybody with. What would you have me do?

His only post today is "another needless last minute switch." When was there another last minute switch?

Are you really that simple minded? It's the reason why we lost out cop!

Also dramatic. I don't know if he's exaggerating or is just flustered to be dealing with Epignosis.

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Oh, I thought he was accusing me of that but I guess he was just saying what happened generally?

In which case floyd tell me which of these votes are the most suspicious. Five to choose from.

Epi voting for me, although I think he just has a problem with me which he won't mention.

Motel's vote for Dfaraday is the one the also perplexes me.

This suggests it was the latter.

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3J defends you to the degree of making me look bad.

You call me Epi (have we ever played together to any extent?).

Now a question for you: What is this:

2. Epi has done his only clever motion this game, but still wants me exterminated.

What does that mean?

You put it on yourself, man. I have no idea what you've got against me, but whatever it is, just share it.

Am I not permitted to call you Epi? Give me a reason not to.

My statement refers to he fact that pointed out that Mac gone against his word but you still want me gone.

I'm no longer concerned about the dramatic language at least when he's talking to/about Epignosis. The "Epi" thing is a reasonable inspiration for dramatic language.

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Though the content is limited, I think he seems pretty genuine in that he is conveying earnest irritation, and that he does seem to be trying. More substantive reads would be great though.

[Diiny]

Diiny, the reason why I was so concerned about Enriques claim is because I had thought that I still had time to switch. Because of that thought, I had a good amount of time during the night to regret and think about my reaction with the mentality of "I could've done something different."

Why didn't you just say this in the first place?

[Diiny]

Floyd, man just surely not? He's looking scummy again now that he's made some posts but surely, just surely not. He can't be scum again. If we were playing roulette or blackjack I'd put all my chips on it. Chance cannot be that cruel? I think he'd have probably replaced out if he was bad again too. But, he really does look bad. Ick. Floyd please be civ and play like it if you are. Google some advice or something.

Unfortunately, I have no extremely strong feelings about anybody. My vote for now is going on Motel Room. It could go on Epignosis or DFaraday by days end unless I see a scum tell that turns out to be wrong with 15 minutes left to go and contribute to another civ lynch by lynching a town read.

The floyd paragraph is an annoying blip on an otherwise solid town game. Mac, are you admitting that you're being fallacious but that your gut still says he's not scum, or are you just genuinely relying on the gambler's fallacy here?

The latter paragraph would also annoy me but floyd then goes pretty hard on Motel which I like. I'll comment on Motel soon probably as that part of the thread comes up next iirc

[Diiny]

Here's a good reason that DFaraday is bad. He's been here but he hasn't pushed anybody for an actual reason despite being more or less caught up. He just stated two mild looks. Why wouldn't he at least ask a question in the minute he put in today so far? Why didn't he try to be civ at all?

Yeah, he looks like he's trying to look caught up rather than trying to play mafia.

[Diiny]

[Motel Room's] vote is on a scummy looking lurker right now after having a fluffy interaction with the guy on day 1. An alignment of either a) distancing or b) putting his vote on an easy out.

I liked the vote when I saw him make it tbh, I thought it was good of him to put some pressure on a lurker. It's sat there for far too long, though, and there's been very little pressure put on anyone else. Motel room is getting an iso before the day is done.

[TheFloyd73]

You put it on yourself, man. I have no idea what you've got against me, but whatever it is, just share it.

Am I not permitted to call you Epi? Give me a reason not to.

My statement refers to he fact that pointed out that Mac gone against his word but you still want me gone.

this is floyd's best post.

I wouldn't have been happy with anything but a similar response thing to Epi's comment about being called Epi, and he questions epi's stance on him as you'd expect. I'd like to see a bit more ferocity, but going on a per-post makes it better. Not that I'm condoning his low post count and that he seems to still be focusing almost entirely on himself. I doubt he'd have questioned epi if he wasn't crusading against him.

Still a scum read.

You actually make a very good point here. With my inexperienced and (self-confessed) awful Mafia skills, I do tend to focus on myself. I've done it on other games as well, I know. Epi's played in the same games as me a couple of times, so he's picked up the style of my generally awful play.

What I'm about to explain can prove Epi to be either town or scum, but what you decide it up to you.

You've got to pick up the easy meat with your eyes closed.

(I'm a Floyd fan, what do you expect?)

If Epi is scum, he's trying to rid of the easy meat (AKA me) to make a jump start on us.
If Epi is town, he's trying to rid of the easy meat (AKA me) as he assumes I'm an easy scum target.

Anyway, thanks for the compliment Diiny.

[Diiny]

He looks too bad. I know that's kind of a cop-out on my part, but I have trouble supporting the lynch of a player whose actions seem too dangerous and too overtly transparent for a baddie to make. I'm in kind of the same place with Wilgy, although in Wilgy's case his actions are pure WIFOM whereas with motel room I think I could be more easily convinced that he's more likely low-key scum than bizarre town. Time will tell.

So, this point makes me feel a lot of feelings.

On one hand I disagree with the too bad to be bad argument. On the other hand, the logic I found odd about Wilgy's wifomminess not being an issue for zeb is used kinda fluently here which makes me think it's more likely that zeb actually believes it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

motel room ISO

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And the answer is...

BECAUSE HE'S SCUM!

woo!!

If you say so.

DrWilgy

what does he stand to gain by lying right here on Day 1? Or do you think he's bussing?

I mean no offense to motel room when I say that this question seems rather dense. Whether Wilgy is town or mafia, I think it's pretty clear what benefits he might potentially enjoy as a result of his lie. It looks a bit like filler.

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We're not even 24 hours into Day 1. I don;t think a Diiny lynch was a "given" at a few hours into the game (before Wilgy's claim).

Wilgy, have you played an infodumping-allowed game before?

I think this post will be important later. Bookmark it.

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zebra, care to place a bet on me being scum? If you win, name your prize

FZ

Any other thoughts, motel room?

I will say that I agree with you that I think it's unlikely that there was a successful scum peek. I will also say that I'm considering voting for you today.

I'm mildly fond of these. I think this manner of a'ight bro well here's some suspicion out of the blue is within motel room's town boundaries.

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u first tiger

right, i'm suss of you because of your little hop away from your Diiny vote to voting Wilgy after his cop claim, to getting back on Diiny. Reads like you didn't know where to sit and now have a theory involving them both being scum.

This is probably his worst post for me; I agree with Mac that it's not great. I could understand viewing Enrique's treatment of Doc and Diiny dubiously (I did), but I don't see why switching his vote between his suspects was a crime. Townies do this all the time. This might be a manufactured attack.

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Probably gonna switch to FZ for self preservation soon

Moving to FZ for self prez and that.

Someone tell me why they're voting me when Wilgy is literally just lying and there's no such thing as a non vt peek

Pretty soon I'm gonna change my vote. Heeere goes, look..

This is a 48 hour day. Self preservation now?

Valid question.

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u first tiger

right, i'm suss of you because of your little hop away from your Diiny vote to voting Wilgy after his cop claim, to getting back on Diiny. Reads like you didn't know where to sit and now have a theory involving them both being scum.

I want to hear YOUR opinion on Diiny.

For the record, I've always been perfectly okay with a Diiny lynch. Wilgy did look more dangerous for a bit, but really, as long as we get a bad guy today there's no rush. Lynching DrWilgy is taking too big a risk atm when we know so little about what he's trying to do.

I think Diiny is scum. I think DrWilgy most likely is but until Diiny is gone, we don't want to lynch him.

edgy as it may be I'm not as certain Diiny is scum

Why are you suspicious of me like you said?

I like motel room adopting an "edgy" read because he's never been afraid to disagree with popular opinion -- it's one of his best town traits. His self-awareness is also appealing. My only question here is why motel room felt the need to announce the edgy read and its edginess.

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in the second 24 hours of today we'll surely get a sober Wilgy and I think that'll be more enlightening than the current drunk, "depressing", self-vote Dr. I still think that cop gambit was towny.

Back in RYM land on pretty sure his first game with infodumping, MP tried a cop gambit which backfired on him but he made the move as town. A new game mechanic, town tries the tricks, imo.

so here, MP, while I think I agree with you, whats different about your gambit and his, because you were part of the reason I feel Wilgy was town but you are distancing from what he's done:

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I told you the reader to bookmark the earlier post because I knew this one was coming. I think they combine to evidence a pretty solid town-inclined mindset for motel room. He had this distinct thought in mind: that MP pulled a fake red peek in [maybe] his first open setup with legal infodumping. Let's return to the bookmarked post:

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We're not even 24 hours into Day 1. I don;t think a Diiny lynch was a "given" at a few hours into the game (before Wilgy's claim).

Wilgy, have you played an infodumping-allowed game before?

On Day 1, when confronted with Wilgy's fake red peek maneuver, motel room had the presence of mind to ask him this specific highlighted question: "have you played an infodumping-allowed game before?" This means that in this moment motel room was recalling what MP did in RYM #89 (faked a red peek as a vanilla townie) and applying that memory to Wilgy's move in this game. This looks like a very real effort to get a read on Wilgy based upon real data in motel room's personal Mafia arsenal. I love it.

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Overall, there are a few moments that I'd question but I think he looks good in light of the bookmarked point. I welcome any dissenting perspectives -- I'd really like to know what MP thinks of motel room in light of this. And Diiny, since he also played in RYM #89.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I also really like that last Floyd post. If y'all gush them town tells then we can still have a chance in this mess via process of elimination.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Zebra, can you summarize why you feel my stated suspicion of Epi was opportunistic? I don't think I could have chosen a more difficult "opportunity" if that's the case -- Epi always bites back.

Epi always bites back but not always convincingly. After all, I perceived his initial vote of you to be an OMGUS with no meat behind it. I think your suspicion of Epi was opportunistic because your were making out criticisms that were not alignment-indicative to be criticisms that made Epi look bad.

You keep saying this and I am not sure there is a plausible response other than "we disagree". While those things might be more applicable to Epi than to other people (I really haven't played with him that many times), I'd find them suspicious from most players and I made my case.

If you don't think it's alignment-indicative content then fine. I did.

[a2thezebra]

You asked me to summarize what I had already said, so I did.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You asked me to summarize what I had already said, so I did.

Right, I don't mean to crap on your summary. I'm just giving the only answer I can give, so you can judge accordingly.

[MacDougall]

motel room ISO

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And the answer is...

BECAUSE HE'S SCUM!

woo!!

If you say so.

DrWilgy

what does he stand to gain by lying right here on Day 1? Or do you think he's bussing?

I mean no offense to motel room when I say that this question seems rather dense. Whether Wilgy is town or mafia, I think it's pretty clear what benefits he might potentially enjoy as a result of his lie. It looks a bit like filler.

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We're not even 24 hours into Day 1. I don;t think a Diiny lynch was a "given" at a few hours into the game (before Wilgy's claim).

Wilgy, have you played an infodumping-allowed game before?

I think this post will be important later. Bookmark it.

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zebra, care to place a bet on me being scum? If you win, name your prize

FZ

Any other thoughts, motel room?

I will say that I agree with you that I think it's unlikely that there was a successful scum peek. I will also say that I'm considering voting for you today.

I'm mildly fond of these. I think this manner of a'ight bro well here's some suspicion out of the blue is within motel room's town boundaries.

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u first tiger

right, i'm suss of you because of your little hop away from your Diiny vote to voting Wilgy after his cop claim, to getting back on Diiny. Reads like you didn't know where to sit and now have a theory involving them both being scum.

This is probably his worst post for me; I agree with Mac that it's not great. I could understand viewing Enrique's treatment of Doc and Diiny dubiously (I did), but I don't see why switching his vote between his suspects was a crime. Townies do this all the time. This might be a manufactured attack.

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Probably gonna switch to FZ for self preservation soon

Moving to FZ for self prez and that.

Someone tell me why they're voting me when Wilgy is literally just lying and there's no such thing as a non vt peek

Pretty soon I'm gonna change my vote. Heeere goes, look..

This is a 48 hour day. Self preservation now?

Valid question.

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u first tiger

right, i'm suss of you because of your little hop away from your Diiny vote to voting Wilgy after his cop claim, to getting back on Diiny. Reads like you didn't know where to sit and now have a theory involving them both being scum.

I want to hear YOUR opinion on Diiny.

For the record, I've always been perfectly okay with a Diiny lynch. Wilgy did look more dangerous for a bit, but really, as long as we get a bad guy today there's no rush. Lynching DrWilgy is taking too big a risk atm when we know so little about what he's trying to do.

I think Diiny is scum. I think DrWilgy most likely is but until Diiny is gone, we don't want to lynch him.

edgy as it may be I'm not as certain Diiny is scum

Why are you suspicious of me like you said?

I like motel room adopting an "edgy" read because he's never been afraid to disagree with popular opinion -- it's one of his best town traits. His self-awareness is also appealing. My only question here is why motel room felt the need to announce the edgy read and its edginess.

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in the second 24 hours of today we'll surely get a sober Wilgy and I think that'll be more enlightening than the current drunk, "depressing", self-vote Dr. I still think that cop gambit was towny.

Back in RYM land on pretty sure his first game with infodumping, MP tried a cop gambit which backfired on him but he made the move as town. A new game mechanic, town tries the tricks, imo.

so here, MP, while I think I agree with you, whats different about your gambit and his, because you were part of the reason I feel Wilgy was town but you are distancing from what he's done:

*snip huge quote*

I told you the reader to bookmark the earlier post because I knew this one was coming. I think they combine to evidence a pretty solid town-inclined mindset for motel room. He had this distinct thought in mind: that MP pulled a fake red peek in [maybe] his first open setup with legal infodumping. Let's return to the bookmarked post:

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We're not even 24 hours into Day 1. I don;t think a Diiny lynch was a "given" at a few hours into the game (before Wilgy's claim).

Wilgy, have you played an infodumping-allowed game before?

On Day 1, when confronted with Wilgy's fake red peek maneuver, motel room had the presence of mind to ask him this specific highlighted question: "have you played an infodumping-allowed game before?" This means that in this moment motel room was recalling what MP did in RYM #89 (faked a red peek as a vanilla townie) and applying that memory to Wilgy's move in this game. This looks like a very real effort to get a read on Wilgy based upon real data in motel room's personal Mafia arsenal. I love it.

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Overall, there are a few moments that I'd question but I think he looks good in light of the bookmarked point. I welcome any dissenting perspectives -- I'd really like to know what MP thinks of motel room in light of this. And Diiny, since he also played in RYM #89.

Hmmm ... it is a good look.

[Diiny]

You actually make a very good point here. With my inexperienced and (self-confessed) awful Mafia skills, I do tend to focus on myself. I've done it on other games as well, I know. Epi's played in the same games as me a couple of times, so he's picked up the style of my generally awful play.

What I'm about to explain can prove Epi to be either town or scum, but what you decide it up to you.

You've got to pick up the easy meat with your eyes closed.

(I'm a Floyd fan, what do you expect?)

If Epi is scum, he's trying to rid of the easy meat (AKA me) to make a jump start on us.
If Epi is town, he's trying to rid of the easy meat (AKA me) as he assumes I'm an easy scum target.

Anyway, thanks for the compliment Diiny.

I know it can be hard to focus on things outside yourself and by all means if you're town you should be defending yourself when people vote for you, but you've still gotta find the scum after you save yourself. I need to see more of that, floyd, and I know it's hard (I remember my first game vividly) but you'll learn, and you'll learn by starting to question and interact with the content in the thread that doesn't necessarily concern you. Ask questions even if you're worried they'll make you look like an idiot, I definitely still do. I appreciate that paragraph, though. I had a similar moment... and I'm not going to say what that was until more people react to your paragraph.

Basically I think you're bad, but I've at least got a picture of what a town floyd looks like now. Make that picture more vivid if you're town. Question people. Post. Present evidence and findings. And most importantly, don't be afraid to take a stance. and goddamn tell me why it's suspicious that I voted enrique in self preservation. If you'd never considered what I posted in my rant, you can just admit as much.

If Epi is scum, he's trying to rid of the easy meat (AKA me) to make a jump start on us.
If Epi is town, he's trying to rid of the easy meat (AKA me) as he assumes I'm an easy scum target.

Yes, pushing the easy button is something scum like to do. What about how obviously he's been doing it, though? How does that make you feel? I'll say how I feel about it after you answer, because I have a fear that you've been piggybacking opinions this game which isn't good.

What does the second (epi town) option mean? "He assumes I'm an easy scum target so he's trying to take me out because he's town." Does easy scum target mean someone the scum would try to sell as bad? In this case I have no idea what you mean.

[Diiny]

Linki- I agree FZ, this game is getting pretty awful.

This game is getting worse by the minute

I need to reread people, and I don't have time for it now.

How much do you want to bet that one or both of these posters are scum

Why?

I explain this, but yeah it's insincere and posts like that (oh man this game eh) have a history of netting scum. You don't agree? I also just recently saw FZ's "Wanna make a bet" post in an iso and that gives me the heebie jeebz hard.

[a2thezebra]

You asked me to summarize what I had already said, so I did.

Right, I don't mean to crap on your summary. I'm just giving the only answer I can give, so you can judge accordingly.

I feel you, bad guy

[Diiny]

You put it on yourself, man. I have no idea what you've got against me, but whatever it is, just share it.

Am I not permitted to call you Epi? Give me a reason not to.

My statement refers to he fact that pointed out that Mac gone against his word but you still want me gone.

this is floyd's best post.

I wouldn't have been happy with anything but a similar response thing to Epi's comment about being called Epi, and he questions epi's stance on him as you'd expect. I'd like to see a bit more ferocity, but going on a per-post makes it better. Not that I'm condoning his low post count and that he seems to still be focusing almost entirely on himself. I doubt he'd have questioned epi if he wasn't crusading against him.

Still a scum read.

I don't understand why this is Floyd's best post. Care to talk with me about this?

Makes an argument that makes sense for the first time, reasonable reactions to epi's assault.

[DrWilgy]

So I'm still out of town and don't have time to catch up before EOD. I have suspicions towards Diiny and FZ still. I don't feel comfortable with how close I am to being lynched, Diiny would you be willing to change off me to FZ? I will as well

[a2thezebra]

ugh DrWilgy

[DrWilgy]

ugh DrWilgy

Lol why?

[DrWilgy]

If my logic is flawed in what im doing let me know

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd like more feedback on that motel room ISO. I think I found meaningful evidence that he is town. I made a similar point about bcornett in Talking Heads and nobody seemed to listen. It's nice to remove people from the pool.

I like the Mac was receptive to it despite his prior stated strong suspicions. He seems appropriately willing to re-assess, though his vote hasn't moved.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Diiny would you be willing to change off me to FZ? I will as well

You pretty much did the same thing on Day 1. "If y'all change to Enrique I'll do the same". FZ wants you dead just like Enrique did. What say you?

[DrWilgy]

Also, I don't have alot of time. Got a movie to catch in an hour.

Linki I find them suspish. Them voting me hasn't affected who I vote.

[Marmot]

Reminder to all you fine woodland folks. The day period ends in just under 2 hours. Get your votes in!

[DrWilgy]

[DrWilgy]

I am becoming increasingly concerned... Maybe it has something to do with my current alcohol intake... but regardless.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

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[MacDougall]

I'd like more feedback on that motel room ISO. I think I found meaningful evidence that he is town. I made a similar point about bcornett in Talking Heads and nobody seemed to listen. It's nice to remove people from the pool.

I like the Mac was receptive to it despite his prior stated strong suspicions. He seems appropriately willing to re-assess, though his vote hasn't moved.

Gotta have somewhere to move it to Jimmy. There is time.

[Epignosis]

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3J defends you to the degree of making me look bad.

You call me Epi (have we ever played together to any extent?).

Now a question for you: What is this:

2. Epi has done his only clever motion this game, but still wants me exterminated.

What does that mean?

You put it on yourself, man. I have no idea what you've got against me, but whatever it is, just share it.

Am I not permitted to call you Epi? Give me a reason not to.

My statement refers to he fact that pointed out that Mac gone against his word but you still want me gone.

I'm no longer concerned about the dramatic language at least when he's talking to/about Epignosis. The "Epi" thing is a reasonable inspiration for dramatic language.

I'm still chuckling that many are taking the "Epi" part of my post so seriously.

[DrWilgy]

My phone will die soon. Who do I move my vote to to not die as well?

[MacDougall]

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3J defends you to the degree of making me look bad.

You call me Epi (have we ever played together to any extent?).

Now a question for you: What is this:

2. Epi has done his only clever motion this game, but still wants me exterminated.

What does that mean?

You put it on yourself, man. I have no idea what you've got against me, but whatever it is, just share it.

Am I not permitted to call you Epi? Give me a reason not to.

My statement refers to he fact that pointed out that Mac gone against his word but you still want me gone.

I'm no longer concerned about the dramatic language at least when he's talking to/about Epignosis. The "Epi" thing is a reasonable inspiration for dramatic language.

I'm still chuckling that many are taking the "Epi" part of my post so seriously.

Dude you are doing that thing where you a rude to a person for no reason then say "heh only joking lighten up". Don't be that guy. That guy sucks.

[MacDougall]

I say we lynch DFaraday.

[DrWilgy]

Mac, bro, plz save me. I'm asking for a bro favor, I wouldn't propose that unless it was to save a civ, me. I swear.

Linki - Will that actually happen?

[MacDougall]

Mac, bro, plz save me. I'm asking for a bro favor, I wouldn't propose that unless it was to save a civ, me. I swear.

Linki - Will that actually happen?

Wilgy I don't think you are bad, but I'm not going to just vote a random to save you. I will vote for a person I think is bad. If you vote Faraday I will vote Faraday and he will be on 3 votes. But I also don't want you to self preservation vote yet. I want you to scum hunt and prove that my read is founded.

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

3J defends you to the degree of making me look bad.

You call me Epi (have we ever played together to any extent?).

Now a question for you: What is this:

2. Epi has done his only clever motion this game, but still wants me exterminated.

What does that mean?

You put it on yourself, man. I have no idea what you've got against me, but whatever it is, just share it.

Am I not permitted to call you Epi? Give me a reason not to.

My statement refers to he fact that pointed out that Mac gone against his word but you still want me gone.

I'm no longer concerned about the dramatic language at least when he's talking to/about Epignosis. The "Epi" thing is a reasonable inspiration for dramatic language.

I'm still chuckling that many are taking the "Epi" part of my post so seriously.

Dude you are doing that thing where you a rude to a person for no reason then say "heh only joking lighten up". Don't be that guy. That guy sucks.

I don't agree that I was being rude. I don't use sarcastic orange because if you have to explain the joke, it isn't funny. Moreover, I find value in how seriously some people took what I said. Getting reactions over something that (to me) was obvious nonsense, I think, provides something to look back upon, no?

[MacDougall]

Alright, I've more or less caught up. Wilgy is looking pretty bad to me, as I can't see a good civ reason for his behavior. Epi is coming across as civ, and I think his JJJ case is sounding plausible, but tomorrow I'll read over JJJ to get a better handle on it.

Still waiting for the follow up on this.

Metalmarsh where are you currently at with mod killing DFaraday for not voting/posting? Can you find a replacement? This game is too short for him to be not contributing. 3 posts in this game so far is not good enough. I checked and he has not been online since at all, so he's clearly just got life in the way. Can you find a replacement quickly? Anyone observing want in?

[DrWilgy]

My FZ suspicion hasn't faded. Recent events have me suspish of Diiny, FZ > JJJ > Dfaraday, Epi > everyone else

[JaggedJimmyJay]

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3J defends you to the degree of making me look bad.

You call me Epi (have we ever played together to any extent?).

Now a question for you: What is this:

2. Epi has done his only clever motion this game, but still wants me exterminated.

What does that mean?

You put it on yourself, man. I have no idea what you've got against me, but whatever it is, just share it.

Am I not permitted to call you Epi? Give me a reason not to.

My statement refers to he fact that pointed out that Mac gone against his word but you still want me gone.

I'm no longer concerned about the dramatic language at least when he's talking to/about Epignosis. The "Epi" thing is a reasonable inspiration for dramatic language.

I'm still chuckling that many are taking the "Epi" part of my post so seriously.

I don't care about it, but I can understand why the person being told that -- particularly Floyd -- would respond the way he did. How the hell should he know whether you're being serious.

[Tangrowth]

/ wild sock appears!

[Tangrowth]

ISO me and Diiny MP, and I dare you to still have Diiny higher than me on your list when you're finished.

I'd love to this, time permitting. Let me catch up and engage in current conversation first; if I can get to it, you got it.

[MacDougall]

Spoiler: show

3J defends you to the degree of making me look bad.

You call me Epi (have we ever played together to any extent?).

Now a question for you: What is this:

2. Epi has done his only clever motion this game, but still wants me exterminated.

What does that mean?

You put it on yourself, man. I have no idea what you've got against me, but whatever it is, just share it.

Am I not permitted to call you Epi? Give me a reason not to.

My statement refers to he fact that pointed out that Mac gone against his word but you still want me gone.

I'm no longer concerned about the dramatic language at least when he's talking to/about Epignosis. The "Epi" thing is a reasonable inspiration for dramatic language.

I'm still chuckling that many are taking the "Epi" part of my post so seriously.

Dude you are doing that thing where you a rude to a person for no reason then say "heh only joking lighten up". Don't be that guy. That guy sucks.

I don't agree that I was being rude. I don't use sarcastic orange because if you have to explain the joke, it isn't funny. Moreover, I find value in how seriously some people took what I said. Getting reactions over something that (to me) was obvious nonsense, I think, provides something to look back upon, no?

You sound like an unrepentant bully. Even if it was an attempt at humour it was mean spirited. You don't have to add to it with arrogance. It was only obvious nonsense to you. I think it's a good look for those who called you out on it and tbh it's a bad look for you.

I can see where Jimmy is getting the idea that you and Floyd are teammies. You came straight out of the gate with what can be construed as strong distancing, and your inability to understand that it appeared hurtful is possibly coming from the fact that you know full well that he isn't upset by it because you've talked in BTSC. You've also managed to get Floyd top town read by a range of players by putting him in the position of the victim.

[Tangrowth]

That's posturing. If Floyd goes down as bad, you would have already called dibs on the theory that I was throwing a teammate under the bus.

Perhaps a better term than "strong desire to defend Floyd" would be "strong inclination to town read Floyd". Yes, I did defend Floyd to some degree because I didn't think his attacker could justify his attacks. I never called him a town read though. I never gave any actual read of him, because on Day 1 having a read on Floyd would have been bullshit.

As for dibs, you're damned right. You said the same thing about me. If he's bad, see you then.

If you think this, then what do you make of Diiny's read of Floyd on Day 1? I remember him expressing a mafia Floyd read before EoD D1.

[Tangrowth]

Me too. Why can't you talk about the potential baddie influence on lynching the cop AND be interested in floyd?

Why "can't?"

Is there some restriction on me?

I'll talk about what I like. I have nothing to say about it.

I want to lynch FLOYD.

What is wrong with you? Seriously, tell me.

Anyway, another needless "last minute lynch switch" (it's got another name, I know, I can't be bothered remembering it). Diiny

Linki- I agree FZ, this game is getting pretty awful.

Floyd, I don't recall any thoughts you've made on Diiny to explain your vote here or previously. Care to provide some insight?

Voted Enrique, inconsistent chat (my reason for voting on day one is an example).

Floyd, sorry, I'm confused. What do you mean by inconsistent chat?

[MacDougall]

Tinfoil hat on...

Jimmy, Epi and Floyd are the bad guys.

[Tangrowth]

Tinfoil hat on...

Jimmy, Epi and Floyd are the bad guys.

Elaborate.

[MacDougall]

Tinfoil hat on...

Jimmy, Epi and Floyd are the bad guys.

Elaborate.

What would you expect the in game play to look like with this team wearing the black hats?

I would expect it to look exactly like it is.

[Marmot]

Metalmarsh where are you currently at with mod killing DFaraday for not voting/posting? Can you find a replacement? This game is too short for him to be not contributing. 3 posts in this game so far is not good enough. I checked and he has not been online since at all, so he's clearly just got life in the way. Can you find a replacement quickly? Anyone observing want in?

You may or may not have a new player in his place come Day 3.

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

3J defends you to the degree of making me look bad.

You call me Epi (have we ever played together to any extent?).

Now a question for you: What is this:

2. Epi has done his only clever motion this game, but still wants me exterminated.

What does that mean?

You put it on yourself, man. I have no idea what you've got against me, but whatever it is, just share it.

Am I not permitted to call you Epi? Give me a reason not to.

My statement refers to he fact that pointed out that Mac gone against his word but you still want me gone.

I'm no longer concerned about the dramatic language at least when he's talking to/about Epignosis. The "Epi" thing is a reasonable inspiration for dramatic language.

I'm still chuckling that many are taking the "Epi" part of my post so seriously.

Dude you are doing that thing where you a rude to a person for no reason then say "heh only joking lighten up". Don't be that guy. That guy sucks.

I don't agree that I was being rude. I don't use sarcastic orange because if you have to explain the joke, it isn't funny. Moreover, I find value in how seriously some people took what I said. Getting reactions over something that (to me) was obvious nonsense, I think, provides something to look back upon, no?

You sound like an unrepentant bully. Even if it was an attempt at humour it was mean spirited. You don't have to add to it with arrogance. It was only obvious nonsense to you. I think it's a good look for those who called you out on it and tbh it's a bad look for you.

I can see where Jimmy is getting the idea that you and Floyd are teammies. You came straight out of the gate with what can be construed as strong distancing, and your inability to understand that it appeared hurtful is possibly coming from the fact that you know full well that he isn't upset by it because you've talked in BTSC. You've also managed to get Floyd top town read by a range of players by putting him in the position of the victim.

So motel room ain't working out for you, so you've got to go to "unrepentant bully" angle, eh, old man?

I told Floyd he was bad because he called me Epi. Oh God, I'm such a bully.

And *I* "managed to get Floyd top town read by a range of players by putting him in the position of the victim." I must be amazing. I bet you wish I was on your team.

[MacDougall]

Epignosis and Jimmy are very good players and Floyd is very inexperienced. What better way to get the heat off Floyd than by attacking him with unfounded suspicion. Nobody is going to just railroad the poor kid on day 1 or day 2 because Epi comes at him caseless and baseless. And if you don't make a play like that to help Floyd he naturally attracts suspicion like nobody's business. Epignosis has effectively completely achieved the opposite of his stated initial objective, he has made Floyd a town read for most. Do you think that is by accident?

Jimmy took the opposite approach. He's distancing by killing with kindness and at the same time distancing from Epignosis by going hard at him for the weak Floyd read. If Floyd manages to get killed then Jimmy can play the "well if I was a teammate I would never have defended him that much card" and if Epi gets killed Jimmy looks million buck for being his main adversary.

Epignosis and Jimmy's shit slinging match has been exhaustive, and as Zebra pointed out much of what they have pointed out about one another has been inconsistent play, not necessarily alignment indicative stuff. Jimmy has dialed back his read to Epi as wrong, not manipulative at one point and yet still has his vote on him.

They have played exactly as I would expect them to if they were a scum team.